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| zaneb | woohoo, summit talk was accepted :) | 00:31 |
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| stevebaker | mine too, and I'm on a panel about configuration :O | 00:32 |
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| lipinski | anyone know how I could join two lists in a HOT template? | 00:53 |
| lipinski | e.g., x: [ "abc", "xyz" ] y: ["123", "456"] myparam: x + y | 00:54 |
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| asalkeld | stevebaker, time to bring out your cat/dog pics | 01:11 |
| stevebaker | I am *so* using this one http://i.imgur.com/jvyf5WC.jpg | 01:14 |
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| stevebaker | much appropriate | 01:14 |
| asalkeld | har | 01:15 |
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| asalkeld | is there any reason trusts were not added as keystone resources? | 01:16 |
| stevebaker | probably just needs a valid use case | 01:16 |
| asalkeld | the current use case | 01:16 |
| asalkeld | signals | 01:16 |
| stevebaker | that all happens under the hood now, some resource create their own users for signing or credentials | 01:17 |
| asalkeld | so a policy needs trust | 01:17 |
| asalkeld | just saying "under the hood" == evil | 01:17 |
| asalkeld | keep heat simple is better | 01:18 |
| stevebaker | one the one hand yes, but on the other hand that just pushes the complexity to the template author. Needing 4+ resources just for a waitcondition was not very nice | 01:19 |
| asalkeld | well, you could then wrap those 4 into one provider | 01:19 |
| asalkeld | but you still have the building blocks | 01:19 |
| asalkeld | for other things | 01:19 |
| * asalkeld goes back to his corner and tries to write some code | 01:21 | |
| stevebaker | in any case, that ship has well and truely sailed | 01:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Liang Chen proposed a change to openstack/heat: Replace str with six.text_type https://review.openstack.org/81956 | 01:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Liang Chen proposed a change to openstack/heat: Tidy up urlfetch.py exception handling https://review.openstack.org/81960 | 01:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Retry subnet delete until no ports are associated https://review.openstack.org/81976 | 03:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jenkins proposed a change to openstack/heat: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/72566 | 06:15 |
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| SpamapS | stevebaker: hmm.. errors in validating softwareconfigs may need some work.. | 06:37 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: ERROR: Property error : notComputeConfig: config Items to join must be strings | 06:37 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: not necessarily software-config problem.. Heat in general I think | 06:37 |
| SpamapS | we need to be able to tell people on what line of the template their error is. | 06:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/python-heatclient: Add new tests to cover most of the requests port https://review.openstack.org/75383 | 06:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat: Never specify project_name in keystone v3 auth https://review.openstack.org/80867 | 07:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lee Li proposed a change to openstack/python-heatclient: Using common methods from oslo cliutils https://review.openstack.org/67120 | 07:12 |
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| SpamapS | stevebaker: here? | 07:18 |
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| SpamapS | stevebaker: anyway, when you're around.. I think I'm seeing where we can't pass inputs in structuredconfig to intrinsic functions. If so.. seems like we may need to figure that out as it is quite a surprise. :-P | 07:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat: Catch NotFound exception on user delete_key https://review.openstack.org/80116 | 07:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jenkins proposed a change to openstack/heat: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/76689 | 07:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jenkins proposed a change to openstack/python-heatclient: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/76698 | 07:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Thomas Spatzier proposed a change to openstack/heat: Fix heading markup in hot_spec.rst https://review.openstack.org/82012 | 07:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/python-heatclient: Pass bytes to NamedTemporaryFile.write() https://review.openstack.org/77738 | 08:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed a change to openstack/heat: Make sure NetworkInterfaces and SubnetId updatable https://review.openstack.org/80209 | 09:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add handle_update to VolumeAttachment https://review.openstack.org/72681 | 10:29 |
