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| stevebaker | asalkeld_: \o/ | 00:23 |
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| asalkeld_ | :-O - scary | 00:23 |
| asalkeld_ | still gotta get elected | 00:24 |
| asalkeld_ | stevebaker, did you see this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122627/ | 00:37 |
| asalkeld_ | it builds the dashboard for you | 00:37 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld_: cool | 00:38 |
| asalkeld_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/dashboard/?foreach=status%3Aopen+NOT+owner%3Aself&title=Priortized+Bug+Fix+Dashboard&&Milestone+juno-rc1+Importance+High=change%3A122592+OR+change%3A121693+OR+change%3A122568&Milestone+juno-rc1+Importance+Medium=change%3A90109+OR+change%3A84664+OR+change%3A110713+OR+change%3A122274&Milestone+juno-rc1+Importance+Low=change%3A117076 | 00:39 |
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| cmyster | morning | 03:00 |
| Qiming_ | morning | 03:00 |
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| larsks | I am trying to put together an example using an HARestarter resource. If I want to trigger a restart based on service availability, do I need an external monitoring solution to feed an appropriate meter to ceilometer? | 03:02 |
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| larsks | (here "service availability" meaning something like "successful connection to a particular tcp socket" or "received a specific response code from web server"...pretty much the same checks implemented by a Neutron HealthMonitor.) | 03:03 |
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| asalkeld_ | larsks, hold on - I'll get a link | 03:07 |
| asalkeld_ | larsks, are you using ceilometer or os::heat::cwlitealarm | 03:08 |
| larsks | asalkeld_: well, right now I'm not using either :). I was hoping to use ceilometer, but as far as I can tell I need to either feed it data externally, or just use a completely external solution and trigger the AlarmUrl for the resource directly. | 03:09 |
| larsks | I was basically checking whether or not my reading of things is correct. | 03:09 |
| Qiming | larsks, have checked http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/heat-templates/tree/cfn/F17/WordPress_Single_Instance_With_HA.yaml ? | 03:09 |
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| asalkeld_ | cfn-push-stats | 03:10 |
| larsks | Qiming: I did. It's using a CloudWatch alarm, which I thought was supposed to be deprecated by ceilometer these days, and it's referering to a metric named "servicefailure" and I'm not sure where that comes from. | 03:10 |
| asalkeld_ | https://github.com/openstack/heat-cfntools/blob/master/bin/cfn-push-stats#L59 | 03:10 |
| larsks | asalkeld_: Ah, thanks. | 03:11 |
| asalkeld_ | larsks, all that does is send a metric to ceilometer with the name "servicefailure" | 03:11 |
| larsks | Okay, that was my next question (are metrics reported by cfn-push-stats visible in ceilometer). | 03:12 |
| asalkeld_ | then it makes an alarm to check for any such message | 03:12 |
| asalkeld_ | it's a bit ugly, but they go to heat, then get redirceted to ceilometer | 03:12 |
| larsks | Okay. I will have to take a closer look tomorrow. Thanks for the pointers! | 03:13 |
| asalkeld_ | it was until ceilometer had it's own in guest client | 03:13 |
| asalkeld_ | larsks, i wrote some of that | 03:13 |
| larsks | ...there's an in-guest client for ceilometer that is different from cfn-push-stats? | 03:13 |
| asalkeld_ | so happy to answer questions | 03:13 |
| asalkeld_ | larsks, you could use python-ceilometerclient | 03:14 |
| asalkeld_ | but not sure if it handles keypairs | 03:14 |
| asalkeld_ | (no expiring tokens) | 03:14 |
| asalkeld_ | larsks, what client are you thinking of? | 03:15 |
| asalkeld_ | I may be behind the times here:-O | 03:15 |
| larsks | asalkeld_: I was just responding to your comment, "it was until ceilometer had it's own in guest client", which made me perk up. | 03:15 |
| asalkeld_ | so I am not aware of one (other than the normal python client) | 03:16 |
| larsks | Okay, got it. | 03:16 |
| larsks | I have to disappear for now, but I will undoubtedly have followup questions. Thanks again! | 03:16 |
| asalkeld_ | no probem | 03:16 |
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| asalkeld_ | remote: New Changes: | 03:29 |
| asalkeld_ | remote: https://review.openstack.org/123039 | 03:29 |
| asalkeld_ | juno-rc1 bug ^ | 03:29 |
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| asalkeld_ | stevebaker, i think there are a lot of bugs that your patch will fix | 05:01 |
| asalkeld_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1360415 | 05:01 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1360415 in heat "test_nova_keypair_resources fails with UserKeyPairMissing" [Undecided,New] | 05:01 |
| asalkeld_ | (stable/icehouse) | 05:01 |
| asalkeld_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1365159 | 05:01 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1365159 in tempest "check-tempest-* fail due to heat duplicate option" [Undecided,Invalid] | 05:01 |
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| stevebaker | asalkeld_: you mean my delete commit fix? | 05:02 |
| asalkeld_ | yip | 05:02 |
| asalkeld_ | tho' not always easy to prove | 05:02 |
| stevebaker | yeah, and who wants to run postgres to find them? | 05:03 |
