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| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed openstack/heat-specs: Add support external_resources https://review.openstack.org/130682 | 02:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed openstack/heat-specs: A collection of small changes to improve usability https://review.openstack.org/130682 | 03:24 |
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| cmyster | morning | 03:59 |
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| ckmvishnu | asalkeld: Hi | 04:26 |
| asalkeld | hi ckmvishnu | 04:26 |
| ckmvishnu | have two questions | 04:27 |
| ckmvishnu | can i use "SELECT .. FOR UPDATE" for stack locks and can i initiate DB transactions from application layer? | 04:27 |
| ckmvishnu | current way of getting a stack lock will not work in a multiple engine setup. | 04:28 |
| asalkeld | ckmvishnu, i'd suggest hiding the locking mechanism | 04:28 |
| asalkeld | so you are not doing sql in application code | 04:28 |
| ckmvishnu | so, shall i introduce db api's for those operations? | 04:29 |
| ckmvishnu | any initiate transaction from there | 04:30 |
| asalkeld | sure, if you need them | 04:30 |
| asalkeld | ckmvishnu, i haven't had time to look at your poc | 04:30 |
| ckmvishnu | :( | 04:30 |
| asalkeld | trying to dig myself out of my todo list | 04:30 |
| asalkeld | hopefully get there soon | 04:30 |
| asalkeld | has zaneb had any feedback? | 04:31 |
| ckmvishnu | np, take your time. we will be ready be this week with complete working code. | 04:31 |
| ckmvishnu | no, not yet. should ping hime | 04:31 |
| ckmvishnu | him | 04:31 |
| asalkeld | yeah, good idea | 04:31 |
| cmyster | ckmvishnu: why in ^ case won't it work with multiple engines? (I'm guessing operating on the DB without the others being aware?) | 04:32 |
| ckmvishnu | separate select and update statements are not atomic | 04:33 |
| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed openstack/heat: Apply nova server constraints for resources https://review.openstack.org/134151 | 04:33 |
| ckmvishnu | 2 engines can i face parallelly do a select and both will update. which will be a disaster. | 04:33 |
| ckmvishnu | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21261213/select-for-update-with-insert-into/21262079#21262079 | 04:33 |
| ckmvishnu | sorry typo. 2 engines can parallelly do a lock | 04:34 |
| * cmyster nods | 04:35 | |
| asalkeld | btw: https://github.com/stackforge/tooz | 04:36 |
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| ckmvishnu | asalkeld: yeah, just read joshua's mail. | 04:37 |
| asalkeld | https://github.com/stackforge/tooz/blob/master/tooz/drivers/pgsql.py | 04:37 |
| asalkeld | ok, brb - picking kids up | 04:37 |
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| ramishra | stevebaker: Hi Steve, u around? | 04:47 |
| zaneb | ckmvishnu, asalkeld: it's late Sunday here so I only have a moment & I'm out of the office tomorrow... but basically a proof of concept that doesn't include cleaning up the resources doesn't really prove the concept to my mind | 04:49 |
| zaneb | since that is half of the job, and certainly the more difficult half | 04:50 |
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| ckmvishnu | zaneb: resource cleanup, will be taken up this week. | 04:53 |
| zaneb | ckmvishnu: personally I'm trying to prove concepts in the most lightweight way I can, rather than writing database migrations for Heat and that kind of thing. I *strongly* encourage y'all to try the same - the code is on GitHub | 04:53 |
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| ckmvishnu | zaneb: sure | 04:54 |
| zaneb | ckmvishnu: what I've found so far is the the forward dependencies need to be based on resource names, but the cleanup dependencies need to be based on resource ids | 04:58 |
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| ckmvishnu | yeah, it will be based on ids. | 04:58 |
| zaneb | so you're likely to find out that large sections of your existing plan don't work (as I've been working on this, it usually turns out that large sections of my plan won't work at least once and often multiple times per day), and then you'll want to be able to change it quickly | 05:00 |
| * zaneb -> bed | 05:01 | |
| ckmvishnu | what is this about? cleanup? | 05:01 |
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| zaneb | it's about how best to solve problems in general | 05:02 |
| ckmvishnu | ok. we'll be hard testing all we have done from today. | 05:03 |
| ckmvishnu | will keep you posted on any change | 05:03 |
| zaneb | ok, goodnight y'all | 05:03 |
| ckmvishnu | tnx | 05:04 |
| cmyster | nn zaneb | 05:08 |
| ckmvishnu | cmyster: nn -> no no? | 05:10 |
| cmyster | nighty night | 05:10 |
| ckmvishnu | ahh | 05:10 |
| cmyster | no no also works though ;) | 05:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed openstack/heat-specs: Add support external_resources https://review.openstack.org/134848 | 05:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/heat: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/133615 | 06:01 |
| skraynev | Morning guys! | 06:01 |
| skraynev | asalkeld: Hey ;) | 06:02 |
| cmyster | morning | 06:03 |
| skraynev | cmyster: Morning | 06:04 |
| skraynev | cmyster: I have seen you email with question. | 06:04 |
| skraynev | my apologize, that I still do not give answer. I ill whole previous week. | 06:05 |
| skraynev | so only now start sorting my mails and understanding what I plan to do in the near future :) | 06:06 |
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| cmyster | asalkeld: tiny typo ^ | 06:08 |
| cmyster | skraynev: sure, take your time I'm busy with Juno for a few more weeks | 06:08 |
| cmyster | asalkeld: line 36 "at this point" maybe ? | 06:08 |
| cmyster | also, can this be unset in any way? It seems like once it is set as external one is left with an estranged child | 06:09 |
| skraynev | cmyster: ok ;) | 06:10 |
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| asalkeld | hey, guys | 06:16 |