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| jstrachan | stevebaker howdy! I've been experimenting running heat stand alone, just on my mac; managed to get things built & heat-engine running; as a temp hack I disabled security in heat-api (figuring out how to use unix user/pwd would be better); what should the heat-url be when using the heat cli? | 12:27 |
| jstrachan | stevebaker apologies for the total newbie question ;) | 12:27 |
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| jstrachan | I tried using http://localhost:8004 / http://localhost:8004/v1/ etc; I guess there's maybe more needs doing first though? | 12:29 |
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| sdake | morning | 12:43 |
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| dims | jstrachan, can you run the heat command line? throw in a --debug and you will see the entire curl command. https://github.com/openstack/python-heatclient/blob/master/heatclient/shell.py#L57 | 12:49 |
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| jstrachan | dims thx! | 12:53 |
| dims | jstrachan, not sure if you remember me from ASF :) howdy! | 12:54 |
| jstrachan | dims hey ;) yes I remember :) | 12:54 |
| dims | nice to see you again :) | 12:54 |
| jstrachan | you too ;) small world eh! | 12:55 |
| dims | :) | 12:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat: Stack identity reads tenant from stack not context https://review.openstack.org/81390 | 14:54 |
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| therve | shardy, I've having a weird issue with tenants and neutron | 15:02 |
| therve | http://paste.openstack.org/ from the neutron logs | 15:03 |
| therve | It tries to post to /None | 15:03 |
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| therve | Hum actually it should use conf parameters | 15:05 |
| therve | Arf out of date devstack | 15:08 |
| therve | Sorry for the noise | 15:08 |
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| lipinski | Is Icehouse version of Heat compatible with Havanna Openstack (e.g., keystone, nova, etc.)? | 16:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jason Dunsmore proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add a native mappings section to HOT https://review.openstack.org/81918 | 16:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Jenkins proposed a change to openstack/heat: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/76689 | 16:44 |
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| sdake | lipinski Icehouse version of heat requires Keystone v3 | 16:50 |
| sdake | lipinski so I would say incompatible | 16:50 |
| sdake | if it weren't for that, it would probably be mostly compatible | 16:50 |
| sdake | there is a keystone v2 auth plugin that rackspace uses on their public cloud | 16:50 |
| sdake | you might give that a try | 16:51 |
| sdake | (they use the v2 auth plugin with icehouse heat) | 16:51 |
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| SpamapS | stevebaker: man.. the built-in os-collect-config bits .. _so_ good. | 16:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Jenkins proposed a change to openstack/python-heatclient: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/76698 | 16:51 |
| SpamapS | sdake: havana has keystone v3 | 16:51 |
| SpamapS | sdake: otherwise we could not make such a requirement | 16:51 |
| SpamapS | sdake: IIRC bugs have been pushed back into the stable release branch | 16:52 |
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| SpamapS | stevebaker: so, when you're around (I know it is Saturday and you might not be here today :) I want to chat about making changes to os-collect-config to have it automatically explode deployments into multiple json files on disk. :) | 16:56 |
| sdake | spamaps oh didn't know that :) | 16:57 |
| sdake | SpamapS as I was explaining it to lipinski it caused a bit of cognitive dissonance but I went with it :) | 16:57 |
| SpamapS | :) | 16:58 |
| SpamapS | sdake: well this is the first release where there is even an attempt to make in-place upgrading work | 16:58 |
| SpamapS | sdake: we should definitely get ourselves into grenade testing | 16:58 |
| sdake | agree | 16:58 |
| sdake | I'd like to see coverage of tempest first | 16:59 |
| sdake | but I guess they don't have to be serial | 16:59 |
| lipinski | Whe is support for get_param: [] supported? I'm running 2014.1 version of heat and it's still choking on get_param: being passed a list | 17:02 |
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| SpamapS | sdake: right, we could probably redirect 2 devs into those things separately, and get a marked improvement in quality. | 17:03 |
| lipinski | I noticed on github, there is heat / heat / engine / hot / functions.py. My site-packages for heat/engine does not even contain a hot directory. | 17:03 |
