Friday, 2014-08-15

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elynnmorning guys :)02:08
asalkeldg'day02:09
elynnyeah :)02:14
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/heat: Imported Translations from Transifex  https://review.openstack.org/10497506:00
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skraynevGood Morning06:14
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openstackgerritDavid J Hu proposed a change to openstack/python-heatclient: Re-add keystone v3 auth with fixes  https://review.openstack.org/11075007:24
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openstackgerritZhenguo Niu proposed a change to openstack/heat: "H302 check" cleanup  https://review.openstack.org/11445707:43
openstackgerritZhenguo Niu proposed a change to openstack/heat: "H302 check" cleanup  https://review.openstack.org/11445707:46
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openstackgerritEthan Lynn proposed a change to openstack/heat: Import oslo.i18n and port heat bins to use oslo.i18n  https://review.openstack.org/10892408:01
openstackgerritEthan Lynn proposed a change to openstack/heat: Enable lazy translation on heat  https://review.openstack.org/10891708:01
openstackgerritEthan Lynn proposed a change to openstack/heat: Switch heat api to oslo i18n  https://review.openstack.org/10947908:02
openstackgerritEthan Lynn proposed a change to openstack/heat: Switch heat engine to oslo.i18n  https://review.openstack.org/10948808:02
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openstackgerritThomas Herve proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement snapshots for servers and volumes  https://review.openstack.org/8728009:21
openstackgerritThomas Herve proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add snapshot restore HTTP API  https://review.openstack.org/9212509:21
openstackgerritThomas Herve proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement stack restore  https://review.openstack.org/9212409:21
openstackgerritThomas Herve proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement snapshot listing  https://review.openstack.org/9212609:21
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openstackgerritAngus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: Support loading resources from stevedore extensions  https://review.openstack.org/10304410:46
openstackgerritAngus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: Use setuptools to install contrib plugins  https://review.openstack.org/10533410:47
openstackgerritAngus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: Convert functions into a fixed part of the template  https://review.openstack.org/10348410:47
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/heat: Native WaitConditionHandle move to common curl_cli  https://review.openstack.org/11354112:42
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openstackgerritSteven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat-specs: Decouple Nested Stacks from parents  https://review.openstack.org/11329613:36
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openstackgerritAnderson Mesquita proposed a change to openstack/python-heatclient: Add nested-depth option to resource-list  https://review.openstack.org/11360614:16
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openstackgerritEthan Lynn proposed a change to openstack/heat: Switch heat resources to oslo.i18n  https://review.openstack.org/10951014:51
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openstackgerritEthan Lynn proposed a change to openstack/heat: Remove gettextutils from heat  https://review.openstack.org/10951714:55
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openstackgerritEthan Lynn proposed a change to openstack/heat: Remove deprecated function i18n.install('heat')  https://review.openstack.org/11019215:26
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openstackgerritAlexey Ivanitskiy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Adding log messages to improve error handling  https://review.openstack.org/10933316:01
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andersonvomzaneb: thanks, I actually _was_ looking for something to do! :P16:02
zanebany time ;)16:03
zanebandersonvom: it's a real bug then?16:04
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andersonvomzaneb: not sure, I'll ponder about it in a little while and will let you know16:05
zanebok, cool16:05
zanebtbh I still don't understand what preview does16:06
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andersonvomzaneb: think of it as "pretend to spin up a stack and give me _all resources_ you'd get back" so that I know what's actually being spun up16:22
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andersonvomzaneb: this way I can tell the customer: yeah, you're going to spend this much moolah if you click "create"16:22
zanebthat makes sense16:23
zanebI think it's the part about the property values that confuses me16:23
zanebbecause those can't be known without _actually_ spinning up the resources if get_attr is used in the template16:23
zanebanyway, it seems like to do what you want you would need to pass the files to any nested stacks for the benefit of any nested-nested stacks16:24
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andersonvomzaneb: that seems to make sense, if the files can change the behavior of nested stacks, then they do need to be passed16:35
zanebok, sounds like we are missing a test there then16:36
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openstackgerritJason Dunsmore proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add utility functions for Swift TempURLs  https://review.openstack.org/10430217:11
metralhello - for a ResourceGroup type with a resource_def of just Nova::Server's, i make use of the %index% for the 'name' property. i.e. name: myserver_%index% so that the index is appended to the name. the indexing for the name works. however, if i want to get that name property to pass as a param into user_data in the *same* resource, how do i access it without hitting a circular dependency?17:13
