Monday, 2014-05-26

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ramishraasalkeld: Hello Angus02:45
asalkeldhi ramishra02:47
ramishraasalkeld: have a few mins, wanted to talk about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94780/02:47
asalkeldsure02:48
ramishraasalkeld: sorry could not respond to your comments earlier.. Did u have a chance to see my comment this morning?02:49
asalkeldso ramishra that line is a nasty workaround02:49
asalkeldcomma delimited list is a string "normally"02:49
asalkeldwe should really assume that02:49
asalkeldwe should stick to the api really02:50
ramishrahttps://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/heat/engine/parameters.py#L303 does not suggest it's a String.. rather a python list02:50
asalkeldthat is saying " if it is already a list, then bail out"02:51
ramishraelse it converts it to a list.. value.split(',') returns a python list02:51
asalkeldso the input is normally a string02:52
asalkeldthe output is a list02:53
ramishrainput can be string or a list and output is  a list02:53
asalkeldyou use it like "flb, farst, foo"02:53
asalkeldramishra, the input should really only be a string02:53
asalkeldnot sure why that if list: return is there02:54
ramishradoes that mastter, what the input is... it stores it as a list..right02:54
ramishramastter/matter02:54
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asalkeldwell, in the template you specify "commadelemitedlist" but something else comes in02:55
asalkeldso you "as the template writer" use fn:split02:55
asalkeldand bam, it breaks02:55
ramishraWhen we say it is commadelimitedlist, IMO, it's expecting a list as per the way CommaDelimitedList is defines...Why should we use Fn:Split which is a string function02:57
asalkeldbecause it's a sting of comma delimited values?02:58
ramishrathe basic confusion is whether it is string or a list.. if we expect CommaDelimitedList to be a string,  we  should change it in parameter.py and leave it to the template author to convert it themselves..03:01
asalkeldramishra, I think you are getting confused about why it's converting03:02
asalkeldit's converting to list for the convience of the python code in heat03:02
asalkeldnot for the convience of a provider template03:02
asalkeldit's so in heat/engine/resources/*.py  every plugin does not have to call split()03:03
asalkeldthis is a bit of an "odd" case as it gets passed into a template03:03
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asalkeldand it starts out life as a list (property) and then needs to go into a commadelimited list03:04
asalkeldthe template writer needs to be sure of what is comming in03:04
asalkeldit really doese need to be a string03:04
ramishrafor me it's very confusing when we say it's a string but its represented as a list/stored as a list for convenience...03:05
ramishrathen we should change parameter.py so it becomes simple...03:05
asalkeldwell then each resource will have to convert03:05
asalkeld(which is a pain)03:06
openstackgerrithuangtianhua proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add OS::Glance::Image resource  https://review.openstack.org/9097603:06
asalkeldit's not that complicated:)03:06
asalkeldbut it is a motivation to eventually make properties and parameter types the same03:07
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asalkeldbut list += commadelimited list03:07
asalkeldoops03:07
asalkeldbut list != commadelimited list03:07
ramishrahmm.. IMO, then we should really change parameter.py.. it's not about being complicated, but would induce bugs like this this in the future03:09
asalkeldramishra, sure - I'd worry a bit about plugins that are not in-tree03:11
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asalkeldthat assumed a list was returned but now they got a sting03:12
asalkeld(string)03:12
asalkeldramishra, right now a comment could be a start03:12
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ramishraasalkeld: based on the implementation I assumed that commadelimitedlist is a list that has the ability to parse a string with values punctuated by commas. anyway, what I can understand from you is different, it's designed to be a string03:21
asalkeldramishra, yeah - most importantly it's what the template writer expects03:22
ramishraasalkeld: so how do you think we can fix this bug, fix the template the way I have done or look at fixing the code?03:22
asalkeldhow is the template writer going to test to see if it is a list or a string03:22
asalkeldlet me look at the bug03:23
asalkeldramishra, the dimensions should be converted here: https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/heat/engine/resources/template_resource.py#L12503:26
asalkeldadd some logs and see what is happening to them03:27
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ramishraasalkeld: they are converted by child_params()... However, the issue is they are converted back as I mentioned in the comment... with the master I can see this issue with all the parameters defined as commadelimitedlists..03:30
asalkeldsorry ramishra, I was been dense :(03:32
asalkeldyes, we need to prevent that last conversion back to list03:32
