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| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: Import the stack module directly https://review.openstack.org/107292 | 02:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: Support loading resources from stevedore extensions https://review.openstack.org/103044 | 03:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: Use setuptools to install contrib plugins https://review.openstack.org/105334 | 03:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: Convert functions into a fixed part of the template https://review.openstack.org/103484 | 03:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/heat: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/116796 | 06:00 |
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| shardy | morning all | 07:56 |
| cmyster | heya | 07:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat: Don't import Properties class directly https://review.openstack.org/112933 | 08:58 |
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| bdossant | Hi! If you use nova instead of neutron for your network, is it possible to have the same functionality that heat has for the loadbalacing? Heat autoscaling + haproxy automatically via template? | 10:13 |
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| shardy | bdossant: only if you use the AWS::ElasticLoadBalancing::LoadBalancer resource, which spins up an instance running haproxy | 10:15 |
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| shardy | Or you could probably do something similar using the native Heat AutoScalingGroup, but I think all the examples we have assume Neutron | 10:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/python-heatclient: Add --show-nested option to stack-list https://review.openstack.org/114239 | 10:46 |
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| pas-ha | all, I reviewed the Heat installation guide for Icehouse on Ubuntu in the sense I've installed devstack/stable/icehouse without Heat, and followed the guide to install Heat from packages | 11:19 |
| pas-ha | the only gripe I have with it is that (at least on Ubuntu Trusty) the Juno packages are already in the repos, so to install the Icehouse one has to specify exact verisons and dependencies | 11:21 |
| pas-ha | appropriate bug raised for docs bug #1366760 | 11:21 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1366760 in openstack-manuals "Icehouse Heat installation Guide on Ubuntu - need to specify exact versions" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1366760 | 11:21 |
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| shardy | pas-ha: Thanks for doing that :) | 11:23 |
| pas-ha | shardy, np | 11:23 |
| shardy | There were a few reports of folks having issues after following that, so it's good to hear that it's basically OK | 11:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Refactor AWS SecurityGroup and tests https://review.openstack.org/116304 | 11:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement update of AWS::EC2::SecurityGroup rules https://review.openstack.org/88548 | 11:41 |
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| ekarlso- | Hi, i remember talking to one of you guys about a bug with the json parameter type, when you use json as the type and try to get the current parameters using the python client the parameter comes back in the form of a python struct aka {u'key': u'data'} vs a string like {"key": data"} which borks the functionality entirely if you try to use the data in the parameter in for example a update or so | 12:08 |
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| bdossant | shardy: thanks i will try to use AWS::ElasticLoadBalancing::LoadBalancer, but i think what is difficult to recreate is the neutron pool and the monitor | 12:15 |
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| ekarlso- | anyone that can point me to where the type's get serialized or so ? | 12:21 |
| ekarlso- | trying to figure ouyt the json bug | 12:21 |
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| ekarlso- | wrt that bug I got a fix ready but I want to make a test for it before submitting | 13:14 |
| ekarlso- | if anyone would want to point me in the direction to where I put the patches for this I would be happy to submit :) | 13:14 |
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| zaneb | morning all | 13:24 |
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| ryansb | morning zaneb | 13:28 |
| zaneb | hey Ryan | 13:28 |
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| zaneb | milestone went smoothly? | 13:28 |
| * zaneb glances at unread emails. yikes. | 13:29 | |
| sdake | monday funday ftw | 13:29 |
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| maishsk | good afternoon all.. | 13:35 |
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| maishsk | question about heat-cfn - anyone able to help out ? | 13:35 |
| maishsk | I see a reference in a number of templates to "/opt/aws/bin/cfn-push-stats" | 13:36 |