| asalkeld_ | lol | 05:04 |
| asalkeld_ | it's easy enough in devstack isn't it? | 05:04 |
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| stevebaker | sure, I've done it. But I'd rather run what everyone else does | 05:05 |
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| asalkeld_ | i wonder how many people actually use all our options | 05:07 |
| asalkeld_ | like we could remove half the options and maybe 1 person would notice | 05:07 |
| stevebaker | speaking of which, I'm just trying to resurrect heat-standalone in devstack | 05:08 |
| asalkeld_ | to test? | 05:08 |
| asalkeld_ | (functional test?) | 05:08 |
| asalkeld_ | good idea | 05:08 |
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| stevebaker | well, eventually. Just to get it working at all currently, and to fix bug 1302578 | 05:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1302578 in heat "Required credentials are missing when heat-engine calls heatclient operations" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1302578 | 05:09 |
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| * cmyster Hmmms | 05:18 | |
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| sdake | hey stevebaker | 06:19 |
| sdake | I found my answer to my q thanks | 06:19 |
| sdake | anyone know when shardy popped out the kiddo? | 06:19 |
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| cmyster | sdake: it would be strange if HE had. | 06:21 |
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| pas-ha | morning all | 07:34 |
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| sdake | cmyster rathre his wife :) | 07:36 |
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| pas-ha | guys, I see references to AWS::CloudWatch::Alarm in several places (like tests and AWS Loadbalancer) but can't find were is it defined :/ can someone point me to that place? | 08:12 |
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| Qiming__ | pas-ha, /etc/heat/environment.d/default.yaml | 08:21 |
| pas-ha | Qiming__, thanks | 08:22 |
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| ckmvishnu | who should i actually vote for PTL | 08:25 |
| ckmvishnu | how | 08:25 |
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| pas-ha | ckmvishnu, you should receive an email with a link to a poll, but the voting is not opened yet, now is the phase of announcing candidacies | 10:34 |
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| zigo | I have an issue with generating the sphinx doc in the Heat package: | 11:04 |
| zigo | http://pastebin.com/f0aENxdX | 11:04 |
| zigo | Anyone has an idea ? | 11:04 |
| zigo | stevebaker: ^ | 11:04 |
| therve | zigo, How do you generate it? | 11:05 |
| cmyster | no template version in the template file? | 11:06 |
| zigo | therve: sphinx-build -b html doc/source $(CURDIR)/debian/heat-doc/usr/share/doc/heat-doc/html | 11:06 |
| zigo | Maybe I should add PYTHONPATH=. ? | 11:06 |
| therve | zigo, Heat needs to be "installed" for docs to be built | 11:06 |
| zigo | No way. | 11:06 |
| therve | Or so it seems | 11:06 |
| therve | So maybe pip install -e . | 11:07 |
| zigo | Trying with PYTHONPATH=. ... | 11:07 |
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| zigo | Ah cool, that was the solution ! :) | 11:07 |
| zigo | Sorry for bothering. | 11:07 |
| zigo | That's a "classic" issue ... | 11:07 |
| zigo | Ah no. | 11:08 |
| zigo | Spoke too early. | 11:08 |
| zigo | Still fails ... | 11:08 |
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| zigo | therve: There's no way I can do "pip install -e ." when building a debian package ! | 11:08 |
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| therve | zigo, Maybe a build is enough | 11:09 |
| zigo | therve: What do you mean? | 11:09 |
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| therve | zigo, python setup.py build (-i?) | 11:10 |
| zigo | therve: Heat is built in $(CURDIR)/build/lib.linux-x86_64-2.7/heat/ when I generate the docs... | 11:10 |
| therve | zigo, So maybe use that as your doc source? | 11:11 |
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| zigo | therve: As in? | 11:11 |
| zigo | What command line would you use? | 11:11 |
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| therve | sphinx-buld -b html $(CURDIR)/build/lib.linux-x86_64-2.7/heat/doc/source [...] | 11:12 |
| zigo | It's looking like python setup.py build_sphinx works. | 11:13 |
| zigo | I think I'll use that... | 11:13 |
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| Qiming | when doing 'git review', I'm getting "Errors running git rebase -p -i remotes/gerrit/master", and | 13:10 |
| Qiming | "Interactive rebase already started" | 13:11 |
| Qiming | how to solve this? | 13:11 |
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| ryansb | Qiming: git rebase --abort | 13:16 |
| ryansb | then you should be able to gitreview normally | 13:17 |
| Qiming | ryansb, trying, but got a conflict, looking | 13:17 |
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| ryansb | Yeah, well once you resolve it you should be set. | 13:21 |
| adrienverge | Hi | 13:27 |
| adrienverge | Anyone interested in being able to pass scheduler hints to Cinder? | 13:27 |
| adrienverge | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122157/ | 13:27 |
| adrienverge | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122153/ | 13:27 |
