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| skraynev | Morning all! | 05:27 |
| mattoliverau | Morning skraynev | 05:32 |
| skraynev | hi mattoliverau | 05:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/heat: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/89750 | 06:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sergey Kraynev proposed a change to openstack/heat: Adding error message for output description https://review.openstack.org/85687 | 06:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Sergey Kraynev proposed a change to openstack/heat: Hide warning for old style attribute schema test https://review.openstack.org/96755 | 06:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sergey Kraynev proposed a change to openstack/heat: Adding validation algorithm for get attr functions https://review.openstack.org/82488 | 06:29 |
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| pas-ha | morning all | 06:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Set rollback status early in update if triggered https://review.openstack.org/92371 | 06:57 |
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| therve | Good morning! | 07:06 |
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| pas-ha | therve, morning | 07:14 |
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| mattoliverau | Good night all | 07:32 |
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| pas-ha | hi guys, hav a a question about mocks - I need to patch a method in an object to check the call arguments, but still need the original method to execute without changes. any ideas how to do it? | 07:44 |
| therve | Call the original method separately, and return the result in the side effect | 07:51 |
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| pas-ha | therve, id does not return, it is stack.set_state | 07:52 |
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| therve | It's weird that you have to check that it's called | 07:53 |
| therve | The end result should be enough | 07:53 |
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| pas-ha | therve, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/92371/ - Clint asks for unit test | 07:56 |
| therve | pas-ha, Try to have way to check that the state is rollback during the rollback | 07:58 |
| therve | Maybe using a custom resource class | 07:58 |
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| pas-ha | therve, ok, will try smth out | 08:03 |
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| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: setuptools upstream has broken the world. it's a known issue. we're hoping that a solution materializes soon | 08:29 | |
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| * SpamapS looks at the clock and curses the gods of jet lag | 08:38 | |
| SpamapS | Cores: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/heat+branch:master+topic:typeless-function-plugins,n,z <-- this is really great work and an insanely long string of patches. Please review ASAP. | 08:39 |
| SpamapS | I'd like to base some new stuff off of it. | 08:39 |
| shardy | SpamapS: will do | 08:40 |
| shardy | SpamapS: FYI I spent all Friday looking at the trust re-auth thing ref bug #1306294 | 08:41 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1306294 in tripleo "Heat fails to re-authenticate when faced with authentication failure during stack operations" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1306294 | 08:41 |
| shardy | SpamapS: will require a couple of changes to keystonclient, but should have the heat patches posted today | 08:41 |
| SpamapS | shardy: Thank you. It really is quite important and I very much appreciate any time you spend on it, especially since you're quite the expert here. :) | 08:42 |
| shardy | SpamapS: as is traditional, I immediately hit missing stuff and bugs in keystone, but I'm working through those ;) | 08:42 |
| SpamapS | doh | 08:44 |
| SpamapS | shardy: while I have your attention. I'm wondering if I missed something regarding the heat-specs repo. Would love to see more feedback on the drafting convergence specs but only Mike Spreitzer seems to be commenting. | 08:48 |
| shardy | SpamapS: Ah, I've not yet looked at that review queue, sorry | 08:49 |
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| * shardy adds it to the TODO list | 08:49 | |
| SpamapS | NP .. not like we don't need reviews across the board. :) | 08:50 |
| SpamapS | shardy: we should start seeing some newcomers from HP's India offices doing reviews and patches. :) | 08:50 |
| SpamapS | I failed to get a list of their IRC nicks.. so hopefully they'll pipe up :) | 08:50 |
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| shardy | SpamapS: excellent, yup get them to say hi in here and we can help with any questions they may have | 08:51 |
| SpamapS | shardy: they're most happy that there will be a meeting that isn't at 0130 for them. ;) | 08:51 |
| shardy | SpamapS: ++ yeah the new alt time is better for me too | 08:51 |
| shardy | Wow 25 patches in a series | 08:55 |
| SpamapS | shardy: yeah, there ought to be a law. ;) | 08:58 |
| SpamapS | shardy: but they're _really_ good.. and they lay a nice groundwork for some of the early POC stuff I'm doing with having an observer. | 08:59 |
