| mattoliverau | Morning all, been in a meeting all morning. | 00:00 |
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| mattoliverau | zaneb: Congrats on the new position, what would you like to be called now, your majesty, sir, surpreme ruler? | 00:04 |
| zaneb | mattoliverau: thanks, any of those will be fine :D | 00:04 |
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| asalkeld | mattoliverau, lets not let it get to his head ;) | 00:04 |
| mattoliverau | zaneb: Yes sir, surpreme ruler majesty, sir!! | 00:07 |
| mattoliverau | asalkeld: lol | 00:08 |
| zaneb | excellent :) | 00:08 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: job's yours any time you want to volunteer ;) | 00:09 |
| asalkeld | zaneb, yeah - I know it is a lot of button pushing | 00:09 |
| asalkeld | a bit of a thankless job | 00:10 |
| zaneb | so they tell me | 00:10 |
| zaneb | certainly gonna find out | 00:10 |
| zaneb | and then try to knock it on the head | 00:10 |
| asalkeld | I have never been a fan of process, so I have been nervous in searching out ptl status | 00:11 |
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| zaneb | yeah | 00:12 |
| zaneb | sounds like it has improved a bit during Icehouse | 00:12 |
| zaneb | project meetings used to be total BS | 00:12 |
| asalkeld | but I hope you can encourage the other projects like murano/solum/mistral | 00:12 |
| zaneb | now they seem to focus more on actual cross-project issues | 00:12 |
| zaneb | which is what that meeting should be for | 00:12 |
| asalkeld | to that ^ is super important | 00:12 |
| asalkeld | yip | 00:12 |
| mattoliverau | Yeah my manager is mikal, the new nova ptl, and he was getting worried he might actually win for the same reasons. RE: Thankless job. | 00:13 |
| asalkeld | oo, mattoliverau you are a work mate? | 00:14 |
| asalkeld | mattoliverau, you in au? | 00:14 |
| mattoliverau | asalkeld: I probably am :) I'm a remote racker working on upstream openstack. | 00:14 |
| asalkeld | me too:) | 00:15 |
| asalkeld | mattoliverau, I am in Brisbane | 00:15 |
| mattoliverau | I'm in Melbourne :) | 00:15 |
| asalkeld | I was there | 00:15 |
| mattoliverau | small work! | 00:15 |
| asalkeld | last year | 00:15 |
| asalkeld | big work/small world | 00:15 |
| asalkeld | ;) | 00:15 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: have you considered running for the TC? | 00:15 |
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| zaneb | I would vote for you ;) | 00:16 |
| asalkeld | zaneb mmmm | 00:16 |
| asalkeld | are there restrictions on number from one company? | 00:16 |
| mattoliverau | asalkeld: Cool, well I'm new to Melbourne, I was in the UK last year, and before that in Canberra (don't hold it against me :P) | 00:16 |
| zaneb | I don't believe so | 00:16 |
| zaneb | Canberra? people live there by choice??? | 00:17 |
| asalkeld | zaneb, what's the deadline? | 00:17 |
| asalkeld | lol | 00:17 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: nominations are open until the end of this week | 00:17 |
| asalkeld | zaneb, one pita is the meeting time | 00:17 |
| * asalkeld likes sleep in the morning | 00:17 | |
| mattoliverau | zaneb: lol, yeah, it's quiet and nice.. Australias best kept secret, so long as people hate it, thats fine by me, keeps people out :P | 00:18 |
| zaneb | lol, yeah, don't blame you | 00:18 |
| zaneb | (last comment was directed at asalkeld) | 00:18 |
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| zaneb | mattoliverau: you are still clearly crazy ;-P | 00:19 |
| mattoliverau | zaneb: and proud of it :P | 00:19 |
| asalkeld | tc meeting : not too bad 6am | 00:20 |
| asalkeld | kinda | 00:20 |
| zaneb | ouch | 00:20 |
| asalkeld | most corp. meetings are 3am | 00:20 |
| asalkeld | got a good excuse to miss those | 00:20 |
| asalkeld | :) | 00:20 |
| zaneb | lol | 00:20 |
| zaneb | Australia really is in a terrible time zone | 00:21 |
| asalkeld | wtf: you guys are the problem ;) | 00:22 |
| mattoliverau | We just need to get more people from our hemisphere involved in Openstack and try and get the US to wake up in the middle of the night ;P | 00:22 |
| zaneb | NZ can just slip in to the waking zone for a meeting that is during the day in the US and late at night for Europe | 00:22 |
| zaneb | but for Aus it's still in the middle of the night | 00:22 |
| asalkeld | yeah | 00:23 |
| zaneb | mattoliverau: in case you didn't know, I'm from NZ but I work in the US | 00:23 |
| zaneb | that will help explain some accent-related questions later ;) | 00:24 |
| mattoliverau | A kiwi, nice :) Or teasing at the summit :P | 00:24 |
| zaneb | stevebaker is also a kiwi | 00:25 |
| zaneb | we're not sure what asalkeld is any more | 00:25 |
| asalkeld | me neither :-O | 00:25 |
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| asalkeld | I have a south african + kiwi passport and on track to getting an au one | 00:26 |
| mattoliverau | zaneb: I relocated to rackspace London last year for work, so I know the struggle of being a the only person in the country who sounds normal. I just somehow tricked rackspace into letting me go home :P | 00:26 |
| asalkeld | I am just a tri nation-list | 00:26 |
| mattoliverau | asalkeld: LOL, who will you go for in the rugby :P | 00:26 |
| asalkeld | I just enjoy the match | 00:26 |
| zaneb | the winner, clearly | 00:27 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 00:27 |