| maishsk | where does that command command from ? | 13:36 |
| maishsk | I cannot see it in the heat-cfntools-1.2.6-2.el6.noarch.rpm package | 13:36 |
| maishsk | any ideas? | 13:36 |
| zaneb | maishsk: it is in the heat-cfntools repo | 13:37 |
| zaneb | https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/heat-cfntools/tree/bin | 13:37 |
| zaneb | not sure about versions/packaging though | 13:37 |
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| ryansb | sdake: monday funday indeed. :) I had testing-config-funday on thurs+fri. Yay jenkins | 13:38 |
| zaneb | maishsk: it was definitely in the 1.2.6 release | 13:38 |
| maishsk | zaneb: Thanks - so I can understand from that - the the path is not correct | 13:40 |
| maishsk | but should rather be at /usr/bin/cfn-push-stats | 13:40 |
| maishsk | ? | 13:40 |
| zaneb | oh yeah, good point | 13:40 |
| maishsk | at least that is what the package says | 13:40 |
| zaneb | the RHEL package will not install into /opt/aws | 13:41 |
| zaneb | so yeah, you can just get rid of the path and run `cfn-push-stats` | 13:41 |
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| ekarlso- | anyone here care to help me get the jsonparametertype fixed? :) | 13:43 |
| maishsk | zaneb: So the path is not correct in the examples? | 13:44 |
| maishsk | or is it only for the EL package.... ? | 13:45 |
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| zaneb | maishsk: well, it's hard to define "correct". You can set up your image any way you like and the user data script just has to match it. it's totally under your control | 13:48 |
| zaneb | that said, that path will be wrong whenever heat-cfntools is installed from a package, which is probably the most common way to use it | 13:49 |
| zaneb | so I guess it's fair to say that it's not correct | 13:49 |
| zaneb | most of heat-cfntools (although _not_ push-stats) is a clone of an Amazon thing, and they install their thing in /opt/aws/bin, and a lot of the CloudFormation example templates reference the path explicitly | 13:51 |
| zaneb | so that's where it comes from | 13:51 |
| maishsk | zaneb: agreed - so should the documentation be updated? | 13:51 |
| sdake | maishsk - cloud init at one point automatically ran a script to links /opt/aws to /usr/bin | 13:51 |
| sdake | I'm not certain that script is on autorun any longer | 13:51 |
| sdake | considering your templates don't work :) | 13:52 |
| maishsk | sdake: I gathered.... :) | 13:52 |
| zaneb | I really wish the CloudFormation examples had just done "export PATH=${PATH}:/opt/aws/bin" instead | 13:52 |
| zaneb | maishsk: a docs patch would be great :) | 13:53 |
| sdake | I just checked, and the current cloud init *does* create the links | 13:53 |
| sdake | maishsk how are you seting up your images? | 13:53 |
| maishsk | I am not sure | 13:53 |
| sdake | I like people that use the force to create their images | 13:54 |
| sdake | yay | 13:54 |
| maishsk | where does the cloud-init make the links? | 13:54 |
| * maishsk laughs :) | 13:54 | |
| sdake | Darth Vader just said "I hope so for your sake." | 13:54 |
| sdake | maishsk it runs somethitng called boothook.sh | 13:54 |
| maishsk | I use developers :) not the force | 13:54 |
| sdake | one and the same | 13:54 |
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| maishsk | sdake: looking at this https://github.com/openstack/heat-cfntools/blob/master/bin/cfn-create-aws-symlinks | 14:00 |
| maishsk | It should be creating the links - correct? | 14:01 |
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| Ajaeger | heat cores, could you please merge in the translations for heat, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116796/ ? | 14:14 |
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| ekarlso- | anyone here care to help me get the jsonparametertype fixed? :) | 15:51 |
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| mkollaro | I'm getting a weird error in heat tempest tests - it says the heat role doesn't exist, yet I can see it there https://gist.github.com/anonymous/f113863a56fddf959d7b | 16:23 |
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| mkollaro | I even tried it with the python client and it still found it by that ID | 16:24 |
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| shardy | mkollaro: The user creating the stack must have that role | 16:25 |
| shardy | the error is a bit misleading, as it's not telling you the role itself is missing | 16:25 |
| mkollaro | aha | 16:25 |
| shardy | I posted a patch which improves the error message on Friday: | 16:25 |
| mkollaro | I was wondering if it was something like that | 16:25 |
| shardy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119406/ | 16:26 |
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| shardy | mkollaro: Also note I've been looking at moving the required role from heat_stack_owner to _member_ by default: | 16:26 |
| shardy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119415/ | 16:26 |
