Wednesday, 2014-09-17

tchaypofor that particular type of change? SGTM00:01
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asalkeldstevebaker, do we support relative paths for provider templates? I thought is was just for get_file()01:12
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stevebakerasalkeld: I thought we did01:39
asalkeldok01:39
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/heat: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/10516601:54
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openstackgerritSteve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add volume backup/restore integration test  https://review.openstack.org/11315802:18
openstackgerritSteve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Move test_autoscaling from tempest to heat  https://review.openstack.org/11218902:18
openstackgerritSteve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Support classes for heat integration tests  https://review.openstack.org/11049602:18
openstackgerritSteve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Integration test for software-config tools  https://review.openstack.org/11371102:18
openstackgerritSteve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Move test_server_cfn_init from tempest to heat  https://review.openstack.org/11049702:18
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openstackgerritAdrian Vladu proposed a change to openstack/heat-templates: HOT for MSSQL Server 2012 SP2 with unit tests  https://review.openstack.org/12028902:39
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openstackgerritAdrian Vladu proposed a change to openstack/heat-templates: HOT for MSSQL Server 2012 SP2 with unit tests  https://review.openstack.org/12028902:46
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tchaypohuzzah!04:25
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asalkeld bbl: daddy taxi04:38
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/heat: Imported Translations from Transifex  https://review.openstack.org/12000406:08
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openstackgerritEthan Lynn proposed a change to openstack/heat: Switch heat resources & db & tests to oslo.i18n  https://review.openstack.org/10951006:42
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shardyasalkeld: Hey, do you want me to abandon those test reviews I pushed, or is it better if you just take them over and push to the series (just the tests and I'll rebase the other stuff later?)07:08
asalkeldhi shardy07:09
asalkeldno leave them, i'll sort them out07:09
shardyasalkeld: Ok, cool - was meaning to ping you about those yesterday but lost the day digging into broken eventlet stuff07:09
asalkeldno worries, i'll just dislocate them from your patches07:10
shardyasalkeld: Ok, sounds good, thanks!07:10
asalkeldit'll be quicker for us to get them in07:10
asalkeld(new keyboard)07:10
shardyYeah agreed, now there's no time pressure re the decouple-nested series it makes more sense07:11
asalkeldgetting used to it = slow going07:11
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asalkeldi don't surpose there is a gome extension to show mulitple tz in the top bar?07:15
asalkeldhttps://extensions.gnome.org/extension/605/multiclock/07:17
openstackgerrithuangtianhua proposed a change to openstack/heat: Fix network_gateway residue when resource deletion  https://review.openstack.org/12067907:21
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/heat: Pass list of parameters to engine service to reset  https://review.openstack.org/10928407:32
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pas-hamorning all07:34
pas-haso, how is our gate, alive?07:34
asalkeldhi pas-ha07:39
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cmystermorning07:51
cmystershardy: got a minute ?07:51
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bdossanthi! I'm creating a custom image for our deployments with heat-cfntools. Should i use the package from the epel or rdo repo?08:04
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inc0good morning everyone08:19
cmystermorning08:19
shardycmyster: Hi, I do now08:20
shardybdossant: It shouldn't really matter, are they the same version, and what OS?08:20
cmysterbdossant: hi, any reason why not using something ready?08:20
cmystershardy: sec I closed that window...08:20
inc0tell me guys, will convergence-contionus-observer try to fix stack if stack was already completed but hardware fails, instance dies and quorum get lost?08:22
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shardyinc0: not initially, no, but it's been discussed as a possible future direction08:26
bdossantshardy: SLC6 = CERN repack of red hat08:26
bdossantcmyster: we have our on disto, CERN SLC608:26
inc0shardy, are you on virt-intel-list? you had chance to see discussion about that there?08:27
shardyinc0: No, I'm not08:27
* shardy wonders if that's a slightly odd place to discuss heat ;)08:27
shardyinc0: my understanding of the steps go something like this:08:28
shardy1. Spread load of observation (more scalable polling basically)08:28
shardy2. Enable user-initiated convergence (check state and align world with template)08:28
shardy3. Continuous observation and auto healing08:28
shardyinc0: we've just started step 108:29
shardywith some work (stack check) related to step 2 completed08:29
inc0shardy, I'm trying to fit my more advanced autohealing (using shared storage and so on) to it08:29
