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| lipinski | I know I've asked this before, but still having issues. What is required on my VM image for using SoftwareDeployments? | 00:58 |
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| lipinski | Do note - we are not using image-builder or anything like that. We are building our images by installing RPMs and snapshotting. | 00:58 |
| asalkeld | hi lipinski | 00:59 |
| asalkeld | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/getting_started/jeos_building.html | 00:59 |
| asalkeld | if you follow the tripleO elements you can see what is needed | 01:00 |
| stevebaker | lipinski: you'll need to look at the source of each element to do the equivalent in your build tool. https://github.com/openstack/heat-templates/tree/master/hot/software-config/elements | 01:00 |
| stevebaker | lipinski: specifically elements heat-config \ | 01:00 |
| stevebaker | os-collect-config \ | 01:00 |
| stevebaker | os-refresh-config \ | 01:00 |
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| stevebaker | os-apply-config \ | 01:01 |
| stevebaker | heat-config-cfn-init \ | 01:01 |
| stevebaker | heat-config-puppet \ | 01:01 |
| stevebaker | heat-config-salt \ | 01:01 |
| stevebaker | heat-config-script | 01:01 |
| stevebaker | lipinski: but of the last 4, you only need to do the ones for the hooks you're interested in | 01:01 |
| stevebaker | lipinski: the important bit will be making sure all the requires os-refresh-config scripts and os-apply-config templates are installed | 01:01 |
| lipinski | How do I know what hooks I need? | 01:01 |
| lipinski | All I am trying to do is have a SoftwareConfig resource | 01:01 |
| stevebaker | lipinski: what tool do you want to configure software on your servers? | 01:02 |
| lipinski | And use a SoftwareDeployment resource to apply that Config to servers providing a differing set of input for each server | 01:02 |
| lipinski | We are using a basic shell script | 01:02 |
| lipinski | All we want to do is drop a unique piece of data on each VM. | 01:02 |
| stevebaker | lipinski: then all you need is heat-config-script. Ignore cfn-init, puppet, salt | 01:02 |
| lipinski | I can define a single SoftwareConfig, then use a SoftwareDeployment to apply that config to each with using a different input for each | 01:02 |
| lipinski | do I need any os- ones? | 01:03 |
| stevebaker | yes | 01:03 |
| stevebaker | lipinski: do you need heat to be informed that your script has run? | 01:03 |
| lipinski | nope | 01:03 |
| lipinski | We are literally just dropping 3 different pieces of data (into 3 separate text files) on each VM. | 01:04 |
| lipinski | 2 pieces of data is identical across all VMs, and one is unique for each | 01:04 |
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| stevebaker | lipinski: then you could always specify it as user_data_format: RAW and user_data: {get_file: your_file.sh} | 01:04 |
| lipinski | Do you know what the RPM would be for heat-config-script? We are forced to use RedHat in our VMs. | 01:04 |
| stevebaker | lipinski: or user_data: {get_resource: your_software_config_resource} | 01:05 |
| lipinski | Right - but then I need a unique softwareconfig item for each VM | 01:05 |
| lipinski | Using user_data I lose the ability to use inputs it seems. | 01:05 |
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| lipinski | We were using user_data when all VMs received the same data. It's the unique one that then causes us to have to create a new softwareconfig for each. | 01:05 |
| lipinski | if there was a way to specify softwareconfig inputs via user_Data, I would do that - then I don't need softwareDeployments (which seem to require admin rights in our IceHouse environment) | 01:06 |
| stevebaker | lipinski: so you already need one deployment resource per server, so why not one config resource per server, and use get_file so you're not repeating your scripts. Something like this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/118472/2/hot/Windows/ActiveDirectoryController/ActiveDirectoryDomainController.yaml | 01:08 |
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| lipinski | stevebaker: well, I left out a bit. I have a few SoftwareConfig resources that I'm joining with a MultipartMime. So, taking that into consideration, Instead of having 1 SWConfig resource + x SWDeployment resources (x=#VMs), I would now have X SWConfigs + X MultipartMimes. And, we are talking systems with many, many VMs. | 01:10 |
| lipinski | Plus, that seems rather messy.... SoftwareDeployments provide a lot of cool functionality for future possibilities. | 01:11 |
| lipinski | I guess I may have to go that route though. | 01:11 |
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| stevebaker | lipinski: another option is install what you can with RPM, but do all of the other files with cloud-config resources added to your MultipartMime. All of the heat-* elements are small scripts which won't be packaged | 01:12 |