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| pas-ha | given https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105907/ this will be needed indeed | 13:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/python-heatclient: Fix stack update for Python API https://review.openstack.org/122690 | 13:47 |
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| Qiming | I believe I have successfully made the git tree status a mess, ;) | 13:48 |
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| adrienverge | Qiming: make sure you save your changes, then: git reset --hard; git checkout master | 13:52 |
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| Qiming | adrienverge, that ... is not acceptable, can I just cherry-pick the changes? | 13:53 |
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| adrienverge | Qiming: are you changes commited somewhere? | 13:54 |
| adrienverge | Then git checkout master; git cherry-pick would be a good option | 13:54 |
| Qiming | yes, I have four of them, each depending on another -- a big mistake, :< | 13:54 |
| adrienverge | Qiming: going in private, since this is not the topic here ;) | 13:55 |
| Qiming | adrienverge, thanks | 13:55 |
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| larsks | I am generating EC2 credentials in a heat template to use with cfn-push-stats, but I'm getting a "User is not authorized to perform action" error when running "cfn-push-stats --heartbeat". Would someone mind taking a quick look at a template to make sure I'm not missing something obvious? | 14:43 |
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| zigo | It's looking like to me there's a missing "cliff (>= 1.6)" in test-requirements.txt in Juno b3. | 15:01 |
| zigo | Has this been fixed since? | 15:01 |
| zigo | Also, the route!=2.0 in requirements.txt is annoying me, because it's a perfectly valid version that we current use in Debian. | 15:01 |
| zigo | The only reaon for it to be broken is the PyPi release, but the Debian package is ok. | 15:02 |
| zigo | So I have to patch requirements.txt in Debian. | 15:02 |
| zigo | That's ok-ish, but it'd be nice if I could avoid it... | 15:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Qiming Teng proposed a change to openstack/heat: Make InstanceGroup subclass of ResourceGroup https://review.openstack.org/119619 | 15:02 |
| zigo | Anyone has thoughts on this? | 15:02 |
| * zigo uploaded Juno b3 of heat in Debian experimental a few minutes ago. | 15:02 | |
| ryansb | zigo: is this in heat, or heat-client? | 15:03 |
| zigo | ryansb: In heat. | 15:03 |
| ryansb | I'll take a look at it. If you can open a launchpad bug for the missing cliff dep I'll work on fixing it | 15:03 |
| zigo | ryansb: Thanks, doing it. | 15:04 |
| ryansb | as for the route!=2.0, I don't know why we don't use that version. I think you'd probably be best off looking in old bugs or checking https://ask.openstack.org/en/questions/ | 15:04 |
| ryansb | zigo: thanks for the report | 15:05 |
| zigo | ryansb: As I said, it's because the PyPi release is broken, but this doesn't concern the Debian package. | 15:06 |
| zigo | (or any other distro.) | 15:06 |
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| ryansb | Gotcha. | 15:07 |
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| Qiming | how can I remove a patchset? | 15:12 |
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| zaneb | Qiming: remove it from where? | 15:15 |
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| Qiming | zaneb, I did a stupid commit | 15:15 |
| Qiming | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119619/ | 15:16 |
| Qiming | I want to rollback to patchset 2, patchset 3 is something else ... the whole rebase is a nightmare | 15:16 |
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| zaneb | Qiming: oh, you can't remove just one patchset. just fix up the ChangeIds and submit the one you actually want | 15:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Qiming Teng proposed a change to openstack/heat: Make InstanceGroup subclass of ResourceGroup https://review.openstack.org/119619 | 15:17 |
| Qiming | zaneb, I now manually commited patchset 4, which is actually the old patchset 2 | 15:18 |
| Qiming | but the dependency from other patches are messed up now | 15:19 |
| openstackgerrit | Qiming Teng proposed a change to openstack/heat: Remove _environment method from ASG. https://review.openstack.org/120409 | 15:20 |
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| zaneb | Qiming: yeah, you need to rearrange your whole local branch into the state you want it, then git review again to get the right dependency relationships in Gerrit | 15:23 |
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| larsks | I am getting '403 AccessDenied' errors running cfn-push-stats with apparently correct credentials...where should I be looking? | 15:29 |
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| larsks | The CFN api is return a 403 error, but keystone is returning a 401 in response to a request to /ec2tokens. | 15:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Vijendar Komalla proposed a change to openstack/heat: Encrypt Heat template hidden parameters https://review.openstack.org/97900 | 15:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Vijendar Komalla proposed a change to openstack/heat: Support for encrypt/decrypt parameters in heat-manage https://review.openstack.org/119836 | 15:50 |