cmysterbdossant: I see, well as shardy said, safest would be to make sure that the versions correspond to what RHEL of the same version has08:30
inc0so we could kill 2 birds with one stone- get autohealing going and help with convergence08:30
shardyinc0: Yup, from out previous discussions I was thinking your use-case would be a pattern enabled by step (2)08:30
inc0cool, so I'll gather my ideas and post it to openstack-dev to get broader discussion08:31
inc0just wanted to confirm that I understand convergence idea correctly08:31
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shardyinc0: sure - I think step (1) has been pretty well defined in the specs posted by clint, and there is more uncertainty (to be discussed in Paris probably) regarding the design for the subsequent steps08:32
inc0yeah, I'd love to have some concrete specs to talk about in Paris08:34
inc0anyway, I'm getting to this openstakc-dev email;) thanks for clarification08:34
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openstackgerritPavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement CFN CancelUpdateStack action  https://review.openstack.org/10285209:07
openstackgerritPavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Refactor AWS::EC2::SecurityGroup resource  https://review.openstack.org/11630409:11
openstackgerritPavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement update of AWS::EC2::SecurityGroup rules  https://review.openstack.org/8854809:11
openstackgerritPavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Unittests: refactor AWS::EC2::SecurityGroup tests  https://review.openstack.org/12120709:11
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openstackgerritAngus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: Unit test autoscaling._calculate_new_capacity  https://review.openstack.org/11890710:10
openstackgerritAngus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: Move TestInstanceGroup to test_instance_group.py  https://review.openstack.org/11890610:10
openstackgerritAngus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: Rewrite AutoScalingGroup adjustment tests as unit tests  https://review.openstack.org/11894810:10
openstackgerritAngus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: Convert the autoscaling policy tests into unit tests  https://review.openstack.org/11890910:10
openstackgerritAngus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: Move some AutoScalingGroup validation tests to a separate file  https://review.openstack.org/11890810:10
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/python-heatclient: Display stack owner info on stack-list  https://review.openstack.org/11604610:30
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openstackgerritIonut-Madalin Balutoiu proposed a change to openstack/heat-templates: HOT for IIS with Drupal  https://review.openstack.org/12020210:40
openstackgerritIonut-Madalin Balutoiu proposed a change to openstack/heat-templates: HOT for IIS with Drupal  https://review.openstack.org/12020210:47
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ryansbGood (us-east) morning all. Here's a new version of the heat reviewer dashboard for everyone http://bit.ly/WIeqqA11:40
asalkeldthat's awesome ryansb11:43
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ryansbmeeting time11:59
zanebmy clock says 1 minute ;)12:00
zanebok go12:00
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ryansbzaneb: I added time to type /join12:01
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asalkeldpas-ha meeting12:02
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openstackgerritTomas Sedovic proposed a change to openstack/heat: Remove instance_user and admin_user options  https://review.openstack.org/10392812:07
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RedStackHas anyone played with Scaling Policy to kill new machines instead of the default(kill older ones) ?12:52
RedStackThis is for heat12:53
shardyRedStack: currently you can't control that, but adding that as an option has been discussed12:55
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shardyand also the idea of specifying specific instances which should be killed12:55
RedStackThanks shardy. Is there some link to follow the discussion around these features?12:56
shardyRedStack: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/autoscaling-parameters is the most related BP I'm aware of12:57
RedStackThanks Shardy , exactly what I was looking for.12:59
shardyRedStack: also https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TripleO/TuskarJunoPlanning#Heat_313:00
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shardywhich records some requirements for Tuskar related to autoscaling (most of which unfortunately have not yet landed)13:00
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RedStackNot very familiar with the release roadmap. I know that Juno is coming up. Is TuskarJuno gonna be a minor release?13:03
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shardyRedStack: No Tuskar is another project, which plans to use some heat autoscaling features in future13:04
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shardyin the end their requirements for Juno didn't include most of those items, so they were somewhat deprioritized13:04
shardybut it's likely some of those features will make it into Heat during the Kilo development cycle (e.g in the next 6 months)13:04
d0ugalwoo :)13:05