| lipinski | stevebaker: so you don't think the hot software-config stuff will be packaged into RPM? | 01:15 |
| stevebaker | lipinski: actually openstack-heat-templates is packaged, but I would strongly suggest you don't go there | 01:16 |
| stevebaker | lipinski: you could install os-collect-config, os-apply-config, os-refresh-config from RDO https://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/openstack/openstack-icehouse/epel-7/ | 01:16 |
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| lipinski | stevebaker: thanks for the help. I'll have to discuss with our team. | 01:19 |
| stevebaker | lipinski: then use cloud-config to install the following on boot: heat-config, heat-config-script, plus http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tripleo-image-elements/tree/elements/os-collect-config/os-apply-config/etc/os-collect-config.conf | 01:19 |
| stevebaker | lipinski: feel free to raise a bug against heat-templates for a template which demonstrates this approach | 01:20 |
| lipinski | ok, will do. | 01:20 |
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| lipinski | Would this be a bug to demonstrate using softwaredeployments without imagebuilder-based image? Is that appropraite wording/title? | 01:21 |
| stevebaker | lipinski: yes, that would do. | 01:23 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker, a self building image would be super neat | 01:23 |
| asalkeld | and then use glance.image to upload to glance | 01:24 |
| asalkeld | much easier to help users | 01:24 |
| stevebaker | lipinski: when you say rpm + snapshot, do you mean in OpenStack to a cinder volume? | 01:24 |
| lipinski | I mean - the image that we use to spin up VMs from is not created using any image builder or anything like that. We have some tools that build the image on their own. | 01:25 |
| stevebaker | lipinski: sure, but the image is built outside of an openstack? | 01:25 |
| lipinski | Specifically, I believe my colleague spins up a VM (using like Qemu) and installs all the RPMs desired (including cloud-init, etc.), then he essentially captures a snapshot (equivalent) of the VM. That becomed the image we put in glance. | 01:26 |
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| lipinski | yes - the image is built outside OpenStack. | 01:26 |
| stevebaker | ok, ta | 01:26 |
| lipinski | because it is actually built in our software build environment, where all kinds of other stuff happens, etc. | 01:26 |
| lipinski | We have software that runs on bare metal and VM/cloud, so there is commonality in our build stuff. | 01:27 |
| stevebaker | lipinski: can you depend on package repos like RDO during image build? | 01:27 |
| lipinski | I believe they pull packages into a local repo and then use that. But, since this is all still fairly new, they are getting RPMs from a handful of different RedHat repos. | 01:27 |
| lipinski | I Think they manually pull them into local repo, then the automated build uses that. | 01:28 |
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| stevebaker | ok | 01:29 |
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| lipinski | ok, new question. Somewhat related even though doesn't seem like it. | 01:31 |
| lipinski | Is there a way to lookup a resource to get it's metadata using the resource ID instead of name? | 01:32 |
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| lipinski | for example, I can do heat resource-metadata <stack_name> <resource_nam> | 01:32 |
| lipinski | But, I can't seem to do | 01:32 |
| lipinski | heat resource-metadata <stack_name> <resource_ID> | 01:32 |
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| stevebaker | lipinski: no, but why do you need to? | 01:33 |
| lipinski | well, long story... I have a piece of metadata associated with a server that I want to lookup (from another server). | 01:33 |
| stevebaker | lipinski: I think using name instead of ID was needed to avoid resource circular dependencies (or self-referencing resources) | 01:34 |
| lipinski | At the time of that lookup, I have the VMID (from cloud-init), but don't have the resource name. | 01:34 |
| stevebaker | lipinski: couldn't you just pass the resource name in one of the server's boot scripts? | 01:35 |
| lipinski | yes, that's what I was thinking. But, then we have to pass that resource name around - because it is a different server. | 01:36 |
| lipinski | we have multiple servers that register with one another. They currently pass around the VMID. The main/head server then looks up metadata bout the children servers. | 01:37 |
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| stevebaker | lipinski: another option would be to do a resource-list to get the id->name mapping (possibly your server credentials won't allow this though) | 01:38 |
| lipinski | resoruce-list doesn't show the IDs... | 01:39 |
| lipinski | I'd have to do resource-list to get all the resources, then go through each one. | 01:39 |
