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| openstackgerrit | Thomas Herve proposed a change to openstack/heat: Port to oslo.messaging https://review.openstack.org/99648 | 00:01 |
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| therve | But that's interesting that you're looking at that problem | 00:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Anderson Mesquita proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add resource attrs and properties to stack-preview https://review.openstack.org/94479 | 00:02 |
| therve | I thought we pretty much considered that too hard a problem to solve in heat | 00:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Randall Burt proposed a change to openstack/heat: Refactor OS::Nova::Server delete handling https://review.openstack.org/99800 | 00:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/python-heatclient: Add option to show soft-deleted stacks in stack-list https://review.openstack.org/84520 | 00:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Restore resource metadata attribute https://review.openstack.org/96618 | 00:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thomas Herve proposed a change to openstack/heat: Port to oslo.messaging https://review.openstack.org/99648 | 01:38 |
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| elynn | morning all ! | 02:04 |
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| tiantian | morning all:) | 02:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ton Ngo proposed a change to openstack/heat-specs: Stack breakpoint specification https://review.openstack.org/99734 | 02:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed a change to openstack/heat: Expose stack limits API https://review.openstack.org/99589 | 02:43 |
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| tiantian | <stevebaker>: Hi Steve Baker: I have add some comments according to shardy's suggestion about the floatingip updatable patch. Would you please to approve this again:) Thanks very much.https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93389/ | 02:52 |
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| stevebaker | tiantian: done | 02:54 |
| tiantian | <stevebaker>: thanks :) | 02:55 |
| tiantian | <stevebaker>: add would you please to review the patches of add-quota-api-for-heat bp when you have time:) Thanks | 02:57 |
| tiantian | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96696/ | 02:57 |
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| elynn | hi stevebaker, do you have time to review my patches to heat-cfntools? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93270/ https://review.openstack.org/96401 | 03:06 |
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| tiantian | <stevebaker>: There is no cinder volume backup resource in heat, I want to add cinder volume backup resource, I'm not sure need I to do the same as snapshot stack(backup stack)? I have register a bp: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/add-cinder-backup-resource. your suggestions? thanks very much | 04:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat: Support of regional endpoinds using Keystone v2 https://review.openstack.org/97292 | 04:39 |
| SpamapS | therve: Ok, I wasn't sure about the debug logging having i18n. Thanks. :) | 04:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/python-heatclient: Don't allow "propagate" of heatclient logger https://review.openstack.org/96391 | 04:46 |
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| aniket_ | goodmorning all | 05:15 |
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| aniket_ | <shardy>hi | 05:17 |
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| aniket_ | <shardy>can you send me a link of your blog regarding 'Nested stack'? | 05:18 |
| aniket_ | <shardy>got it :) | 05:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/heat: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/89750 | 06:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mike Spreitzer proposed a change to openstack/heat-templates: Added simple samples that exercise autoscaling https://review.openstack.org/97366 | 06:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Qiming Teng proposed a change to openstack/heat: Instructions on image creation for SoftwareConfig. https://review.openstack.org/99859 | 06:48 |
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| aniket_ | <shardy> are you there? | 07:32 |
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| aniket_ | I m getting error while launching a stack this "http://paste.openstack.org/show/83922/" and it showing error "Resource Create Failed: Neutronclientexception: 404 Not Found The Resource Could Not Be Found."anyone help me on this | 07:41 |
| pas-ha | morning all | 07:45 |
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| therve | aniket_, More information would be nice, but if I had to guess you're missing the load balancer extension from neutron | 07:46 |
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| pas-ha | hi all, I'm getting this strange error while running unittests on latest master - http://paste.openstack.org/show/83923/ | 07:52 |
| pas-ha | the tests pass though. | 07:52 |
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| therve | pas-ha, Ah, thank I ended up fixing it in my patch because I thought they were new | 07:59 |