| shardy | Which may make things a little easier by default | 16:27 |
| mkollaro | aha | 16:27 |
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| mkollaro | so I probably shouldn't create a bug report that packstack should give admin the heat role... | 16:28 |
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| shardy | mkollaro: well it probably either wants to give admin heat_stack_owner (which is what devstack currently does), or wait until that change lands and align the heat.conf role with _member_ | 16:30 |
| mkollaro | shardy: is there a chance that change will be backported to icehouse? | 16:30 |
| shardy | mkollaro: either way, the users created by packstack should work with no additional steps IMO | 16:31 |
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| shardy | mkollaro: not sure yet tbh - it seems like the sort of change we perhaps shouldn't backport, but there's nothing to stop people (or tools like packstack) setting heat.conf like that on Icehouse | 16:32 |
| mkollaro | shardy: there are a lot of things that things created by packstack should do..and don't | 16:32 |
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| sarob | any heat core going to join the policy meetup next week? | 20:10 |
| shardy | sarob: do you have a link to details? | 20:11 |
| sarob | shardy: sure do | 20:12 |
| sarob | https://www.eventbrite.com/e/openstack-policy-summit-tickets-12642081807 | 20:12 |
| sarob | i thought we had someone to represent heat, but now im not so sure | 20:12 |
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| sarob | if you guys have a sfbay local that can represent heat view on policy and discuss how to a use case, that would be what we are looking for | 20:15 |
| sarob | in the spirit of cross project collab | 20:16 |
| shardy | sarob: please excuse the dumb question, but this is about cross-project network security and RBAC policy right? | 20:17 |
| shardy | this is the first I've heard of the event | 20:17 |
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| shardy | there seem to be a wide variety of topics in the etherpad, so just wanted to make sure I'm understanding the scope of the event correctly | 20:18 |
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| sarob | hmm, too bad. I thought I had your team in the loop. | 20:19 |
| shardy | IIRC SpamapS_ is somewhat local and I see you've referenced convergence in the etherpad | 20:20 |
| sarob | we have been posting to dev under [congress] | 20:20 |
| sarob | yeah, i thought that might be a place to start | 20:20 |
| sarob | SpamapS_ was who I discussed with in the past | 20:21 |
| sarob | shardy: its not dumb at all | 20:22 |
| * shardy reads https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Congress | 20:22 | |
| shardy | sarob: Evidently I missed the threads, it looks like interesting work though, thanks for the heads-up | 20:23 |
| sarob | shardy: its about cross project policy and a variety of use cases like rbac and other security things | 20:23 |
| shardy | sarob: Yeah, it was the exact context of "policy" I was uncertain of, it's a bit clearer reading the wiki overview | 20:24 |
| sarob | shardy: SpamapS_ would be the volunteer of choice | 20:24 |
| sarob | shardy: to represent | 20:24 |
| andersonvom | hey folks, I can't seem to be able to get heat working with any plugins anymore (the engine wont start: option --config-file not recognized). did anything change recently? | 20:26 |
| andersonvom | if I comment out the plugin_dirs option on heat.conf, then it loads fine | 20:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Thomas Spatzier proposed a change to openstack/heat: Enable SoftwareDeployment for SoftwareComponent https://review.openstack.org/112954 | 20:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Thomas Spatzier proposed a change to openstack/heat: Enhance SoftwareComponent property validation https://review.openstack.org/113259 | 20:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Thomas Spatzier proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add OS::Heat::SoftwareComponent resource https://review.openstack.org/112952 | 20:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Thomas Spatzier proposed a change to openstack/heat: Validate SoftwareDeployment with SoftwareComponent https://review.openstack.org/113260 | 20:27 |
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| zaneb | sarob: I wasn't aware of this meetup at all. SpamapS is in LA, so not all that local but still the closest of anyone in heat-core that I know of | 20:35 |
| sarob | zaneb: my bad. I thought your team was in | 20:36 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/116796 | 20:37 |
| * zaneb is also reading the wiki page | 20:37 | |
| sarob | zaneb: right now its mostly nova, neutron, and congress teams | 20:38 |
| sarob | zaneb: i'd assume that you'd have some interest in planning out cross project policy as well | 20:39 |
| zaneb | sarob: how does convergence in Heat fit in with what you want to talk about? | 20:39 |