| lipinski | which would take a good bit of time... | 01:39 |
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| stevebaker | lipinski: ideally you'd do it in a python script which uses heatclient as a lib. A single API call should give you all the info you need | 01:40 |
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| lipinski | hmm - I didn't know heatclient was a officially supported python lib API. I thought the command-line client was all that was "officially" available | 01:42 |
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| stevebaker | not at all! If you're parsing pretty-table output then yr doin it wrong ;) | 01:46 |
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| lipinski | not parsing output at this point... | 01:48 |
| lipinski | well, we are, for heat resource-metadata and a few other non-pretty-table things | 01:48 |
| lipinski | We're not python developers, so this is new territory for us. | 01:49 |
| stevebaker | yep, thats ok | 01:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | liusheng proposed a change to openstack/heat: Log translation hint for Heat.contrib https://review.openstack.org/109484 | 02:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat: Modify the way to get 'network_id' of the port https://review.openstack.org/117961 | 02:43 |
| openstackgerrit | liusheng proposed a change to openstack/heat: Log translation hint for Heat.api https://review.openstack.org/109487 | 02:47 |
| openstackgerrit | liusheng proposed a change to openstack/heat: Log translation hint for Heat.common https://review.openstack.org/109506 | 02:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | liusheng proposed a change to openstack/heat: Log translation hint for Heat.contrib https://review.openstack.org/109484 | 03:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add nested_depth to internal _create_stack RPC interface https://review.openstack.org/115732 | 03:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: Unit test autoscaling._calculate_new_capacity https://review.openstack.org/118907 | 03:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: Move TestInstanceGroup to test_instance_group.py https://review.openstack.org/118906 | 03:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: Convert the autoscaling policy tests into unit tests https://review.openstack.org/118909 | 03:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add nested_depth column to stack table https://review.openstack.org/115730 | 03:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: Move some AutoScalingGroup validation tests to a separate file https://review.openstack.org/118908 | 03:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: engine service add stack_user_project_id to create_stack interface https://review.openstack.org/118136 | 03:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add stack_user_project_id to _create_stack RPC interface https://review.openstack.org/118137 | 03:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add user_creds_id to _create_stack RPC interface https://review.openstack.org/116335 | 03:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: engine service add user_creds_id to create_stack interface https://review.openstack.org/116334 | 03:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: StackResource add show_deleted option to nested() accessor method https://review.openstack.org/116333 | 03:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: StackResource add force_reload to nested() accessor method https://review.openstack.org/116332 | 03:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: Rewrite AutoScalingGroup adjustment tests as unit tests https://review.openstack.org/118948 | 03:08 |
| cmyster | morning | 03:09 |
| asalkeld | hi cmyster | 03:09 |
| cmyster | heya | 03:09 |
| openstackgerrit | liusheng proposed a change to openstack/heat: Log translation hint for Heat.api https://review.openstack.org/109487 | 03:10 |
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| asalkeld | stevebaker, is this important: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110750/9 | 03:50 |
| asalkeld | heatclient auth patch | 03:50 |
| asalkeld | (big change) | 03:50 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: v3 support is useful, I ran it locally for a while | 03:51 |
| asalkeld | ok | 03:51 |
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| Putns | Hey. I was told to ask my question here. I am creating a resource for Heat that needs to periodically run some piece of code after creation - and thus stop running it on deletion. What would be the best way of implementing this? Does Heat provide some sort of mechanism for this? | 07:42 |
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| shardy | Putns: creating a resource with a handle_signal method, and having something (ceilometer?) signal it periodically is the way to go | 07:43 |