| therve | pas-ha, It's just noise because threads AFAICT | 07:59 |
| pas-ha | therve, probably, as now I see it is sporadic | 08:00 |
| pas-ha | I just wonder would the gate pass if it happens, as the gate also checks for ERROR in logs? | 08:01 |
| therve | In this case it should | 08:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add log output of x-openstack-request-id from nova https://review.openstack.org/99864 | 08:13 |
| pas-ha | Could somebody please take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1324366 ? I would like to hear some thoughts on my last comment. | 08:15 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1324366 in python-heatclient "disable_rollback will change to true although we don't specify it when stack-update" [Undecided,In progress] | 08:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement OS::Sahara::Cluster resource https://review.openstack.org/72336 | 08:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement OS::Sahara::Cluster resource https://review.openstack.org/72336 | 08:41 |
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| kashyapk | Hello! | 08:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat-templates: Remove misleading OS choices from legacy F17 examples https://review.openstack.org/97486 | 08:51 |
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| aniket_ | <therve >what changes should i do....................... ???? | 09:01 |
| therve | aniket_, Well either enable neutron load balancer, or don't use it | 09:02 |
| kashyapk | Hi guys! is there a place where I can see what features HOT has missing that CNF can do? | 09:03 |
| therve | kashyapk, Not explicitely. But there shouldn't much, if anything | 09:06 |
| aniket_ | <therve>can you explain me about pool_id? | 09:08 |
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| therve | aniket_, Explain what? | 09:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thomas Herve proposed a change to openstack/heat: Port to oslo.messaging https://review.openstack.org/99648 | 09:10 |
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| kashyapk | Ok thank you. Which kind of template do you suggest I use? Will HOT become more powerful than cloudformation over time? | 09:11 |
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| Qiming | kashyapk, you may want to use HOT (.yaml) when possible because no new features are actively developed for CFN (.template) | 09:13 |
| Qiming | unless portability to AWS CFN is a must for you | 09:14 |
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| kashyapk | Thanks Qiming and therve. Is there a way to easily convert between the two formats? | 09:17 |
| therve | We don't have a tool, but writing one shouldn't be hard | 09:18 |
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| kashyapk | Cool | 09:19 |
| Qiming | kashyapk, there is a tool (cfn-json2yaml) that helps convert '.template' format to '.yaml', located under heat/tools/ | 09:23 |
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| shardy | Qiming: That just renders the json file as yaml IIRC, it's not a conversion to hot, although it would probably be a useful initial step when converting from CFN to hot | 09:27 |
| Qiming | right, shardy. It only helps save some energy. Thanks for pointing that out. | 09:28 |
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| kashyapk | So the .template files are first rendered into yaml and then heat does its stuff? | 09:33 |
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| shardy | kashyapk: Heat supports three template formats, CFN JSON (AWSTemplateFormatVersion), yaml rendered CFN (HeatTemplateFormatVersion) and HOT (heat_template_version) | 09:36 |
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| shardy | HeatTemplateFormatVersion basically only exists because some folks preferred writing yaml CFN templates before HOT existed | 09:37 |
| shardy | https://github.com/openstack/heat-templates has examples of all three | 09:38 |
| kashyapk | Awesome! thanks shardy | 09:39 |
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| mandira | Hi all | 10:33 |
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| mandira | I m getting error while launching a stack....ERROR.."NeutronClientException: 404 Not Found The resource could not be found. "can anyone help me in this .? | 10:35 |
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| sorantis | shardy: Hi! I wanted to ask about stack deployment from a remote template. (the URL option) | 11:19 |
| sorantis | Will this option be removed? | 11:19 |
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| shardy | sorantis: Yes it probably will be removed in the v2 API | 11:24 |
| shardy | sorantis: python-heatclient downloads any templates specified by URL and adds them to the body of the create/update request | 11:24 |
| shardy | which is a better and more secure pattern than having the heat service hit random user provided URL, IMO | 11:25 |
| sorantis | shardy: makes perfect sense | 11:25 |
| sorantis | what happens with nested templates then? | 11:26 |
| shardy | sorantis: python-heatclient downloads everything including all nested templates and adds them to the files section of the request body | 11:26 |