| shardy | Yeah, I'm not going to fully re-review stuff you've already approved, but they all look good from a quick scan | 09:00 |
| shardy | I'll come back to the remainder of the queue later today | 09:01 |
| SpamapS | sweet | 09:02 |
| SpamapS | ok... actual sleepiness has arrived.. praise the flying spaghetti monster. :) | 09:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Set rollback status early in update if triggered https://review.openstack.org/92371 | 09:27 |
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| pas-ha | guys, could someone check the https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94622/9, specifically last jasond comment. I would like to get more input on having properties marked as required but having conflicts make that much no sense. | 09:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement resize of Cinder volumes https://review.openstack.org/96129 | 09:56 |
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| pas-ha | another question - what is our policy on introducing new "heat" code (not client) that is clearly not Py3 compatible? should one be aware of that? | 10:19 |
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| shardy | pas-ha: I think jasond is right, and you probably have to solve it for Parameters too (via ParameterGroups?) or it will be impossible to map the conflicts between resources and nested stacks (e.g provider resources) | 10:45 |
| shardy | pas-ha: There have been many patches moving towards py3 compatibility, so I'd suggest -1ing any patch if it's clearly incompatible | 10:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rabi Mishra proposed a change to openstack/heat: Fix default template for AWS::CloudWatch::Alarm with Ceilometer https://review.openstack.org/94780 | 11:04 |
| ramishra_ | shardy,asalkeld,stevebaker : pl review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94780/ when you have some time to spare | 11:09 |
| shardy | ramishra_: will do, thanks! | 11:11 |
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| pas-ha | looks like new setuptools wrecked the gate again :( | 12:17 |
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| pas-ha | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1325514 | 12:24 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1325514 in tempest "'unicode' does not have the buffer interface" [Undecided,New] | 12:24 |
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| skraynev | pas-ha: yes, and AFAIK it's not fixed yet :( | 13:06 |
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| pas-ha | skraynev, it should be fixed in setuptools itself, or we need somehow pin the setuptools verison to 3.6 on the gate | 13:26 |
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| aniket_ | hi <elynn> | 13:38 |
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| afaranha | DId someone get this error before "Error: Resource CREATE failed: WaitConditionTimeout: 0 of 1 received" ? | 13:39 |
| aniket_ | <afaranha> which flavor are you using? | 13:40 |
| afaranha | aniket_: I'm not specifying it, I'm following this example: http://openstack.redhat.com/Deploy_an_application_with_Heat | 13:41 |
| afaranha | But I think it's not RAM problem | 13:41 |
| afaranha | Last week I got another error that was due to not enough memory RAM, now its WaitConditionTimeout problem | 13:41 |
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| afaranha | I'm running with this command: 'heat stack-create wordpress --template-file=WordPress_Composed_Instances.template --parameters="DBUsername=wp;DBPassword=wp;KeyName=userkey;LinuxDistribution=F17"' | 13:43 |
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| afaranha | Actually the problem is here: "MySqlWaitCondition | AWS::CloudFormation::WaitCondition | CREATE_FAILED | 2014-06-02T12:37:57Z" | 13:44 |
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| shardy | afaranha: Either the timeout is just expiring (is your internet connection quite slow?), heat is misconfigured (check heat_waitcondition_server_url is set appropriately in /etc/heat/heat.conf), or you have a network issue (firewall?) which is preventing the instance from signalling via the tcp port 8000 | 13:49 |
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| afaranha | I'll check that, thanks | 13:49 |
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| afaranha | maybe its the firewall or the heat.conf | 13:50 |
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| aniket | hi all | 13:51 |
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| afaranha | shardy: the heat_waitcondition_server_url is set to http://10.1.0.15:8000/v1/waitcondition and trying to access it I got a XML like this: "<Message>The request signature does not conform to AWS standards</Message><Code>IncompleteSignature</Code><Type>Sender</Type>" | 13:56 |
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| aniket | <shardy> hi shardy | 13:57 |
| shardy | afaranha: You have to access it via a reference to a WaitConditionHandle resource, as in the example templates, as you need a request signature to allow the API to authenticate the request | 13:58 |
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| afaranha | ah, ok | 13:58 |
| shardy | afaranha: If you check the cloud-init logs, you should see a curl call which you can cut/paste to re-try the wait condition signalling | 13:58 |