| * asalkeld has mouth full of icecream | 06:16 | |
| asalkeld | hot here | 06:16 |
| cmyster | define, hot | 06:17 |
| asalkeld | yesterday 40 | 06:17 |
| asalkeld | today 30 something | 06:17 |
| asalkeld | but humid | 06:18 |
| cmyster | bluh | 06:18 |
| skraynev | asalkeld: -10 here | 06:18 |
| asalkeld | that's different | 06:18 |
| cmyster | I got so used to humid, when I was in Paris I had nose bleeds. here ~30c/90% is the norm for the summer time | 06:19 |
| asalkeld | cmyster, yeah - summer here too, I just got to get used to it again | 06:19 |
| cmyster | asalkeld: tip: do not use AC. embrace the heat, don't fight it, you'll never win | 06:20 |
| cmyster | asalkeld: also see my remarks a few lines up | 06:21 |
| asalkeld | yeah, fix'in now | 06:21 |
| cmyster | ah coolness | 06:21 |
| asalkeld | so to convert to a "normal" resource you just remove the "external_reference" section | 06:22 |
| cmyster | asalkeld: so if you start off with an external ref and then update the stack to be without, which resource is used here? | 06:23 |
| cmyster | (I think I might be missing something here) | 06:23 |
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| asalkeld | cmyster, the first time you use external_ref, it does an adopt | 06:23 |
| asalkeld | so it stores the resource_id etc... | 06:24 |
| asalkeld | but then won't let you update/delete | 06:24 |
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| asalkeld | (except for removing external_ref) | 06:24 |
| cmyster | asalkeld: could you please add this to the ref as well? this was a bit unclear | 06:25 |
| asalkeld | sure | 06:25 |
| cmyster | many thanks | 06:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed openstack/heat-specs: Add support for external resources https://review.openstack.org/134848 | 06:37 |
| cmyster | thanks for the update asalkeld, I'll love to see some business logic here as well but thats for a different time maybe... | 06:39 |
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| asalkeld | cmyster, i think too much detail in a spec is just a pita (not all that helpful) | 06:43 |
| asalkeld | to be honest, I prefer the good-ole-days of no specs | 06:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Qiming Teng proposed openstack/heat: Adds multi-region support for stack resource https://review.openstack.org/53313 | 07:01 |
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| pas-ha | morning all :) | 07:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kanagaraj Manickam proposed openstack/heat-specs: heat resource abandon and adopt https://review.openstack.org/124707 | 07:28 |
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| cmyster | asalkeld: I hear you, and still as a QA guy who will be testing it later I need as much info as possible, to a limit. a few lines that explain the process will help people not from the contributing core. As OpenStack (and heat) becomes more popular I see how none-contributers try to test and implement different setups and mechanisms and test them. | 07:46 |
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| cmyster | asalkeld: for those people (me included) something in the spirit of, we take this part here, stuck it there and write this line in the this DB table can go a very long way. | 07:47 |
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| cmyster | ..to a point, I agree that overly complex refs with the English translation to python functions is a bit too much | 07:48 |
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| inc0 | good morning | 08:11 |
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| cmyster | morning inc0 | 08:19 |
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| shardy | morning all | 08:24 |
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| asalkeld | shardy, did that signature function make sense? | 09:57 |
| shardy | asalkeld: Sorry, which signature function are you referring to? | 09:58 |
| * shardy probably needs more coffee | 09:58 | |
| asalkeld | one of your reviews | 09:58 |
| asalkeld | lol, that doesn't cut it down | 09:58 |
| asalkeld | wow you have a lot | 09:58 |
| asalkeld | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134036/ | 10:00 |
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| shardy | asalkeld: Aha, thanks I hadn't yet spotted that | 10:02 |
| shardy | asalkeld: I've got no problem doing it that way if it works | 10:02 |
| shardy | saves the overhead of always recursing I guess | 10:02 |
| asalkeld | yip | 10:02 |
| asalkeld | that's what i made it for | 10:02 |
| shardy | Wasn't there a BP about referring to resources outside of a template? | 10:03 |
| shardy | That will break with this scheme | 10:03 |
| asalkeld | i don't think it will break | 10:03 |
| shardy | But I guess that may be a problem for whoever implements the feature ;) | 10:03 |
| shardy | Oh so it does the dynamic resolution before calculating the signature? | 10:04 |
| asalkeld | i am doing the external_reference thing | 10:04 |
| asalkeld | yes | 10:04 |
| shardy | asalkeld: Ok, cool - I'll update my patch then, thanks for the feedback | 10:04 |
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| shardy | If anyone feels like reviewing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131827/ we can land the remaining oslo fixes to python-heatclient | 10:06 |
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| asalkeld | skraynev, can you fill in the midcycle meetup doodle? | 10:08 |
| asalkeld | therve, you too ^ | 10:09 |
| asalkeld | https://doodle.com/b9m4bf8hvm3mna97qsmtxkba | 10:09 |
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| therve | Done. On https://doodle.com/b9m4bf8hvm3mna97 though :) | 10:11 |
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| viktors | skraynev: around? | 10:18 |
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| pas-ha | guys, it seems bug #1285067 has resurfaced. I can see it now on master again. Can somebody try to reproduce? (may be it's just some quirk on my side..) | 10:36 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1285067 in heat "stack-update fails when an instance with a Neutron port is added to the stack" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1285067 | 10:36 |