shardyRedStack: unfortunately for the upcoming Juno release, you'll only have the existing (oldest first) behavior13:05
RedStackThe Stack preview  would be really nice to have.13:06
shardyRedStack: That's already landed :)13:06
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RedStackIn Icehouse?13:07
inc0I've sent this email I've been talking about on meeting :)13:07
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shardyRedStack: by the looks of it yes, it is in Icehouse13:10
shardyhttps://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/stable/icehouse/heat/engine/service.py#L45313:11
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Qiming_RedStack, maybe you can help review this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110379/13:11
RedStack@Shardy: Ok, not sure which Icehouse version we are using. It was not there today morning. Will see if we can upgrade to get these features :-)13:12
shardyRedStack: possibly you may need a more recent python-heatclient?13:12
RedStackShardy: We are using the Redhat distibution. I will check tomorrow morning.13:13
RedStackQiming_ : Ok I will have a look13:13
thervezaneb, Should we finish the move to oslo.i18n?13:16
therveI fear the current situation may be weird13:16
zanebit's not finished?13:16
zanebyeah, a halfway state sounds potentially painful13:17
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therveStill 4 patches to go13:17
RedStackAnother question for everyone, Is it possible to apply a scalingpolicy to multiple scaling groups?13:18
therveRedStack, No13:20
zanebRedStack: no. "policy" is probably a bad name. think of it as an alarm conditioner13:20
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RedStackOk13:20
RedStackI was having trouble today with the hidden property for a parameter. I specified it to be hidden : true but it dint hide the value . Did anyone face similar issue?13:23
RedStackI'm on Icehouse.13:24
zanebRedStack: didn't hide the value, as in it was echoed back when you do show stack?13:24
RedStackNo I was on the GUI13:25
zanebok, close enough ;)13:25
zaneband you're using HOT presumably?13:25
RedStackYes ,  heat_template_version: 2013-05-2313:26
zanebhmm, so maybe you should define 'hidden'. Where/when did you see it showing up in the GUI that you didn't expect?13:27
RedStackWe wanted to paramerize some values which could be filled by tenants on the GUI. There is the option to put HOT as direct input. And if you go to the next page, after pasting the template, all the params should get input fields. I thought the hidden property would hide text inputs.13:29
RedStackOr I assumed wrong?13:30
zanebby "hide text inputs" you mean display them like password fields as you're entering text?13:31
RedStackyes exactly13:31
zanebit probably should, but it's likely a Horizon bug if it doesn't :)13:32
zanebthat's not the primary purpose of "hidden" though13:32
RedStackHmm probably should ask this in the horizon channel13:32
zanebthe primary purpose is to stop you from getting the value out of Heat after you've created the stack13:33
RedStackOk13:33
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RedStackThanks Zaneb.13:34
zanebnp13:35
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openstackgerritAdrien Vergé proposed a change to openstack/heat-specs: Support Cinder API version 2  https://review.openstack.org/12215313:40
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openstackgerritAdrien Vergé proposed a change to openstack/heat-specs: Support Cinder scheduler hints  https://review.openstack.org/12215713:46
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DaveJ__Hi Guys, I have an autoscaling group, that will scale OS::Nova::Server.  The Server has the name attribute set.13:53
DaveJ__When instances scale up, is there anyway to have it append a value to the name.  i..e  if the name = webserver, I would get instances with names webserver-01, webserver-02 ?13:53
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Qiming_DaveJ__, I don't think so.14:03
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Qiming_DaveJ__, a related feature has been added to ResourceGroup recently, which you can try if you have an install not very old.14:05
shardyYou can use index_var for recent ResourceGroup resources, but we've not yet aligned AutoScalingGroup with that14:05
shardyWhen Qiming_ has finished refactoring the AutoScaling resources, it'll all be consistent ;)14:06
Qiming_shardy, yes, I really hope so.14:06
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ryansbzaneb: New heatdash (now watches for proposal bot) http://bit.ly/1qLh10l14:29
ryansbalso now available on the wiki: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat#Development14:31
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openstackgerritSteven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Swap trusts delegated from from heat_stack_owner to _member_  https://review.openstack.org/11941515:04
openstackgerritSteven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Switch config deferred_auth_method to trusts by default  https://review.openstack.org/12217715:04
shardyderekh: Hey, if I mark a patch WIP, will the tripleo check job still run?15:04
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derekhshardy: I think so15:08
shardyderekh: Ok, thanks - I've just posted those patches to see what tripleo makes of a move to using trusts15:09
shardylsmola has tested a similar configuration and apparently it works OK15:09
derekhshardy: ok15:09