| asalkeld | happy and sad the matter what | 00:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matthew Oliver proposed a change to openstack/heat: Standalone heat can't specify a region https://review.openstack.org/83669 | 00:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat-cfntools: Manually sync requirements https://review.openstack.org/87420 | 00:49 |
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| stevebaker | could somebody approve https://review.openstack.org/87420 so I can release heat-cfntools? | 00:56 |
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| asalkeld | zaneb, tc email sent | 01:08 |
| asalkeld | hopefully not too many spello's | 01:08 |
| asalkeld | :-O | 01:08 |
| zaneb | nice | 01:09 |
| zaneb | that definitely leaves less pressure on me to run :) | 01:09 |
| asalkeld | well I just want the teams working more together | 01:11 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/python-heatclient: Use correct order of arguments to assertEqual https://review.openstack.org/82498 | 01:17 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/python-heatclient: Remove unused arguments for stack-preview command https://review.openstack.org/87268 | 01:17 |
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| mattoliverau | nice work asalkeld | 01:30 |
| asalkeld | ta mattoliverau | 01:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed a change to openstack/heat: Fix inaccurate error_msg for InvalidTemplateVersion https://review.openstack.org/81761 | 02:09 |
| stevebaker | Anybody who wants to hack on the release notes for icehouse, take a look here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Icehouse#OpenStack_Orchestration_.28Heat.29 | 02:10 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker, do you know of a minimal horizon plugin | 02:11 |
| asalkeld | just so I can see what the hooks are | 02:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Jun Jie Nan proposed a change to openstack/python-heatclient: Fix empty resource list index out of range error https://review.openstack.org/87269 | 02:12 |
| asalkeld | I started with tuskar-ui, but it's not exactly minimal | 02:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matthew Oliver proposed a change to openstack/heat: Standalone heat can't specify a region https://review.openstack.org/83669 | 04:16 |
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| stevebaker | asalkeld: tuskar-ui was all I had to suggest | 04:33 |
| asalkeld | ok thanks stevebaker | 04:33 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker, also : https://github.com/cloudbuilders/simple_horizon_plugin | 04:35 |
| stevebaker | ah, cool | 04:36 |
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| sdake_ | evening folks | 04:50 |
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| mattoliverau | good afternoon sdake_ | 04:51 |
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| sdake_ | 10pm here | 04:51 |
| sdake_ | but thanks you too :) | 04:51 |
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| skraynev | Morning all ;) | 04:58 |
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| mattoliverau | Morning skraynev | 05:04 |
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| skraynev | Good morning mattoliverau ;) | 05:05 |
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| sdake | time for tv passout hour | 05:25 |
| sdake | night all | 05:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sergey Kraynev proposed a change to openstack/heat: Make template validation uniform https://review.openstack.org/86623 | 05:52 |
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| pas-ha | morning all | 05:59 |
| openstackgerrit | Sergey Kraynev proposed a change to openstack/heat: Make template validation uniform https://review.openstack.org/86623 | 06:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jenkins proposed a change to openstack/heat: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/83957 | 06:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sergey Kraynev proposed a change to openstack/heat: Adding attribute schema class for attributes https://review.openstack.org/86525 | 06:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Sergey Kraynev proposed a change to openstack/heat: Using attribute schema for building documentation https://review.openstack.org/86803 | 06:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Sergey Kraynev proposed a change to openstack/heat: Deprecate first_address attribute of Server https://review.openstack.org/86526 | 06:17 |
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| therve | Good morning! | 06:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Sergey Kraynev proposed a change to openstack/heat: Deprecate first_address attribute of Server https://review.openstack.org/86526 | 06:50 |
| mattoliverau | Well I'm off for the day, have to head to the in-laws for dinner :( Have a great night/day y'all. | 06:52 |
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| asalkeld | later mattoliverau | 06:56 |
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| therve | shardy, When you're around I have some questions about https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1301311 | 07:30 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1301311 in heat "Abandon stack lacks locking" [High,In progress] | 07:30 |
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| pas-ha | hi all, what's our current agreement on i18n for strings checking in unittests? should I add it or not? | 07:48 |
