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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Expose resource attributes in the engine https://review.openstack.org/135110 | 00:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | Qiming Teng proposed openstack/heat: Add type validation for LaunchConfigurationName https://review.openstack.org/137740 | 01:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | ChangBo Guo(gcb) proposed openstack/heat: Sync policy from oslo-incubator https://review.openstack.org/133894 | 02:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Use template directly instead of stack.tmpl https://review.openstack.org/139548 | 02:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed openstack/heat: Make 'admin_pass' updatable for nova server https://review.openstack.org/137730 | 03:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed openstack/heat: Abstract rpc 'create_stack' call mock method https://review.openstack.org/139902 | 04:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed openstack/heat: Apply neutron network constraint https://review.openstack.org/135823 | 04:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed openstack/heat: Split wait condition handle into separate files https://review.openstack.org/139303 | 04:54 |
| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed openstack/heat: Apply neutron subnet constraint https://review.openstack.org/135875 | 04:55 |
| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed openstack/heat: Apply neutron router constraint https://review.openstack.org/135880 | 04:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jun Jie Nan proposed openstack/heat: Added pseudo param OS::tenant_id https://review.openstack.org/139646 | 05:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Jun Jie Nan proposed openstack/heat: Added tests for pseudo params https://review.openstack.org/139907 | 05:03 |
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| Qiming | hi, asalkeld_ | 05:51 |
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| asalkeld_ | hi Qiming | 05:56 |
| Qiming | asalkeld_, I just noticed your recent change 132190 | 05:57 |
| Qiming | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132190/ | 05:57 |
| asalkeld_ | yip | 05:57 |
| Qiming | I'm wondering if you would like to give it a second thought | 05:57 |
| asalkeld_ | what do you mean ? | 05:58 |
| Qiming | this new output with hard-coded name is not flexible, in my view | 05:58 |
| Qiming | I was wondering if we need to revise the HOT get_resource function so that it can take advantage of the 'path' parameter | 05:59 |
| asalkeld_ | Qiming, well "os::stack_id" is what we use for stack id | 05:59 |
| Qiming | another limitation is that you can only have one output per stack | 05:59 |
| asalkeld_ | Qiming, the point of this is that the template writer does not have to be aware of the implementation details | 05:59 |
| Qiming | right, that is my point too | 06:00 |
| asalkeld_ | so you path suggestion would not work | 06:00 |
| asalkeld_ | as the author would have to know that it is not normal | 06:00 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/heat: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/138958 | 06:00 |
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| asalkeld_ | Qiming, i am of coure open to better ideas | 06:01 |
| asalkeld_ | i just need a better idea | 06:01 |
| asalkeld_ | that works | 06:01 |
| Qiming | I'm trying to propose one because I know you are open to ideas | 06:01 |
| asalkeld_ | ok | 06:01 |
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| asalkeld_ | maybe post to that review? | 06:02 |
| Qiming | just like get_attr, which can do more than just from the surface | 06:02 |
| Qiming | okay, will do that | 06:02 |
| asalkeld_ | Qiming, ping me when you are done, and i'll have a read | 06:03 |
| Qiming | okay, thanks. | 06:03 |
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| Qiming | asalkeld_, done posting my comments ... forgive my craziness if needed, :) | 06:33 |
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| asalkeld_ | Qiming, did you see this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136230/ | 07:04 |
| asalkeld_ | that allows you to do a very similar thing | 07:04 |
| asalkeld_ | get_attr: [my_server, resource.inner_resource] == get_resource on the inner resource | 07:05 |
| asalkeld_ | and | 07:05 |
| asalkeld_ | get_attr: [my_server, resource.inner_resource, first_address] == get_attr on the inner resource | 07:05 |
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| Qiming | asalkeld_, oh, that one is cool, though the grammar is weird, :) | 07:08 |
| asalkeld_ | Qiming, it is disigned to match the resoruce group | 07:08 |
| Qiming | asalkeld_, I see. | 07:09 |
| asalkeld_ | resource group has: get_attr: [my_server, resource.<number>, first_address] | 07:09 |
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| Qiming | can I reference some resources from outer template from a nested template? | 07:09 |
| asalkeld_ | not yet | 07:10 |
| asalkeld_ | tho' that would be a bit of a layering issue | 07:10 |
| asalkeld_ | (it's nice to have template resources that are independant) | 07:11 |
| Qiming | would decoupling nested-stack work help on this? | 07:11 |