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| * shardy was also wondering that.. | 20:40 | |
| sarob | early in your convergence spec review it seemed that it was going towards state management in heat | 20:41 |
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| sarob | from what you are discussing now, it seems more like service reliability is your focus | 20:43 |
| sarob | nevertheless | 20:43 |
| zaneb | sarob: the long term goal is that creating/updating a stack won't be the end of the story, and that when reality starts differing from the blueprint we will reconverge | 20:44 |
| zaneb | initially probably as a manual process ("reconverge now") and eventually maybe as a continuous, ongoing thing | 20:44 |
| sarob | zaneb: okay, then you will have a lot more to say then | 20:44 |
| sarob | zaneb: elements of policy exist in all the projects | 20:45 |
| zaneb | right, that's true | 20:46 |
| sarob | zaneb: the policy meeting is the first effort to collaborate on that | 20:46 |
| sarob | zaneb: congress policy statement translates into policy for other projects | 20:48 |
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| sarob | zaneb: aims for cross project stuff as that is the most difficult | 20:48 |
| zaneb | I'm reading the use cases and it looks like a grab-bag of unrelated stuff :/ | 20:49 |
| sarob | zaneb: yeah, everyone has a favorite | 20:49 |
| zaneb | who are the policies supposed to protect? developers who accidentally don't comply? | 20:50 |
| sarob | zaneb: operations | 20:50 |
| sarob | zaneb: second day of the meeting next week | 20:50 |
| zaneb | cloud operators? or operators of applications running in the cloud? | 20:51 |
| sarob | zaneb: is all about a use case that the project present can work on | 20:51 |
| sarob | znaneb: both potentially, but starting with managing the cluster | 20:51 |
| zaneb | which cluster? | 20:52 |
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| sarob | openstack cluster... | 20:53 |
| sarob | proposed agenda here http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/045203.html | 20:53 |
| sdake | Charlie Foxtrot ftw | 20:54 |
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| sarob | zaneb: your interest could be policy on the heat stack itself for the cloud operator | 20:58 |
| sarob | zaneb: but a kinda assumed that you guys would be more interested in how heat would be utilized for implementing policy for other projects | 20:59 |
| zaneb | yeah, in terms of what individual APIs do behind the scenes, we don't really care | 21:00 |
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| sarob | okey dokey | 21:02 |
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| sarob | ill bug SpamapS_ if interest in joining us, otherwise ping me on the ML if something changes | 21:04 |
| sarob | cheers | 21:04 |
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| andersonvom | zaneb: hey, I'm having a hard time enabling plugins here, do we need to do something other than setting plugin_dirs in heat.conf? Did you change anything around that? | 21:35 |
| SpamapS | sarob: That is very short notice, and the 19th is my son's birthday, so it seems unlikely. | 21:35 |
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| sarob | SpamapS: the team is interested how convergance is changing heat | 21:55 |
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| sarob | SpamapS: can you join us remotely on the 18th for an hour to explain for those attending the meetup? | 21:55 |
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| SpamapS | sarob: yes I can join remotely on either day for an our. Pretty open schedules after 10:00 local time. | 22:09 |
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| sarob | cool | 22:09 |
| sarob | thanks | 22:09 |
| lipinski1 | I'm having a strange problem with heat/cloud-init. | 22:10 |
| lipinski1 | We set a security key/hash as a RandomString in Heat Template. | 22:10 |
| lipinski1 | We then pass that key via user_data and simply save into a file on each VM | 22:10 |
| lipinski1 | When I build my stack, this works fine. | 22:10 |
| lipinski1 | When I update my stack to add a VM, I reference the same random string, but only half of it it put into the user_data. | 22:11 |
| lipinski1 | Why would there be a difference when referencing a randomstring resource between a stack-create and stack-update? | 22:11 |
| sarob | SpamapS: signup for a remote ticket here https://www.eventbrite.com/e/openstack-policy-summit-tickets-12642081807 | 22:14 |
| openstackgerrit | William C. Arnold proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement AZ spanning for AWS ASGs https://review.openstack.org/116139 | 22:15 |
| lipinski1 | Is there a difference between referencing a randomstring as: { get_resource: my_rand_res } vs { get_attr: [ my_rand_res, value ] } ? | 22:15 |
| lipinski1 | I use the former in all cases, but I'm wondering if that is coming into play and I should be using get_attr instead... | 22:15 |