| shardy | morning all | 07:51 |
| shardy | therve: hi, sure | 07:51 |
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| shardy | pas-ha: You mean il8n *in* the tests? | 07:52 |
| zigo | stevebaker: sdake_: FYI, I'm in China! :) | 07:52 |
| zigo | (though I'm French...) | 07:52 |
| lifeless | therve: o/ | 07:52 |
| shardy | zigo: I think we all assumed you were in France :) | 07:53 |
| pas-ha | shardy: I mean when I e.g check the error message - should I make the 'expected' message i18n'ed? | 07:53 |
| therve | shardy, So abandon doesn't lack any locking AFAIU. It doesn't override locking as delete does, though. | 07:53 |
| therve | lifeless, Hi | 07:53 |
| shardy | therve: so what happens if two abandons, or an abandon and a delete happen concurrently? | 07:54 |
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| shardy | we could end up in a ABANDON_FAILED state, could we not? | 07:54 |
| therve | So you can't have 2 abandons | 07:54 |
| therve | Because there is locking | 07:54 |
| therve | abandon then delete will try to acquire the lock and stop the abandon process | 07:55 |
| shardy | but we acquire the abandon data outside the lock, so the stack isn't necessarily in a stable state | 07:55 |
| therve | lifeless, Why do you keep reporting the same bug? :) | 07:55 |
| therve | shardy, That may be a problem, yes | 07:56 |
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| shardy | pas-ha: No, just make the expected string match the default non-localized string in the code | 07:58 |
| lifeless | therve: I searched for it and couldn't see it | 07:58 |
| shardy | pas-ha: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/75798/12/heat/tests/__init__.py | 07:58 |
| pas-ha | shardy: thanks | 07:58 |
| lifeless | therve: and ETIRED :( | 07:58 |
| pas-ha | shardy: yep, 've seen that | 07:59 |
| shardy | That's about to land, but I'm pretty sure that's also the right thing to do now | 07:59 |
| therve | lifeless, https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1306743 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1307885 right? | 07:59 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1306743 in heat "queuepool limit of size 5 overflow" [Undecided,New] | 07:59 |
| lifeless | yeah | 07:59 |
| lifeless | epic fail :) | 07:59 |
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| therve | I wouldn't go that far | 08:02 |
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| nanjj | shardy: hi | 08:03 |
| nanjj | shardy: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87488/ -- stack abandon api change | 08:04 |
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| shardy | nanjj: nice, thanks! :) | 08:05 |
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| shardy | nanjj: Some minor comments added | 08:10 |
| nanjj | shardy: we may need some additional work to correct some other APIs issues | 08:10 |
| nanjj | shardy: for example stack-list, stack-show | 08:11 |
| nanjj | shardy: all show no response | 08:11 |
| shardy | nanjj: Yeah, there are some inconsistencies, if you can help fix them that would be excellent :) | 08:11 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat: Move some template validation to Template class https://review.openstack.org/83984 | 08:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add datastore properties to OS::Trove::Instance https://review.openstack.org/60532 | 08:19 |
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| nanjj | shardy: just implemented your comments | 08:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dirk Mueller proposed a change to openstack/python-heatclient: Fix compatibility with Pep8 1.5.4 https://review.openstack.org/87499 | 08:50 |
| shardy | nanjj: Sorry, one more tiny issue | 08:51 |
| therve | shardy, If you could review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86923/ that'd be awesome | 08:52 |
| shardy | therve: looking | 08:52 |
| shardy | Been a bit slow on reviews over the last couple of days as I've been fighting with grenade | 08:52 |
| therve | Oh. Adding heat support? | 08:53 |
| shardy | therve: Yes, I have a WIP patch posted | 08:53 |
| therve | Awesome | 08:53 |
| shardy | but I've been having a lot of problems getting my local test environment to work, so I've ended up debugging the test in the gate | 08:53 |
| shardy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86978/ | 08:54 |
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| shardy | therve: do you know if the config generator stuff is all still broken after this sync? | 08:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jun Jie Nan proposed a change to openstack/python-heatclient: Add --preview option to stack abandon command https://review.openstack.org/84680 | 08:57 |
| nanjj | shardy: thanks | 08:57 |
| therve | shardy, AFAIK yes | 08:58 |
| therve | I don't think the problem has been solved, though Zane would know more | 08:58 |
| shardy | therve: Ok, cool, I've not kept up to date with Zane's fix so wasn't sure if this sync included it | 08:58 |
| shardy | therve: approved | 08:59 |
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| nanjj | shardy: why parameter data is not put in abandon data? | 08:59 |
| shardy | nanjj: it's a bug | 09:00 |
| shardy | https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1300336/comments/2 | 09:00 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1300336 in python-heatclient "Stack adopt requires template" [High,Triaged] | 09:00 |