| pas-ha | behavior is somewhat different now, stack updates successfully but first instance looses port/fixed ip | 10:38 |
| shardy | pas-ha: I'd raise a new bug with the reproduce procedure/templates then we can take a look | 10:40 |
| pas-ha | shardy, ok, will do | 10:41 |
| asalkeld_ | that pesky midcycle meetup seems to be split down the middle | 10:41 |
| pas-ha | reported new bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1393376 | 10:51 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1393376 in heat "Instance looses port attachment on template update" [Undecided,New] | 10:51 |
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| skraynev | asalkeld: Done. | 10:59 |
| skraynev | viktors: yep | 10:59 |
| asalkeld_ | skraynev, all "no" | 10:59 |
| asalkeld_ | skraynev, you have 2 entries | 10:59 |
| skraynev | asalkeld_: fixed | 11:00 |
| skraynev | played with google account :( | 11:00 |
| asalkeld_ | thx | 11:00 |
| skraynev | np | 11:00 |
| asalkeld_ | skraynev, is it expensive to indian from ru? | 11:00 |
| asalkeld_ | india | 11:01 |
| asalkeld_ | (much more than US?) | 11:01 |
| asalkeld_ | rebooting - brb | 11:03 |
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| pas-ha | asalkeld, I am also not sure how is it with India visas for us ... | 11:19 |
| asalkeld | ok pas-ha, might be worth finding out | 11:20 |
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| pas-ha | I'll ask around, we have some folks who went there recently | 11:20 |
| asalkeld | ananta, any news on the hotel in India? (how expensive) | 11:20 |
| * asalkeld expecting quite cheap | 11:21 | |
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| asalkeld | pas-ha, http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-15/new-document/5894256 | 11:25 |
| shardy | Wow, direct flights to Bangalore are expensive | 11:25 |
| pas-ha | asalkeld, lol | 11:26 |
| asalkeld | shardy, i am checking now too | 11:27 |
| asalkeld | pas-ha, remarkable similarity:-) | 11:27 |
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| asalkeld | shardy, for me it is almost half to eu | 11:29 |
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| asalkeld | g'night all | 11:43 |
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| skraynev | g'night | 11:43 |
| cmyster | nn asalkeld | 11:44 |
| pas-ha | how could we coordinate heat-cfntools version with resource in heat? We should try to make AWS loadbalancer usable without disabling selinux completely... | 11:47 |
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| cmyster | shardy: there ? | 11:51 |
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| shardy | cmyster: yup | 11:52 |
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| shardy | pas-ha: agree, but note there is an option for deployers to provide whatever template they want for the nested resource, which could include pinning the cfntools version and/or enabling selinux | 11:54 |
| shardy | pas-ha: would probably be something that's good to fix in-tree too though | 11:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat: Fix [H302] errors in heat/db https://review.openstack.org/134174 | 11:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat: Fix [H302] errors in heat/engine/resources https://review.openstack.org/134187 | 11:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat: Fix [H302] errors in heat/api https://review.openstack.org/134171 | 12:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat: Fix [H302] errors in heat/engine/resources https://review.openstack.org/134187 | 12:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat: Fix [H302] errors in heat/db https://review.openstack.org/134174 | 12:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat: Fix [H302] errors in heat/common https://review.openstack.org/134173 | 12:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat: Fix [H302] errors in heat/cloudinit https://review.openstack.org/134172 | 12:05 |
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| pas-ha | shardy, the problem is we do not provide a way to customize the generated haproxy.cfg | 12:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed openstack/heat: Use AWS LoadBalancer with selinux-enabled image https://review.openstack.org/126263 | 12:19 |
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| ananta | Hi Angus | 12:31 |
| ananta | U there? | 12:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed openstack/heat: Use AWS LoadBalancer with selinux-enabled image https://review.openstack.org/126263 | 12:32 |
| pas-ha | ananta, nope, he has left already | 12:33 |
| ananta | Angus: price depends... 2 start 15-20USD per night and 5 star 150-170USD per night | 12:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat: Fix [H302] errors in heat/engine https://review.openstack.org/134188 | 12:33 |
| ananta | pas-ha: Ok :) .. | 12:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat: Fix [H302] errors in heat/engine https://review.openstack.org/134187 | 12:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat: Fix [H302] errors in heat/engine https://review.openstack.org/134188 | 12:35 |
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| ananta | This might help for Hotel in Bangalore, India: http://tinyurl.com/p775cp9 | 12:39 |
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| viktors | skraynev: hi! If you still here, please tell, what do you think about this patch - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127536/ . It adds a check, that sqla models are the same as db tables | 13:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat: Fix [H302] errors in heat/common https://review.openstack.org/134173 | 13:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat: Fix [H302] errors in heat/db https://review.openstack.org/134174 | 13:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Qiming Teng proposed openstack/heat-templates: Sample template using SoftwareDeployments https://review.openstack.org/134749 | 13:37 |
