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| tiantian | Hi all, would you please to review my patch:https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94021/ . migrate to glanceclient to get image id. Thanks. | 01:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | William C. Arnold proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implements stack lifecycle plugpoints https://review.openstack.org/89363 | 02:28 |
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| tiantian | zhiyan: in? | 03:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | William C. Arnold proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implements stack lifecycle plugpoints https://review.openstack.org/89363 | 04:42 |
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| skraynev | morning all ;) | 05:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/heat: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/89750 | 06:03 |
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| mattoliverau | Morning skraynev, sorry for the late greeting, am having a busy Friday arvo :) | 06:26 |
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| skraynev | mattoliverau: hey, np ;) I understand. | 06:36 |
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| aniket | hello all :) | 06:40 |
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| mattoliverau | Hi aniket | 06:46 |
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| aniket | <mattoliverau>while launching a stack i am getting Error: Resource CREATE failed: Error: Creation of server St-LoadBalancer-uo6ahjfiawep-LB_instance-on55iwga2kfa failed: No valid host was found. (500) | 06:49 |
| aniket | do you have any idea,how to resolve this? | 06:50 |
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| therve | Good morning! | 07:12 |
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| therve | aniket, It means nova was unable to schedule the creation of your server | 07:14 |
| therve | Generally because of not enough memory/cpu/disk | 07:14 |
| therve | Try to look at nova logs | 07:14 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat: Order imports in alphabetical order (9/9) https://review.openstack.org/85361 | 07:17 |
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| aniket | <therve>thanks :) | 07:24 |
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| tspatzier | Good morning therve! I reworked the allowed_values for numbers patch a bit. I'm not completely happy with it but it's the best I can think of to be backwards compatible. And at least I added a lot of tests. Will post in a moment. | 07:28 |
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| pas-ha | morning | 07:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Haiyang DING proposed a change to openstack/heat: Change Volume metadata attribute from json to raw dict format. https://review.openstack.org/94858 | 07:30 |
| skraynev | pas-ha: hi man :) | 07:30 |
| skraynev | pas-ha: my congratulation with merging last patch with imports :0 | 07:31 |
| pas-ha | yay! | 07:31 |
| skraynev | pas-ha: :) | 07:31 |
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| andrearosa | ls | 08:30 |
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| andrearosa | wrong window :( | 08:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Thomas Spatzier proposed a change to openstack/heat: Respect schema data type in constraint validation https://review.openstack.org/94641 | 08:55 |
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| tspatzier | therve: ^^ | 08:57 |
| therve | tspatzier, Will look later | 08:58 |
| tspatzier | therve: thanks, and no hurry. | 08:58 |
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| elynn | Hi all, could you help to review this patch? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/75800/ | 10:01 |
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| shardy | elynn: I looked at it yesterday, but we need https://review.openstack.org/#/c/75798/12 in first | 10:03 |
| shardy | you can help by looking at the logs and figuring out what bug we need to recheck against, so we can get rid of the jenkins -1 | 10:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sergey Kraynev proposed a change to openstack/heat: Adding own child_template for AutoScalingGroup https://review.openstack.org/95142 | 11:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sergey Kraynev proposed a change to openstack/heat: Adding own child_template for AutoScalingGroup https://review.openstack.org/95142 | 12:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Support mutually exclusive properties in schema https://review.openstack.org/94622 | 12:36 |
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| andreaf_ | stevebaker: ping | 12:44 |
| andreaf_ | shardy: ping | 12:45 |
| shardy | andreaf_: Hi! | 12:50 |
| shardy | andreaf_: stevebaker is probably asleep atm | 12:50 |
| andreaf_ | oh, ok is he on the West Coast? | 12:51 |
| shardy | andreaf_: He's in new zealand | 12:51 |
| andreaf_ | ok most likely alseep :D | 12:51 |
| shardy | andreaf_: If needed I can rebase his test patch, I don't think he'll mind :) | 12:51 |