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| SpamapS | lipinski: 2014.1 isn't a thing yet | 17:04 |
| sdake | SpamapS if only there were devs to redirect :) | 17:04 |
| SpamapS | sdake: no kidding.. I can barely keep up with my own templates.. :-P | 17:04 |
| SpamapS | I've landed like 100 lines of code in Heat this whole cycle. :-/ | 17:04 |
| sdake | ya i'm pretty much in the same boat SpamapS | 17:05 |
| sdake | although I'm not writing as much code these days because of my role change | 17:05 |
| SpamapS | Would really have liked to have gotten update failure recovery in. :-P | 17:05 |
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| lipinski | SpamapS: oh, ok. We have a 2014.1-named RPM from fedora. | 17:06 |
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| SpamapS | lipinski: pre-release then. | 17:12 |
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| SpamapS | lipinski: and likely an old one | 17:12 |
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| lipinski | SpamapS: unfortunately I don't "get" the software. We have licensing issues about just downloading stuff form the "web", etc. and have to get it from certain sources. | 17:13 |
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| SpamapS | lipinski: I'm sorry that you work for (apologies for the strong term) ignorant overlords. :-/ | 17:15 |
| lipinski | SpamapS: agreed 100%. | 17:16 |
| lipinski | Just telling my boss now that I'm getting the stuff from github. Too painful to work on stuff older than what's documented. | 17:17 |
| SpamapS | lipinski: you don't have to get it from "github" btw | 17:18 |
| sdake_ | spamaps did you get security email | 17:18 |
| SpamapS | lipinski: the official upstream source is https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/heat | 17:18 |
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| SpamapS | sdake_: aye.. 3rd in the queue | 17:18 |
| sdake_ | cool | 17:18 |
| sdake_ | my email box is at 99% so my mail is sometimes not going through | 17:19 |
| sdake_ | need to rm -rf jenkins | 17:19 |
| lipinski | SpamapS: true. I should have stated that I will be getting it directly rather than via out RPM channel. | 17:19 |
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| lipinski | SpamapS: thanks for all the help, BTW | 17:19 |
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| wirehead_ | Geez. Gotta keep a lid on all of these name changes. | 17:28 |
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| lipinski | How to troubleshoot install.sh problems? Trying to install heat from github and install.sh hangs at 'Installing AWS_RDS_DBInstance.yaml' | 17:56 |
| sdake_ | lipinski why not use distro packging? | 17:57 |
| sdake_ | rdo has a well thought out all-in-one installer called packstack | 17:57 |
| sdake_ | if you prefer ubuntu they may have some kind of installer as well | 17:58 |
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| sdake_ | lipinksi you will struggle alot trying to install openstack from source :) | 17:58 |
| lipinski | sdake_: because we have requirements to have a separate Heat appliance. This appliance will interface with different stacks. | 17:58 |
| lipinski | I'm not installing openstack from source. Just heat (client/angine/api) | 17:58 |
| sdake_ | for rdo there are icehouse milestone releases avialable | 17:59 |
| sdake_ | not sure if ubuntu makes icehosue packaging available | 17:59 |
| lipinski | This is RedHat. | 17:59 |
| sdake_ | rdo is made for rhel, fedora, centos, sceintific linux | 17:59 |
| lipinski | The latest RPMs we have available is openstack-heat-engine-2014.1-0.5.b2.el6.noarch.rpm | 17:59 |
| larsks | lipinski: I'm running heat from git, but I just install via "python setup.py install". | 18:00 |
| lipinski | This is rather old when looking at the source. i.e., get_param does not support lists, etc. | 18:00 |
| lipinski | larsks: ok - I'll try that. | 18:00 |
| larsks | lipinski: Note that I started with a heat install from packages, which took care of most of the prerequisites, then removed the package and installed heat from source. | 18:02 |
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| lipinski | larsks: I had 2014.1 RPM installed fine. Erased those and tried the install. | 18:06 |
| lipinski | instal.sh finally failed with: Could not find suitable distribution for Requirement.parse('pbr') | 18:07 |
| sdake | lipinski you need to install the requirements.txt file | 18:07 |
| lipinski | python setup.py install is doing nothing. Waiting to see what happens | 18:07 |
| sdake | I think the syntax is pip install -r FILE.txt | 18:07 |
| larsks | sdake: running setup.py should install all the requirements. | 18:08 |
| larsks | let me take a look at setup.py... | 18:08 |
| lipinski | does setup.py require pip? | 18:08 |
| lipinski | I set the http_proxy env var as well - in case it is downloading something... | 18:08 |