| sjmc7 | hi all. in https://github.com/openstack/python-heatclient/blob/3ff5700a9b27312c22b3acfb13d655e2ecda0831/heatclient/v1/stacks.py#L125, the 'existing' argument is mandatory | 15:50 |
| sjmc7 | was there a reason it wasn't made part of the function signature, does anyone know? | 15:51 |
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| zaneb | sjmc7: that seems like a mistake | 15:54 |
| sjmc7 | ok. i'll file it as a bug. the previous behavior would have been to default to 'False' i guess | 15:54 |
| zaneb | sjmc7: it should say "if kwargs.pop('existing', False)" | 15:54 |
| sjmc7 | ok | 15:54 |
| zaneb | correct | 15:55 |
| sjmc7 | ok, thanks | 15:55 |
| sjmc7 | the names a bit misleading too | 15:55 |
| sjmc7 | it only refers to parameters, right? | 15:55 |
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| zaneb | at the moment, yes | 15:55 |
| zaneb | but in the future, you'll probably be able to do the same with the template | 15:56 |
| sjmc7 | ah, right | 15:56 |
| zaneb | i.e. supply only new parameters and not pass the old template | 15:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Qiming Teng proposed a change to openstack/heat: Make InstanceGroup subclass of ResourceGroup https://review.openstack.org/119619 | 16:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Qiming Teng proposed a change to openstack/heat: Remove _environment method from ASG. https://review.openstack.org/120409 | 16:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Qiming Teng proposed a change to openstack/heat: Remove timeout from ResourceGroup method call. https://review.openstack.org/120676 | 16:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Qiming Teng proposed a change to openstack/heat: Remove _environment method from ASG. https://review.openstack.org/120409 | 16:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Qiming Teng proposed a change to openstack/heat: Make InstanceGroup subclass of ResourceGroup https://review.openstack.org/119619 | 16:23 |
| pas-ha | sjmc7, that is alreadu resolved in latest client master | 16:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Qiming Teng proposed a change to openstack/heat: Remove unncecessary child_params parameter. https://review.openstack.org/120756 | 16:25 |
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| sjmc7 | ah, ok pas-ha | 16:29 |
| sjmc7 | my apologies | 16:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Qiming Teng proposed a change to openstack/heat: Remove timeout from ResourceGroup method call. https://review.openstack.org/120676 | 16:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Qiming Teng proposed a change to openstack/heat: Remove _environment method from ASG. https://review.openstack.org/120409 | 16:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Qiming Teng proposed a change to openstack/heat: Split autoscaling.py into separate files. https://review.openstack.org/123176 | 16:40 |
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| pas-ha | sjmc7, no problem, was merged just 3 hours ago | 16:43 |
| sjmc7 | :D | 16:43 |
| sjmc7 | that explains why i missed it | 16:43 |
| sjmc7 | thansk for letting me know | 16:44 |
| pas-ha | sjmc7, you welcome :) | 16:44 |
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| jdandrea | Within a resource plugin, if I wanted to get a preview of all the resources, can I just call self.preview()? I ask because I'm running into a problem where ResourceGroups are concerned. (file scheme not supported for url_fetch) | 18:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeff Peeler proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add test to serialize and deserialize exceptions https://review.openstack.org/122274 | 20:06 |
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| uberj | I'm curious to how the OS::Nova::Servers are getting connected to a network in this autoscaling example https://github.com/openstack/heat-templates/blob/master/hot/autoscaling.yaml | 20:10 |
| uberj | https://github.com/openstack/heat-templates/blob/master/hot/lb_server.yaml | 20:10 |
| uberj | does being part of a pool do that automatically? | 20:10 |
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| uberj | hmm, the docs for OS::Neutron::Pool say "The subnet for the port on which the members of the pool will be connected." | 20:11 |
| uberj | so maybe thats it | 20:11 |
| stevebaker | uberj: the template is assuming that there is one default network that the server will be automatically assigned an IP from | 20:12 |
| stevebaker | uberj: lb_server.yaml should probably define a port | 20:12 |
| larsks | Hallo again...I am getting '403 AccessDenied' errors running cfn-push-stats with apparently correct credentials...where should I be looking? | 20:12 |
| uberj | yeah, its a bit confusing | 20:12 |
| larsks | Using things from euca2ools with the same credentials (e.g., euca-describe-images) works without a hitch. | 20:13 |
| larsks | I am using https://github.com/openstack/heat-templates/blob/master/cfn/F17/WordPress_Single_Instance_With_HA.yaml as a model for handling ec2 credentials, and trying to produce a HOT template... | 20:17 |
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| stevebaker | larsks: see if there is anything in the heat-api-cw log, check version of boto on your server | 20:19 |