| Qiming | cannot work at all, the Internet connection breaks every other minute ... sigh | 13:37 |
| skraynev | viktors: looks good for me | 13:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat: Fix [H302] errors in heat/engine https://review.openstack.org/134187 | 13:40 |
| viktors | skraynev: can you please transform it to +2? :) | 13:41 |
| skraynev | sure ;) | 13:41 |
| viktors | skraynev: thanks! | 13:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat: Correct error msg when resource or output are empty https://review.openstack.org/131169 | 13:45 |
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| skraynev | viktors: could you please take a look one question | 14:26 |
| viktors | skraynev: sure | 14:27 |
| skraynev | viktors: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127536/ | 14:27 |
| viktors | skraynev: ok, I see your note, let me check it locally | 14:28 |
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| viktors | skraynev: just to ensure - can you connect to postgresql with `openstack_citest` user credentials ? | 14:32 |
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| skraynev | viktors: I suspect, that I have not installed postgress | 14:35 |
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| viktors | skraynev: so I can suggest, that this test just was skipped for you | 14:36 |
| skraynev | viktors: but I thought, that it should work for Mysqsl and sqlite too? because we have couple specific child classes | 14:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed openstack/heat: RandomString phsical_resource_id as id not the string https://review.openstack.org/134557 | 14:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed openstack/heat: RandomString don't skip superclass validation https://review.openstack.org/134558 | 14:38 |
| viktors | skraynev: yes, you right, but patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127535 fixes differences for postgresql only, because mysql and sqlite were already in sync with models | 14:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Oleksii Chuprykov proposed openstack/heat: Alter models and add migration https://review.openstack.org/127535 | 14:42 |
| skraynev | viktors: ok, so currently our model and metadata are synced and have not any differences, right? | 14:42 |
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| viktors | skraynev: that's true for mysql and sqlite | 14:44 |
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| skraynev | viktors: cool. thanks | 14:46 |
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| skraynev | zaneb: one small question: do we store old values for resource during update? if yes, so where we store it? | 14:50 |
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| shardy | skraynev: zaneb can probably provide more details, but AFAIK we backup the entire stack before doing the update | 14:56 |
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| shardy | skraynev: https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/heat/engine/stack.py#L751 | 14:58 |
| skraynev | shardy: yes, I remember something like that. But the tricky part of my question (which I not asked previously): do we store unresolved values? (F.e. for build-in functions) | 14:58 |
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| shardy | skraynev: Yes, the raw template is always stored unresolved | 14:58 |
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| Qiming | shardy, there? | 15:00 |
| skraynev | shardy: Awesome. Thx! | 15:01 |
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| zaneb | skraynev: define old | 15:04 |
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| zaneb | skraynev: we store the resolved properties for each resource at the time we create/update it | 15:05 |
| zaneb | skraynev: other than that, no | 15:05 |
| * zaneb is not here today btw ;) | 15:06 | |
| openstackgerrit | Oleksii Chuprykov proposed openstack/heat: Alter models and add migration https://review.openstack.org/127535 | 15:06 |
| jdandrea | zaneb who? ;) | 15:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Oleksii Chuprykov proposed openstack/heat: Add ModelSMigrationSync classes https://review.openstack.org/127536 | 15:07 |
| skraynev | zaneb: super. got it. thanks. | 15:07 |
| skraynev | zaneb: vacation? :) | 15:08 |
| zaneb | skraynev: moving house | 15:09 |
| skraynev | zaneb: or may be you wrote chatting bot... and now he knows all about heat :) | 15:09 |
| skraynev | zaneb: oh. good luck. AFAIK, it's not very fast deal. | 15:10 |
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| ryansb | all-knowing heat robot would be quite handy. | 15:11 |
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| shardy | Qiming: hi | 15:12 |
| Qiming_ | shardy, thanks for your comment | 15:12 |
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| Qiming_ | regarding what your wrote in review, I have got this input to the script (via environment variable): "{u'0': u'foo', u'1': u'bar'}" | 15:12 |
| Qiming_ | the double quotes (") are to be added by the dependent patch under review | 15:13 |
| Qiming_ | which means, if we are passing real Json, it has to be quoted, or else the script hook breaks | 15:14 |
| skraynev | ryansb: yeah. just image: you tell "ok heat robot" and then ask anything :) and get huge answer with links and pieces of documentation. | 15:14 |
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| jdandrea | Is there any notion of "quiescence" around stack updates? (Suspecting no. It's app-specific stuffs.) Trying to think of how to best sanely extend a volume in Juno, but with some added behavior that pauses/unpauses a process on the associated server before/after the volume change proper. | 15:14 |
| jdandrea | I don't want to suspend the entire stack, so ... hmm. | 15:15 |