| SpamapS | sarob: done.. thanks for the invite. :) | 22:16 |
| openstackgerrit | William C. Arnold proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement AZ spanning for AWS ASGs https://review.openstack.org/116139 | 22:18 |
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| stevebaker | lipinski1: get_resource is probably best | 22:23 |
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| asalkeld | morning | 22:26 |
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| tango | stevebaker: Hi Steve, got a question about the deprecated command "update" which is being replaced by "stack-update" | 22:43 |
| stevebaker | tango: yep | 22:43 |
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| tango | stevebaker: I am adding the CLI option for --existing. One of the reviewer suggests not to add the option to the deprecated command "update" | 22:44 |
| stevebaker | yeah, I agree | 22:45 |
| tango | stevebaker: So we don't need to keep the two consistent until one is removed? | 22:45 |
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| stevebaker | tango: actually it looks like we're keeping deprecated commands in sync, so I reverse my position | 22:48 |
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| tango | stevebaker: ok, that's what I was thinking too. I will add a comment to the patch. | 22:49 |
| tango | stevebaker: BTW, you mentioned about getting an FFE for this set of patches. Anything that I need to do? | 22:50 |
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| stevebaker | tango: if the blueprint is still in rc1 then the FFE is accepted :) | 22:50 |
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| tango | stevebaker: (dumb question) what's rc1? :) | 22:55 |
| stevebaker | tango: sorry, https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 22:56 |
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| zaneb | andersonvom: haven't changed anything, afaik it should still work | 22:57 |
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| andersonvom | zaneb: yeah... I just noticed we need to install plugins to /usr first in order for them to work (or remove setup.py :P) | 22:58 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: ah, I was going to ask about that. so those all do have FFEs | 22:59 |
| andersonvom | zaneb: IMO, it should still work by just pointing plugin_dirs to heat/contrib/plugin_name, though, without having to run setup.py for each plugin =( | 22:59 |
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| zaneb | andersonvom: wait, did Angus's patch land then? | 23:00 |
| * zaneb has been away for a week | 23:00 | |
| stevebaker | zaneb: ttx is fine with those having exceptions. You probably want to go through them yourself and cast any out. Also check the ones which I purged | 23:00 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: ok, cool. where is the purged list? in next? | 23:01 |
| andersonvom | zaneb: if the patch changed the way plugins are setup, then yes: now you have to run setup.py for the plugin to some other directory first, and use this directory in plugin_dirs | 23:01 |
| zaneb | andersonvom: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103044/ was the patch I was thinking of. It hasn't landed | 23:02 |
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| randallburt | andersonvom: asalkeld's patch changes the entire resource plugin mechanism. I don't think that's merged yet. The client plugin stuff merged but the resource plugins are loaded the same way | 23:02 |
| zaneb | oh, what kind of plugins are we talking about? | 23:03 |
| zaneb | that probably should have been my first question ;) | 23:03 |
| andersonvom | zaneb: I meant the way to enable contrib/ plugins, we now have to run the plugin's setup.py to install the plugin somewhere else and then point plugin_dirs (in heat.conf) to this new location | 23:04 |
| andersonvom | zaneb: i.e. you can't just point plugin_dirs to contrib/plugin_name (in a dev setup, for instance) | 23:04 |
| zaneb | oh, because each top-level thing isn't a Python module | 23:05 |
| zaneb | but it seems like "enable all contrib plugins" is something you rarely want to do irl | 23:05 |
| andersonvom | well, not "enable all plugins", but rather, "oh, I want to enable this other plugin. let me add it to plugin_dirs.... BOOM" | 23:06 |
| zaneb | if you add e.g. contrib/rackspace/rackspace to plugin_dirs then it should work fine | 23:06 |
| andersonvom | yeah... that's... annoying. | 23:08 |
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| zaneb | because you have to say rackspace twice? | 23:08 |
| andersonvom | precisely | 23:08 |
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| zaneb | still better than running setup.py ;) | 23:10 |
| andersonvom | hehe true, but not ideal | 23:11 |
| andersonvom | =P | 23:11 |
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| SpamapS | say rackspace three times and it will possess your entire cloud | 23:14 |
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