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| andreaf_ | shardy: ok | 12:52 |
| shardy | andreaf_: what is your preferred solution to get the various manager.py things in? | 12:52 |
| shardy | we seems to have a bit of a dependency loop going on with the various patches | 12:52 |
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| shardy | and it would be good to get the base-class stuff in soon so we can focus on getting new testcases done | 12:52 |
| andreaf_ | shardy: right so the policy we have is that you should not merge code which is not used | 12:52 |
| shardy | Ok, so even reworking the autoscaling test is no good then, as it's currently skipped? | 12:53 |
| shardy | I commented the skip and tested it locally, fwiw | 12:53 |
| shardy | If you prefer I can squash everything into stevebaker's patch, and we can focus on getting that in | 12:53 |
| andreaf_ | shardy: yes that was my idea | 12:56 |
| shardy | andreaf_: Ok, I'll do that now then | 12:57 |
| andreaf_ | shardy: great thanks | 12:58 |
| andreaf_ | shardy: it would be great to get those patches through :) | 12:58 |
| shardy | andreaf_: +1 :) | 12:58 |
| andreaf_ | sdague: are you around? | 12:59 |
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| sdague | andreaf_: a little | 12:59 |
| andreaf_ | :D | 12:59 |
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| andreaf_ | ok I just wanted to ask you if you agree on ^^^ | 13:00 |
| andreaf_ | sdague: you have seen the heat patches before right? | 13:00 |
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| andreaf_ | sdague: so the idea to squash the _wait_on_stack_status function into https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88137/ and get it merged so the other heat patches can progress from there | 13:01 |
| sdague | yeh, but I've lost context on them | 13:01 |
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| andreaf_ | sdague: I -1 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/92565/5 because it introduces a function which is not used - it is in the latest patchset but the test is skipped | 13:03 |
| andreaf_ | sdague: so I proposed to move that function to another patch (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88137/) where the same function is used so we can see that in action. | 13:04 |
| sdague | andreaf_: yeh, I think that's fair | 13:04 |
| andreaf_ | sdague: ok thanks | 13:04 |
| sdague | I think that's one of the culture differences here. I know the heat team tends to do deeper patch stacks with non exercised bits in the bottom, and we tend to want to see code executed before landing it | 13:04 |
| shardy | FWIW stevebaker was initially -1 on _wait_on_stack_status in 92565, but I believe I've now justified the response to his "Does this provide anything which status_timeout doesn't" remark | 13:05 |
| * shardy answers "yes" :D | 13:05 | |
| shardy | sdague: that's definitely the case, yes | 13:06 |
| sdague | honestly though, my primary concern is that the heat-slow job remains non-voting. I'm not sure who is working on the stability issues there. I'd really like to see some sketch (even if just an etherpad) of how that gets solved. | 13:06 |
| therve | How often is it failing nowadays? | 13:06 |
| shardy | sdague: I've been looking at the autoscaling job - I think we can simplify that test a lot and get it working with cirros images | 13:07 |
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| sdague | therve: I don't know, once it passed the 50% failure threshold we turned it off. I've now been ignoring it. | 13:07 |
| therve | It actually caught a nova problem recently | 13:08 |
| therve | But yeah the waitcondition issue should be improved by shardy's work | 13:08 |
| sdague | anyway, I'm mostly not working today, so I'm just going to largely go back to "not working" :) | 13:09 |
| andreaf_ | sdague: have a nice day! | 13:12 |
| EmilienM | shardy: hey, is someone already working on grenade/heat? | 13:13 |
| shardy | EmilienM: I started a patch, but haven't made much progress because I couldn't get a local test environment working | 13:14 |
| shardy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86978/ | 13:14 |
| EmilienM | shardy: ah ok. | 13:15 |
| EmilienM | shardy: need help? | 13:15 |
| shardy | EmilienM: If you have time to help then yes, definitely :) | 13:15 |
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| therve | shardy, Can you look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94702/ ? | 14:21 |
| therve | I should be able to fix the config generation with that | 14:21 |
| shardy | therve: sure | 14:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thomas Herve proposed a change to openstack/heat: Use entry points for config generation https://review.openstack.org/95178 | 14:47 |
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| jasond | shardy: are you there? | 15:19 |
| shardy | jasond: hey, I am | 15:19 |
| jasond | hey, i was looking at your response in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94736/2 | 15:20 |
| jasond | how can you share threads between forked processes? | 15:20 |
