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| openstackgerrit | Scott Hussey proposed openstack/airship-drydock master: [WIP] Support multiple rack controllers https://review.openstack.org/607086 | 01:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Felipe Monteiro proposed openstack/airship-pegleg master: fix: Support cloning URLs that end in .git https://review.openstack.org/605298 | 02:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Felipe Monteiro proposed openstack/airship-pegleg master: tests: Add more Pegleg CLI site tests https://review.openstack.org/605510 | 02:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Kaspars Skels proposed openstack/airship-treasuremap master: Additions to airship-seaworthy pipeline https://review.openstack.org/603863 | 03:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Kaspars Skels proposed openstack/airship-treasuremap master: Additions to airship-seaworthy pipeline https://review.openstack.org/603863 | 03:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mark Burnett proposed openstack/airship-promenade master: [WIP] Update to calico v3 https://review.openstack.org/607188 | 13:37 |
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| sthussey | here | 14:01 |
| mark-burnett | #startmeeting airship | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 2 14:01:10 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mark-burnett. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: airship)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'airship' | 14:01 |
| mark-burnett | Well played scott | 14:01 |
| aaronsheffield | o/ | 14:01 |
| seaneagan | o/ | 14:01 |
| mark-burnett | So we have a light agenda again this week, please feel free to add to it: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/airship-meeting-2018-10-02 | 14:01 |
| dwalt | o/ | 14:01 |
| portdirect | o/ | 14:02 |
| srwilkers | o/ | 14:03 |
| mark-burnett | I'm trying to help someone get in irc to talk about the wiki, sorry :) | 14:04 |
| alanmeadows | o/ | 14:04 |
| mark-burnett | Should we talk about armada retries first? | 14:05 |
| mark-burnett | #topic Armada Retries | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Armada Retries (Meeting topic: airship)" | 14:05 | |
| mark-burnett | Can whoever added that give an overview of the issue? | 14:05 |
| portdirect | sure | 14:07 |
| portdirect | when running site update, or initial deploy - armada runs helm test, if this fails then armada will remove and redeploy the chart | 14:08 |
| mark-burnett | Are you sure? | 14:09 |
| mark-burnett | I don't think I've seen that | 14:09 |
| portdirect | though sometimes we end up in a situation were armada moves on, as it sees the chart has been deployed on the 2nd run | 14:09 |
| seaneagan | if the install/upgrade times out, then helm marks the release as FAILED | 14:09 |
| alanmeadows | I believe there is only a removal when there is a helm (tiller) timeout - not on test fail | 14:10 |
| seaneagan | in that case on a retry armada will remove and reinstall the release | 14:10 |
| portdirect | ah ok | 14:10 |
| seaneagan | but shouldn't on a helm test failure | 14:10 |
| mark-burnett | Yeah, I have definitely seen both install/upgrade failures resulting in removal and also armada "moving on" the 2nd run | 14:10 |
| portdirect | though the end result is the same - effectivly helm test is being bypassed | 14:10 |
| seaneagan | here's one idea for how armada can deal better with the retry: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2003897 | 14:11 |
| mark-burnett | So I guess one obvious factor here is that we have historically relied on retries from prom & sy | 14:11 |
| mark-burnett | Yeah, that's a nice idea seaneagan | 14:11 |
| alanmeadows | Sean should you also paste a link to your statefulness spec? Perhaps its the link above | 14:11 |
| portdirect | seaneagan: whats proposed above would improve things in one respect, though i worry that run time would increase a lot? | 14:12 |
| mark-burnett | What do you do if something has installed correctly and passed, but then later fails? | 14:12 |
| seaneagan | means unnecessary test runs sometimes though, yes | 14:12 |
| sthussey | I think rerunning the tests should be a solid default behavior, modified by supplied enabling and blacklisting/whitelisting | 14:12 |
| mark-burnett | I mean the test.* section could be updated to include controlling configuration for when the test should be run | 14:13 |
| sthussey | Right. If you are in a case where confirming software health is not needed, you can disable testing or whitelist only what you care about | 14:13 |
| mark-burnett | So if there are charts with very slow tests then they can be controlled differently | 14:13 |
| sthussey | I think in most site update scenarios, positive test results across all deployed charts would be a Good Thing(tm) | 14:14 |
| seaneagan | if armada had memory that a particular chart failed previously, then it could only rerun tests/waits in that case | 14:14 |
| alanmeadows | Im not sure i fully understand though—this seems like duct tape around not having state (e.g record of it previously passing) | 14:14 |
| sthussey | I'd disagree since tests are just point-in-time | 14:15 |
| alanmeadows | Rerunning every test every time while potentially something someone would want sounds more like an edge case desire—state tracking seems like the right economical solution (in the currency of run time) | 14:15 |
| sthussey | So rerunning them regularly seems like a good operational goal | 14:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Kaspars Skels proposed openstack/airship-treasuremap master: Uplift latest charts/images except ceph https://review.openstack.org/605331 | 14:16 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 14:16 |
| portdirect | i think if we were to re-run the regularly - we would also need to improve how the logs from the tests are handled | 14:16 |
| alanmeadows | That just seems like a mode armada should offer to your point scott - not as a solution to this problem though | 14:16 |