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randallburtmetral:  the short, unfortunate answer to that is that you can't.17:17
metralrandallburt thats what i was expecting :-/17:18
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metralrandallburt are there any ugly hacks of any kind ?17:19
* metral grasping at straws here17:19
randallburtmetral:  not that I'm aware of. A resource just can't refer to itself in any way I can think of.17:19
metralrandallburt gotcha17:19
metrali guess ill have to rethink my approach to work around this17:20
randallburtmetral:  oh, wait. Ugly, but you could pass in the "myserver" part as a param and use a str_replace to basically add param_%index% to your user data17:20
randallburtResourceGroup will also do the index replacement in the user data.17:21
metralhmm17:21
metrali want to say i tried that and it didnt take17:21
metrallet me try again17:21
randallburtmetral:  k. if you can,  link me an example if it doesn't work after you've tried again17:22
metralwill do17:22
metraltrying tnow17:22
metral*now17:22
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metralrandallburt that worked!17:25
randallburtmetral:  huzzah! glad I could help.17:25
metrali thought i tried it last night but it was also 3am17:25
metralrandallburt me too! thx. ps. emailed you my template file in case you were interested17:26
randallburtmetral:  sure, np.17:27
metralrandallburt its the bottom section, resource: machines17:27
randallburtmetral:  nice. cool template!17:28
metralrandallburt ya working on cores + kubernetes via heat17:28
metralnot at the kubernetes piece quite yet, but close17:28
randallburtmetral:  I'm going to pass this along to Andrew Plunk as well. He'd be very interested I think.17:28
metralrandallburt perfect! its another module in my heat oriented usecase project Touchstone: https://github.com/metral/touchstone/17:29
metralrandallburt its not anywhere near ready to hit master, but nevertheless, it'll hopefully be there soon17:30
randallburtmetral:  nice!17:30
metralrandallburt anyways, ill let you get back to it. thx again for all the help! have a great friday & weekend17:31
randallburtmetral:  no worries, you too!17:31
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/python-heatclient: Add nested-depth option to resource-list  https://review.openstack.org/11360617:33
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andersonvomhey, can anybody still run single tests in heat?  Everytime I try to "nosetests path/to/test.py:Class.test_name" I get invalid template errors17:53
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therveandersonvom, nose is not a supported test runner18:48
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therveYour error may be something else I don't know about, though18:49
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htrutahello, everyone! is it possible to do some kind of periodic tasks using alarms?18:53
htrutaCloudWatch or Ceilometer18:54
therve htruta: You mean misusing alarms to run periodic tasks?18:59
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htrutatherve: something like that... I just  want to be able to run periodic tasks19:00
therveEven if you can twist them to do that, it doesn't sound like the right tool for the job19:01
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/heat: Template get_version breaks with Template object  https://review.openstack.org/11134819:02
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htrutatherve: I see that... so, currently there is no right way to do that on heat19:04
thervehtruta, What do you want to run periodically though?19:05
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zanebhtruta: the "right tool" for that job will eventually be Mistral, but you'll probably have to wait a while19:19
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htrutazaneb: wouldn't it be nice to have a heat plugin that enables that? I would be able, for example, to have a heat stack that periodically checks the health of some instances19:20
zanebno, it would be unspeakably horrible :)19:21
zanebtrust me, we tried it19:21
randallburtenter convergence… ;)19:22
htrutazaneb: oh... can you tell in a few words what was the big issue of doing that?19:22
zanebHeat is just the wrong tool for the job. it doesn't do periodic tasks19:22
zanebwe know what the right tool looks like19:23
randallburtwell, to start, it seems you need monitoring of instances not orchestration (per se). It would then be "nice" if that monitoring could trigger some actions on a stack, yes?19:23
zaneband it's going to be awesome when we have it19:23
zaneband I wish we had it now19:23
zanebbut we don't want to implement anything that takes us down the wrong path, even though it means waiting19:24
htrutarandallburt: yes. It would be nice19:25
htrutazaneb: so, the right tool looks like Mistral19:25
zanebthe right tool is a workflow engine19:26
* zaneb is withholding judgement on whether it looks like Mistral ;)19:26
zanebbut Mistral is a workflow engine19:27
randallburtagreed, but to re-iterate and summarize zaneb: Comming Soon(™)19:27
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SpamapSsounds more like monitoring as a service19:28
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randallburtand it depends on if the right tool is just a wf engine. Depending on how you want to respond to different situations, you could need a wfe, or you could just need a stack-update OR you could simply let convergence delete/recreate the instance.19:28
randallburtSpamapS:  I think we need that too.19:29
zanebyeah, it depends if you really do want just a periodic task, or if that was just a stalking horse for some other feature (e.g. monitoring)19:29
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randallburtagreed. I don't know if periodic tasks even "fits" with mistral or should rather be its own thing.19:31
htrutazaneb: I wanted a periodic task that would allow to create lots of kinds of stalking horses19:31
randallburtlol19:31