| jasond | i mean, i didn't think that was possible | 15:20 |
| shardy | jasond: well they all have a reference to the same ThreadGroupManager created before the fork | 15:21 |
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| shardy | It is all really confusing and non-obvious, and I'm still not 100% clear on how it's supposed to work | 15:22 |
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| jasond | hm, everything i've read says forking python processes with threads is problematic | 15:22 |
| shardy | I would far prefer that services only supported one worker and you just had to run multiple processes instead | 15:22 |
| jasond | shardy: +1 | 15:22 |
| zaneb | shardy: what is the difference between a worker and an engine here? | 15:22 |
| jasond | there should just be a service that spawns multiple engines | 15:23 |
| * zaneb is confused by the distinction | 15:23 | |
| shardy | zaneb: The engine forks multiple workers, but you can also run multiple engine (parent) processes | 15:23 |
| shardy | basically it's internal fork vs explicitly starting multiple processes | 15:23 |
| shardy | I'd far prefer we only did the latter, but atm we don't | 15:23 |
| zaneb | sooo... workers share a single input queue? | 15:23 |
| jasond | zaneb: https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/heat/openstack/common/service.py#L317 | 15:23 |
| shardy | zaneb: I believe so, but the oslo abstractions make the rpc side of it really hard to follow | 15:24 |
| zaneb | it seems like we should find that out | 15:25 |
| shardy | zaneb: we were getting hung up w/qpid when multiple workers were trying to share a common EngineListener object, so I just moved that to after the fork | 15:25 |
| zaneb | shardy: so basically they're independent engines but started with fork() | 15:26 |
| shardy | basically yes | 15:26 |
| shardy | but because all the requests are serialized per-stack by the global lock, I added the ThreadGroupManager before the fork, because it manages per-stack ThreadGroups | 15:27 |
| zaneb | I'm not against that, but to the extent that multi-engine stuff is involved, we have to treat the workers as separate engines | 15:27 |
| zaneb | shardy: but there's no shared memory, so it shouldn't matter whether you do that part before or after the fork, surely? | 15:28 |
| shardy | zaneb: well the issue is, you don't want a periodic task running for every sub-process, or they'll all race | 15:29 |
| jasond | bbiab, meeting | 15:30 |
| shardy | Maybe we should just disable periodic watchers for all situations where more than one worker is specified | 15:30 |
| shardy | but then SpamapS's patch will break Alarms for every existing user, because it starts a worker per cpu | 15:30 |
| shardy | and the ceilometer alarm provider resource doesn't currently work | 15:31 |
| shardy | zaneb: the before/after fork thing is just whether something happens once, or $num_workers times | 15:31 |
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| zaneb | ok, but what you seem to be saying is that because something is created before the fork, it doesn't exist in the child processes | 15:32 |
| zaneb | which is not how fork() works ;) | 15:33 |
| therve | For the dangerous version of "just" | 15:33 |
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| shardy | zaneb: Not really, I'm saying that the observed behavior with eventlet based timers started via ThreadGroup is one timer run per engine parent process | 15:44 |
| shardy | whereas if you actually run heat-engine multiple times you get alarms evaluated multiple times in different engines | 15:45 |
| zaneb | translation: "something fancy in Oslo makes sure only the parent process runs timers, but we don't know what"? | 15:46 |
| shardy | something weird in eventlet makes unfathomable things happen, situation normal | 15:47 |
| shardy | eventlet is the bit I'm unsure of, not the fork itself | 15:47 |
| shardy | oslo doesn't seem to do anything fancy afaict | 15:48 |
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| shardy | I'll just put everything back into the start() | 15:49 |
| zaneb | relying on eventlet behaviour we have no explanation for makes me nervous :/ | 15:49 |
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| shardy | I'd love to just rip all the periodic task stuff out completely, but I guess we have to deprecate CWLiteAlarm first | 15:51 |
| SpamapS | shardy: so.. another option.. | 15:59 |
| SpamapS | shardy: is to fork/re-exec everything with a --no-timers for each worker | 15:59 |
| shardy | SpamapS: possibly, although that's not actually needed atm | 16:04 |
| shardy | as zaneb has highlighted, I probably need to write off a day and go down the rabbit hole to figure out why forking breaks EngineListener but doesn't fire duplicate timer tasks | 16:04 |
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| shardy | probably, the answer in both cases is monkey_patch | 16:06 |
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| zaneb | shardy: I assume that forking after creating EngineListener breaks because it's not valid to have the file descriptor that is listening to qpid open twice | 16:07 |