| shardy | sorantis: For folks using python-heatclient the API change should have zero impact | 11:27 |
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| sorantis | shardy: ok. hope I got this right | 11:28 |
| sorantis | python-heatclient will still fetch everything from remote URLs and then include in the deployment | 11:28 |
| shardy | yes, exactly | 11:29 |
| shardy | The only impact will be for any folks using the API directly and passing template_url | 11:29 |
| sorantis | so basically this change will only affect Horizon | 11:29 |
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| shardy | sorantis: possibly, I've been working with jomara to figure out the solution to bug #1322258, after which horizon should be using the files section anyway in a similar way to python-heatclient | 11:30 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1322258 in horizon "Heat environments don't work for local files" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1322258 | 11:30 |
| shardy | So by the time we get a v2 API I would expect the impact on horizon to be zero or minimal | 11:30 |
| sorantis | I was thinking of the following use-case. Suppose I have all my templates locally. I could package them in a tar archive and feed Horizon or python-heatclient. | 11:32 |
| sorantis | Does this UC make sense? | 11:32 |
| sorantis | to* | 11:32 |
| shardy | I suppose we could support that, but the first thing python-heatclient will have to do is untar them | 11:33 |
| sorantis | shardy: that’s right. This is the case when I don’t want to host my application templates somewhere else. So for me it makes more sense to work with an archive of my templates | 11:35 |
| sorantis | I can deploy my application via horizon or the heat client equally | 11:35 |
| shardy | sorantis: Ok, personally I would not find that feature useful as I prefer to manage templates via revision control, e.g git, so the archive is just a directory on a branch or whatever | 11:37 |
| shardy | sorantis: I suppose the tarball interface might be useful for non-template-developer users though | 11:38 |
| shardy | although I would expect them to consume pre-tested templates from some repository, e.g probably glance | 11:39 |
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| sorantis | shardy: the tarball interface may also be usefull when python-heatclient can’t access files because it sits behind the proxy, or for some other reason | 11:41 |
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| sorantis | say it doesn’t have access to the network where the revision control resides | 11:41 |
| sorantis | I can write a blueprint for this so we could continue this discussion with others who might be interested in this | 11:44 |
| shardy | sorantis: sure, feel free to raise a python-heatclient blueprint :) | 11:44 |
| sorantis | is this the place where to put it? https://github.com/openstack/heat-specs | 11:45 |
| shardy | Hmm, I'm not sure - I though we were still using blueprints for python-heatclient, but maybe check with zaneb | 11:46 |
| shardy | s/though/thought | 11:46 |
| sorantis | shardy: I’ve got some other blueprint related to heat that I’d like to push later on. I guess https://github.com/openstack/heat-specs would be the right place? | 11:47 |
| shardy | sorantis: Yes, for heat changes, I'm just not sure about python-heatclient | 12:05 |
| sorantis | shardy: ok, I’ll check with zaneb. Thanks! :) | 12:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add log output of x-openstack-request-id from nova https://review.openstack.org/99864 | 12:14 |
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| chmouel | hey there, i'd like to make the docker contrib plugin to automatically pull docker images (i.e: http://sprunge.us/OCOB ) should I fill this in a blueprint or a bug would be enouhg? | 12:27 |
| chmouel | (that patch is just an example not what i will be sending :)) | 12:27 |
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| therve | chmouel, Do you know if docker works with eventlet? | 12:31 |
| therve | Wondering if that pull is async or not | 12:32 |
| chmouel | therve: the python library? that's a good question... | 12:32 |
| therve | Regarding bug/bp, I don't know what we do for things in contrib | 12:33 |
| therve | zaneb should tell you | 12:33 |
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| mandira | <therve >now i m getting new error "StackValidationFailed: Could not fetch remote template 'lb_server.yaml': Invalid URL scheme "in my template "paste.openstack.org/show/83936/" | 12:43 |
| therve | mandira, Can you not put quotes around URLs? it makes it non clickable | 12:43 |
| mandira | http://paste.openstack.org/show/83936/ | 12:44 |
| therve | mandira, You need to use a recent heatclient, and have lb_server.yaml file in the same directory as your template | 12:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add log output of x-openstack-request-id from nova https://review.openstack.org/99864 | 12:46 |
| mandira | <therve>i m launching stack through dashboard | 12:46 |
| therve | mandira, It doesn't support this yet | 12:46 |
| shardy | mandira: see bug #1322258 | 12:47 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1322258 in horizon "Heat environments don't work for local files" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1322258 | 12:47 |
