Friday, 2014-03-21

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zanebwoohoo, summit talk was accepted :)00:31
stevebakermine too, and I'm on a panel about configuration :O00:32
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lipinskianyone know how I could join two lists in a HOT template?00:53
lipinskie.g., x: [ "abc", "xyz" ] y: ["123", "456"]  myparam: x + y00:54
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asalkeldstevebaker, time to bring out your cat/dog pics01:11
stevebakerI am *so* using this one http://i.imgur.com/jvyf5WC.jpg01:14
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stevebakermuch appropriate01:14
asalkeldhar01:15
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asalkeldis there any reason trusts were not added as keystone resources?01:16
stevebakerprobably just needs a valid use case01:16
asalkeldthe current use case01:16
asalkeldsignals01:16
stevebakerthat all happens under the hood now, some resource create their own users for signing or credentials01:17
asalkeldso a policy needs trust01:17
asalkeldjust saying "under the hood" == evil01:17
asalkeldkeep heat simple is better01:18
stevebakerone the one hand yes, but on the other hand that just pushes the complexity to the template author. Needing 4+ resources just for a waitcondition was not very nice01:19
asalkeldwell, you could then wrap those 4 into one provider01:19
asalkeldbut you still have the building blocks01:19
asalkeldfor other things01:19
* asalkeld goes back to his corner and tries to write some code01:21
stevebakerin any case, that ship has well and truely sailed01:21
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openstackgerritLiang Chen proposed a change to openstack/heat: Replace str with six.text_type  https://review.openstack.org/8195601:25
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openstackgerritLiang Chen proposed a change to openstack/heat: Tidy up urlfetch.py exception handling  https://review.openstack.org/8196001:39
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openstackgerritSteve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Retry subnet delete until no ports are associated  https://review.openstack.org/8197603:42
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openstackgerritJenkins proposed a change to openstack/heat: Imported Translations from Transifex  https://review.openstack.org/7256606:15
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SpamapSstevebaker: hmm.. errors in validating softwareconfigs may need some work..06:37
SpamapSstevebaker: ERROR: Property error : notComputeConfig: config Items to join must be strings06:37
SpamapSstevebaker: not necessarily software-config problem.. Heat in general I think06:37
SpamapSwe need to be able to tell people on what line of the template their error is.06:37
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/python-heatclient: Add new tests to cover most of the requests port  https://review.openstack.org/7538306:53
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/heat: Never specify project_name in keystone v3 auth  https://review.openstack.org/8086707:03
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openstackgerritLee Li proposed a change to openstack/python-heatclient: Using common methods from oslo cliutils  https://review.openstack.org/6712007:12
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SpamapSstevebaker: here?07:18
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SpamapSstevebaker: anyway, when you're around.. I think I'm seeing where we can't pass inputs in structuredconfig to intrinsic functions. If so.. seems like we may need to figure that out as it is quite a surprise. :-P07:24
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/heat: Catch NotFound exception on user delete_key  https://review.openstack.org/8011607:32
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openstackgerritJenkins proposed a change to openstack/heat: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/7668907:44
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openstackgerritJenkins proposed a change to openstack/python-heatclient: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/7669807:51
openstackgerritThomas Spatzier proposed a change to openstack/heat: Fix heading markup in hot_spec.rst  https://review.openstack.org/8201207:56
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/python-heatclient: Pass bytes to NamedTemporaryFile.write()  https://review.openstack.org/7773808:16
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openstackgerrithuangtianhua proposed a change to openstack/heat: Make sure NetworkInterfaces and SubnetId updatable  https://review.openstack.org/8020909:20
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openstackgerritlvdongbing proposed a change to openstack/heat: Support Boolean type parameter in template  https://review.openstack.org/8204209:31
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openstackgerritPavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add handle_update to VolumeAttachment  https://review.openstack.org/7268110:29
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jstrachanstevebaker howdy! I've been experimenting running heat stand alone, just on my mac; managed to get things built & heat-engine running; as a temp hack I disabled security in heat-api (figuring out how to use unix user/pwd would be better); what should the heat-url be when using the heat cli?12:27
jstrachanstevebaker apologies for the total newbie question ;)12:27
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jstrachanI tried using http://localhost:8004 / http://localhost:8004/v1/ etc; I guess there's maybe more needs doing first though?12:29