| larsks | stevebaker: The api-cloudwatch.log simply says "AWS credentials found, checking against keystone.", followed by "AWS authentication failure.". | 20:20 |
| stevebaker | larsks: message signing from boto and validation in keystone frequently breaks :/ | 20:20 |
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| larsks | The instance is running python-boto-2.27.0-1.fc20.noarch. | 20:20 |
| uberj | are you guys working AWS integration? | 20:20 |
| stevebaker | larsks: does euca2ools have a cloudwatch send stats tool? | 20:20 |
| larsks | My host has the same version. | 20:20 |
| uberj | ...for heat | 20:20 |
| stevebaker | uberj: not yet. maybe one day | 20:21 |
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| stevebaker | larsks: you could try installing latest boto from pypi https://pypi.python.org/pypi/boto/2.32.1 | 20:21 |
| larsks | stevebaker: I don't see anything that looks like a send stats tool in the euca2ools package... | 20:21 |
| larsks | stevebaker: I'll try anything once. | 20:22 |
| stevebaker | larsks: euwatch? | 20:22 |
| larsks | stevebaker: There is no "euwatch" in euca2ools-2.1.4-1.fc20.noarch, at least. | 20:23 |
| stevebaker | larsks: https://www.eucalyptus.com/docs/eucalyptus/4.0.1/index.html#user-guide/metrics_publish_custom.html | 20:23 |
| stevebaker | hmm, v4 | 20:24 |
| larsks | Yeah. I was sort of hoping this would Just Work with F20 on the host and on the instance. | 20:24 |
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| larsks | stevebaker: boto 2.32.1 doesn't appear to change the behavior either. | 20:26 |
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| larsks | (installed on instance and host, and restarted both keystone and the cloudwatch service) | 20:26 |
| larsks | If it helps at all, keystone is reporting "Authorization failed. The request you have made requires authentication." and returning 401 to the cloudwatch service. | 20:27 |
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| larsks | /buffer #docker | 20:42 |
| * larsks oopses. | 20:42 | |
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| stevebaker | larsks: could you raise a heat bug and include boto version and keystoneclient version? (another option would be making sure you have latest keystoneclient then restart keystone) | 20:50 |
| stevebaker | larsks: keystoneclient has the EC2Signer | 20:50 |
| larsks | stevebaker: sure. I'm puzzled because it seems to be just the cfn stuff that failing (i.e., not a general problem with ec2 credentials and keystone). | 20:51 |
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| larsks | I'm poking through the code right now to see if there's any way to get more details out of the process. | 20:51 |
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| stevebaker | larsks: using boto to sign the request would be the one thing that is different though | 21:08 |
| larsks | You mean, for heat vs. euca2ools? | 21:08 |
| jdandrea | Within a resource plugin, if I want to get a preview of all the resources, and I call self.preview(), I run into a problem with ResourceGroups (file scheme not supported for url_fetch). Has anyone bumped into this? | 21:11 |
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| uberj | hmm, looks like heat deletes instances serially? | 21:14 |
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| stevebaker | larsks: cfn-push-stats uses boto to sign the request, euca2ools would have its own signing code presumably | 21:20 |
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| stevebaker | jdandrea: you may have found a bug. It shouldn't be doing a url_fetch, it should be getting the file content from stack.raw_template.files | 21:23 |
| stevebaker | jdandrea: however, why are you getting a preview of all resource from your resource. We try to avoid resouce code accessing other resources in the stack | 21:29 |
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| kebray | zaneb thx for your response on Monty's gerit review. I don't plan to make any comments on the mailing list, but in case it's helpful, I found the IRC conversation: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-meeting/%23openstack-meeting.2013-08-28.log | 21:53 |
| kebray | the useful IRC log portion starts at: 2013-08-28T20:23:10 <zaneb> #topic moving rackspace cloud server specific resources out of heat tree | 21:54 |
| zaneb | kebray: thanks | 21:55 |
| stevebaker | kebray: fwiw I'd like to get the cfn resources and the native resource out of the main heat repo too, but that is an entirely separate discussion ;) | 21:55 |
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| stevebaker | kebray: getting the client-plugins working with the rackspace unit tests was a *huge* chunk of that blueprint, and it almost broke me. I realised the unit tests are actually a bit bogus, because the resource tests don't even use the rackspace clients. I also realised that this shouldn't really be my concern, or any other non-rackspace heat developer | 22:06 |
| stevebaker | kebray: thankfully randellburt took over before I completely lost it ;) | 22:07 |
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| kebray | stevebaker, glad to hear things worked out.. and, per the original thread on the contrib resources, if it's time to move them out, I'm happy to help support what the lead contributors and TC think is best. | 22:16 |