| larsks | Nope. But actually, heat setup.py does require pbr to run in the first place, I think. So "yum install python-pbr". | 18:09 |
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| larsks | (Or, you know, "pip install pbr" if you don't have a preference for yum vs. python packaging) | 18:09 |
| openstackgerrit | William C. Arnold proposed a change to openstack/heat-templates: Remove tag to allow default resolved group id https://review.openstack.org/82158 | 18:11 |
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| lipinski | larsks: thanks - will work on that. Need to get yum installed first. These are bare-bones installs. | 18:12 |
| lipinski | they want a heat appliance that has minimum software possible. | 18:12 |
| lipinski | ah ha - found that setup.py was trying to download some stuff via https. I only had http_proxy set. | 18:15 |
| lipinski | was able to get pip installed and now setup.py is off and running | 18:15 |
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| therve | zaneb, Thanks for the great emails in that Murano thread | 18:36 |
| randallburt | therve, zaneb: seconded. | 18:37 |
| therve | Note that autoscaling already works with several load balancer | 18:37 |
| sdake | zaneb lol at swf | 18:37 |
| zaneb | thanks y'all :) | 18:38 |
| zaneb | therve: that's true, but iiuc it's currently limited to load balancer implemented as native plugins? | 18:38 |
| sdake | zaneb definately has some flair :) | 18:38 |
| zaneb | heh, is anybody reading this Marconi thread on legal-discuss? | 18:39 |
| therve | zaneb, With the new resource it may be possible if you can express it as LoadBalancerMember | 18:39 |
| zaneb | guy with the title of "Sr. Director of Open Source, Open Standards" at Yahoo! seems to genuinely believe that copyright holders get to decide what is and isn't a derivative work | 18:40 |
| zaneb | therve: I knew that was the plan, didn't realise it was implemented already :) | 18:40 |
| sdake | zaneb wouldn't be the first vacuous director :) | 18:41 |
| therve | Yeah it works fine, if you have a good separate health check :) | 18:41 |
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| therve | zaneb, I wished we'd focus on why marconi doesn't have a AMQP backend | 18:45 |
| zaneb | lol | 18:46 |
| zaneb | because that seemed hard compared to creating a toy SQLAlchemy backend | 18:46 |
| sdake | imo sqlalchemy and amqp are of equal difficulty | 18:47 |
| zaneb | I'm not sure that AMQP can actually support all the operations in their API though | 18:49 |
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| therve | Well it's certainly possible if you mix it with a storage solution | 18:52 |
| therve | Although maybe messages are persistent in marconi? That seems weird | 18:53 |
| sdake | they are persistent | 18:53 |
| sdake | I think there is some acknowledgement that persistent messages are not ideal because they need to be recorded | 18:53 |
| therve | That's a weird requirement to say the least | 18:54 |
| sdake | the idea is you post to a queue, and later someone else can read from it | 18:54 |
| sdake | rather then setting up an end to end connection for messaging | 18:54 |
| sdake | message persistance is a useful feature,but I'd not make that the centerpiece of the architecture :) | 18:55 |
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| mhrivnak | I am learning about openstack's integration with docker, and how it's changing for Icehouse. http://blog.docker.io/2014/03/docker-will-be-in-openstack-icehouse/ | 19:00 |
| mhrivnak | Does anyone know if glance will continue to be used in tandem with docker-registry? | 19:01 |
| mhrivnak | or is that being cut out of the picture along with the rest of the nova/hypervisor approach? | 19:01 |
| sdake | mhrivnak recommend asking on the nova channel | 19:03 |
| sdake | imo the heat docker plugin is unusable with heat because docker has no scheduler for openstack | 19:03 |
| mhrivnak | sdake, ok thanks. | 19:04 |
| sdake | nova + docker provides a scheduler, so thats a better approach then no scheduler at all | 19:04 |
| sdake | atm, to schedule a docker container, you ahve to specify the endpoint of the docker container service | 19:04 |
| sdake | so the scheduling is "manual" | 19:05 |
| sdake | imo this is totally not good :) | 19:05 |
| mhrivnak | nova channel was quick to tell me the question is off-topic. | 19:06 |
| * mhrivnak shrugs | 19:07 | |
| zaneb | lol | 19:07 |
| sdake | ask.openstack.org then? | 19:07 |
| zaneb | mhrivnak: afaik docker is basically not integrated with openstack now that the nova driver has been removed to stackforge | 19:07 |
| zaneb | mhrivnak: the Heat resource just talks to an existing Docker endpoint | 19:08 |
| mhrivnak | ok, that makes some sense. | 19:08 |
| zaneb | there's no way to provision it, or authenticate with keystone or anything like that | 19:08 |
| sdake | it also has no integration with storage or networking | 19:08 |