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dimsjstrachan, can you run the heat command line? throw in a --debug and you will see the entire curl command. https://github.com/openstack/python-heatclient/blob/master/heatclient/shell.py#L5712:49
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jstrachandims thx!12:53
dimsjstrachan, not sure if you remember me from ASF :) howdy!12:54
jstrachandims hey ;) yes I remember :)12:54
dimsnice to see you again :)12:54
jstrachanyou too ;) small world eh!12:55
dims:)12:55
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/heat: Stack identity reads tenant from stack not context  https://review.openstack.org/8139014:54
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therveshardy, I've having a weird issue with tenants and neutron15:02
thervehttp://paste.openstack.org/ from the neutron logs15:03
therveIt tries to post to /None15:03
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therveHum actually it should use conf parameters15:05
therveArf out of date devstack15:08
therveSorry for the noise15:08
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lipinskiIs Icehouse version of Heat compatible with Havanna Openstack (e.g., keystone, nova, etc.)?16:41
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openstackgerritJason Dunsmore proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add a native mappings section to HOT  https://review.openstack.org/8191816:44
openstackgerritJenkins proposed a change to openstack/heat: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/7668916:44
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sdakelipinski Icehouse version of heat requires Keystone v316:50
sdakelipinski so I would say incompatible16:50
sdakeif it weren't for that, it would probably be mostly compatible16:50
sdakethere is a keystone v2 auth plugin that rackspace uses on their public cloud16:50
sdakeyou might give that a try16:51
sdake(they use the v2 auth plugin with icehouse heat)16:51
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SpamapSstevebaker: man.. the built-in os-collect-config bits .. _so_ good.16:51
openstackgerritJenkins proposed a change to openstack/python-heatclient: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/7669816:51
SpamapSsdake: havana has keystone v316:51
SpamapSsdake: otherwise we could not make such a requirement16:51
SpamapSsdake: IIRC bugs have been pushed back into the stable release branch16:52
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SpamapSstevebaker: so, when you're around (I know it is Saturday and you might not be here today :) I want to chat about making changes to os-collect-config to have it automatically explode deployments into multiple json files on disk. :)16:56
sdakespamaps oh didn't know that :)16:57
sdakeSpamapS as I was explaining it to lipinski it caused a bit of cognitive dissonance but I went with it :)16:57
SpamapS:)16:58
SpamapSsdake: well this is the first release where there is even an attempt to make in-place upgrading work16:58
SpamapSsdake: we should definitely get ourselves into grenade testing16:58
sdakeagree16:58
sdakeI'd like to see coverage of tempest first16:59
sdakebut I guess they don't have to be serial16:59
lipinskiWhe is support for get_param: [] supported?  I'm running 2014.1 version of heat and it's still choking on get_param: being passed a list17:02
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SpamapSsdake: right, we could probably redirect 2 devs into those things separately, and get a marked improvement in quality.17:03
lipinskiI noticed on github, there is heat / heat / engine / hot / functions.py.  My site-packages for heat/engine does not even contain a hot directory.17:03
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SpamapSlipinski: 2014.1 isn't a thing yet17:04
sdakeSpamapS if only there were devs to redirect :)17:04
SpamapSsdake: no kidding.. I can barely keep up with my own templates.. :-P17:04
SpamapSI've landed like 100 lines of code in Heat this whole cycle. :-/17:04
sdakeya i'm pretty much in the same boat SpamapS17:05
sdakealthough I'm not writing as much code these days because of my role change17:05
SpamapSWould really have liked to have gotten update failure recovery in. :-P17:05
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lipinskiSpamapS: oh, ok.  We have a 2014.1-named RPM from fedora.17:06
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SpamapSlipinski: pre-release then.17:12
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SpamapSlipinski: and likely an old one17:12
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lipinskiSpamapS: unfortunately I don't "get" the software.  We have licensing issues about just downloading stuff form the "web", etc.  and have to get it from certain sources.17:13
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SpamapSlipinski: I'm sorry that you work for (apologies for the strong term) ignorant overlords. :-/17:15
lipinskiSpamapS: agreed 100%.17:16
lipinskiJust telling my boss now that I'm getting the stuff from github.  Too painful to work on stuff older than what's documented.17:17
SpamapSlipinski: you don't have to get it from "github" btw17:18
sdake_spamaps did you get security email17:18
SpamapSlipinski: the official upstream source is https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/heat17:18
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SpamapSsdake_: aye.. 3rd in the queue17:18
sdake_cool17:18
sdake_my email box is at 99% so my mail is sometimes not going through17:19
sdake_need to rm -rf jenkins17:19
lipinskiSpamapS: true.  I should have stated that I will be getting it directly rather than via out RPM channel.17:19