| shardy | nanjj: I didn't raise one specifically for that issue, but since we include the template, IMO it should be possible to just pass the abandon data and have the stack fully adopted | 09:01 |
| shardy | or at least have the client interpret the abandon data and extract the various things like template, parameters, environment, files etc | 09:01 |
| nanjj | shardy: so we should include parameter data in abandon data | 09:01 |
| nanjj | shardy: and fix the bug | 09:02 |
| shardy | nanjj: IMO, yes | 09:02 |
| shardy | nanjj: I'm not yet sure if we should extract the template/parameters/environment from the abandon data in python-heatclient, or in the API/engine | 09:03 |
| shardy | Doing it in the client will be easier, but the API is our contract so perhaps we should do it there instead | 09:03 |
| shardy | with hindsight, perhaps overloading create for adopt was a mistake | 09:04 |
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| nanjj | maybe, from end users' perspective, adopt is just adopt, it does not make sense to require them to provide the template or parameters | 09:06 |
| nanjj | nobody can remember | 09:06 |
| shardy | nanjj: I agree, which is why it would probably make sense for it to be a different API action | 09:06 |
| shardy | adopt != create | 09:06 |
| shardy | because the data input from the user is different | 09:07 |
| shardy | but atm we're (ab)using v1/​{tenant_id}​/stacks POST for both | 09:07 |
| shardy | and using conditionals in the engine to extract the data from either the request or adopt data | 09:08 |
| nanjj | yes, determine whether adopt data exists | 09:08 |
| shardy | The requirement for conditionals on almost all of the request parameters indicates to me that the interface is wrong | 09:08 |
| shardy | we could instead have v1/​{tenant_id}​/stacks/adopt, which just takes data specific to adopt | 09:09 |
| nanjj | shardy: do we have blueprint to address these issues in Juno? | 09:09 |
| shardy | nanjj: I raised several bugs for abandon/adopt, but some of the issues I'm still just thinking about | 09:09 |
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| nanjj | shardy: yes, I saw the bugs | 09:10 |
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| shardy | therve: re os_auth_url.replace in your ceilometer patch - have you checked that is still needed with latest keystoneclient? | 09:17 |
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| shardy | therve: ayoung said they'd implemented version autodiscovery, but I've not had time to look into it yet | 09:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jun Jie Nan proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add preview option to stack abandon https://review.openstack.org/84664 | 09:28 |
| nanjj | shardy: preview, a nice word | 09:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Dimitri Mazmanov proposed a change to openstack/heat: Fix wrongly printed count of received handled conditions. https://review.openstack.org/87293 | 09:29 |
| shardy | nanjj: Yeah, it describes the operation a little more clearly I think | 09:32 |
| therve | shardy, It seems that you need to do an additional API call though. | 09:33 |
| shardy | therve: Oh :( I thought they were going to implement something which transparently selected the correct endpoint based on which version of the python API you were using | 09:34 |
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| therve | shardy, As I read there is a new endpoint giving you the list of available versions | 09:38 |
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| shardy | Not very "auto" autodiscovery then :( | 09:39 |
| therve | I'm not sure they could have done otherwise | 09:42 |
| therve | I guess you could do that request at the start of the service and store the result somewhere | 09:42 |
| shardy | Yeah, but are you saying that request isn't made transparently by keystoneclient? | 09:43 |
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| therve | shardy, You need to make an additional call | 09:50 |
| therve | http://paste.openstack.org/show/75743/ is the example they give | 09:50 |
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| shardy | ugh | 09:51 |
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| nanjj | shardy: for me, functions like abandon, adopt and snapshoot are for pets | 10:10 |
| nanjj | shardy: for pets only | 10:10 |
| shardy | nanjj: my point was that in many respects a snapshot and an abandon preview are the same thing | 10:11 |
| nanjj | shardy: snapshot needs to create image for server | 10:12 |
| shardy | both will collect definition and state of the stack and all the resources | 10:12 |
| nanjj | shardy: yes, this part is same | 10:12 |
| shardy | nanjj: non neccessarily - when therve and I discussed it recently, I mentioned that the snapshot of data/vm's could be optional and controlled via flags to the snapshot API | 10:13 |
| shardy | so you could either snapshot just the heat data, or the heat data and vms, or heat data, vm's and all storage | 10:13 |
| shardy | etc | 10:13 |
| shardy | so my concern is just that we don't want two API calls which do mostly the exact same thing | 10:14 |
| shardy | likewise the RPC calls and engine logic | 10:14 |
| shardy | so if there's an opportunity to work out a common interface, that might be good | 10:14 |