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ramishraIs it is the assumption that all cases a commadelimitedlist is a string and the template writer has to split it.. I am worried that if we fix that in parser.py this would break some of the existing templates03:35
ramishraanyway, will have a look03:35
ramishraand try it..03:35
asalkeldcool03:35
asalkeldso just to clarify :03:36
asalkeldwithout provider templates03:36
ramishraI still think we should fix parameter.py, it's very confusing and prone to bugs at the moment03:36
asalkeldwhen ever we refernce a commadelimited parameter value in a template it returns a list03:37
asalkeldinstead of a string03:37
asalkeldbecause of that conversion in parameters.py03:37
ramishrayes03:38
asalkeldramishra, I think you are right - that is *the* fix03:38
asalkeldit should do the split just to validate03:38
asalkeldbut not convert03:38
asalkeldthat is a little scary that has been in there so long03:39
asalkeldbut to me that is the root cause of the issue03:39
ramishrathis can accept lists all types and flattens them to strings..03:39
ramishraassuming that it's a string:)03:40
asalkeldcommadelimted list should only accept strings03:40
asalkeldand keep them as stings03:40
ramishrathen the heavy lifting of their conversion is left to the template writer03:40
asalkeldyeah03:40
asalkeldthis will probably need a release note03:41
asalkeld:-O03:41
ramishra:)03:41
asalkeldstevebaker, you might want to look at this too ^03:42
asalkeld(scrollback)03:42
ramishraso, if you say it only accepts strings..in case of provider template, the template writer have to convert any property to string and then pass as parameter03:43
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asalkeldsure, (this really sucks)03:43
asalkeldit sucks because parameters don't have a proper list03:44
openstackgerrithuangtianhua proposed a change to openstack/python-heatclient: Client should support stack-list for global scope  https://review.openstack.org/9479403:44
asalkeld(maybe HOT does have one now)03:44
stevebakerread the backscroll, now reading the review03:45
asalkeldstevebaker, basically we need to change commadelimited list to NOT convert the input into a list03:46
asalkeldwhich is risky but correct IMO03:46
asalkeldif you {Ref: commadelimitedlist} you get back a python list03:47
asalkeldinstead of a string03:47
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stevebakerI would expect to get a list03:48
asalkeldwhy when it's defined as a string seperated by ","03:48
asalkeldthat's what "Fn:Split" is made for03:48
stevebakerjust like I would expect to get a typed number even if the number was passed in as a string03:49
stevebakerto me, strings go into params because that is all CLIs can do, and useful typed values come out03:50
asalkeldstevebaker, we are talking about within the template03:50
stevebakeryou mean property->param mapping?03:50
asalkeldyeah03:51
asalkeldbut more generally03:51
asalkeldif you are in a template (template writer) what type do you expect when you refer to it03:52
tiantianstevebaker: would you please to review a patch about migrate to glanceclient to get image id : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94021/ Thanks.03:52
asalkeldI'd expect things like fn:select to understand a comma delimited list03:52
asalkeldbut I'd still expect a string03:52
asalkeldwe should refer to cfn docs03:52
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asalkeldramishra, I might be wrong03:58
asalkeldwe need to double check cfn docs as well03:58
asalkeldzaneb, you about?04:00
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ramishraI have checked it.. it refers to it as a list item "CidrBlock": { "Fn::Select" : [ "0", {"Ref": "DbSubnetIpBlocks"} ] }04:02
asalkeldramishra, ok - I'll remove my -104:02
stevebakerasalkeld: I think I'd prefer real structures being passed internally rather than strings which may or may not carry extra behaviours04:03
asalkeldstevebaker, I am not stressed about the internals04:04
asalkeldbut what the public structure should be04:04
asalkeldwhen you {Ref: commadelimitedlist} what exactly do you get back04:04
asalkeldand what makes sense to get back04:05
asalkeldatm it's a list04:05
asalkeldI'd honestly expect a string delimited by commas04:05
stevebakerI'd say a list. And Refing a Json should be a dict (or list, or string, depending on the contents of the json)04:05
asalkeldwell, it's a list now04:06
asalkeldand it would be scary to change04:06
stevebakerprobably Json should be used instead of CommaDelimitedList in many of these cases anyway04:06
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asalkeldstevebaker, it can't be as it's a cfn resource04:07
asalkeldnot our api to change04:07
stevebakerright04:07
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asalkeldI wrote that provider template04:08
asalkeldso it's basically a bug in my understanding of what is returned04:08
asalkeldI expect a type will return the type that it claims to be04:09
asalkeld(call me crazy)04:09
stevebakerwhat does cfn do?04:10
asalkeldit's not clear to me04:10
asalkeldfn:select handles a commadelimited list04:11