| Qiming_ | I understand your concern about using Python here, but I was thinking of this the other way. The VM must already have python installed, or else os-xxx-config scripts, heat-config script won't run. | 15:15 |
| Qiming_ | I want to understand your other concerns about using python here | 15:15 |
| ryansb | jdandrea: so you want to stop heat from doing anything while you expadnd the volume? | 15:16 |
| * jdandrea uses python/ceilometer-client on his VMs to send additional data points. Works wonderfully. | 15:16 | |
| Qiming_ | shardy, I can delete the lines that reveal secrets (values not desiged to be used by users) | 15:16 |
| ryansb | s/expadnd/expand/ | 15:16 |
| jdandrea | ryansb: Ooh, that's another good thought, actually that's probably a better thought. I'm still figuring out what is best to do, but so far I want to temporarily stop a process on a particular VM whenever I expand a volume on that VM, then bring it back. (It may be more than just stop/start. More like a graceful stop/start.) | 15:17 |
| shardy | jdandrea: Sort of, you can define a SoftwareDeployment which only triggers on update which might do what you want | 15:18 |
| jdandrea | Having a general "quiescent" or "maintenance" mode could be most helpful. | 15:18 |
| jdandrea | Only the volume extension would occur through a Heat stack update. | 15:18 |
| jdandrea | (I would think, since I want the template to match reality.) | 15:18 |
| jdandrea | shardy: Yes! If that can run before/after (?) I'd try that in a heartbeat. Actually, I still need to get SoftwareDeployments working on my end (with the signaling). I had to table that for a bit. :-o | 15:19 |
| jdandrea | Right now, updates tend to happen while the proverbial aircraft is mid-flight. Sometimes I want to tell some parts of the app to take a breather. :) | 15:20 |
| ryansb | SWDeployments are probably your best bet | 15:20 |
| skraynev | g'night all | 15:20 |
| jdandrea | ryansb: How would I use them in a pre/post capacity though? Or would I issue three separate stack updates (but then that requires external monitoring for success/failure, etc., I gather). | 15:21 |
| Qiming_ | skraynev, bye | 15:22 |
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| ryansb | hrm....I'll need tonsider that for a bit. | 15:22 |
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| shardy | jdandrea: True, it's something perhaps the software-config-trigger BP may help address: | 15:25 |
| shardy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130679/2/specs/kilo/software-config-trigger.rst | 15:25 |
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| jdandrea | shardy: Ooh. :) | 15:25 |
| shardy | That would allow you to create an arbtrary action, say "QUIESCE", probably we also need to provide a way to trigger that for the whole stack | 15:26 |
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| shardy | jdandrea: I've added a note mentioning your use-case, feel free to follow up with clarification if needed | 15:33 |
| jdandrea | Thanks shardy. Appreciated! I will follow up for sure. | 15:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Rabi Mishra proposed openstack/heat-templates: Add 'name' deployment property to example template https://review.openstack.org/134466 | 15:34 |
| jdandrea | Having some overall support for quiescence (including the stack level) would be huge. | 15:35 |
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| ramishra | shardy: Hi!! corrected the typo in the commit message.. thanks for spotting it:) | 15:38 |
| shardy | ramishra: Hi, thanks for the quick update, +2'd | 15:39 |
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| jdandrea | Is there a primer anywhere on how the scheduler/TaskRunner works? (Apart from looking at code.) Maybe a former blueprint or something. I should start using it and want to be sane about it. :) | 15:58 |
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| pas-ha | jdandrea, what for are you going to use it? remember, we now must try to avoid using it in resources | 16:12 |
| jdandrea | pas-ha: ? | 16:13 |
| jdandrea | This is in the Heat template. | 16:13 |
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| jdandrea | I want to update the template to expand a volume, but the problem is our proverbial aircraft (app) is in flight. There be dragons. :) | 16:13 |
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| jdandrea | No resource plugins involved. | 16:14 |
| shardy | jdandrea: You can't access any aspect of task scheduling from the template | 16:14 |
| jdandrea | Confused. | 16:14 |
| jdandrea | I'm trying to expand a disk volume. | 16:14 |
| pas-ha | you can do that already, but you need some in-instance tools to expand the file system | 16:14 |
| shardy | jdandrea: are you sure you can't just do the resize live, then have a SoftwareDeployment which triggers an online resize of the filesystem? | 16:14 |
| shardy | AFAIK that should work with cinder, but I've not tested it | 16:15 |
| jdandrea | shardy: Wouldn't that make the template out-of-line with reality though? | 16:15 |
| pas-ha | heat will detach, resize and reattach the volume, but how you handle gracefull detachment and resizing the file system is up to you | 16:15 |
| jdandrea | pas-ha: I'd like to "orchestrate" that gracefully. | 16:16 |
| jdandrea | Even if some aspects are app-specific implementation details. | 16:16 |
| pas-ha | Trove already does in with their ininstance trove agent | 16:16 |
| shardy | pas-ha: Oh, cinder demands you detach the volume before resizing it? | 16:16 |
| shardy | :( | 16:16 |
| jdandrea | shardy: Yes. The Juno volume.py update does as much. | 16:16 |
| jdandrea | https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/heat/engine/resources/volume.py#L669 | 16:17 |
| shardy | I guess I was thinking cinder might be as good as LVM, but yeah I remember that code now | 16:18 |
| shardy | sigh | 16:18 |
| jdandrea | shardy: Alas (and alack). | 16:18 |
| jdandrea | You do what you can. | 16:18 |
| shardy | jdandrea: you might have to do it with two template updates then | 16:18 |
| jdandrea | shardy: I'm getting that feeling, yes. That also means a monitoring step in between. | 16:19 |