| shardy | aniket: hello | 13:59 |
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| aniket | <shardy> i used cloudwatch alarm in my template with memalarm scale-up 3% for 30 seconds and 1% for 30seconds scale down...with such small load,it is not able to scaling up | 14:01 |
| aniket | <shardy>any idea abt this? | 14:01 |
| aniket | <shardy> i used cfntools alarm | 14:02 |
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| shardy | aniket: do you have hundreds of instances in your autoscaling group? | 14:02 |
| aniket | nope | 14:02 |
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| shardy | Then scaling up by 3% probably doesn't make sense, if I'm understanding you correctly? | 14:03 |
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| aniket | <shardy> autoscaling group..you means to say server-group? | 14:05 |
| aniket | i tried different combinations for scaling up and down...but its not working | 14:06 |
| shardy | aniket: I'd check the heat-engine log and look for errors | 14:07 |
| aniket | http://paste.openstack.org/show/82443/ | 14:07 |
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| shardy | aniket: if you're using cfn-push-stats, then your MetricName is wrong | 14:10 |
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| shardy | it should be MemoryUtilization not MemUtilization | 14:10 |
| shardy | https://github.com/openstack/heat-cfntools/blob/master/bin/cfn-push-stats#L137 | 14:11 |
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| aniket | <shardy>ok..i am changing it...thanks :) | 14:14 |
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| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: setuptools issue was fixed in upstream in 3.7.1 and 4.0.1, please, recheck on bug 1325514 | 14:14 | |
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| openstackgerrit | Vijendar Komalla proposed a change to openstack/heat: Include parameter name in error message https://review.openstack.org/97264 | 15:16 |
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| therve | zaneb, Hi, do you have 5 to talk about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95993 ? | 15:36 |
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| zaneb | therve: sure do | 15:36 |
| therve | zaneb, So, why is ResourceDefinition a mapping? | 15:37 |
| therve | Backward compatibility? | 15:37 |
| zaneb | I believe that's explained in the docstring ;) | 15:37 |
| therve | Uh there is a docstring which seems to just explain :/ | 15:37 |
| zaneb | but in a word, yes | 15:37 |
| therve | Sorry | 15:37 |
| zaneb | np :D | 15:37 |
| zaneb | it's a transitional thing, all of the resources are still expecting template snippets at this point | 15:38 |
| zaneb | that's mostly fixed in this patch series | 15:39 |
| therve | The patch looks good otherwise, a big on the big side I guess :) | 15:39 |
| zaneb | there's a few places still using parsed_template() | 15:39 |
| zaneb | the hardest one to fix is the diff that is passed in to handle_update | 15:40 |
| zaneb | although that shouldn't really be used for anything any more | 15:40 |
| zaneb | since you've fixed all the allowed_update_keys stuff :) | 15:41 |
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| therve | \o/ | 15:41 |
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| zaneb | that's why I was pretty excited to see that change ;) | 15:42 |
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| mspreitz | Stupid question here: in a file directory I have a template A, with a nested stack that uses template B (also a file in the same directory). Is there a way to write that reference, and create A, so that this works? | 18:55 |
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| mspreitz | The reference in question is how the stack resource in A references template B | 18:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/heat: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/96507 | 19:00 |
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| afaranha | shardy: THe firewall is open, I'm stuck in this bug | 20:31 |
| afaranha | https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1088746 | 20:31 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1088746 in heat/grizzly "cfn-signal waitcondition fails due to URL quoting" [Undecided,Fix released] | 20:31 |
| afaranha | but the solution is error 404 | 20:32 |
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| afaranha | THis github doesn't exist anymore: "Ah, already fixed https://github.com/heat-api/heat-jeos/commit/305f6753abdc9459305cc9c8d21cc17d2d39778b" | 20:38 |
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| stevebaker | morning | 21:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Vijendar Komalla proposed a change to openstack/heat: Fix early resource property value validation https://review.openstack.org/93080 | 21:14 |
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| mspreitz | SpamapS: are you there? | 21:30 |
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| mspreitz | zaneb: are you there? | 21:31 |
| zaneb | o/ | 21:31 |
| mspreitz | zaneb: SpamapS mentioned that he was going to do some synching up with you on the convergence work. Has that happened? I am a little unclear on the relationship between your work on the topic and HP's. | 21:32 |