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lipinskiSpamapS: thanks for all the help, BTW17:19
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wirehead_Geez.  Gotta keep a lid on all of these name changes.17:28
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lipinskiHow to troubleshoot install.sh problems?  Trying to install heat from github and install.sh hangs at 'Installing AWS_RDS_DBInstance.yaml'17:56
sdake_lipinski why not use distro packging?17:57
sdake_rdo has a well thought out all-in-one installer called packstack17:57
sdake_if you prefer ubuntu they may have some kind of installer as well17:58
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sdake_lipinksi you will struggle alot trying to install openstack from source :)17:58
lipinskisdake_: because we have requirements to have a separate Heat appliance.  This appliance will interface with different stacks.17:58
lipinskiI'm not installing openstack from source.  Just heat (client/angine/api)17:58
sdake_for rdo there are icehouse milestone releases avialable17:59
sdake_not sure if ubuntu makes icehosue packaging available17:59
lipinskiThis is RedHat.17:59
sdake_rdo is made for rhel, fedora, centos, sceintific linux17:59
lipinskiThe latest RPMs we have available is openstack-heat-engine-2014.1-0.5.b2.el6.noarch.rpm17:59
larskslipinski: I'm running heat from git, but I just install via "python setup.py install".18:00
lipinskiThis is rather old when looking at the source.  i.e., get_param does not support lists, etc.18:00
lipinskilarsks: ok - I'll try that.18:00
larskslipinski: Note that I started with a heat install from packages, which took care of most of the prerequisites, then removed the package and installed heat from source.18:02
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lipinskilarsks: I had 2014.1 RPM installed fine.  Erased those and tried the install.18:06
lipinskiinstal.sh finally failed with: Could not find suitable distribution for Requirement.parse('pbr')18:07
sdakelipinski you need to install the requirements.txt file18:07
lipinskipython setup.py install is doing nothing.  Waiting to see what happens18:07
sdakeI think the syntax is pip install -r FILE.txt18:07
larskssdake: running setup.py should install all the requirements.18:08
larskslet me take a look at setup.py...18:08
lipinskidoes setup.py require pip?18:08
lipinskiI set the http_proxy env var as well - in case it is downloading something...18:08
larsksNope.  But actually, heat setup.py does require pbr to run in the first place, I think.  So "yum install python-pbr".18:09
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larsks(Or, you know, "pip install pbr" if you don't have a preference for yum vs. python packaging)18:09
openstackgerritWilliam C. Arnold proposed a change to openstack/heat-templates: Remove tag to allow default resolved group id  https://review.openstack.org/8215818:11
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lipinskilarsks: thanks - will work on that.  Need to get yum installed first.  These are bare-bones installs.18:12
lipinskithey want a heat appliance that has minimum software possible.18:12
lipinskiah ha - found that setup.py was trying to download some stuff via https.  I only had http_proxy set.18:15
lipinskiwas able to get pip installed and now setup.py is off and running18:15
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thervezaneb, Thanks for the great emails in that Murano thread18:36
randallburttherve, zaneb: seconded.18:37
therveNote that autoscaling already works with several load balancer18:37
sdakezaneb lol at swf18:37
zanebthanks y'all :)18:38
zanebtherve: that's true, but iiuc it's currently limited to load balancer implemented as native plugins?18:38
sdakezaneb definately has some flair :)18:38
zanebheh, is anybody reading this Marconi thread on legal-discuss?18:39
thervezaneb, With the new resource it may be possible if you can express it as LoadBalancerMember18:39
zanebguy with the title of "Sr. Director of Open Source, Open Standards" at Yahoo! seems to genuinely believe that copyright holders get to decide what is and isn't a derivative work18:40
zanebtherve: I knew that was the plan, didn't realise it was implemented already :)18:40
sdakezaneb wouldn't be the first vacuous director :)18:41
therveYeah it works fine, if you have a good separate health check :)18:41
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thervezaneb, I wished we'd focus on why marconi doesn't have a AMQP backend18:45
zaneblol18:46
zanebbecause that seemed hard compared to creating a toy SQLAlchemy backend18:46
sdakeimo sqlalchemy and amqp are of equal difficulty18:47
zanebI'm not sure that AMQP can actually support all the operations in their API though18:49
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therveWell it's certainly possible if you mix it with a storage solution18:52
therveAlthough maybe messages are persistent in marconi? That seems weird18:53
sdakethey are persistent18:53
sdakeI think there is some acknowledgement that persistent messages are not ideal because they need to be recorded18:53
therveThat's a weird requirement to say the least18:54
sdakethe idea is you post to a queue, and later someone else can read from it18:54
sdakerather then setting up an end to end connection for messaging18:54
sdakemessage persistance is a useful feature,but I'd not make that the centerpiece of the architecture :)18:55
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mhrivnakI am learning about openstack's integration with docker, and how it's changing for Icehouse. http://blog.docker.io/2014/03/docker-will-be-in-openstack-icehouse/19:00