| portdirect | ideally storing them somewhere, that would allow us to retreive them | 14:16 |
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| sthussey | Though a second avenue of maintaining state of previously failed release tests is fine as well | 14:17 |
| sthussey | Isn't that LMA? | 14:17 |
| portdirect | rather than relying on the pod deletetion as part of an upgrade hook currently | 14:17 |
| portdirect | it in in some cases, but that relys on lma being there, and operational | 14:17 |
| portdirect | which wont be the case for many users | 14:17 |
| srwilkers | yep - really depends when LMA's deployed, and cases where the LMA components are the releases with failed tests | 14:18 |
| seaneagan | this would slightly improve matters for deleting test pods at the right time: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2003896 | 14:19 |
| seaneagan | though agree with the direction of using something like LMA | 14:19 |
| sthussey | Seems that is the price you pay with a self-hosted monitoring solution. You have that issue across all logs prior to LMA being deployed. I'm not sure how re-running tests changes this issue significantly. | 14:19 |
| sthussey | But to the original topic, it seems the solutions are test-result persistence or rerunning tests with every 'apply' | 14:22 |
| sthussey | Does it make sense for Sean to take this issue and these possible solutions offline to write a spec that references other outstanding specs? | 14:22 |
| seaneagan | yes, i did make one for state management previously | 14:23 |
| seaneagan | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/586582/ | 14:24 |
| seaneagan | so could be an update to that one or a new one | 14:24 |
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| mark-burnett | Ok, maybe we can review this offline. | 14:25 |
| mark-burnett | #topic New Wiki | 14:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "New Wiki (Meeting topic: airship)" | 14:25 | |
| mark-burnett | So we have a new wiki: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Airship | 14:25 |
| mark-burnett | Unfortunately, the person who has put the most work into this is having issues getting into irc today | 14:26 |
| mark-burnett | I know he wanted to share some points about it, but perhaps it will have to wait until next time | 14:26 |
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| mark-burnett | Anyway, please take a look and contribute! | 14:27 |
| portdirect | looks great | 14:27 |
| b-str | This looks nice - a great add. | 14:27 |
| mark-burnett | Yeah, it really is a great start :) | 14:28 |
| mark-burnett | Ok, looks like there is one more item | 14:28 |
| mark-burnett | #topic Marketing 1 Pager | 14:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Marketing 1 Pager (Meeting topic: airship)" | 14:28 | |
| portdirect | i may have to borrow Lesley to pimp the osh one | 14:28 |
| mark-burnett | :) | 14:29 |
| mark-burnett | @hogepodge did you want to comment on the 1 pager? | 14:29 |
| hogepodge | yes | 14:29 |
| hogepodge | We have just two requests. | 14:29 |
| hogepodge | The first is clarifying some of the language about the underlying k8s/openstack layer and how that works with the openstack and other application delivery layer | 14:30 |
| hogepodge | There are comments in the working doc identifying the two confusing sections. | 14:30 |
| mark-burnett | Can you link the working doc again please? | 14:31 |
| hogepodge | The second is that we'd like to have a small sidebar that talks about AT&T usage and the origin of the project, but that's a bit more work and we understand that would require AT&T approval. | 14:31 |
| hogepodge | link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BHFZaKDCuoXKjbsRcAOtb2RFuaOThemXCoFMVxXkAMU/edit?usp=sharing Airship One Pager | 14:31 |
| hogepodge | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BHFZaKDCuoXKjbsRcAOtb2RFuaOThemXCoFMVxXkAMU/edit?usp=sharing Airship One Pager | 14:31 |
| mark-burnett | Thanks :) | 14:32 |
| hogepodge | The first is critical, the second is a nice to have if we can get it. | 14:32 |
| hogepodge | thank you! | 14:32 |
| mark-burnett | Thank you, this is really shaping up :) | 14:33 |
| hogepodge | Yeah, everything is basically there. We're producing one for StarlingX also, which is what gives a bit of breathing room to tidy up the final content. | 14:33 |
| hogepodge | Thanks to everyone who's contributed to it. | 14:33 |
| hogepodge | Questions? | 14:34 |
| mark-burnett | Ok, let's close out I guess | 14:35 |
| mark-burnett | #topic Roundtable | 14:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roundtable (Meeting topic: airship)" | 14:36 | |
| openstackgerrit | Andrey Volkov proposed openstack/airship-in-a-bottle master: Bump Shipyard version https://review.openstack.org/607203 | 14:36 |
| alanmeadows | Is there an example of the use case sidebar for AT&T usage - e.g. like the kata 1 pager | 14:36 |
| mark-burnett | Any other last minute topics? | 14:36 |
| mark-burnett | Ah | 14:36 |
| portdirect | alanmeadows: the one mattmceuen did for the containers handout was pretty good | 14:37 |
| portdirect | back then is made reference to ucp, but i think coul form the basis quite well? | 14:37 |
| alanmeadows | sure, material isn't a problem I just meant an example of what the foundation is looking for for this -- for this 1 pager there was a skeleton to clone | 14:38 |
| alanmeadows | we can take this one offline, don't need to hold everyone up | 14:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Andrey Volkov proposed openstack/airship-treasuremap master: Bump Shipyard version https://review.openstack.org/607212 | 14:41 |
| mark-burnett | Sorry for cutting off the conversation. Anything else? | 14:43 |
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| mark-burnett | Ok, thanks for coming | 14:48 |