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| stevebaker | kebray: I think this is similar to the nova drivers out-of-tree discussion. If we can commit to a stable internal resource API (which in theory we already do) then there are potential benefits to having multiple repos for resource collections | 22:19 |
| stevebaker | kebray: specific benefits including removal of developer/review bottlenecks. | 22:20 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker, i don't think we need to toe monty's line | 22:21 |
| asalkeld | just looks like a rant | 22:22 |
| asalkeld | don't think anyone can take that seriously | 22:22 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: yes, that is an unfortunate starting point for this discussion. | 22:25 |
| asalkeld | but i see he is trying to pass a governance patch too | 22:26 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: you're not expecting any big changes to plugins for the whole... convergence... thing? | 22:26 |
| asalkeld | exactly | 22:27 |
| asalkeld | make sense for those plugins to be intree for a while | 22:27 |
| asalkeld | while that is sorted out | 22:28 |
| asalkeld | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122968/ | 22:28 |
| asalkeld | "Remove support for Rackspace from our code" | 22:28 |
| asalkeld | smells like hp don't like rax :-O | 22:28 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb: sure, but we need to consider backwards compat | 22:39 |
| stevebaker | and existing out-of-tree plugins | 22:39 |
| zaneb | the more different resources we test against the less likely we are to break backwards compat | 22:39 |
| asalkeld | i do contest that opensource projects are always "clean" | 22:39 |
| asalkeld | that's what contrib is for | 22:40 |
| asalkeld | shrug, kinda depends on the rackers tho' | 22:40 |
| asalkeld | if they are ok with this | 22:40 |
| oakstream | hello, I need to capture user input from a web-site and execute heat commands to “create stacks” based on user input. Can anyone recommend a best approach in doing this? A big chunk of this is installing software components of different configurations. (User might select apache and postgres and I need to install this. Different user might select postgres and web sphere. There are about a dozen software components). The confi | 22:40 |
| asalkeld | oakstream, that's what murano does | 22:41 |
| oakstream | The questions I have. | 22:41 |
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| oakstream | Should I use the heat client (command line)…and just call it from my web server? Or is there a better approach (heat api?) Should I create/install the software packages with heat orchestration (SoftwareConfig??)? How can I pick and choose only a few of the software components out of 12? …or Should I use puppet to install the software components? Essentially I need to build a dynamic template based on what the user selects. | 22:41 |
| oakstream | murano..hmm | 22:42 |
| asalkeld | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvBirL4YZ7c | 22:42 |
| asalkeld | oakstream, ^ murano demo | 22:43 |
| * asalkeld getting coffee | 22:43 | |
| stevebaker | zaneb: having them in separate repos doesn't preclude testing. And it would be nice to think we can implement convergence without requiring big changes to all existing resources | 22:43 |
| oakstream | i'll ck out murano...thanks | 22:43 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: it would be nice to have a million dollars and a pony, but that isn't going to happen either | 22:44 |
| stevebaker | oakstream: if your web app is written in python you could use heatclient as a lib, otherwise use the heat REST api directly | 22:45 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: you don't think it is practical to shim the current task scheduler API with the converge scheduler? | 22:46 |
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| zaneb | I don't think that addresses in any way the problem that convergence presents | 22:47 |
| zaneb | which is basically that we need to add stuff like "status: ACTIVE" as properties to resources | 22:48 |
| zaneb | and then have a way of fetching the state of the resource, figuring out the difference, and taking steps to converge them | 22:48 |
| asalkeld | zaneb, the only sensible compat. layer is a blocking one | 22:49 |
| asalkeld | so wrap the create/update in a scheduler loop and wait for it to finish | 22:50 |
| asalkeld | next(old resource type) | 22:50 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: therve was actually going to look at removing all uses of the scheduler from resources and replacing them with FSMs | 22:50 |
| asalkeld | cringe | 22:51 |
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| stevebaker | heh | 22:52 |
| asalkeld | each action should do one thing | 22:53 |
| asalkeld | shouldn't need state | 22:53 |
| asalkeld | check - checks | 22:53 |
| asalkeld | create - one thing | 22:53 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: that's not always possible for the AWS resources | 22:53 |
| asalkeld | we need to break up the resource until at the bottom a resource is just making one thing | 22:53 |
| zaneb | it should be for the OS:: resources | 22:53 |