| shardy | there is a periodic task mechanism inside heat, but we're deprecating it (it won't work with multiple heat-engines), so please don't use that | 07:43 |
| Putns | how do i get ceilometer to periodically signal my resource? | 07:44 |
| shardy | Putns: alternatively, have heat spin up an instance and run the code inside that via a cron job | 07:44 |
| shardy | (depending on whether you're creating a resource plugin or a template/provider resource) | 07:45 |
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| Putns | resource plugin | 07:46 |
| shardy | Putns: you can create a ceilometer alarm with alarm criteria which always evaluate to true and specify the required evaluation period | 07:46 |
| Putns | i see | 07:47 |
| shardy | Bit of a hack really, this should probably more properly be handled by a workflow service, e.g mistral signals heat | 07:47 |
| shardy | but I'm not sure what the status of mistral is atm | 07:47 |
| Putns | yeah, it does seem like a hack :( | 07:47 |
| Putns | was hoping for some way to have it all contained within my resource | 07:48 |
| Putns | oh well, this does give some ideas on how to proceed, many thanks | 07:49 |
| skraynev | shardy: wow. did you say, that periodic mechanism (so and autoscaling without ceilometer) does not work for multi-engines? | 07:49 |
| shardy | skraynev: correct, we have no way of deciding which engine should run the periodic task, so they'll all race each other | 07:50 |
| shardy | anyone running multiple engines must use ceilometer and not CWLiteAlarm | 07:50 |
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| skraynev | shardy: Ou. You really helped me :) thanks. It's very important case for me. | 07:51 |
| shardy | skraynev: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/deprecate-stack-watch | 07:51 |
| shardy | bug #1322128 | 07:51 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1322128 in heat "watch timers can't be disabled for multiple engines" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1322128 | 07:51 |
| skraynev | shardy: good news according to your advice I slowly migrate to ceilometer :) | 07:51 |
| skraynev | shardy: thx | 07:52 |
| tspatzier | hi shardy | 07:54 |
| shardy | tspatzier: hi! | 07:54 |
| tspatzier | shardy: I look at your spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113296 and it looks good to me; only one little typo. Wanted to ask if you plan another iteration; otherwise I would just +A. The other comments seem resolved. | 07:55 |
| shardy | tspatzier: Thanks - that's looking likely to be deferred to K now so I probably will do another iteration adjusting the target release | 07:56 |
| tspatzier | shardy: alright, then I'll just let it hang around as is | 07:57 |
| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed a change to openstack/heat: Check resource_id is None before deleting https://review.openstack.org/111879 | 08:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement CFN CancelUpdateStack action https://review.openstack.org/102852 | 08:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add RPC API for cancel update stack https://review.openstack.org/102851 | 08:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add Heat REST API action for cancel update stack https://review.openstack.org/116911 | 08:26 |
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| pas-ha | guys, please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102851 - need your opinions on implementation (and may be splitting the change to more patches?) | 08:29 |
| asalkeld | shardy, https://ahsalkeld.wordpress.com/2014/09/04/how-to-profile-heat-using-osprofile/ | 08:33 |
| shardy | asalkeld: nice, thanks! :) | 08:35 |
| asalkeld | np | 08:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Gauvain Pocentek proposed a change to openstack/heat: doc: Improve use of the support_status attribute https://review.openstack.org/116443 | 13:20 |
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| jdandrea | Reality check: I often see a bunch of "urllib3.connectionpool [-] Starting new HTTP connection (1)" messages. Is that typically heat polling for status? (Don't want to assume, but I want to at least know if that's common enough of a thing.) | 14:13 |
| jdandrea | ... about one per second. | 14:14 |
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| larsks | jdandrea: that's entirely common, and happens any times Heat makes a connection to another api service. Looking at my log right now, I see three in the past minute. | 14:14 |
| jdandrea | three in a minute, sure. 60? :) | 14:15 |
| larsks | jdandrea: how many stacks do you have deployed right now? | 14:15 |
| jdandrea | larsks: One. :) | 14:15 |
| larsks | Hmm, me too. Is it big and complicated, or relatively simple? | 14:16 |
| jdandrea | 12 VMs, 12 Cinder volumes, 12 volume attachments. | 14:16 |
| jdandrea | ... and the related ports, floating IPs ... | 14:16 |