| asalkeld_ | not really, it just makes it more distrubted | 07:11 |
| Qiming | got it | 07:11 |
| asalkeld_ | (working on unraveling the test now) | 07:11 |
| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed openstack/heat: Split volume into separate files https://review.openstack.org/139925 | 07:15 |
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| pas-ha | morning all | 07:37 |
| tiantian | pas-ha: hi:) | 07:38 |
| asalkeld_ | hi | 07:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed openstack/heat: Split volume attachment into separate files https://review.openstack.org/139931 | 07:40 |
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| cmyster | morning | 07:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ethan Lynn proposed openstack/heat: Set resource id for OS::Neutron::LoadBalancer https://review.openstack.org/139934 | 07:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed openstack/heat: Split volume into separate files https://review.openstack.org/139925 | 08:20 |
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| mzbik | Hi guys | 08:39 |
| pas-ha | mzbik, hi | 08:39 |
| mzbik | my heat needs X-Auth-user and X-Auth-Key even if I have not set standalone mode | 08:40 |
| mzbik | [paste_deploy] #flavor=<None> | 08:40 |
| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed openstack/heat: Split volume attachment into separate files https://review.openstack.org/139931 | 08:40 |
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| shardy | mzbik: To avoid that requirement, set deferred_auth_method=trusts | 08:52 |
| mzbik | ok, thanks :) | 08:53 |
| shardy | http://hardysteven.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/heat-auth-model-updates-part-1-trusts.html | 08:53 |
| mzbik | just realized that | 08:53 |
| shardy | We really should make it the default, it's something I've been meaning to do for a while | 08:53 |
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| cmyster | +1 | 08:56 |
| mzbik | +1 | 08:57 |
| mzbik | if my vote counts ;) | 08:58 |
| shardy | asalkeld_: Hey, had you spotted that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131337/ needs a rebase? | 08:58 |
| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed openstack/heat-specs: Reorganize the code structure of resources https://review.openstack.org/129777 | 08:58 |
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| shardy | mzbik, cmyster: Yeah, let me see if I can revive https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122177/ this week | 08:59 |
| asalkeld_ | shardy, yip - i am working on it | 08:59 |
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| shardy | asalkeld_: Ah, cool, just wanted to check :) | 08:59 |
| shardy | asalkeld_: I'm interested in using that feature in TripleO soon :) | 09:00 |
| asalkeld_ | ok, getting there | 09:00 |
| cmyster | shardy: care to give it a recheck just to see if it even passes gates ? | 09:00 |
| shardy | cmyster: It won't, which is why I've been putting it off | 09:00 |
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| shardy | nearly every test breaks | 09:01 |
| cmyster | buh | 09:01 |
| shardy | I'll have to come up with a test base-class way to avoid fixing every.single.one | 09:01 |
| cmyster | nothing a nice sed can do here ? | 09:02 |
| shardy | not really, the problem is every test now needs to stub the call to keystone creating the trust | 09:02 |
| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed openstack/heat: Move volume tasks to heat/common/volume_tasks.py https://review.openstack.org/139947 | 09:02 |
| shardy | Or every test which creates a stack object at least, which is $most of them | 09:02 |
| cmyster | ah I see, | 09:02 |
| shardy | There's a common helper for creating the fixture, so maybe I can use that | 09:03 |
| cmyster | oh speaking of tests, what do you thinkshould be the upper limit of time consumption by a test ? I am working on a scenario that should take a few minutes to test | 09:04 |
| shardy | I think the main thing is to avoid requiring a full fedora image wherever possible (e.g use cirros) | 09:05 |
| shardy | nearly all of our gate test timout issues are because it sometimes takes way too long to boot a Fedora image | 09:06 |
| shardy | (on gate infra) | 09:06 |
| cmyster | I see, and what is the current timeout ? | 09:06 |
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| shardy | cmyster: In tempest, it's 1200s, not sure if that default is overridden for gate tests tbh | 09:09 |
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| mzbik | ee.... {"message": "Missing required credential: roles ['heat_stack_owner']", "traceback": null, "type": "MissingCredentialError"}, "title": "Bad Request"} | 09:15 |
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| mzbik | there is such role in keystone oO | 09:15 |
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| inc0 | gmorning | 09:23 |
| cmyster | morning | 09:23 |
| shardy | mzbik: The user creating the stack needs that role | 09:30 |
| shardy | mzbik: unless you're on recent master, where we removed that requirement and now delegate all roles instead: | 09:31 |
| shardy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130104/ | 09:31 |
| shardy | You can opt-in to that behavior on latest stable/juno too | 09:32 |