htrutaisn't monitoring a 'built-in' heat functionality?19:32
zanebrandallburt: in my view a timer (periodic or not) should be one of several kinds of triggers to start a workflow19:32
randallburtzaneb:  very agreed19:33
stevellehtruta:  than standing up a jobs scheduling and processing engine inside your project stack seems like the right solution19:33
htrutaI'm already able to do some kind of monitoring by creating an alarm (a sleepy horse)19:34
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htrutastevelle: I don't think I understood what you meant19:36
SpamapSno monitoring is not built in19:36
stevellehtruta: my point is you should orchestrate something in your stack to do this work: a nova instance running cron or maybe put gearman in your stack.  stable your monitors and other horses there.19:38
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stevellehtruta: it will be more transparent that way, should be easier to deliver too19:40
* zaneb starts to regret using that metaphor19:41
stevelleha19:43
htrutastevelle: Now i see your point. That may be a good idea19:44
htrutaso, can a heat plugin to handle cron/gearman be a good idea? Am I being too dreamer?19:45
stevellehtruta: thinking about it gearman may not be the right tool, sorry.  openlava or quartz or apscheduler may be better19:47
htrutaI mean, I don't want to train every single stalking horse (sorry, zaneb) for each activity... It would be nice to have someone that does this kind of work for me19:47
stevellehtruta: it doesn't really make sense to make part of heat, maybe it becomes part of it's own open stack service but not inside heat.19:48
htrutastevelle: that's ok... I'll check those tools later19:48
randallburthtruta: you can always write a template that sets up a server with the scheduling services you want and then re-use that in other templates via provider resources.19:49
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htrutarandallburt: I agree with you. but wouldn't it be easier to other people use it with a proper resource plugin that, for example, creates a instance running cron (or any other tool) ?19:55
stevebakermorning19:55
htrutaor, am I going far away from the orchestration concept?19:56
stevellehtruta: I would suggest that is too far away from orchestration19:56
randallburthtruta:  sure, but based on the convo so far, I agree that that should be provided by a different service and (at best) Heat have a resource that supports that.19:56
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andersonvomtherve: so, is there a way to run a single test?19:57
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jasond`andersonvom: python -m testtools.run heat.tests.test_resource.ResourceTest.test_method19:58
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andersonvomjasond`: thanks19:59
randallburttox — <your test class or test> works too.19:59
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htrutarandallburt: I see that... so, is there some related work in progress that I can be helpful to?20:05
randallburthtruta:  I think mistral does periodic stuff as well as general workflow.20:05
htrutaHeat must have a mistral plugin on a short future, right?20:06
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stevebakerSpamapS: hey, what do you think about allowing os-collect-config to be configured for more than one heat collector (eg, one for the node, one for the cluster)20:09
randallburthtruta:  that's sort of up to those interested. I think we'd accept something in contrib for now. It won't be a "default" plugin until mistral is integrated.20:09
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SpamapSstevebaker: yeah thats something it needs.20:13
htrutayes.. that's right20:14
stevebakerSpamapS: would you prefer the .conf to have [heat_1]...[heat_2] or [foo]collector=heat20:14
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htrutajust a final question... what is the difference between having this kind of resource i've mentioned and having, for example, a resource that does Load Balance20:15
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SpamapSstevebaker: [heat:id] would be ideal, but IIRC oslo.config makes that challenging20:16
htrutaI mean... Load Balance is as far from orchestration as monitoring is... am I right?20:16
SpamapShtruta: LB is being moved out to Neutron yes. :)20:17
stevebakerSpamapS: the collect order would need to be ordered by id too20:17
openstackgerritJason Dunsmore proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add OS::Swift::Signal resource  https://review.openstack.org/9694720:17
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stevebakerSpamapS: so I have an idea for getting cluster config into that cluster. On a deployment resource, make the server property optional. If the server is not specified then the deployment resource itself becomes the resource the metadata is polled from. Since polling is configured by name there is no circular dependency issues getting the deployment resource identifier into the resource group20:21
htrutaSpamapS: hm. I see what you mean. Thanks :)20:23
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/heat: Fix DBError output in test logs  https://review.openstack.org/11328820:30
randallburtoh thank goodness.20:32
randallburtsuch a bother.20:32
openstackgerritJason Dunsmore proposed a change to openstack/heat: Chef solo resource  https://review.openstack.org/5520820:38
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openstackgerritJose Castanos proposed a change to openstack/heat-templates: Software config hook for configuring with Chef-Solo  https://review.openstack.org/10057221:25
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openstackgerritAnderson Mesquita proposed a change to openstack/heat: Propagate files into nested stacks on preview  https://review.openstack.org/11467321:59
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andersonvomhow long does the gate take to run the tests with a newly merged code? From the moment the code got merged, that is.22:22
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