| nanjj | shardy: yes, agree | 10:15 |
| shardy | therve: ^^ | 10:15 |
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| therve | shardy, Have you seen my patches btw? | 10:30 |
| shardy | therve: Yes, I've not reviewed all of them yet but I left some comments/questions on the API one | 10:30 |
| shardy | therve: I'm very happy to see this work started, thanks for picking it up! :) | 10:31 |
| therve | Oh I missed them, looking | 10:31 |
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| therve | shardy, So I'm interested to hear opinions on whether or not snapshots should be independent of stacks | 11:03 |
| therve | It's related to the restore operation, whether we only want to do it with an existing stack or not | 11:04 |
| shardy | therve: yeah, my initial reaction is that they would not be, but I'm not really sure | 11:04 |
| shardy | Yeah, the issue is you can't restore resources from ID's for stuff that has been deleted | 11:04 |
| shardy | so all of the resources backed by things which don't support snapshot persistency natively won't work | 11:04 |
| therve | Hum... Why would you want to restore from IDs though? | 11:05 |
| shardy | Hmm, I guess we export all the data too | 11:05 |
| therve | You use the template to recreate stuff, and backups for getting the data | 11:05 |
| shardy | therve: tbh I'm not sure what the right answer is, still thinking :) | 11:05 |
| therve | Yeah me neither | 11:05 |
| shardy | there are issues like cinder volumes can't be deleted if snapshots exist | 11:06 |
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| shardy | but I guess we use backups instead of snapshots don't we? | 11:06 |
| therve | That's another interesting point yes :) | 11:06 |
| shardy | Probably need some more use-cases before a decision can be made | 11:06 |
| therve | It made sense for the deleting policy, because otherwise they disappear | 11:06 |
| shardy | maybe start a ML thread looking for feedback and example use-cases? | 11:07 |
| therve | If you keep the resource around, you can use snapshots and it's much more efficient | 11:07 |
| shardy | Yeah, I was initially expecting us to use the actuall snapshot features, as I assume they are much less expensive than backups | 11:07 |
| shardy | but that then implies snapshots dependent on stacks | 11:07 |
| therve | Exactly | 11:07 |
| shardy | maybe we could do both, have a persist=True, or backup=True flag | 11:08 |
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| shardy | or maybe it's two different things, snapshot and backup | 11:08 |
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| shardy | pretty exiting possibilities implied by both tho :) | 11:09 |
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| therve | shardy, Sent | 11:17 |
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| Qiming | hi, does anyone know if there will be some discussions about instance groups during the design summit? | 13:28 |
| Qiming | today, we have InstanceGroup, ResourceGroup, AutoScalingGroup, AutoScalingResourceGroup, pools for a LoadBalancer, and Sahara cluster ... | 13:31 |
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| therve | Their existence is not really a topic of discussion. Maybe you have something in mind? | 13:32 |
| Qiming | these resources share a lot of properties in common. | 13:32 |
| shardy | Qiming: http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/126 | 13:33 |
| Qiming | and they demand for an additional relationship among resources -- 'contained' or 'member-of' | 13:33 |
| shardy | I would expect that to include discussion of the group-resource status | 13:33 |
| Qiming | shardy: checking | 13:33 |
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| shardy | Qiming: Certainly I expect there to be some discussion of the next steps and key enhancements for Juno | 13:34 |
| therve | ResourceGroup and AutoScalingResourceGroup are just better versions of InstanceGroup and AutoScalingGroup | 13:34 |
| therve | pools for a LoadBalancer... I don't see why that belong in that list | 13:34 |
| therve | Same for Sahara cluster | 13:34 |
| shardy | Qiming: Also, it's important to distinguish the AWS compatible resources from the native OS::Heat ones | 13:35 |
| Qiming | therve, what I want to propose is kind of a refactor work to server groups | 13:35 |
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| therve | refactoring is a way, not an end :) | 13:35 |
| Qiming | where the the groups may have certain policies associated with it (including: auto-scaling, load-balanced, high-available cluster, ...) | 13:36 |
| shardy | Qiming: A lot of the AWS compatible resources could (and IMO should) be reimplemented as provider resource templates, which simply define the AWS compatible interfaces and wrap the native resources | 13:36 |
| Qiming | therve, agree | 13:36 |
| shardy | Qiming: If we do that, a lot of the duplication you're concerned about dissapears | 13:36 |
| Qiming | yes. shardy, that is exactly my point. | 13:37 |
| shardy | Qiming: I think there is general agreement that is the direction we're headed for all AWS compatible resources, but actually doing it will require significant effort | 13:37 |
| Qiming | agreed. maybe we should kick off this work sooner than later, or else the maintainability of the duplicated code could be a disaster | 13:39 |
| shardy | Qiming: well if you're offering to do it, then go ahead ;) | 13:39 |