| mandira | ok got it .. | 12:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dimitri Mazmanov proposed a change to openstack/heat-specs: Encryption/decryption of sections in a HOT template. https://review.openstack.org/99930 | 12:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dimitri Mazmanov proposed a change to openstack/heat-specs: Encryption/decryption of sections in a HOT template. https://review.openstack.org/99931 | 13:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Dimitri Mazmanov proposed a change to openstack/heat-specs: Encryption/decryption of sections in a HOT template. https://review.openstack.org/99931 | 13:08 |
| * shardy was already reviewing 99930 | 13:10 | |
| shardy | sigh | 13:10 |
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| mandira | <therve><shardy>i m launching stack through terminal..but it showing error ERROR: The Parameter (subnet_id) was not provided.... | 13:19 |
| therve | mandira, Sounds pretty explicit | 13:19 |
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| mandira | this command i m running in my terminal http://paste.openstack.org/show/83937/ | 13:20 |
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| therve | You put a , instead of a ; | 13:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Convert service.py to use_stored_context https://review.openstack.org/99731 | 13:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat: parser.Stack add use_stored_context option https://review.openstack.org/99730 | 13:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Allow passing an existing user_creds_id to parser.Stack https://review.openstack.org/99729 | 13:29 |
| mandira | <therve>http://paste.openstack.org/show/83941/ | 13:30 |
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| mandira | <therve>http://paste.openstack.org/show/83942/ | 13:35 |
| mandira | <therve>u there? | 13:35 |
| therve | yeah | 13:36 |
| mandira | <therve>http://paste.openstack.org/show/83942/ | 13:36 |
| zaneb | sorantis, shardy: use heat-specs, I think | 13:36 |
| therve | mandira, And? | 13:37 |
| mandira | http://paste.openstack.org/show/83941/ | 13:37 |
| mandira | this is error | 13:37 |
| therve | mandira, I can help, but you need to try a bit :/ | 13:38 |
| zaneb | chmouel: a bug should be fine. the docker plugin is just a toy anyway | 13:38 |
| chmouel | zaneb: what do you mean by toy? | 13:38 |
| mandira | <therve> :P | 13:38 |
| mandira | <therve> i tried..some changes...but not getting | 13:39 |
| mandira | i am trying | 13:39 |
| therve | mandira, Read the error. You have everything you need in the message | 13:39 |
| zaneb | chmouel: I mean it's not multitenant, and hence useless in real clouds | 13:39 |
| zaneb | Docker is awesome, but it needs to be behind Nova or some other keystone-authenticated multitenant service for it to become a proper part of OpenStack | 13:40 |
| therve | zaneb, You can deploy docker directly in the stack you create | 13:41 |
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| sorantis | zaneb: ok | 13:46 |
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| mandira | <therve>ERROR: Property error : autoscaleserver: key_name Error validating value u'key': The Key (key) could not be found. | 13:49 |
| therve | mandira, What do you think? | 13:51 |
| mandira | <therve>i m not getting thats why i m asking | 13:51 |
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| mandira | <therve>i changed key name in parameter for both file even though i m getting that error | 13:53 |
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| therve | mandira, The key you're passing doesn't exist | 13:55 |
| mandira | <therve>but the key is present in my downloads file | 13:56 |
| therve | mandira, It's supported to be a nova keypair | 13:57 |
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| jdob | anyone around who can help me with a few questions on how the heat client uploads an environment to heat? | 14:00 |
| mandira | <therve>i didnot get you | 14:00 |
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| shardy | jdob: yup | 14:05 |
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| jdob | shardy: hopefully this should be a simple "Yup, that's how it works". from what I've heard, on a stack create with an environment, the client will take an environment and concatenate all of its files into a single JSON document that's sent to heat | 14:06 |
| jdob | is that correct? | 14:06 |
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| shardy | jdob: nearly, we populate the "files" dict with the body for each file referenced in the environment | 14:08 |
| afaranha | Hello, I have a virtual machine running devstack with neutron ( http://paste.openstack.org/show/83943/ ), I can create instances and they are accessible by ssh, but when I run heat MultiNode template ( https://raw.githubusercontent.com/openstack/heat-templates/master/cfn/deb/MultiNode_DevStack.yaml ) it raises error: "Resource CREATE failed: WaitConditionTimeout: 0 of 1 received". Does anyone knows more about it? | 14:08 |
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| jdob | ok, so generally speaking, if I have an environment on a remote machine, the simplest way to download it would be to make that single file and download that, then it can be passed to heat? | 14:09 |