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/heat: Set the default state of a stack to CREATE_IN_PROGRESS  https://review.openstack.org/11920715:16
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shardywow finding eventlet bugs is hard :(15:48
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DaveJ__Qiming_: I'm on the icehouse release - would it be available in that ?15:53
Qiming_DaveJ__, no plan yet.15:53
DaveJ__Qiming_ Thanks.  Looks like I'll have to figure something else out for now.  Cheers15:54
Qiming_DaveJ__, no problem.15:54
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uberjhow do I apply a softwareconfig to an autoscaling group?16:07
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shardyuberj: I'd create a template containing one server, config and deployment resource, then use OS::Heat::AutoScaling group to scale out however many stacks you need16:12
shardyI wrote a blog post about similar usage of ResourceGroup recently16:12
shardyhttp://hardysteven.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/using-heat-resourcegroup-resources.html16:12
uberjshardy: thanks, yeah I'm looking at the example autoscaling.yaml and seeing how they are calling out to an external lb_server.yaml16:14
uberjwill read the post though, thanks16:15
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andersonvomstevebaker: you around?17:32
andersonvom15h of idle time, so I'm thinking no... =P17:35
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larsksAre there any documented examples out there using HARestarter?  There are some examples in the heat-templates repo, but they seem to be pre-ceilometer and don't document how the triggering metrics are created.17:59
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mspreitzlarsks: are you still there?19:10
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larsksmspreitz: Yup!19:10
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mspreitzI have an example I can share, although it is not committed to any repo; I'll just cite a paste here19:11
larsksThat would be awesome, thanks.19:11
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mspreitzlarsks: See http://paste.openstack.org/show/112583/19:12
mspreitzthat shows how to create an OS::Nova::Server with health maintenance19:13
larsksIs the network.services.lb.member metric something that gets created automatically?19:13
larsksOr did you have to explicitly configure that to be generated/collected?19:13
mspreitzYes, as of something that was merged on June 1019:13
larsksAh, okay.19:13
mspreitzBTW, it was broken by two bugs in August19:14
* larsks has been there :)19:14
mspreitzone has been fixed, the other fix is in progress ... let me get you the review...19:14
mspreitzSee https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117141/ for a direct fix that has been sidelined in favor of bringing the fix through the oslo incubation process19:15
larsksThanks, I will take a look at that.19:15
mspreitzyou're welcome19:16
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mspreitzlarsks: your problem might be that one or both of those bugs diverted you from seeing what should work19:20
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larsksmspreitz: Oh, I haven't gotten that far yet. :)19:20
mspreitzOK.  When you do, note that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117051/ is the fix that was recently merged; the other review I cited is for a bug with no fix merged yet19:21
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stevebakerandersonvom: \o19:55
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stevebakerI'd like to to a python-heatclient release today21:16
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stevebakerzaneb: could you review the osprofiler heatclient patch? I think that is the last approval for a release https://review.openstack.org/#/c/118118/21:20
zanebstevebaker: have we landed the client support for all of the new features that made it in to juno?21:22
stevebakerzaneb: they are all approved and in-flight https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-heatclient,n,z21:22
stevebakerzaneb: is abandon --preview a thing in the API?21:23
stevebakerhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/84680/21:23
zanebno idea21:23
shardy_afkI thought it never landed..21:23
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shardyhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/84664/21:24
stevebakeralso it doesn't look like client snapshots is ready yet. We can always do another release for K https://review.openstack.org/#/c/92127/21:24
stevebakerI mean Juno21:24
zanebstevebaker: I believe snapshots are in, but snapshot restore is not21:25
zanebI guess both are in that patch, which makes it awkward21:26
stevebakerI'll ask for a split21:27
andersonvomstevebaker: hey, I just wanted to bounce some ideas off of you wrt https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121979/2/specs/detailed-resource-show.rst21:27
stevebakerandersonvom: yep21:28
andersonvomstevebaker: do you think this is worth adding a new endpoint as opposed to just add some --attribute option to resource-show, for instance?21:28
andersonvomstevebaker: e.g. heat resource-show stack res --attr a1 --attr a2...21:29
stevebakerandersonvom: that seems reasonable21:29
shardyandersonvom: ref that discussion with mtreinish recently, we'll probably be forced to stop adding arguments to things soon, or address the API versioning issues21:29
andersonvomshardy: ooooh, that!21:30