| therve | There is not so much duplication | 13:39 |
| Qiming | :) there is not so much duplication today, because it is still not yet too late | 13:40 |
| therve | For example AutoScalingResourceGroup is-a AutoScalingGroup for now | 13:40 |
| shardy | and AutoScalingGroup is-a InstanceGroup | 13:41 |
| Qiming | I'm currently pretty occupied by implementing a HA cluster for VMs | 13:41 |
| Qiming | during this work, I have been stealing a lot code from the existing code base. | 13:41 |
| Qiming | It really makes me feeling uncomfortable. | 13:41 |
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| shardy | So the disaster is all the duplication in your own code? | 13:42 |
| therve | Heh :) | 13:42 |
| shardy | ;) | 13:42 |
| Qiming | That's the origin of the thoughts on converging all this VM groups functionalities into one ... | 13:42 |
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| Qiming | sadly, yes. it is a disaster. but it helps me better understand how the code works today, that is not too bad anyway | 13:43 |
| shardy | Qiming: I don't think we really have enough visibility of what you're doing to comment, can you like your repository and the duplicated code you refer to? | 13:43 |
| shardy | Qiming: It sounds like you should be contributing to Heat instead of duplicating our code :) | 13:43 |
| shardy | s/like/link | 13:43 |
| Qiming | shardy, still trying my best to get the whole idea formed, while writing some prototype code | 13:44 |
| shardy | Qiming: Ok, so there is no disaster, or at least not yet ;) | 13:45 |
| Qiming | definitely, I hope the outcome, if it works, will find a way back into Heat | 13:45 |
| Qiming | I have just posted some ideas to the mailinglist | 13:48 |
| Qiming | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-April/032703.html | 13:48 |
| Qiming | shardy, therve, I would really appreciate your review and comments on this | 13:48 |
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| Qiming | let me know if the idea makes sense to you or not | 13:49 |
| shardy | Qiming: I think most of what you describe is already possible | 13:50 |
| skraynev | shardy: currently information about all deleted stacks stored in db and available when I use get method of StackManager. right? I just want to know, is it expected behavior or not ? | 13:51 |
| shardy | skraynev: Yes, it's stored until you purge it with heat-manage, but deleted stacks should not show up by default in heat stack-list | 13:52 |
| Qiming | thanks, shardy, but 'possible' only means it CAN be implemented. | 13:52 |
| Qiming | am I getting an approval from you to continue work on this? :) | 13:53 |
| shardy | Qiming: well we have an example template which does most of what you describe | 13:53 |
| skraynev | shardy: yeap, stack-list works correct. Only was surprised that all information is available ;) | 13:53 |
| shardy | Qiming: I'm just some guy on the internet, you don't need my approval to do anything :) | 13:53 |
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| skraynev | shardy: as I understand right it is used or will be used for some features ? | 13:53 |
| Qiming | shardy, that is only about a single VM instance, and it as done improperly | 13:53 |
| shardy | Qiming: what I'm saying is that most of what you need already exists in Heat | 13:54 |
| shardy | or at least as I understand it | 13:54 |
| shardy | if there are gaps, feel free to raise blueprints where they don't exist already | 13:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Chmouel Boudjnah proposed a change to openstack/heat: Skip tests when loading plugins https://review.openstack.org/84117 | 13:54 |
| shardy | your requirements are quite similar to e.g Tuskar's AutoScaling requirements | 13:54 |
| Qiming | shardy: not a VM cluster that can restart, remote-restart, migrate a VM in it | 13:55 |
| shardy | skraynev: deleted stacks aren't used for anything, just to enable events to be listed after delete, for an audit trail | 13:56 |
| Qiming | shardy: I will work on a blueprint asap | 13:56 |
| skraynev | shardy: gotcha, thanks for clarification ;) | 13:57 |
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| shardy | Qiming: Ok, but the first step is to decouple the overall functionality you require (which IMO should be implemented as a heat template, not a resource plugin) from the feature gaps required to implement it | 13:58 |
| shardy | e.g "Implement HA cluster" is not a good heat blueprint | 13:58 |
| shardy | providing an example to heat-templates which demonstrates how to deploy an HA cluster however, would be excellent :) | 13:59 |
| Qiming | shardy: got your point. Just some abstract text will only lead to confusion. | 14:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Alexander Ignatov proposed a change to openstack/heat: OS::Sahara::Cluster resource implementation https://review.openstack.org/72336 | 14:02 |
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| shardy | Qiming: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TripleO/TuskarJunoPlanning | 14:04 |
| shardy | Qiming: You may find the "High Availability" and "Auto-Scaling" sections of that interesting | 14:04 |
| Qiming | shardy: If I'm understanding correctly, Heat is not gonna provide resource types for Tuskar, right? | 14:06 |
| shardy | Qiming: No, but we will probably implement any underlying functionality required to enable the *templates* to be written | 14:06 |
| Qiming | shardy, that is my understanding | 14:07 |