| shardy | jdob: yup pretty much, download the environment and top-level template, pass them into python-heatclient and it resolves all the stuff in the environment for you | 14:10 |
| shardy | so if the environment resource_registry contains URL references, python-heatclient downloads them and adds the body to the files dict | 14:10 |
| therve | zaneb, What's the policy regarding removing config options? Is it a big no-no or a case by case problem? | 14:10 |
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| jdob | where does that files dict live, the top-level template? | 14:11 |
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| shardy | jdob: e.g My::Special::Resource: http://foo/special.yaml in the environment results in a files dict like {'http://foo/special.yaml': <content of special.yaml>} | 14:12 |
| shardy | jdob: no, it's created by python-heatclient and passed to create/update requests | 14:12 |
| shardy | there's no definition of it when writing the template, other than putting the references into the environment file | 14:13 |
| shardy | jdob: the easiest way to see how it works is do heat --debug stack-create foo -f template -e environment | 14:13 |
| shardy | then look at the files: map in the request | 14:13 |
| jdob | ah, ok, lemme do that... high level, the request is ultimately sending a single file in that call? | 14:14 |
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| zaneb | therve: I think the policy is deprecate for 1 release cycle | 14:15 |
| shardy | jdob: No, it bundles all the files referenced in the environment into a dictionary, so all the data is in one request, but heat still treats it as separate template files | 14:15 |
| therve | zaneb, So keep them at all cost? | 14:15 |
| jdob | gotcha, the one request thing is largely what I'm after | 14:15 |
| afaranha | Did someone try running MultiNode_Devstack template with icehouse? | 14:15 |
| zaneb | therve: what config option are we talking here? | 14:15 |
| jdob | i'll take a look at the --debug and it should be pretty clear | 14:16 |
| therve | zaneb, Related to the oslo.messaging port | 14:16 |
| jdob | last question, you said "top-level" template. is that the actual term you guys use to refer to it? i've been using "master template" mostly because I didn't know if there was a real term | 14:16 |
| shardy | jdob: I use that term, not sure if anyone else does ;) | 14:16 |
| therve | zaneb, There is the rpc_notifier2 which is removed | 14:16 |
| shardy | I mean top-level vs nested | 14:17 |
| therve | zaneb, And I have an issue with allowed_rpc_exception_modules | 14:17 |
| shardy | the top-level template is the thing which goes in -f template.yaml in the stack-create | 14:17 |
| zaneb | wtf is rpc_notifier2 | 14:17 |
| jdob | ya, i know what you're getting at, just want to make sure I'm not making up terms in Tuskar when I refer to it :) | 14:17 |
| therve | Some stuff defined by oslo rpc | 14:17 |
| therve | matchmaker_redis too | 14:17 |
| shardy | zaneb: a notifier which uses envelopes IIRC, whatever they are | 14:18 |
| zaneb | so when we switch to oslo.messaging, they'll become meaningless? | 14:18 |
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| zaneb | if it's not going to break anyone's existing config, I'd say go ahead and remove it | 14:19 |
| zaneb | if it might, then we'd need to consult with operators I guess | 14:19 |
| therve | Well if the operator defined the config, we'll break if we remove it | 14:20 |
| therve | If we keep the options doing nothing, they may not get the behavior that they expect though | 14:20 |
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| shardy | jdob: FYI this is the python-heatclient code which resolves the stuff in the environment and populates the files map | 14:22 |
| shardy | https://github.com/openstack/python-heatclient/blob/master/heatclient/common/template_utils.py | 14:23 |
| jdob | sweet, thanks, that'll save me a bunch of time looking for it | 14:23 |
| shardy | If you're using the python API rather than the shell interface, you should be able to reuse a lot of that | 14:23 |
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| shardy | https://github.com/openstack/python-heatclient/blob/master/heatclient/v1/shell.py#L91 | 14:23 |
| shardy | jdob: ^^ basically by doing the same as what's in shell.py | 14:24 |
| zaneb | therve: I don't know what the policy is there then :( | 14:26 |
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| therve | zaneb, Yeah it's tricky. | 14:26 |
| zaneb | (other than 'you should have deprecated it 1 release cycle ago', which doesn't help us) | 14:26 |
| therve | I know that SpamapS -1ed a branch with removed an fairly useless option recently, so I know he cares at least | 14:27 |
| zaneb | yeah, maybe when he wakes up he'll know what the best course of action is | 14:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jyoti proposed a change to openstack/heat-specs: Dummy test https://review.openstack.org/99945 | 14:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/python-heatclient: Append extra space after command in bash_completion https://review.openstack.org/99313 | 14:48 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/python-heatclient: Removed now unnecesary workaround for PyPy https://review.openstack.org/97073 | 14:48 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/python-heatclient: Remove no use option parameters for template-validate https://review.openstack.org/94005 | 14:48 |