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| larsks | I wonder if the amount of polling is related to the number of resources? I have a two vms and no volumes... | 14:17 |
| jdandrea | What I'm seeing is that Cinder is taking a really long time to create volumes. | 14:17 |
| jdandrea | I'm wondering that as well. Yeah. | 14:17 |
| larsks | You could probably investigate exactly what it's checking using tcpdump. | 14:17 |
| jdandrea | Yes. Yes we can. Hehe. :) | 14:18 |
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| jdandrea | I think the polling is "mostly harmless" but worth reality checking. I'm now wondering what's up with Cinder. I changed each volume to depend on another, in a chain. It's taking *one* volume a while to be created. (This now becomes a cinder question though.) | 14:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Gauvain Pocentek proposed a change to openstack/heat: Provide support status info for some resources https://review.openstack.org/119110 | 16:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/heat: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/105166 | 17:49 |
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| tango | stevebaker: Pinging Steve ... | 18:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat: Improve docker resource deletion https://review.openstack.org/113371 | 18:48 |
| Murali_ | is there any wiki avilable for writing custom software config / software deploy | 18:50 |
| Murali_ | for hot yaml templates ? | 18:50 |
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| stevebaker | Murali_, I'll be writing something for that very soon (starting today) | 19:06 |
| Murali_ | stevebaker : cool.. is there any sample hot yaml template available bootstrapping the agent | 19:08 |
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| Murali_ | i m thinking of to write custom resource type for puppet agent bootstraping (all linux versions) | 19:10 |
| Murali_ | do you believe is it achievable step | 19:11 |
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| stevebaker | Murali_, what do you mean by bootstrapping? Installing everything required at boot time on a vanilla image? | 19:15 |
| Murali_ | yes exactly | 19:15 |
| Murali_ | i want to install puppet white boot time itself | 19:15 |
| stevebaker | Murali_, It might be possible, I started working on some cloud-config to do it yesterday. | 19:16 |
| stevebaker | Murali_, what distro do you want to run? | 19:17 |
| Murali_ | stevebaker: but my doubt is how instance will reach internet to install anything while boot time | 19:18 |
| Murali_ | do we need to pass all proxy information using user data section in the nova server ? | 19:19 |
| Murali_ | i m not sure how we going to achieve that ... i m just wondering possibilities | 19:19 |
| Murali_ | stevebaker : its ubuntu | 19:22 |
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| stevebaker | Murali_, yes, you'll need to bring up a server which can access the internet | 19:30 |
| stevebaker | Murali_, ubuntu might make things harder, I don't think os-collect-config is packaged | 19:30 |
| Murali_ | ok | 19:30 |
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| stevebaker | Murali_, is there a reason you can't build an image to prep the agent? https://github.com/openstack/heat-templates/tree/master/hot/software-config/elements | 19:31 |
| Murali_ | but by default new open stack instant cannon access internet right... SO can i export http proxies with in user data | 19:31 |
| Murali_ | ok i will ch k | 19:32 |
| Murali_ | Stevebaker : sorry for buying ur time... just trying to understand better :) | 19:32 |
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| stevebaker | tango: pong | 20:07 |
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| tango | stevebaker: Hi Steve, I uploaded new patches with minor tweaks from your and Angus' suggestions, wondering if you can take a quick look: | 20:46 |
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| tango | stevebaker: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109042 | 20:46 |
| tango | stevebaker: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109284 | 20:46 |
| tango | stevebaker: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109105 | 20:47 |
| tango | stevebaker: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109465 | 20:47 |
| tango | stevebaker: Took the whole day yesterday to pass Jenkins | 20:47 |
| stevebaker | tango: OK. I think we'll apply for a FFE for that blueprint | 20:48 |
| tango | stevebaker: Thanks | 20:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sirushti Murugesan proposed a change to openstack/heat: Adds a new INIT_COMPLETE state for a stack https://review.openstack.org/119207 | 21:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Only delete stack user project from correct domain https://review.openstack.org/119212 | 21:19 |
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