| jdandrea | Maybe three updates. One to quiesce, one to update, one to return. | 16:19 |
| shardy | well the update+return steps can optionally be combined | 16:19 |
| jdandrea | shardy: *nods* that's true. | 16:20 |
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| jdandrea | There's something I like about having them separate though, in case there's ever more than one interim step (like a pre-flight check). | 16:20 |
| pfreund_ | shardy: I'm reading your blog post about auth model, but I still doesn't unterstand why in my template (1 server with 1 floatting IP / 1 server), the first one has a "debian" user, the other has "heat-admin" and no debian user. Am I missing the part which says when it switch ? Is it because of the floatting ip ? | 16:20 |
| jdandrea | It's like I'm wanting a maintenance mode. | 16:20 |
| jdandrea | Or something. | 16:21 |
| jdandrea | :) | 16:21 |
| shardy | jdandrea: stevebaker may have other ideas if you can catch him later | 16:21 |
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| jdandrea | shardy: Ah, vg, thanks. | 16:22 |
| shardy | pfreund_: On the same heat, with the same images? | 16:22 |
| pfreund_ | shardy: yes | 16:22 |
| shardy | pfreund_: probably cloud-init can't get the instance metadata when you don't have a floating IP | 16:23 |
| shardy | pfreund_: can you access the nova metadata IP without the floating IP? | 16:24 |
| shardy | http://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide-cloud/content/section_metadata-service.html | 16:24 |
| shardy | pfreund_: also, check the cloud-init logs in each case - my assumption is it's using the distro default user because it's not getting the config from heat | 16:24 |
| pfreund_ | shardy: ok I take a look | 16:25 |
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| shardy | pfreund_: the heat-admin is added due to the instance_user option in heat.conf probably | 16:25 |
| shardy | If you comment that, it should always use the distro default | 16:26 |
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| pfreund_ | shardy: I can access the metadata withour the floating IP. | 16:35 |
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| pfreund_ | it should be always heat-admin or debian ? | 16:36 |
| sjmc7 | debian (or whatever the distro default happens to be), if instance_user isn't set | 16:36 |
| sjmc7 | though i'm not certain that setting is optional | 16:37 |
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| shardy | sjmc7: It is optional, since Icehouse we were actually supposed to remove it for Juno but we forgot.. | 16:38 |
| sjmc7 | ah, good | 16:38 |
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| blues-man | hello | 16:40 |
| sjmc7 | hello! | 16:41 |
| blues-man | hi sjmc7 :) | 16:41 |
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| pfreund_ | my 2 instances have access to metadata | 16:42 |
| pas-ha | pfreund_, if you comment instance_user in heat.conf there would be default user for that cloud image (fedora on recent fedora, ubuntu on ubuntu, might be ec2-user for older images) | 16:42 |
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| pfreund_ | pas-ha: ok i'm going to do it, but is there any other consequence if I do that ? Like a problem if I use auto-scaling ? | 16:45 |
| pas-ha | jdandrea, I just double-checked - at least with LVM driver (devstack) cinder does not allow to extend an attached volume (and the error in CLI is just BadRequest 400 with no extra info) | 16:45 |
| pas-ha | pfreund_, not that I know of. I was using mostly fedora cloud images with that, and had no problems | 16:46 |
| pas-ha | this only affected how I could access the vm via ssh | 16:46 |
| pas-ha | i.e. what user to provide to ssh | 16:47 |
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| jdandrea | pas-ha: Exactly. That's probably why Heat detaches it first. | 16:50 |
| pas-ha | yeah, I wrote this piece. Just checked that nothing changed since then. | 16:50 |
| jdandrea | *nods* it's a good one, appreciate it. | 16:50 |
| jdandrea | Ah, I see, got it. | 16:51 |
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| jdandrea | Anyone ever see this when updating a stack? "ERROR: Template not in valid format: could not determine a constructor for the tag 'tag:yaml.org,2002:python/unicode'" - template doesn't trip stack-validate though. | 17:07 |
| jdandrea | Scratch that. Not a Heat issue AFAIK. | 17:13 |
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| jdandrea | Is there a way to enable rollback only for updates (or to enable rollback for a stack post-create)? | 17:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed openstack/heat: ResourceGroup don't special-case zero count https://review.openstack.org/135031 | 17:40 |
| shardy | jdandrea: Yes, you can pass the --rollback option to stack-update | 17:41 |
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| jdandrea | shardy: In Icehouse? I don't see it. :( | 17:41 |
| jdandrea | Also having trouble deleting a stack now. Tried updating it but it attempted to create a server resource even though it wasn't changed. (Related to the port issue, perhaps?) | 17:42 |
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| shardy | jdandrea: the heatclient interface on older versions may be --enable-rollback I think | 17:43 |
| jdandrea | shardy: If it is, it's not showing in "heat help stack-update" though. | 17:44 |
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| shardy | jdandrea: what python-heatclient version are you using? | 17:45 |
| jdandrea | 0.2.8 | 17:45 |
| shardy | bug #1324366 | 17:45 |
| jdandrea | ah | 17:45 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1324366 in python-heatclient "disable_rollback will change to true although we don't specify it when stack-update" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1324366 | 17:45 |
| jdandrea | I didn't enable rollback at create time though. I'm just trying to find a way around the problem I'm having with my update having failed. I can't seem to delete the stack now. | 17:47 |