| zaneb | it's a toy, in other words | 19:08 |
| sdake | so basically, it iss not useful :) | 19:08 |
| sdake | by it, I mean the docker plugin, not docker itself | 19:09 |
| zaneb | yes, the Heat plugin. Docker itself is still awesome :) | 19:09 |
| sdake | zaneb in retrospect we should probably not +2/+a resources that require schedulers where no scheduler for said resource is available | 19:10 |
| zaneb | it's in /contrib, I don't think that was unreasonable | 19:10 |
| mhrivnak | Ok, thanks for the input. You've at least helped confirm my understanding of how the relationship to changed. | 19:10 |
| zaneb | and the reasons we have /contrib in tree are valid | 19:10 |
| sdake | zaneb it just creates trouble when people ask to use such a resource, because without a schedule its useless | 19:11 |
| zaneb | mhrivnak: I would expect that at some point the Nova driver will come back, though perhaps behind a "Container" API rather than the current nova API | 19:11 |
| sdake | so it implies heat "supports it" but it in fact is not usable | 19:11 |
| sdake | it implies = being in /contrib | 19:12 |
| zaneb | yeah, I know what you're saying | 19:12 |
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| zaneb | it doesn't imply that to me, but it leaves us open to people trying to juice their PR by publicising a connection to us that we haven't really endorsed | 19:13 |
| sdake | unfortunately | 19:13 |
| sdake | an outside observer might speculate we did endorse it by allowing in the source base | 19:14 |
| sdake | without understanding the definition of /contrib | 19:14 |
| zaneb | yes | 19:15 |
| zaneb | although it would take an insider who ought to know better to tell them that before they'd think to look | 19:15 |
| sdake | I think we definately don't want to give people the impression Heat is a scheduler | 19:15 |
| sdake | which is where my main concern lies :) | 19:15 |
| sdake | I dont care much about people gaming the system with /contrib much - but I think we need to be careful that these same folks don't use said gaming to pressure heat development down an unnatural path (such as scheduling) | 19:17 |
| sdake | anyway maybe I'm overthinking it :) | 19:17 |
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| networkn8 | Hey Guys, I'm new and creating a template for the first time on Havana. I've got my OS::Nova::Server resources working fine. But I'm trying to add a security group. Can anyone help? | 19:38 |
| networkn8 | http://pastebin.com/LPia4qux | 19:38 |
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| therve | networkn8, OS::Neutron::SecurityGroup is only available post havana | 20:50 |
| networkn8 | therve, ahh. I see. I must have missed that somewhere. | 20:50 |
| networkn8 | perhaps I missed it in the docs? I didn't catch that the docs were versioned. | 20:51 |
| networkn8 | thank you for your help | 20:54 |
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| therve | Unfortunately the master doc is much more available | 21:00 |
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| therve | I don't even know where to find the Havana ones | 21:00 |
| networkn8 | Interesting. Well, I appreciate the help. | 21:01 |
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| lipinski | anyone know if you can join/merge two lists in a HOT template? | 21:22 |
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| pwetstack | hello | 21:29 |
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| pwetstack | i'm looking for heat's template for autoscaling which works with 2 networks (public and private) create with neutron | 21:36 |
| pwetstack | someone to help me ? | 21:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat: Using resolving properties for update https://review.openstack.org/80569 | 22:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jenkins proposed a change to openstack/heat: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/76689 | 22:27 |
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| zaneb | SpamapS: can you confirm the workaround in my last comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1291905 is correct? | 22:35 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1291905 in tripleo "heat stack-update fails on timeout" [High,Triaged] | 22:35 |
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| SpamapS | zaneb: confirmed | 22:50 |
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| zaneb | SpamapS: many thanks | 23:23 |
| * zaneb goes back to ignoring that bug | 23:23 | |
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| SpamapS | hm | 23:58 |
| SpamapS | stack-adopt just doesn't work | 23:59 |
| SpamapS | :( | 23:59 |
| SpamapS | $ heat stack-adopt --adopt-file overcloud_recover.json overcloud | 23:59 |
| SpamapS | Need to specify exactly one of --template-file, --template-url or --template-object | 23:59 |
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