mhrivnakDoes anyone know if glance will continue to be used in tandem with docker-registry?19:01
mhrivnakor is that being cut out of the picture along with the rest of the nova/hypervisor approach?19:01
sdakemhrivnak recommend asking on the nova channel19:03
sdakeimo the heat docker plugin is unusable with heat because docker has no scheduler for openstack19:03
mhrivnaksdake, ok thanks.19:04
sdakenova + docker provides a scheduler, so thats a better approach then no scheduler at all19:04
sdakeatm, to schedule a docker container, you ahve to specify the endpoint of the docker container service19:04
sdakeso the scheduling is "manual"19:05
sdakeimo this is totally not good :)19:05
mhrivnaknova channel was quick to tell me the question is off-topic.19:06
* mhrivnak shrugs19:07
zaneblol19:07
sdakeask.openstack.org then?19:07
zanebmhrivnak: afaik docker is basically not integrated with openstack now that the nova driver has been removed to stackforge19:07
zanebmhrivnak: the Heat resource just talks to an existing Docker endpoint19:08
mhrivnakok, that makes some sense.19:08
zanebthere's no way to provision it, or authenticate with keystone or anything like that19:08
sdakeit also has no integration with storage or networking19:08
zanebit's a toy, in other words19:08
sdakeso basically, it iss not useful :)19:08
sdakeby it, I mean the docker plugin, not docker itself19:09
zanebyes, the Heat plugin. Docker itself is still awesome :)19:09
sdakezaneb in retrospect we should probably not +2/+a resources that require schedulers where no scheduler for said resource is available19:10
zanebit's in /contrib, I don't think that was unreasonable19:10
mhrivnakOk, thanks for the input. You've at least helped confirm my understanding of how the relationship to changed.19:10
zaneband the reasons we have /contrib in tree are valid19:10
sdakezaneb it just creates trouble when people ask to use such a resource, because without a schedule its useless19:11
zanebmhrivnak: I would expect that at some point the Nova driver will come back, though perhaps behind a "Container" API rather than the current nova API19:11
sdakeso it implies heat "supports it" but it in fact is not usable19:11
sdakeit implies = being in /contrib19:12
zanebyeah, I know what you're saying19:12
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zanebit doesn't imply that to me, but it leaves us open to people trying to juice their PR by publicising a connection to us that we haven't really endorsed19:13
sdakeunfortunately19:13
sdakean outside observer might speculate we did endorse it by allowing in the source base19:14
sdakewithout understanding the definition of /contrib19:14
zanebyes19:15
zanebalthough it would take an insider who ought to know better to tell them that before they'd think to look19:15
sdakeI think we definately don't want to give people the impression Heat is a scheduler19:15
sdakewhich is where my main concern lies :)19:15
sdakeI dont care much about people gaming the system with /contrib much - but I think we need to be careful that these same folks don't use said gaming to pressure heat development down an unnatural path (such as scheduling)19:17
sdakeanyway maybe I'm overthinking it :)19:17
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networkn8Hey Guys, I'm new and creating a template for the first time on Havana. I've got my OS::Nova::Server resources working fine. But I'm trying to add a security group. Can anyone help?19:38
networkn8http://pastebin.com/LPia4qux19:38
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thervenetworkn8, OS::Neutron::SecurityGroup is only available post havana20:50
networkn8therve, ahh. I see. I must have missed that somewhere.20:50
networkn8perhaps I missed it in the docs? I didn't catch that the docs were versioned.20:51
networkn8thank you for your help20:54
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therveUnfortunately the master doc is much more available21:00
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therveI don't even know where to find the Havana ones21:00
networkn8Interesting. Well, I appreciate the help.21:01
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lipinskianyone know if you can join/merge two lists in a HOT template?21:22
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pwetstackhello21:29
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pwetstacki'm looking for heat's template for autoscaling which works with 2 networks (public and private) create with neutron21:36
pwetstacksomeone to help me ?21:36
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/heat: Using resolving properties for update  https://review.openstack.org/8056922:01
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openstackgerritJenkins proposed a change to openstack/heat: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/7668922:27
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zanebSpamapS: can you confirm the workaround in my last comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1291905 is correct?22:35
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1291905 in tripleo "heat stack-update fails on timeout" [High,Triaged]22:35
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SpamapSzaneb: confirmed22:50
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zanebSpamapS: many thanks23:23
* zaneb goes back to ignoring that bug23:23
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SpamapShm23:58
SpamapSstack-adopt just doesn't work23:59
SpamapS:(23:59
SpamapS$ heat stack-adopt --adopt-file overcloud_recover.json overcloud23:59
SpamapSNeed to specify exactly one of --template-file, --template-url or --template-object23:59

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