| mzbik | shardy, oh... tnx | 09:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed openstack/heat: Split instance code into seperate file https://review.openstack.org/139955 | 09:38 |
| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed openstack/heat: Reorganize instance code https://review.openstack.org/139955 | 09:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/138958 | 09:41 |
| cmyster | mzbik: usually devstack (I assume that thats what you are using here) should take care of everything from a configuration POV and give you the exact source files to use... | 09:44 |
| mzbik | cmyster, nope its not devstack :) | 09:44 |
| cmyster | gotcha | 09:44 |
| mzbik | :P | 09:44 |
| cmyster | what is it then ? | 09:44 |
| mzbik | custom install | 09:44 |
| cmyster | may I know what are you using to install it with ? | 09:45 |
| mzbik | rpms only | 09:46 |
| mzbik | and my experience in configuring whole openstack | 09:46 |
| mzbik | oh you mean with | 09:46 |
| mzbik | hmm... Im doing some prototyping and I was not using heat very often previously | 09:47 |
| cmyster | mzbik: I was just wondering of were using an installation tool, like packstack or something like that | 09:47 |
| mzbik | nope | 09:47 |
| mzbik | just, in this case, yum | 09:48 |
| cmyster | mzbik: you could always try installing with a tool of sorts and see how it configures things and try to do something similar. | 09:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed openstack/heat: Fix formatting in integration tests README https://review.openstack.org/139957 | 09:49 |
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| mzbik | cmyster, one more question, I would like to understand it well | 09:53 |
| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed openstack/heat: Reorganize user and access code https://review.openstack.org/139959 | 09:54 |
| mzbik | cmyster, I set deferred_auth_method=trusts, and trusts_delegated_roles=heat_stack_owner | 09:55 |
| mzbik | Every user which wants to create stack in heat must have heat_stack_owner role? oO | 09:55 |
| mzbik | I also set stack_domain_admin=heat and stack_domain_admin_password=heat | 09:56 |
| mzbik | maybe this user must have heat_stack_owner role? | 09:56 |
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| shardy | mzbik: Like I just said, on recent heat and optionally recent Juno, you don't need heat_stack_owner anymore | 09:59 |
| shardy | but if you're on an older version, then yes all users require heat_stack_owner | 09:59 |
| mzbik | ok ok, but I dont have latest code, yet ;) | 09:59 |
| mzbik | shardy, oh, ok :) thank you very much :) | 09:59 |
| shardy | http://hardysteven.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/heat-auth-model-updates-part-2-stack.html | 10:00 |
| shardy | That explains the domain user configuration | 10:00 |
| shardy | setting it to the heat service user is *not* what you want to do :) | 10:00 |
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| shardy | therve: Hey, any chance you could attend the oslo meeting this afternoon at 16.00 UTC? | 10:06 |
| shardy | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo | 10:06 |
| shardy | I've got a conflict with another meeting | 10:06 |
| therve | shardy, Hi! Not ideal, but I should able to yeah | 10:07 |
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| shardy | therve: If it's inconvenient we can ask one of the US based guys to do it? | 10:07 |
| therve | shardy, I'll pass the torch if necessary | 10:08 |
| shardy | therve: Ok, great thanks - I'll be out of the office all afternoon so that's much appreciated | 10:08 |
| therve | No problem :) | 10:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed openstack/heat: Make 'admin_pass' updatable for nova server https://review.openstack.org/137730 | 10:17 |
| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed openstack/heat: Take admin password for server rebuild https://review.openstack.org/137746 | 10:18 |
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| mzbik | shardy, thanks! | 10:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed openstack/heat: Split instance code into seperate file https://review.openstack.org/139955 | 10:28 |
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| maishsk | good afternoon | 10:52 |
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| maishsk | I am seeing a number of users being created in my environment - when using Wait Handles in templates | 10:53 |
| maishsk | for example - Mongo-wait_handle_mongoDB03-aefjbc2jqhd2 | 10:53 |
| sgran | that is correct | 10:53 |
| sgran | temporary user identities to use for the signed callback url | 10:54 |
| maishsk | why are these users being created? | 10:54 |
| sgran | the signing of the callback url could probably be implemented differently, but that's my understanding for how it currently works | 10:54 |
| maishsk | sgran: are these users supposed to be removed after a stack is deleted? | 10:55 |
| maishsk | and is this only for AWS::CloudFormation::WaitCondition ? or also for the Heat implementation of waitcondition as well? | 10:56 |
| sgran | maishk - yeah, they get cleaned up when the stack is removed. I don't know about the second question specifically, but I would imagine yes | 10:57 |