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| shardy | Does anyone know why we revalidate properties every time they are returned via __getitem__? | 15:14 |
| shardy | https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/heat/engine/properties.py#L338 | 15:14 |
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| shardy | It seems like it causes multiple calls to e.g glance when using custom contraints, we revalidate every time an event is created, so probably at least 4 duplicate validations for every stack action | 15:15 |
| shardy | possibly related to the performance issues reported by BillArnold | 15:16 |
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| afaranha | shardy: Last time I got the WaitConditionTimeout error, but I configured devstack with neutron and I still get this error, do you know what could be the reason? Thank you | 15:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Bartosz Górski proposed a change to openstack/heat: Adds multi-cloud to OS::Heat::Stack resource https://review.openstack.org/98533 | 16:40 |
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| andersonvom | shardy: you around? | 17:00 |
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| andersonvom | zaneb: you around as well? | 17:06 |
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| SpamapS | zaneb: course of action? | 17:14 |
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| andersonvom | SpamapS: hey, I was just reading the convergence specs and wondering if there's anything I should change around stack-check so that the two of them can play well. | 17:21 |
| SpamapS | andersonvom: No, I think stack-check will work the same. | 17:25 |
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| SpamapS | andersonvom: the only difference will be when we're done, stack-check will fire off a check job per stack, instead of just walking the whole thing in one thread. | 17:25 |
| SpamapS | err | 17:25 |
| SpamapS | a check job per resource | 17:25 |
| andersonvom | SpamapS: yeah, I remember noticing that but thinking this is a change to be made in the future and not necessarily now. | 17:26 |
| andersonvom | however shardy seemed to have concerns regarding convergence-observer and stack-check. Since I can't get a hold of him, I thought you might have an idea of what he could be talking about =) | 17:27 |
| andersonvom | also, maybe changing the endpoint it's currently using, but I'm not sure if this is the right time either | 17:27 |
| andersonvom | (currently: stack-update with update_type=check) | 17:28 |
| SpamapS | andersonvom: yeah we can complete all the other convergence work and check will just be less awesome than the other things.. we can update it to use the new distributed observer capabilities "whenever" | 17:28 |
| SpamapS | andersonvom: wait, check isn't a new command? | 17:28 |
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| andersonvom | SpamapS: nope. =( That was my original idea, but folks weren't very fond of it | 17:29 |
| SpamapS | I don't know why you'd use _update_ to initiate something that doesn't update. | 17:29 |
| andersonvom | I guess, _technically_, it would be updating the status of the stack | 17:29 |
| SpamapS | andersonvom: Well my intention is for this spec to keep everything that exists working as-is, just to make the operations and the core of Heat more resilient to failures. So if thats how it works.. it will keep working that way. | 17:30 |
| randallburt | SpamapS, andersonvom I think the larger question is that if/when observer is complete, isn't the plan for it to be "checking" all the time? | 17:30 |
| SpamapS | andersonvom: In fact, a special kind of update has a better chance of evolving along with convergence anyway. :p | 17:30 |
| SpamapS | randallburt: so I'm about to introduce a split of the observer spec into observer and continuous-observer | 17:31 |
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| randallburt | SpamapS: gotcha; is the continuous-observer a longer-term goal, then? | 17:31 |
| SpamapS | randallburt: I think we can just implement it as its own process, without any subscribing to notifications from other services, and have it not be doing things continuously. | 17:31 |
| SpamapS | randallburt: correct. The long term goal is for better scalability by using notification buses rather than polling. | 17:32 |
| SpamapS | But if we add that in while we also refactor the whole core around convergence, I'm afraid that may be too much change to manage all at once. | 17:32 |
| randallburt | SpamapS: yes, I remember that now. So in the short-term, continuous-observer would poll or would it initially not really be "continuous"? | 17:32 |
| randallburt | SpamapS: agreed | 17:33 |
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| SpamapS | Also if my estimates are right, the promised wave of devs from HP that are arriving "any minute now" will be up to speed just in time to take up the charge on subscribing | 17:34 |
| andersonvom | hummm... so leaving stack-check as it is right now would be ok? Even though it's not its own command? | 17:34 |
| andersonvom | I ask cause since it's still in flight, this would be a good time to tweek things around | 17:35 |