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| shardy | jdandrea: The fix to make rollback work in the service is in icehouse, ref bug #1290943 | 17:48 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1290943 in heat "stack update disable_rollback doesn't work" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1290943 | 17:48 |
| jdandrea | shardy: Oh. Weird. I wonder why I don't have it here ... ? | 17:48 |
| shardy | jdandrea: You probably need to either update your client or use curl (cut/paste from heat --debug stack-update) to access it | 17:48 |
| shardy | jdandrea: Your version of python-heatclient is too old I think | 17:49 |
| jdandrea | shardy: Ok. I need to find the latest version of the heat client for Icehouse then. | 17:49 |
| shardy | There is no icehouse client, the release cadence is separate to the service releases | 17:49 |
| jdandrea | Ah! That's correct. | 17:49 |
| shardy | In theory, you can just install the latest python-heatclient and it should work | 17:49 |
| * shardy crosses fingers | 17:50 | |
| shardy | ;) | 17:50 |
| jdandrea | So I could get the latest python heat client and in theory it should work. ;) | 17:50 |
| shardy | yup | 17:50 |
| jdandrea | If it didn't, I could just bring back 0.2.8 though, I'd think. | 17:50 |
| shardy | The fix for bug #1324366 went into 0.2.11, so you need a client at least that version I think | 17:51 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1324366 in python-heatclient "disable_rollback will change to true although we don't specify it when stack-update" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1324366 | 17:51 |
| jdandrea | ok | 17:51 |
| jdandrea | Fate loves the fearless ... will test this on a dev server first. ;) | 17:51 |
| jdandrea | Ah, I need to update python-keystoneclient. Could be a ripple effect. | 17:54 |
| shardy | jdandrea: You could just update to 0.2.11, that's probably pre-keystoneclient version change | 17:54 |
| jdandrea | ok | 17:54 |
| shardy | IIRC the keystoneclient bump was for keystone v3 support, relatively recently | 17:55 |
| jdandrea | shardy: *nod* | 17:55 |
| jdandrea | Hmph. I did a dry run (-s) and wasn't able to simulate an upgrade: http://paste.openstack.org/show/134149/ | 17:57 |
| shardy | jdandrea: pip install --upgrade heatclient==0.2.11? :) | 17:59 |
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| shardy | jdandrea: If it's an issue with the debian packaging zigo may be able to help | 18:01 |
| shardy | Is there a newer version in the repo apt is configured to use? | 18:01 |
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| pas-ha | g'night all | 18:10 |
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| jdandrea | shardy: Sneaky. ;) | 18:54 |
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| jdandrea | Yeah, if I put python-heatclient=0.2.11 into apt-get, 0.2.11 is not found. | 18:56 |
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| jdandrea | shardy: rollback aside, if I'm trying to prevent a Nova server from being created on update (even though I didn't change its declaration), would that require the Juno heat-engine? | 18:59 |
| jdandrea | If so, maybe I create a VM, toss Heat (Juno) in there, and point it at my Icehouse server, like I do with my Juno devstack. | 18:59 |
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| jdandrea | shardy: Looks like 0.2.11 requires a keystone client update as well. http://paste.openstack.org/show/134161/ | 19:10 |
| shardy | jdandrea: Ok, I guess the problem is the requirements get automatically sync'd to the openstack global requirements over time | 19:12 |
| jdandrea | shardy: ohhh | 19:12 |
| shardy | I can't say for certain which of those is a hard requirement, if I was packaging I'd probably check to avoid pulling in all those deps | 19:13 |
| jdandrea | Mhm. | 19:13 |
| shardy | Obviously you have the option of installing the newer client somewhere else, e.g in a VM | 19:13 |
| jdandrea | Stepping back from that then, all I really want to do is find a way for my nova server to not be recreated when I do a stack update. | 19:13 |
| jdandrea | Right, I am definitely going to try that. | 19:13 |
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| shardy | jdandrea: Unfortunately, if you're using Neutron, it's possible the answer will be Juno Heat, there's been a number of bad-update patterns associated with neutron port resources which were fixed during Juno | 19:19 |
| shardy | jdandrea: If you'd like to raise a bug explaining exactly what you're observing, we can look at if a backported fix is possible or not | 19:20 |
| jdandrea | shardy: Yeah, I'm aware of that. Not fun. :( | 19:20 |
| jdandrea | Ok. Let's see what I can do there. The slowdown comes in when I go to do an update and it fails, then I'm spending a lot of time trying to get the stack to delete (it refuses to due to things being in a weird state). | 19:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jason Dunsmore proposed openstack/heat: Make Cloud Loadbalancer properties updatable https://review.openstack.org/129391 | 19:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jason Dunsmore proposed openstack/heat-specs: Hidden stacks https://review.openstack.org/135076 | 20:51 |
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| jdandrea | A new wrinkle: One of the physical disks used by cinder-volume (on one of the hosts) just failed. I took cinder-volume out of service on the affected host, but now I can't get past that while trying to delete the affected stack. | 20:57 |
| jdandrea | (No, force-delete doesn't help.) | 20:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed openstack/heat: Update sample conf for new oslo.db release https://review.openstack.org/135081 | 21:01 |
| shardy | @heat-core: gate is broken by new oslo.db release, ^^ should fix it | 21:01 |
| stevebaker | ok | 21:02 |
| anteaya | so heat tests are currently breaking the gate | 21:02 |
| anteaya | can some heat folks join us in infra? | 21:02 |