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| sgran | both waitconditions callback needs a signed url, I'd imagine they're implemented the same way | 10:57 |
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| maishsk | and in order to create these users - does the user running the stack need to have any specific permissions? | 10:58 |
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| inc0 | guys I'm playing with an idea. Regarding versioned objects, or where to put them to enable versioning with least amount of changes to logic | 11:01 |
| inc0 | I was thinking of adding middleware to db.api | 11:01 |
| inc0 | so instead of IMPL.do_whatever_whith_db() call version_it(IMPL.do_whatever_whith_db(), version="1.1") | 11:02 |
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| therve | elynn, Can you explain what's the problem in https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1400227 ? | 11:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1400227 in heat "OS::Neutron::LoadBalancer resource doesn't have resource id" [Undecided,In progress] | 11:07 |
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| inc0 | asalkeld_, got a secont? | 11:16 |
| inc0 | second even | 11:16 |
| asalkeld_ | hi inc0 sure | 11:16 |
| inc0 | I was thinking about implementing versioned objects | 11:17 |
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| asalkeld | ok, neat | 11:17 |
| inc0 | on level of db/api.py | 11:17 |
| asalkeld | inc0, i think it should be a level above | 11:17 |
| inc0 | so we have list of functions where we could apply versioning | 11:17 |
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| inc0 | above, so in logic of everything? | 11:17 |
| asalkeld | so we have a stack, resource, event, etc | 11:18 |
| asalkeld | and these have a .save() etc.. | 11:18 |
| asalkeld | i'd suggest having a look at the ironic and nova projects | 11:19 |
| asalkeld | to see how they do it | 11:19 |
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| asalkeld | ironic is probably the simplist case | 11:19 |
| inc0 | yeah, but we don't have this ORM-like approach everywhere | 11:19 |
| inc0 | I did look at nova | 11:19 |
| inc0 | will check ironic as well | 11:19 |
| asalkeld | so we need change our usage of the db to using the objects | 11:20 |
| asalkeld | (from method calls to db_api) | 11:20 |
| inc0 | but to apply nova approach, we'd need to change virtually every function, so insted of db_api.get_stack we'd need to change that to Stack.get everywhere | 11:20 |
| asalkeld | exactly | 11:20 |
| asalkeld | honestly there is not that many places | 11:21 |
| inc0 | now, how about adding a nifty decorator to db_api.get_stack | 11:21 |
| asalkeld | no thanks | 11:21 |
| inc0 | :D | 11:21 |
| inc0 | ok;) | 11:21 |
| asalkeld | lets do it right | 11:21 |
| asalkeld | but you can do it bit by bit | 11:21 |
| asalkeld | so one object at a time | 11:21 |
| inc0 | well, we only have few objects, thats good | 11:22 |
| inc0 | but we work on these few objects virtually everywhere, so we'll need to be careful not to miss anything | 11:22 |
| inc0 | thats why I was thinking of db_api - thats the common denominator | 11:23 |
| asalkeld | inc0, most of the access that i can see is in the tests | 11:24 |
| asalkeld | that could remain - it's for stubbing | 11:25 |
| inc0 | ok, I guess thats better idea to just keep standard across openstack | 11:25 |
| asalkeld | git grep db_api.stack | grep -v tests | wc -l | 11:26 |
| asalkeld | 23 | 11:26 |
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| inc0 | so here what I'll do | 11:29 |
| inc0 | 1 patch will be adding objects/stack.py with CRUD methods | 11:29 |
| inc0 | pretty much implementing equivalend for every db_api.stack* functions | 11:29 |
| inc0 | and replacing every occurence inside rest of heat | 11:30 |
| inc0 | and we'll go from there | 11:30 |
| inc0 | sounds right? | 11:30 |
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| asalkeld | inc0, let me look | 11:33 |
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| asalkeld | inc0, yeah seems right | 11:34 |
| asalkeld | was looking here: https://github.com/openstack/ironic/blob/master/ironic/objects/port.py | 11:34 |
| asalkeld | shardy, you about? | 11:36 |
| asalkeld | shardy, instance group is a bit irrigating as it doesn't seem to return the stack arn | 11:36 |
| asalkeld | so you can't get at the nested stack | 11:37 |
| asalkeld | thinking of adding a new attribute to get at it | 11:37 |
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| asalkeld | ga s/irrigating/irritating | 11:42 |
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| asalkeld | g'night all | 12:43 |
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| therve | shardy, I don't know if you noticed but https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116336/ and the serie have tests failing | 12:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Sergey Kraynev proposed openstack/heat: Using image property insted of default_image_id https://review.openstack.org/139989 | 13:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Sergey Kraynev proposed openstack/heat: Remove deprecated property of router_interface https://review.openstack.org/139990 | 13:03 |
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| shardy | therve: Yeah, thanks, fixing it is really hard unfortunately :( | 13:09 |