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| shardy | yup, but for some reason it works OK for rabbit | 16:08 |
| jasond | shardy: what would be the disadvantage to writing a service that spawns/keeps track of multiple engines? seems a lot simpler | 16:08 |
| shardy | jasond: depends on your definition of simpler | 16:08 |
| jasond | shardy: easier to understand & therefore less buggy. not lines of code | 16:09 |
| zaneb | I believe that's called systemd :D | 16:09 |
| shardy | jasond: that is exactly what we have now, and as this discussion proves, it's not simple at all | 16:09 |
| shardy | zaneb: +1 | 16:09 |
| shardy | I'd far rather we had a single heat-engine process which $operating_system_scripts could spawn multiple times | 16:09 |
| zaneb | me too | 16:10 |
| shardy | This oslo/eventlet forking makes my head hurt | 16:10 |
| jasond | +1 | 16:10 |
| zaneb | SpamapS: is memory usage the main reason we want to fork? | 16:10 |
| shardy | SpamapS: what is your opinion on that? | 16:11 |
| SpamapS | zaneb: simplicity of the patch is the main reason I just used the num_workers bits | 16:12 |
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| SpamapS | zaneb: also "it works for nova-api" | 16:12 |
| SpamapS | but we're not nova-api :) | 16:13 |
| zaneb | nova-api is a very different beast | 16:13 |
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| zaneb | it may be a small patch, but it is not a small implementation | 16:14 |
| shardy | It's kind of unfortunate that by using the oslo Service abstractions, you end up dealing with this complexity whether you want it or not | 16:14 |
| zaneb | I would be strongly +1 on just launching multiple engines with systemd/upstart | 16:15 |
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| shardy | zaneb: there must be a shared descriptor somewhere in the eventlet Hub, because if you move the ThreadGroupManager after the fork I get 5 periodic tasks fired (with 4 workers specified), but leaving it in __init__ I only get one | 16:33 |
| shardy | I'm digging through the eventlet code trying to figure out exactly why | 16:34 |
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| zaneb | "The child does not inherit timers from its parent" <- man 2 fork | 16:36 |
| zaneb | so eventlet will have the data structures, but the underlying timer is never triggered | 16:39 |
| zaneb | shardy: ^ | 16:39 |
| zaneb | I find that a bit icky | 16:39 |
| shardy | But the "timer" implemented by oslo ThreadGroup is just a loop with a sleep in it, spawned to a greenthread | 16:39 |
| shardy | https://github.com/openstack/oslo-incubator/blob/master/openstack/common/loopingcall.py#L62 | 16:39 |
| zaneb | ok, there goes that theory | 16:39 |
| shardy | So my guess is whatever is referenced by the Hub impelementation is common between the forked processes | 16:40 |
| zaneb | common as in "shared memory"? | 16:40 |
| shardy | I'm not sure what implementation eventlet is using on my system atm | 16:41 |
| shardy | there are several | 16:41 |
| zaneb | good :/ | 16:41 |
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| SpamapS | zaneb: btw, I'm -1 on "Just run them with systemd".. that puts the onus on deployers/packagers. We can do this really easily in oslo's service code as an alternate implementation that forks/execs with a short-circuit argument that makes this work quite automatically. | 18:44 |
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| stevebaker | sdague, shardy, my plan for heat-slow stability is to get the custom image in devstack working, then we can switch to ubuntu as the test image, or a fedora with increased timeouts | 19:50 |
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| Lotus907efi | can anyone tell me where the data that is supposed to be available at http://169.254.169.254/2009-04-04/meta-data/instance-id should come from? | 21:44 |
| Lotus907efi | I have a group of overcloud systems where the cloud-init runs are not successful because although that IP is on the systems, the data that is supposed to be there is not there | 21:44 |
| Lotus907efi | I am trying to diagnose why the heat create of the overcloud failed | 21:44 |
| Lotus907efi | or better yet how I can trace back in heat to see why this failed? | 21:44 |
| Lotus907efi | when I do a "heat event-list overcloud" on the undercloud system the only error I see is an authentication error | 21:45 |
| Lotus907efi | and when I try to re-run cloud-init on one of the failed overcloud nodes by hand I see a lot of errors about: url_helper.py[WARNING]: Calling 'http://169.254.169.254/2009-04-04/meta-data/instance-id' failed [0/120s]: bad status code [404] | 21:46 |
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| Lotus907efi | i.e. the data that is supposed to be there is not there | 21:48 |
| Lotus907efi | the IP address is in the routing table | 21:48 |
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| zaneb | Lotus907efi: 169.254.169.254 is the nova metadata server | 22:07 |
| greghaynes | Sounds like it was a keystone issue | 22:08 |
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