| shardy | I don't think "HA cluster" is a good resource base-type, it's a deployment pattern which we'll support indirectly by providing the features required to implement it in a heat template | 14:07 |
| shardy | Folks might choose to expose it as a provider resource however | 14:07 |
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| Qiming | In Tuskar, heat templates are to be stored on Swift? | 14:12 |
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| sdake | morning | 14:50 |
| shardy | morning sdake | 14:50 |
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| Qiming | shardy: can you help provide some pointers to stack user domain/project? | 14:55 |
| shardy | Qiming: yes, I'm actually writing a blog post on that topic right now ;) | 14:56 |
| Qiming | great! I hope the post is not blocked here ... | 14:57 |
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| shardy | Qiming: it will be posted to http://hardysteven.blogspot.co.uk/, which is syndicated to planet.openstack.org | 14:58 |
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| Qiming | "this webpage is not available", as I guessed | 14:59 |
| shardy | Qiming: :( Can you use one of your comany proxies via a VPN? | 14:59 |
| shardy | *company* | 15:00 |
| Qiming | shardy: trying a VM from US now, it shoud work | 15:00 |
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| Qiming | cool, worked | 15:02 |
| sdake | yay robyn's federal taxes cleared the checking account | 15:02 |
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| sdake | so my 11 year old daughter says "Dad why isn't tax day on April 1st?" | 15:03 |
| sdake | my response -> "It should be, thats April Fools day!" | 15:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat: Sync oslo incubator https://review.openstack.org/86923 | 15:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat: Fix inaccurate error_msg for InvalidTemplateVersion https://review.openstack.org/81761 | 15:34 |
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| jay_t | hello, wondering if i may ask a question about error I am seeing | 15:41 |
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| jay_t | with regards to scalignpolicy, I am getting "Nested stack update failed: State invalid for UPDATE" pretty frequently although autoscaling does work sometime | 15:44 |
| shardy | jay_t: Is the scaling policy trying to update while an update is already in progress? | 15:45 |
| shardy | maybe you need to specify a longer cooldown period? | 15:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Order imports in alphabetical order (9/9) https://review.openstack.org/85361 | 15:46 |
| jay_t | shardy: using 90 on scaleup and 120 on scaledown | 15:46 |
| jay_t | shardy: alarm period is set 30 | 15:48 |
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| Qiming | sounds like the alarm period should be longer than the cooldown period? | 15:54 |
| therve | zaneb, Thanks for fixing that bug, I got tricked by the title | 15:54 |
| zaneb | therve: yeah, it was a terrible title | 15:54 |
| Qiming | or else the group is still in IN_PROGRESS state ... | 15:54 |
| zaneb | I actually asked him to raise that bug because he emailed me about it first (and then raised a question for Ubuntu developers...) | 15:55 |
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| jay_t | Qiming: I think I may be a little confused as to all the timing paramaters, there is evaluation_interval setting in ceilometer.conf then period in alarm definition | 15:57 |
| therve | jay_t, You want evaluation_interval to be less than period | 15:57 |
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| jay_t | therve, i currently have evaluation period in ceilometer.conf set to 60 | 15:58 |
| jay_t | sorry | 15:58 |
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| jay_t | therve,evalutation_interval in ceilometer.com | 15:58 |
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| jay_t | therve, like i said, i may be confused regarding the different time settings | 16:00 |
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| jay_t | therve, so i want evaluation_period in ceilometer.conf to be less than whatever my alarm period is? And cooldown should also be less than alarm period? | 16:07 |
| therve | You evaluate your alarm more often than you get values, that's useless | 16:08 |
| therve | So yes, evaluation_interval < alarm period | 16:08 |
| jay_t | therve, sorry if these appear to be stupid questions | 16:09 |
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| therve | Cooldown ought to be more than alarm period though. If it's less, it's the same as not having cooldown. | 16:09 |
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| Qiming | my understanding is this: alarm.period * alarm.evaluation_periods > policy.cooldown, alarm.priod > ceilometer.eval_interval | 16:11 |
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| Qiming | cooldown acts like a gate, if the product of (period*evaluation_periods) is shorter, UPDATE will be rejected | 16:13 |
| Qiming | that is what cooldown is designed for | 16:13 |
| Qiming | so, in your case, jay_t, it may be a good sign to receive those errors | 16:14 |
| therve | Right, exactly. So it's either 0 or superior. | 16:14 |
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| jay_t | therve, so i will first change my evaluation_interval to ensure it is less than my alarm period | 16:21 |