| asalkeld | zaneb, it should be if all aws resources are nested stacks | 22:54 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: I'll take that patch ;) | 22:54 |
| asalkeld | phew | 22:54 |
| asalkeld | work ahead | 22:54 |
| uberj | has anyone seen both OS::Heat::AutoScalingGroup and OS::Heat::ResourceGroup fail to boot all n instances and instead boot n-1 where one instance gets stuck in the 'scheduling' state? | 22:54 |
| zaneb | also, it won't work for some Neutron resources, because the Neutron API is terrible :( | 22:54 |
| zaneb | uberj: sounds like a nova problem tbh | 22:55 |
| stevebaker | in the near future OS::Nova::Server may also create a port and a floating IP. it already creates a domain user | 22:56 |
| asalkeld | uberj, sched says no where to put the last instance? | 22:56 |
| uberj | asalkeld: I've booted 10 instances and only had 9 work, when I switch to 2 instances it only boots 1 | 22:56 |
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| asalkeld | stevebaker, i have a patch to convert all the user creds and domain user/projects to resoruces | 22:56 |
| uberj | so I know there is room somewhere | 22:56 |
| asalkeld | ok, uberj I haven't used resource group for while | 22:57 |
| asalkeld | have you looked in heat event-list? | 22:57 |
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| asalkeld | zaneb, what do you think of modifing a user's template? | 22:58 |
| asalkeld | (to add resources for user cred storage) | 22:58 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: I hate the idea quite a lot ;) | 22:58 |
| asalkeld | and to create stack domain user/keypairs | 22:58 |
| uberj | asalkeld: nothing useful in there I think. Just a bunch of CREATE_IN_PROGRESS | 22:58 |
| asalkeld | zaneb, i'd don't really like it either | 22:58 |
| stevebaker | uberj: if nova says its scheduling then there is not much heat can do about it | 22:59 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: yeah, there are no good answers to that one | 22:59 |
| asalkeld | (why i haven't posted the patch yet) | 22:59 |
| uberj | stevebaker: hmm, okay. I'll poke more | 22:59 |
| asalkeld | just wonder if there is a way to have implicit/hidden resources | 23:00 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: we wouldn't necessarily have to hide them | 23:04 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker, yeah | 23:04 |
| asalkeld | i'll post a patch today to get some ideas from people | 23:05 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker, zaneb when are we releasing rc1? | 23:06 |
| asalkeld | is that up to us? when bugs are fixed | 23:06 |
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| stevebaker | asalkeld: good question | 23:15 |
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| asalkeld | you guys seem the mocking "bootstrapping hour" | 23:27 |
| stevebaker | yep | 23:29 |
| stevebaker | i mean i say the list discussion, not the session | 23:29 |
| stevebaker | saw | 23:29 |
| asalkeld | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCWtLoSEfmw | 23:30 |
| * tchaypo peers around at the list of steves | 23:30 | |
| tchaypo | I'm not seeing a hardy | 23:30 |
| asalkeld | tchaypo, he is in london | 23:30 |
| asalkeld | so zzzz | 23:30 |
| tchaypo | hrm. | 23:30 |
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| tchaypo | is he normally there? | 23:31 |
| asalkeld | in his work day he is | 23:31 |
| tchaypo | am I getting confused between him and stevebaker again? | 23:31 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker, is here | 23:31 |
| asalkeld | he is in new zealand | 23:32 |
| asalkeld | i am in australia | 23:32 |
| stevebaker | tchaypo: jesus dude! ;) | 23:32 |
| tchaypo | gah | 23:32 |
| tchaypo | stevebaker: it's your own fault | 23:32 |
| tchaypo | you never talk to me unless beer is involved. | 23:32 |
| tchaypo | thanks asalkeld | 23:32 |
| stevebaker | tchaypo: just be thankful Steve Dake isn't as involved has he used to | 23:33 |
| asalkeld | np, stevebaker is only happy with good beer | 23:33 |
| asalkeld | :) | 23:33 |
| stevebaker | ain't that the truth | 23:33 |
| tchaypo | the first time i met stevebaker turns out to have involved beer of his own creation | 23:33 |
| tchaypo | 4 years later i remembere the beer but not steve | 23:33 |
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| tchaypo | seriously his own fault | 23:33 |
| stevebaker | heh. mmmm horseblanket | 23:34 |
| tchaypo | delicious horseblanket | 23:34 |
| asalkeld | sounds hair and chewy | 23:34 |
| tchaypo | I'm going to put my original topic on hold for a minute and discuss beer | 23:35 |
| tchaypo | because after all, creating it is an orchestratoin issue, and requires heat in some parts of the process.. | 23:36 |
| tchaypo | I had https://untappd.com/b/wig-pen-brewery-tavern-lpg/254880 a few years ago at another LCA | 23:36 |
| asalkeld | lol, priorities | 23:36 |
| stevebaker | that was a great bar | 23:36 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker, didn't we go there? | 23:36 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: many times | 23:37 |
| asalkeld | mmmm | 23:37 |
| stevebaker | tchaypo: were you googling then too> | 23:37 |
| stevebaker | ? | 23:37 |
| sdake | asalkeld good luck for heat ptl bro | 23:37 |
| asalkeld | thx sdake, still got to get voted in | 23:37 |
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| sdake | agree but you have good chance :) | 23:38 |