| stevebaker | I thought there was a change which stopped checking the heat.conf.sample in our pep8 job. Other projects don't do that anymore | 21:02 |
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| stevebaker | anteaya: on my way | 21:04 |
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| anteaya | stevebaker: thanks | 21:04 |
| ryansb | also on the way, but not a core | 21:04 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: Yeah, some projects have removed their conf.sample completely, maybe we should do the same | 21:21 |
| shardy | I added tox config for genconfig, so it's easy enough to generate | 21:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat-templates: Rename non-template example-container-config.yaml https://review.openstack.org/134416 | 21:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Jason Dunsmore proposed openstack/heat-specs: Hidden stacks https://review.openstack.org/135076 | 21:44 |
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| asalkeld | morning | 21:59 |
| randallburt | afternoon. | 22:07 |
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| harlowja | anyone have an idea whats going on with http://logs.openstack.org/58/127358/4/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-src-taskflow/4f75a6b/logs/testr_results.html.gz (i'm unsure if this is a existing bug); it seems to just be a timeout in "tempest/scenario/orchestration/test_server_cfn_init.py", line 95, in check_stack but wasn't sure if it was something else more specific (and i should just do a recheck to try to avoid the timeout...) | 22:16 |
| harlowja | any insight u guys have would be great (if i need to open a bug thats cool too) | 22:16 |
| harlowja | 'Provision failed with exit code 7' might be something, but i'm not so sure | 22:17 |
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| stevebaker | harlowja: its a known issue, the test will be skipped soon | 22:23 |
| harlowja | kk | 22:23 |
| harlowja | thx stevebaker | 22:23 |
| harlowja | i'll recheck in a little then i guess | 22:24 |
| stevebaker | harlowja: also there is a known testtools issue, that test shouldn't be running in src-taskflow at all | 22:24 |
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| harlowja | :-/ | 22:25 |
| harlowja | kk | 22:25 |
| harlowja | testtools issues are the theme of the past few days | 22:26 |
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| asalkeld | harlowja, is tooz going to get into openstack/ or is it just going to be a python lib? | 22:31 |
| harlowja | asalkeld https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122439/ | 22:31 |
| asalkeld | (just wondering how easy it is going to be to use) | 22:32 |
| harlowja | that will be merged tommorow | 22:32 |
| harlowja | it will still be a python library though :-P | 22:32 |
| harlowja | so yes to both :-P | 22:32 |
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| asalkeld | ok, cool | 22:32 |
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| stevebaker | it sure would be nice to move our locking to tooz | 22:37 |
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| harlowja | depends on how u guys are doing it, tooz doesn't have a database locking backend that works with custom db tables | 22:53 |
| harlowja | there does exist some db interactions, but i don't think they are what u guys want | 22:54 |
| harlowja | aka, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134514/ or similar | 22:54 |
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| stevebaker | harlowja: do I recall a memcached backend? | 22:56 |
| harlowja | stevebaker u do; but use at your own risk imho | 22:58 |
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| harlowja | https://github.com/stackforge/tooz/tree/master/tooz/drivers are the current drivers/backends (pretty much all of them have locking support) | 22:58 |
| harlowja | i'd recommend redis or zookeeper :) | 22:59 |
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| stevebaker | harlowja: sure, I'm just wondering what devstack could stand up for functional testing | 23:02 |
| harlowja | ah | 23:02 |
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| harlowja | all the above? | 23:03 |
| harlowja | isn't it just a shell script (devstack) | 23:03 |
| harlowja | it'd be nice if we could use a deployment script for multi-node stuff (using salt, chef, or something made for this...) | 23:03 |
| harlowja | and leave devstack for single-node | 23:03 |
| stevebaker | sure it would | 23:04 |
| jdandrea | If I update a stack, shouldn't heat stack-list show any added resources? (The heat-engine.log shows them being created though, which is strange. We only have one heat engine running.) | 23:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Anderson Mesquita proposed openstack/heat: Remove duplication on stack resource operations https://review.openstack.org/135109 | 23:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Anderson Mesquita proposed openstack/heat: Show resource attributes when viewing resource https://review.openstack.org/135110 | 23:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Anderson Mesquita proposed openstack/heat: Show resource attributes on resource-show https://review.openstack.org/135111 | 23:11 |
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| stevebaker | jdandrea: heat resource-list shows the resources for a stack | 23:20 |
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| asalkeld | zaneb, you about still? | 23:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed openstack/heat-templates: Minor fixes to docker hook https://review.openstack.org/135124 | 23:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed openstack/heat-templates: Allow insecure_registry to be set in docker config resource https://review.openstack.org/135125 | 23:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat-templates: Add 'name' deployment property to example template https://review.openstack.org/134466 | 23:54 |
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