| zaneb | mspreitz: he's been travelling and meeting with his team in Bangalore, so we haven't really discussed it | 21:33 |
| mspreitz | Is there a short, sharp summary of where you are on the topic? | 21:33 |
| zaneb | basically think of what I'm doing as the short-term fix | 21:33 |
| zaneb | "make what we have now work more robustly" | 21:33 |
| zaneb | convergence is a long-term shift to a different model | 21:33 |
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| mspreitz | What's the model you're using? | 21:34 |
| zaneb | user calls stack-update, Heat compares new template with previous template, makes changes | 21:35 |
| mspreitz | And what's the robustness improvement you are making within that model? | 21:35 |
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| zaneb | if anything fails we have no way of recovering beyond the immediate rollback | 21:38 |
| zaneb | because the stack is in a "mixed" state, and we only have the old template and the new template to look at | 21:39 |
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| mspreitz | That sounds like the problem statement. What's the short term improvement? | 21:40 |
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| mspreitz | zaneb: I am wondering what you plan to improve while staying within the model you cited. | 21:42 |
| zaneb | the improvement is to update the 'current' template as we make modifications | 21:42 |
| mspreitz | Oh! That changes asymptotic complexity from O(N) to O(N^2) | 21:43 |
| mspreitz | (assuming you persist each change) | 21:44 |
| mspreitz | If you're willing to not worry about engine crash, you could just persist at the end | 21:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Vijendar Komalla proposed a change to openstack/heat: Include parameter name in error message https://review.openstack.org/97264 | 21:45 |
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| zaneb | mspreitz: well, right now we don't record _any_ change in a granular way, even in-memory | 21:49 |
| zaneb | so the first step is to fix that | 21:49 |
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| mspreitz | so the short-term improvement is to update the current template in memory, persist at the end, right? | 21:49 |
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| mspreitz | zaneb: so the short-term improvement is to update the current template in memory, persist at the end, right? How is that coming along? | 21:56 |
| zaneb | that's certainly step 1 | 21:57 |
| zaneb | I suspect we might want to persist as we go | 21:58 |
| zaneb | the ResourceDefinition stuff is a prerequisite to this, and should make implementing the first part of the problem pretty simple | 21:58 |
| zaneb | and merging of that appears imminent | 21:59 |
| zaneb | I'm aiming for before the j-2 milestone to get it all done | 21:59 |
| mspreitz | zaneb: if you persist as you go, you have to serialize the whole template for each resource update, changing the asymptotic complexity from O(N) to O(N^2), right? | 21:59 |
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| zaneb | the expensive thing is DB calls | 22:00 |
| zaneb | so I'd say it goes from O(1) to O(n) | 22:00 |
| zaneb | can't think of anything that would be n^2 | 22:01 |
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| mspreitz | Total amount of data written to the DB goes from O(N) to O(N^2) if you persist the whole template at every resource update | 22:02 |
| mspreitz | N being number of resources in the template | 22:02 |
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| zaneb | I guess if you're counting bytes on the wire, that's probably true | 22:04 |
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| mspreitz | zaneb: each byte on the wire has some CPU cost, as does each object cycled through the dynamic memory management. Clint and others are worried about large templates. | 22:09 |
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| zaneb | Clint is also worried about robustness, and in particular TripleO needs to be able to kill the engine at any time | 22:10 |
| mspreitz | zaneb: right, I'm not arguing that the short-term fix should solve all problems | 22:11 |
| mspreitz | zaneb: I'm a little worried about it making something worse | 22:11 |
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| zaneb | we'll just have to suck it and see | 22:12 |
| mspreitz | zaneb: in particular, if you are not worried about engine crash, persist only at the end should be a strict improvement | 22:12 |
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| mspreitz | zaneb: sure, let's evaluate once we have it in hand | 22:12 |
| zaneb | that's true, but I think we are worried about that | 22:13 |
| mspreitz | zaneb: I think persist-as-you-go vs. persist-at-the-end is a small enough difference that doing either one first is a fine place to start. | 22:13 |
| mspreitz | But I will want to evaluate wrt runtime cost | 22:14 |
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| zaneb | even large templates are not that large in the scheme of things... the big cost so far is in calling the DB at all. persisting at each step means we go from N+1 to 2N calls, we'll have to see what the effect of that is in practical terms | 22:15 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb: it might be worth reminding folk that heat-slow must pass before a heat change is approved | 22:30 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: I thought heat-slow was broken atm? | 22:30 |