asalkeldbut not sure if it just understands both or commadelimited list converts to a list04:12
asalkeldramishra, sorry if my confusion has wasted your time04:12
stevebakerneed to take son to karate04:12
ramishraasalkeld: np.. it's a learning for me.. as I get deep into the codebase04:13
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ramishraasalkeld: I did not expect this to generate so much discussion though:) thanks04:15
asalkeldwell, it just highlighted my misunderstanding04:16
asalkeld:-"04:16
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openstackgerrithuangtianhua proposed a change to openstack/python-heatclient: Client should support stack-list for global scope  https://review.openstack.org/9479404:59
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openstackgerrithuangtianhua proposed a change to openstack/heat: Migrate to glanceclient to get image id  https://review.openstack.org/9402105:11
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cmystermorning05:48
cmysterstevebaker: any slight chance you are still here ?05:48
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/heat: Imported Translations from Transifex  https://review.openstack.org/8975006:02
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aniketgoodmorning all :)06:15
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openstackgerrithuangtianhua proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement FloatingIPAssociation resource updatable   https://review.openstack.org/9327306:28
openstackgerrithuangtianhua proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement NovaFloatingIpAssociation res updatable  https://review.openstack.org/9338906:29
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skraynevMorning all06:31
openstackgerrithuangtianhua proposed a change to openstack/heat: Migrate to glanceclient to get image id  https://review.openstack.org/9402106:32
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aniket<skraynev> i have launch a stack with autoscaling template and it is completed sucessfully,but i am unable to ping outside world from instance...any idea about this??06:46
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skraynevaniket: may be your vm with openstack deployment has not access too ?06:48
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therveGood morning!06:48
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skraynevtherve: morning ;)06:48
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aniket<skraynev> should i make changes in /etc/resolv.conf?06:49
cmystermorning06:49
skraynevaniket: from other side: if you boot instance without heat (just using nova), can you ping outside world ?06:50
cmysteraniket: depends, I wasn't here but if you use dhcp then this file gets overwritten next time it runs06:50
skraynevaniket: if you can not, so will be better to ask this question on openstack-dev06:51
aniket<skraynev> i boot an instance without heat,but i am not able to ping outside world06:52
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skraynevaniket: so, it's problem that is not related with heat. and better place for your question is openstack-dev.06:53
skraynevaniket: I suppose, it will be more useful :)06:53
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aniket<cmyster> https://paste.lugons.org/show/rVLMdnSU3qxzOhbiwinb/                   this is my /etc/network/interfaces file06:56
aniket<skraynev> ok..thanks :)06:57
openstackgerritSergey Kraynev proposed a change to openstack/heat: Making new attribute Schema mandatory  https://review.openstack.org/8955306:57
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cmysteraniket: again, I wan't here from the begining, I don't know what your issue is, but acording to the configuration file you pasted here, everytime your network interface will start, it will get its settings from dhcp, thus changing /etc/resolve.conf is futile as dhcp overwrites whatever is inside.07:00
aniket<skraynev> one more query, my system is of 8gb ram with 32bit ubuntu 12.04 LTS on it...i have fedora 86_64 bit image..and my loadbalancer.py file contains same image...but with this configuration i am not able to launch a stack sucessfully...is this a problem regarding my ubuntu version??07:00
mattoliveraunight all07:02
cmysteraniket: 32bit hosts cannot and will not run 64b guests07:02
cmysternn mattoliverau07:02
cmystermorning shardy07:03
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pas-hamorning all07:03
cmystermornin pas-ha07:04
aniket<cmyster> but when i launch a single instance with Fedora-x86_64-20-20131211.1-sda image,it is running sucessfully07:04
cmystera 64b image on a 32b host?07:05
aniketyes07:05
cmystersome CPU magic then, sorry I was unaware such things are possible.07:06
skraynevaniket: I agree with cmyster - it sounds strange, AFAIK - it's impossible to launch 64 bit image on 32 bit system07:07
cmysterskraynev: I'm googeling its voodoo to me07:07
cmysterskraynev: well... http://www.sysprobs.com/64bit-guest-os-32bit-host-os-vmware07:08
cmysterI learned something new today07:08
pas-haAFAIK it is possible to run 64 guest on 32 host if the underlying physical CPU actually supports 64-bit instructions and virtualization support is enabled07:08