| mark-burnett | #endmeeting | 14:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "airshipit.org || General Review Dashboard: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:%255Eopenstack/airship.*+status:open,n,z" | 14:48 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 2 14:48:47 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/airship/2018/airship.2018-10-02-14.01.html | 14:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/airship/2018/airship.2018-10-02-14.01.txt | 14:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/airship/2018/airship.2018-10-02-14.01.log.html | 14:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andrey Volkov proposed openstack/airship-divingbell master: Improve test stability https://review.openstack.org/607309 | 16:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Kaspars Skels proposed openstack/airship-treasuremap master: Docs for Airship Seaworthy https://review.openstack.org/607324 | 17:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/airship-pegleg master: docs: Include venv workflow guide under "Developer Workflow" https://review.openstack.org/603000 | 17:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Kaspars Skels proposed openstack/airship-treasuremap master: Uplift latest charts/images except ceph https://review.openstack.org/605331 | 17:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Kaspars Skels proposed openstack/airship-treasuremap master: Calico uplift to v3 https://review.openstack.org/606872 | 17:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/airship-divingbell master: Improve gate NIC HW compatibility/portability https://review.openstack.org/604231 | 18:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andrey Volkov proposed openstack/airship-divingbell master: Add new apparmor daemonset https://review.openstack.org/599025 | 18:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Kaspars Skels proposed openstack/airship-treasuremap master: Docs for Airship Seaworthy https://review.openstack.org/607324 | 18:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Bryan Strassner proposed openstack/airship-shipyard master: [WIP] Add notes common code for Shipyard https://review.openstack.org/607063 | 18:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean Eagan proposed openstack/airship-armada master: Parallelize unsequenced chart group deployments https://review.openstack.org/597180 | 18:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Felipe Monteiro proposed openstack/airship-pegleg master: fix: Enable Pegleg to support manifest repos like AIAB https://review.openstack.org/607350 | 19:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Felipe Monteiro proposed openstack/airship-pegleg master: fix: Enable Pegleg to support manifest repos like AIAB https://review.openstack.org/607350 | 19:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Kaspars Skels proposed openstack/airship-treasuremap master: Docs for Airship Seaworthy https://review.openstack.org/607324 | 19:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/airship-promenade master: Make haproxy-anchor pod critical https://review.openstack.org/607060 | 19:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/airship-shipyard master: plugins: Add get_releases to Armada base operator https://review.openstack.org/603235 | 19:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Scott Hussey proposed openstack/airship-drydock master: [WIP] Support multiple rack controllers https://review.openstack.org/607086 | 20:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/airship-pegleg master: trivial: Remove errant left-over file https://review.openstack.org/605831 | 20:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/airship-promenade master: Uplift Deckhand version https://review.openstack.org/604459 | 20:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Felipe Monteiro proposed openstack/airship-pegleg master: Implement global lint and lint by site logic https://review.openstack.org/604871 | 20:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/airship-drydock master: Catchup YAPF formatting https://review.openstack.org/605431 | 20:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/airship-treasuremap master: Uplift latest charts/images except ceph https://review.openstack.org/605331 | 21:03 |
| openstackgerrit | PRATEEK REDDY DODDA proposed openstack/airship-deckhand master: Have written Unit case to avoid dup document https://review.openstack.org/606190 | 21:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/airship-treasuremap master: Docs for Airship Seaworthy https://review.openstack.org/607324 | 22:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Felipe Monteiro proposed openstack/airship-pegleg master: Switch to openstack-python35-jobs template for py35 CI gate https://review.openstack.org/595913 | 22:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Chris Wedgwood proposed openstack/airship-treasuremap master: Calico uplift to v3 https://review.openstack.org/606872 | 23:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Chris Wedgwood proposed openstack/airship-treasuremap master: Calico uplift to v3 https://review.openstack.org/606872 | 23:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Felipe Monteiro proposed openstack/airship-pegleg master: trivial: Fix README documentation badge https://review.openstack.org/607397 | 23:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Felipe Monteiro proposed openstack/airship-deckhand master: trivial: Fix README documentation badge https://review.openstack.org/607398 | 23:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Felipe Monteiro proposed openstack/airship-armada master: trivial: Fix README documentation badge https://review.openstack.org/607399 | 23:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Felipe Monteiro proposed openstack/airship-in-a-bottle master: Airship Ubuntu/MAAS security guide https://review.openstack.org/589318 | 23:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Felipe Monteiro proposed openstack/airship-deckhand master: optimization: Skip post-validation for rendered document cache hit https://review.openstack.org/596622 | 23:58 |
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