shardy(not saying that should block this work necessarily, just something for us all to think about)21:30
andersonvomshardy: regardless of how we choose to proceed, any work done in this area would require a bump in the API, right?21:32
andersonvomeither to add extra params to resource-show or to create a whole new endpoint21:32
shardyandersonvom: probably, yeah, I guess it's something we need to work out either way21:33
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andersonvomshardy, stevebaker: would you have a stronger preference to extra params / new endpoint for this spec?21:39
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stevebakerandersonvom: having a separate endpoint would be nice for those who want to write scripts to consume the attribute value. GET /stacks/<stack_id>/<resource_name>/<attribute_name>21:42
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andersonvomstevebaker: wouldn't the same apply for resource-show? Something like: GET /stacks/stack_id/res_name?with=accessipv4&with=accessipv621:52
stevebakerandersonvom: but that would return json for the whole resource rather than a raw attribute value21:53
andersonvomstevebaker: oh, you mean returning JUST the attribute value? I see..21:54
stevebakeryep21:54
stevebakerbonus points for correctly setting the mime type on the response21:54
andersonvomI can see value in that, but having that alone makes it annoying to retrieve several attributes at a time, right?21:55
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andersonvomI do like the idea of having both, really, specially because of different mime types21:57
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asalkeldmoaning22:10
asalkeld:-)22:10
andersonvommorning! =]22:10
andersonvomor afternoon, depending on the side of the planet22:11
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tchaypostevebaker: so trying it again last night, I can definitely see retries23:14
tchaypohttp://paste.openstack.org/show/112634/23:15
tchayposo that's nice.23:15
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miguelgrinbergforgive me if this is a silly question. I was given a heat template to work with. This template is version 2013-05-23, but does not parse with the icehouse release of heat. I found that it uses new features, added post icehouse, I need to use master to work with it.23:33
miguelgrinbergThe errors I'm getting are obscure, things such as "property X not found"23:33
miguelgrinbergshouldn't the version change when new things are added to the template language?23:33
stevebakertchaypo: oh, thats good23:33
stevebakermiguelgrinberg: the template version refers the the template syntax, not the features of the resources available. We're working towards generating documentation which specifies the release which a resource or property was added23:35
miguelgrinbergokay, I see. So basically there is no way for me to know which version of heat a template is supposed to work with. The version is not for that.23:36
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stevebakermiguelgrinberg: you can use heat resource-type-list and resource-type-show to know what specific resource features you have23:38
tchaypoyeah. it looks like the real problem I'm having is whatever is causing the creates to fail, exacerbated by whatever is causing the deletes to fail23:39
tchaypoand either way that's not heat.23:39
miguelgrinbergstevebaker: I'll keep that in mind. This particular template I'm using uses resource types that exist in icehouse, but they've got new properties now. Neutron::Subnet and Heat::RandomString are the ones I have found so far that have changed post icehouse.23:40
stevebakermiguelgrinberg: or wait for the documentation fixes to land to tell you which openstack releases resource/property features landed in23:40
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stevebakermiguelgrinberg: also, "property X not found" doesn't sound too obscure. If you can think of an improvement to that validation message then please raise a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat23:41
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miguelgrinbergstevebaker: the exact message reads "Unknown Property network". It does not say which resource (I have a few in this template that have a property with that name). It would also be nice to get a line number with the error, though that is probably much larger effort23:44
asalkeldamazing responses to requests vendoring, people actually arguing for it23:44
miguelgrinbergstevebaker: so I'll go ahead and write some bugs :-)23:45
stevebakermiguelgrinberg: the yaml is parsed too early for line numbers, but a path is something I've wanted for a long time but nobody has done it yet. resources.server.properties: Unknown property network23:46
stevebakermiguelgrinberg: thanks23:46
miguelgrinbergstevebaker: yes, the path would be enough. Sounds like I've got myself a little project here.23:46
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stevebakermiguelgrinberg: it could be general enough for all sorts of errors, not just validation23:47
miguelgrinbergstevebaker: is there a blueprint with the path enhancement (does it deserve one if not?)23:48
stevebakermiguelgrinberg: this looks close enough https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/user-friendly-template-errors23:49
miguelgrinbergexcellent, I'll see how far I can take it. Thanks!23:50
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