pas-hahave done it myself with VirtualBox running 64-bit ubuntu on 32-bit Windows07:09
cmysterso it would seem )07:10
cmyster):07:10
cmyster...07:10
cmyster:)07:10
skraynevcmyster, pas-ha: Heh. really interesting thing.:)07:10
cmystermoar coffee...07:10
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cmysterright07:11
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cmysterso if it is possible (shocking!) then aniket I would suggest that you go over the configuration and see that the same CPU and virtualization settings are enabled for both images. Also, it can happen if the problematic image is being booted with kernel options that prevent it from booting in certain cases, but IIRC it will usually tell you why.07:13
cmysterfor instance if it detects that the host is 32bit it can just decide not to boot07:13
aniket<cmyster> ok :)07:14
aniketthankYou all07:15
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aniket<cmyster>  one more query :P07:17
cmystersure07:17
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aniketi have made changes in /etc/resolv.conf.. i have added namesever 8.8.8.8 and nameserver 8.8.2.2...with this i am not able  to ping google/outside world07:20
aniketi want to install stress command so i can scale up my stack07:20
cmysterhard to say aniket, from the link you posted earlier your nic is set up by dhcp so resolve.conf will be replaced each time. if you want to keep it a static IP, then I would suggest reading one of the many on-line guides that are relevant to the guest OS that you are running07:23
aniketis it possible to scale up a stack with some script file containing infinite loop program,so that it can increase a memory or cpu utilization?07:23
aniket<cmyster> but if i does not do network restart after changing resolv.conf,will it work?07:25
cmysteraniket: should... as for the auto-scaling, there is an old tempest test that does just that07:26
aniketok :)07:26
aniketthanks a lot cmyster07:26
cmystersure thing07:27
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skraynevtspatzier: hey07:39
tspatzierhi skraynev07:39
skraynevtspatzier: do you work on bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1321549 or I may take it ?07:39
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1321549 in heat "wrong input of number parameter will result in abnormal behavior of heat " [Medium,Incomplete]07:39
tspatzierI am not working on it. I was waiting for updates since last week it looked like it might not be reproducible.07:41
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tspatzierskraynev: If you have time feel free to take it. Please check if it makes sense to make it dependent on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94641 since the bug reports look somehow related.07:42
skraynevI can now to reproduce this bug.07:42
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skraynevskraynev: Ok. gotcha.07:43
tspatzierskraynev: So you are taking it?07:43
aniket<cmyster> are u thr?07:44
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cmysterI am07:44
skraynevtspatzier: If you do not mind ? :)07:44
tspatzierskraynev: sure, I never mind when somebody wants to help :-) Thanks!07:45
skraynevtspatzier: Ok, thanks :)07:45
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aniket<cmyster> my one stack is running sucessfully with fedora 32 bit image,but when i launch anather stack with same image it throws an error07:46
aniket<cmyster>  stack1  Create Failed  Resource Create Failed: Stackvalidationfailed: Property Error : Cesauzfwdca3: Imageid The Request You Have Made Requires Authentication. (Http 401)07:47
cmysteraniket: how are you trying to launch that 2nd stack ?07:47
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aniketthrough dashboard07:48
cmysteraniket: same template and everything (minus the stack name, that must be different)07:49
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aniket<cmyster>yes,my stack name is differnt07:50
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cmysteraniket: what version are we talking about? how did you install the system ?07:51
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aniketmy heat version is 0.2.9.1707:53
aniketi installed openstack trough devstack07:53
skraynevcmyster: *facepalm* I sometimes think, that we should add additional command for heatclient, that provide version of installed heat (not heatclient)07:55
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cmysterskraynev: that might be prudent. write a blueprint :)07:58
aniket<cmyster> :) :P07:58
aniketnow which command should i run?07:58
skraynevcmyster: heh. Will do and share ;)07:59
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cmysteraniket: sorry its hard to know, could be that the template defines the stack in such a way that it breaks something for other stacks, could be a configuration problem... could be a horizon bug08:00
cmysterunfortunately you might need to sit on it and debug it with the logs08:00
aniketok :)08:00
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pas-hahey all. I've been trying to reduce "spam" in tests outputs. The only thing that's left is "No handlers could be found for logger 'heat.config.common'" lines popping out.08:12