| tchaypo | stevebaker: canberra? | 23:38 |
| tchaypo | hrm. | 23:38 |
| sdake | I remember year ago "I'LL NEVER RUN FOR PTL" :) | 23:38 |
| tchaypo | I think I was at atlassian by then | 23:38 |
| asalkeld | sdake, yeah we are running out of victims | 23:38 |
| asalkeld | and i intend on serious delegation | 23:39 |
| asalkeld | so beware | 23:39 |
| sdake | yup delegation is the only way to roll now | 23:39 |
| sdake | well I am actually not working on heat any longer | 23:39 |
| tchaypo | yep, 2013 -, that was atlassian | 23:39 |
| sdake | focusing on Docker and infra | 23:39 |
| tchaypo | so back to the topic | 23:39 |
| tchaypo | stevebaker: remember talking about heat and our deploy cloud build last week? | 23:40 |
| sdake | asalkeld https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122972/ | 23:40 |
| asalkeld | sdake, is docker the new openstack at rht (sucking all the resoruces) | 23:40 |
| sdake | the sucking sound of docker | 23:40 |
| sdake | pretty much | 23:40 |
| tchaypo | I'm bashing my head against https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1306294 again | 23:40 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1306294 in tripleo "Heat fails to re-authenticate when faced with authentication failure during stack operations" [High,In progress] | 23:40 |
| tchaypo | keystone is configured with expiration=14400, but I'm seeing auth failures just 1800 after the first create_in_progress | 23:41 |
| asalkeld | sdake, so if you have kubernetes - do you even need openstack? | 23:41 |
| sdake | asalkeld announcing 7 member team tomorrow for a project about docker + OS | 23:41 |
| sdake | to deploy, I don't think so | 23:41 |
| sdake | to use, yes :) | 23:41 |
| tchaypo | so I'm fairly convinced that either keystone is wrong when it says the token is expired, or heat is doing something to reduce the validity of the token, and I'm wondering what I can do to check what heat is getting from keystone | 23:42 |
| stevebaker | sdake: we need to have a heat+docker chat at some point | 23:42 |
| asalkeld | sdake, you sucking any heaters into that black hole? | 23:42 |
| sdake | jpeeler 20% | 23:42 |
| sdake | his choice | 23:42 |
| asalkeld | ok | 23:42 |
| sdake | rest of the heat cats too busy | 23:43 |
| asalkeld | 100% is the only good percentage | 23:43 |
| sdake | stevebaker sounds good - if you want to chat set up a call in zimbra | 23:43 |
| sdake | or irc works too | 23:43 |
| asalkeld | not missing zimbra:) | 23:44 |
| sdake | asalkeld agree I expect we will have alot of community interest | 23:44 |
| sdake | so the team is mostly for review not implementation | 23:44 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: I'd rather use zimbra than outlook | 23:44 |
| sdake | ya zimbra is better then outlook | 23:44 |
| * asalkeld using google apps | 23:44 | |
| sdake | asalkeld rht is going to google apps in a month or so | 23:44 |
| asalkeld | lol you too | 23:45 |
| stevebaker | tchaypo: so is what you're seeing in the timeframe of an expired token? | 23:45 |
| asalkeld | rht soul dies | 23:45 |
| asalkeld | ;) | 23:45 |
| stevebaker | its not a done deal yet | 23:45 |
| sdake | oh i thought it was | 23:46 |
| sdake | we have moved partially to google apps but I thought in a mo we were transferring mail/calendar | 23:46 |
| asalkeld | the dark side is plesant to use tho' | 23:46 |
| stevebaker | I think its going to be even more optional, due to engineering revolt | 23:46 |
| uberj | my problem was a nova problem | 23:46 |
| sdake | moving calendar would be nice | 23:46 |
| sdake | zimbra calendar blows | 23:47 |
| uberj | I have 99 problems and nova accounts for quite a few of them | 23:47 |
| asalkeld | soon it will be bring your own email:-O | 23:47 |
| tchaypo | stevebaker: it shouldn't be, keystone is set to have an expiration period of 14400s and I'm seeing errors after only 180s0 | 23:47 |
| tchaypo | 1800s even | 23:47 |
| stevebaker | tchaypo: huh | 23:47 |
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| sdake | macaroni grill got renamed to zaqar | 23:48 |
| asalkeld | anyone know how to say that yet? | 23:49 |
| sdake | nope don't know what it means either | 23:49 |
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| stevebaker | tchaypo: anyway, the short answer is that the token should be a straight passthrough for all operations, since I don't think shardy has done anything to change the previous situation | 23:51 |
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| stevebaker | tchaypo: heat may well be creating extra keystone users and requesting tokens for those, but I assume they would get the default token expiry too | 23:52 |
| tchaypo | so I should probably be double-checking keystone (make sure it's reading the right config file, see if i can get it to log what tokens it's handling out, see if I can get logs of why it thinks the token is expired etc) | 23:52 |
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| stevebaker | tchaypo: yes, and see if it is for the original user or the stack-scoped ones | 23:53 |
| stevebaker | tchaypo: but shardy really is the person to ask about this, and he is on paternity leave | 23:54 |
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| tchaypo | and also on the other side of the world. | 23:55 |
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