| randallburt | andersonvom: kinda depends on how much refactoring this new team is up for ;) | 17:35 |
| randallburt | IMO, that work started quite a while back and I for one would like to see it in in some form sooner rather than later. | 17:36 |
| * andersonvom whispers: "so would I..." | 17:36 | |
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| andersonvom | also, since you guys are here: do you know why Timeout exception inherits from BaseException as opposed to just Exception? I meant to ask zaneb, but he's not around =) | 17:45 |
| zaneb | I'm back | 17:45 |
| andersonvom | kewl! | 17:45 |
| zaneb | was just reading the scrollback :) | 17:45 |
| zaneb | the short answer is, so "except Exception:" doesn't catch it | 17:46 |
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| zaneb | it's an exit exception of sorts - the task is exiting - so it inherits from BaseException | 17:46 |
| andersonvom | zaneb: yeah, I thought that might have been the case. I ask because folks were wondering if the ExceptionGroup should handle this kind of exception as well. | 17:47 |
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| andersonvom | but it make me wonder if it's supposed to be caught at all | 17:47 |
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| andersonvom | zaneb: more specifically, here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89908/7/heat/engine/resource.py | 17:48 |
| andersonvom | but I'm guessing "no", right? | 17:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Randall Burt proposed a change to openstack/heat: Refactor OS::Nova::Server delete handling https://review.openstack.org/99800 | 17:49 |
| zaneb | andersonvom: yeah, you need a separate except: clause | 17:50 |
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| zaneb | check out all the other lifecycle operations | 17:51 |
| zaneb | e.g. ll. 391-397 | 17:52 |
| andersonvom | zaneb: oh, I see. | 17:53 |
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| zaneb | one day I will refactor that exception handling out into a context manager | 17:54 |
| andersonvom | zaneb: yeah, that really would feel much better, than just having to copy/paste exception handling statements, pretty much | 17:55 |
| zaneb | yup, there is too much copy+paste required atm | 17:56 |
| zaneb | we tried to fix that with _do_action, but it turns out not to be able to cover all the cases | 17:56 |
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| zaneb | although, in this case why not just delete the default implementation and use _do_action? | 17:58 |
| andersonvom | zaneb: hummm... let me take a look | 18:01 |
| andersonvom | zaneb: close, but no cigar | 18:03 |
| andersonvom | If NotSupported is raised, we still want the update to be successful | 18:03 |
| zaneb | just because of the check_*_complete? | 18:03 |
| zaneb | why are we raising NotSupported at all? | 18:04 |
| andersonvom | this is for the time being while handle_check is not implemented for all the resources | 18:04 |
| zaneb | right, but why raise an exception? | 18:04 |
| zaneb | it's not an error | 18:05 |
| andersonvom | zaneb: I guess otherwise there would be no easy way to state that in the resource, right? | 18:06 |
| andersonvom | I mean, we'd still want to distinguish notsupported from successful in the status_reason | 18:07 |
| zaneb | delete handle_check() from the superclass | 18:07 |
| zaneb | then if it's present, it's supported, otherwise not | 18:07 |
| zaneb | you can just check all the resources at the point where you're setting the status string | 18:08 |
| zaneb | instead of passing and exception through 3 levels of hackery just to studiously ignore it | 18:09 |
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| andersonvom | zaneb: but then on line 397 from _do_action, handle_check is not callable, so it would just skip 379-385 altogether and would finish successfully, right? | 18:10 |
| andersonvom | zaneb: sorry, didn't read all your lines. | 18:11 |
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| zaneb | yeah, you want it to succeed | 18:11 |
| zaneb | you're setting state=COMPLETE | 18:11 |
| andersonvom | but with no warning saying: btw, we didn't really do anything | 18:12 |
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| zaneb | <zaneb> you can just check all the resources at the point where you're setting the status string | 18:13 |
| andersonvom | oh, that's the part I was looking into | 18:13 |
| andersonvom | =) | 18:13 |
| zaneb | I'm simultaneously writing inline comments on your review that might explain better | 18:14 |
| andersonvom | zaneb: sweet! =) that may make things easier then =) | 18:14 |
| andersonvom | argh. too mane faces | 18:15 |
| andersonvom | s/mane/many/ | 18:15 |
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| therve | SpamapS, We were wondering what to do with options removal, in particular in the context of the oslo.messaging port | 18:56 |
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| SpamapS | therve: yeah, we can't remove interface elements w/o deprecation. It's uncivilized. :) | 19:00 |
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| therve | SpamapS, So my question was about on strict we were on that | 19:00 |
| therve | SpamapS, Does it make sense to keep options around even if they don't do anything? | 19:01 |