pas-halooks like this line https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/heat/common/config.py#L226 is responsible for those08:12
pas-habut I can't figure out how to silence it properly. Can anybody take a look?08:12
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openstackgerrithuangtianhua proposed a change to openstack/heat: Migrate to glanceclient to get image id  https://review.openstack.org/9402108:14
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aniketHi all.....09:36
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openstackgerritChristian Berendt proposed a change to openstack/heat: replace dict.iteritems() with six.iteritems(dict)  https://review.openstack.org/9547609:47
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openstackgerrithuangtianhua proposed a change to openstack/heat: Migrate to glanceclient to get image id  https://review.openstack.org/9402109:54
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openstackgerritBogdan Dobrelya proposed a change to openstack/heat: Sync kombu_reconnect_delay from Oslo  https://review.openstack.org/9548210:06
openstackgerritBogdan Dobrelya proposed a change to openstack/heat: Sync kombu_reconnect_delay from Oslo  https://review.openstack.org/9548210:11
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openstackgerritChristian Berendt proposed a change to openstack/heat: replace dict.iteritems() with six.iteritems(dict)  https://review.openstack.org/9547610:48
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aniketHi .........................11:04
cmysterhello11:05
aniketcan we launch two stack  at a time ..?11:09
cmysternot sure, but why is it needed? you can have 2x the resource in a single stack no ?11:12
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cmysterthe cli at least has no suck option. personally I have a script that does it for me for testing things, but its just a bash for loop11:13
cmystersuch*11:13
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aniketohh ok11:22
aniket<cmyster> can you suggest me some way, other than stress command,to increase a stress on either memory or CPU?11:24
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cmysteron the compute node ?11:42
cmysterthere are plenty of cli tools that does that11:42
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openstackgerritAngus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: Pass the parent's registry into child stacks  https://review.openstack.org/8622811:51
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sabcan anyone explain me how this comparision work https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/heat/scaling/template.py#L32 ?11:54
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asalkeldsab you probably want to ask radix12:06
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sabasalkeld, Thank you12:07
sabradix, are you there by any chance? :)12:08
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asalkeldhe in the us, so maybe a bit later?12:10
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openstackgerritChristian Berendt proposed a change to openstack/heat: replace dict.iteritems() with six.iteritems(dict)  https://review.openstack.org/9547612:16
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radixsab... guess I'm too late14:35
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radixit's actually a US holiday today, so I won't be around14:40
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cmysterradix: memorial day today ?14:50
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openstackgerritThomas Spatzier proposed a change to openstack/heat: Respect schema data type in constraint validation  https://review.openstack.org/9464115:36
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SushilKMhello all16:23
SushilKMneeded a small help16:23
SushilKMi was trying to update my template which had mixed content like AWS configuration as well as heat configs like OS:Nova::Server16:25
SushilKMI was trying to switch to all heat elements16:25
SushilKMproblem i m facing is when using AWS controls to create a file i was able to use AWS::CloudFormation::Init: in metadata section16:25
SushilKMbut am not able to figure out the relevant option under heat's own elements16:26
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/heat: Add missing VerifyAll calls to test_validate  https://review.openstack.org/9493317:44
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cmysterstevebaker: hey, here?21:01
asalkeldis it a US holiday today?21:05
cmysterMemorial day IIRC21:05
asalkelddoh21:06
asalkeldthanks21:06
asalkeld(joined a meeting - no one there:)21:06
cmysterheh21:07
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cmysterja I was looking for US core devs to come along, I have a list of questions but...21:07
cmysterright, nn21:08
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stevebakercmyster: hi21:13
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mattoliverauMorning all23:05
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