| therve | It doesn't have to be the case. It's just more meaninful. | 16:22 |
| therve | Setting the interval too low can have a performance impact. | 16:22 |
| jay_t | ok so right now that is set to 60 | 16:22 |
| jay_t | so i maybe i will just increase the alarm period then | 16:23 |
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| * Qiming goes to bed now | 16:31 | |
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| therve | zaneb, It'd be cool to have your opinion on the stack snapshots email I sent | 16:48 |
| zaneb | therve: I haven't read it yet, but I will take a look today | 16:49 |
| therve | Great thanks | 16:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rob Crittenden proposed a change to openstack/python-heatclient: Heat client does not support OS_CACERT option. https://review.openstack.org/87664 | 17:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Anderson Mesquita proposed a change to openstack/heat: Check resources are in expected states https://review.openstack.org/58641 | 18:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Vijendar Komalla proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement locking in abandon stack https://review.openstack.org/86663 | 19:37 |
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| lipinski | Anyone know why I'd get a permissiond enied on the /lost+found directory when running heat-engine as non-root user? | 19:53 |
| lipinski | Property error: image [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/lost+found' | 19:53 |
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| jdob | lifeless: "review based conceptual design process" meaning have the design docs in git and we use the gerritt +/- stuff to discuss and approve them? | 20:00 |
| jdob | oops, wrong window | 20:00 |
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| pafuent | Hi. If I need a particular AWS resource implementation that isn't supported by Heat CFN, but there is an equivalent OS native resource (with different parameters and attributes). Should I implement that like AWS::RDS::DBInstance? | 20:30 |
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| zaneb | pafuent: yes, a provider template is the way to go if you can make it work | 20:57 |
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| pafuent | zaneb: And If I make it work, Should I submit a patch with change or this kind of stuff should be used in my own OS deployment? | 20:59 |
| zaneb | I'd day submit it to the heat-templates repo in the first instance | 21:00 |
| pafuent | zaneb: Ok, thanks. | 21:01 |
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| harlowja | sdake how did we get from here to there, lol | 21:04 |
| harlowja | hahaha | 21:04 |
| harlowja | that email is messing with my business continuity man | 21:05 |
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| jpeeler | if i do a git pull --rebase, then do git-review, why would gerrit still say that my change needs rebasing? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69726/ | 21:44 |
| jpeeler | i guess i could start a new review, but losing the history is not ideal | 21:45 |
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| aru__ | I am making a heat api call for creating a stack. I am gettiting http 400 response with header line too long response | 21:58 |
| aru__ | I wonder if it is related to this https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-keystoneclient/+bug/1186177 | 21:58 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1186177 in python-keystoneclient "the PKI token generated by v3 api is too long" [Medium,In progress] | 21:58 |
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| aru__ | It does not seem to work with version 2 api | 22:01 |
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| aru__ | either | 22:01 |
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| zaneb | jpeeler: that's weird, unless something else was merged in the intervening time | 22:08 |
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| jpeeler | yeah i can't really figure out what i'm doing wrong, but if it doesn't work this time i'll just submit a new review | 22:10 |
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| stevebaker | aru__: Do you know if your keystone catalog is bigger than usual for any reason? | 22:13 |
| stevebaker | aru__: are you running recent icehouse? I think there were recent keystone changes which mitigated token size a little bit | 22:14 |
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| aru__ | I am just foolowing a siumilar example as is done in the unit test.Passing a few parameters to the template https://github.com/openstack/heat-templates/blob/master/hot/hello_world.yaml. As for the keystone catalog I am not entirely sure how to check it | 22:16 |
| aru__ | I am using havana | 22:16 |
| aru__ | But its a recent install | 22:17 |
| stevebaker | shardy: Could you please look at populating https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Icehouse#Stack_domain_users in the next day or so? | 22:17 |
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| aru__ | Is there a way to check it in horizon? | 22:20 |
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| mattoliverau | Morning all | 22:30 |
| stevebaker | aru__: if you're getting this on havana your best approach might be switching keystone to UUID token format | 22:32 |
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