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| stevebaker | it is merely unreliable. I'm not sure of the exact numbers. This change however broke it proper https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94217/ | 22:32 |
| stevebaker | fixed by therve https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96747/ | 22:32 |
| mspreitz | stevebaker: pls remind me what "must" means. How did that change get merged? | 22:33 |
| stevebaker | mspreitz: its up to the developer, or whoever notices, to comment "recheck bug xxx" until heat-slow passes | 22:33 |
| mspreitz | stevebaker: If I understand, your statement is a constraint on approver behavior, not a statement about automoton behavior | 22:33 |
| mspreitz | stevebaker: Is the requirement for heat-slow to pass automated? | 22:34 |
| stevebaker | mspreitz: once heat-slow is reliable again, it can go back to voting and this won't be an issue | 22:34 |
| mspreitz | stevebaker: Ah, I understand | 22:34 |
| mspreitz | thanks | 22:34 |
| zaneb | mspreitz: yeah, it's not so reliable that we can make it gating, nor so unreliable that we can ignore it :/ | 22:34 |
| stevebaker | zaneb, sdague, actual failure rate of heat-slow is ~20%. That is not a cost I would want to impose on the rest of the projects, but maybe we could make it voting only for heat changes? | 22:50 |
| zaneb | I would take that | 22:50 |
| zaneb | do we know what's causing the 20%? it's not actually Heat bugs right, just stuff timing out? | 22:51 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb: generally slow test nodes, causing fedora boot logind (and everything after it) to time out | 22:55 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: custom images will allow a switch to ubuntu, or increase logind timout conf | 22:55 |
| zaneb | right now we're using the Fedora cloud images? | 22:56 |
| stevebaker | yep, vanilla upstream f20, which happens to have heat-cfntools | 22:56 |
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| zaneb | so we're kind of back to where we were last year, where we can't become gating because we need a custom image built. sigh. | 22:58 |
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| mattoliverau | Morning | 23:01 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb: at least I have a working patch series now. But we're also back where we were last year in that I depend on unreleased pip fixes :/ | 23:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mike Spreitzer proposed a change to openstack/heat-templates: Added simple samples that exercise autoscaling https://review.openstack.org/97366 | 23:22 |
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| SpamapS | mspreitz: I"m here now | 23:27 |
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| mspreitz | SpamapS: Hi | 23:29 |
| mspreitz | SpamapS: I was wondering about the reln between your work on Convergence and what Zane is doing. I chatted with him here, and now I understand. Thanks. | 23:29 |
| mspreitz | At least, I understand at a rough level. | 23:30 |
| mspreitz | Good enough for me for now. | 23:30 |
| SpamapS | mspreitz: Right I read the backscroll. | 23:30 |
| mspreitz | I need to study the code more before I say more on the topic. | 23:31 |
| SpamapS | mspreitz: and I tend to agree with your assessment of the increase in complexity, but I think the overall cost increase is negligible. | 23:31 |
| mspreitz | And now, for something completely different. Who has tested a scale-down policy on an OS::Heat::AutoScalingGroup ? | 23:31 |
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| mspreitz | I have been hitting them with `curl`, and rarely get what I expect. | 23:31 |
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| SpamapS | mspreitz: Once we're persisting everything during the workflow based update, it will be a less invasive change to change that from persisting the whole template, to persisting per-resource snippets. | 23:33 |
| mspreitz | SpamapS: I'll reserve comment on that until I study the code some more | 23:34 |
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| SpamapS | mspreitz: ACK, it has taken me a while to wrap my head around things. Also, I do think you are on to something with persisting the observed properties from the observer. | 23:35 |
| mspreitz | So now I'm on a different topic, anyone can answer. Who has tested a scale-down policy on an OS::Heat::AutoScalingGroup ? | 23:36 |
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| stevebaker | mspreitz: this tests aws autoscaling resources, but is waiting for reliable gate to finish off https://review.openstack.org/#/c/44967/ | 23:40 |
| stevebaker | mspreitz: "finish off" would also mean moving to OS::Heat resources | 23:41 |
| mspreitz | OK, that will be great when it is in place. | 23:42 |
| mspreitz | In my own testing, good results have been rare. I am wondering if I am an exception in this regard. | 23:42 |
| mspreitz | Looks like nobody present has done such teseting. I will investigate some more, later. Gotta go now. | 23:44 |
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