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| andersonvom | zaneb: thanks for the feedback. regarding the whole "why is this update", that seemed to be the consensus back when I first wrote it as a separate action | 19:21 |
| zaneb | link? | 19:22 |
| andersonvom | sure, hang on | 19:22 |
| andersonvom | zaneb: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/58641/1/heat/api/openstack/v1/__init__.py | 19:24 |
| andersonvom | a _very_ long time ago... | 19:24 |
| zaneb | that's talking about the API though | 19:24 |
| zaneb | completely different question | 19:24 |
| andersonvom | so I'm not sure I understood your question | 19:24 |
| andersonvom | why is this an update as opposed to what? | 19:25 |
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| zaneb | as opposed to a separate implementation that actually does what we want | 19:26 |
| SpamapS | zaneb: that was sort of my question too :) | 19:26 |
| zaneb | instead of throwing it into the giant update machine and then doing if update_is_an_update: do_update(); else: do_something_completely() different all over the place | 19:27 |
| andersonvom | zaneb, SpamapS: if you guys could be a little more explicit on how to keep this as an update API call but not-an-update action in the engine, I'd appreciate it, cause I'm not sure I quite follow it. =\ | 19:28 |
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| zaneb | two things being behind the same API doesn't mean they have to have the same implementation | 19:29 |
| zaneb | this is literally the reason why APIs were invented | 19:29 |
| zaneb | just implement Stack.check() and call it from EngineService.update_stack() | 19:31 |
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| andersonvom | zaneb: wouldn't that be precisely the thing you just described above? "if update_is_an_update: do_update(); else: do_something_completely() different" | 19:32 |
| zaneb | yes, but you do it once before anything starts, instead of deep in the bowels of a completely different operation, while traversing a data structure that isn't the one you want | 19:34 |
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| SpamapS | zaneb: what if we just made it a special update that doesn't actually change anything. | 19:38 |
| SpamapS | I'm guessing it is just too dependent on diffing | 19:38 |
| zaneb | SpamapS: update is an operation that takes two templates, builds a dependency graph including both, and traverses it performing different operations on the two groups of nodes | 19:39 |
| zaneb | whereas check is an operation that takes one template, builds a dependency graph and traverses it | 19:40 |
| zaneb | there is *no* reason to intertwine those | 19:40 |
| SpamapS | zaneb: yeah, if anything check is more like delete than update. ;) | 19:40 |
| SpamapS | since realistically, checking backwards makes more sense than checking forward | 19:40 |
| zaneb | especially when update is already the most difficult, complicated code in the whole engine | 19:41 |
| zaneb | SpamapS: does it? I was going to ask about that | 19:41 |
| SpamapS | zaneb: I really hope we can make it simpler, not more complex, with convergence. :-/ | 19:41 |
| SpamapS | zaneb: well, there are advantages to both really | 19:41 |
| SpamapS | zaneb: checking forward will find systemic failures | 19:42 |
| SpamapS | checking backward will find individual failures | 19:42 |
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| andersonvom | SpamapS: erm... what do you mean checking forward vs. backwards? | 19:46 |
| SpamapS | andersonvom: walk up the graph, vs. walk down | 19:47 |
| SpamapS | andersonvom: if you're going to check everything all the time, it doesn't actually matter | 19:47 |
| SpamapS | In fact, if you're going to check everything, do not use the graph. | 19:47 |
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| SpamapS | just walk resources | 19:48 |
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| andersonvom | yeah, that's what I thought. If we're changing it to not use the framework update currently uses, we might as well just go straight to the resources | 19:49 |
| andersonvom | also, ok, the graph, thanks! | 19:49 |
| zaneb | SpamapS: good point | 19:51 |
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| andersonvom | zaneb: so, just to recap: on engine_service.update() just look for "check", if yes, return run parser.Stack.check(), otherwise carry on with update. And do everything else from Stack.check(). right? | 19:53 |
| zaneb | correct | 19:53 |
| andersonvom | k. danke schon | 19:53 |
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| andersonvom | though I guess I should say "obrigado" just cause Brazil won the game yesterday =) (and in the name of spreading more languages around) | 19:54 |
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| zaneb | andersonvom: is there some sort of sporting event on? | 20:02 |
| andersonvom | zaneb: the world cup started yesterday in Brazil | 20:02 |
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| vijendar | zaneb: sorry... I did not see that patch | 20:07 |
| zaneb | I'll see if I can find it | 20:07 |
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| SpamapS | \o/ | 20:49 |
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