| therve | Ah damn | 13:09 |
| shardy | therve: asalkeld has kindly offered to help and is working on fixes | 13:09 |
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| pas-ha | hi all, what's our policy on deprecating resource properties? announce in one release, remove in next? | 13:15 |
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| cmyster | depends | 13:16 |
| cmyster | heat list is there for a long time | 13:16 |
| pas-ha | nah, that's a cli command, I'm interested in resources | 13:17 |
| cmyster | right, sorry | 13:17 |
| cmyster | my tired eyes stopped at the word deprecating | 13:18 |
| pas-ha | np :) | 13:18 |
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| zaneb | pas-ha: to date I don't think we've ever removed one | 13:30 |
| pas-ha | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139990/1/heat/engine/resources/neutron/router.py,cm | 13:31 |
| pas-ha | zaneb, ^ | 13:31 |
| pas-ha | that's why I ask | 13:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat: Change Neutron::FloatingIPAssociation res's name https://review.openstack.org/137799 | 13:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat: Add attributes to Neutron::FloatingIPAssociation https://review.openstack.org/138376 | 13:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Qiming Teng proposed openstack/heat: Avoid unnecessary passing of child_params in asg https://review.openstack.org/140003 | 13:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Fill test database from models description https://review.openstack.org/130776 | 13:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat: Convert unicode to six.text_type in heat/tests https://review.openstack.org/139651 | 13:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat: Convert unicode to six in heat/common https://review.openstack.org/139655 | 13:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat: Convert unicode to six in heat/engine https://review.openstack.org/139654 | 13:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat: Convert unicode to six in heat/engine/resources https://review.openstack.org/139653 | 13:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat: Convert unicode to six.text_type in heat/api https://review.openstack.org/139652 | 13:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat: Convert unicode to six in heat/common https://review.openstack.org/139655 | 14:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat: Convert unicode to six in heat/engine https://review.openstack.org/139654 | 14:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Create common stack_create functional test helper https://review.openstack.org/136008 | 14:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat: Convert unicode to six in heat/common https://review.openstack.org/139655 | 14:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat: Convert unicode to six in heat/engine https://review.openstack.org/139654 | 14:09 |
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| Qiming | pas-ha, there? | 15:47 |
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| pas-ha | yep | 15:48 |
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| Qiming | pas-ha, regarding https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137931/, I have reponded to your comments | 15:48 |
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| Qiming | however, when I tried assign server unconditionally, quite some test cases broke | 15:49 |
| Qiming | those test cases are making assumptions of call sequences | 15:49 |
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| sdake | shardy i see your playing with ironic | 15:50 |
| sdake | i am as well | 15:50 |
| Qiming | for example, I am seeing assertion errors like this: AssertionError: Called unknown API method: GET /servers/None, expected fakes method name: get_servers_None | 15:50 |
| sdake | did you manage to boot a non-cirros image in ironic? | 15:50 |
| pas-ha | Qiming, interesting.. they should not have, or there is some code execution path that goes through handle_update but does not do anything.. | 15:50 |
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| Qiming | yes, a lot of mocks in test_server.py | 15:51 |
| Qiming | making servers.get() call wasn't part of their designed behavior | 15:52 |
| pas-ha | ok then, I will lift my objection for some later bright day when we reduce the complexity of mocking :) | 15:52 |
| Qiming | thanks, this is not the ideal case, need to revisit this later on | 15:53 |
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| pas-ha | Qiming, done | 15:55 |
| Qiming | thanks! | 15:55 |
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| pas-ha | no +A though, if nobody chimes in with any suggestion, will +A tomorrow | 15:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/heat: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/140052 | 16:17 |
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| ekarlso- | isn't %replace_me% a valid pattern for a variable in st_Replace? | 16:46 |
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| pas-ha | bye all | 17:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thomas Herve proposed openstack/heat: Remove unused oslo modules https://review.openstack.org/140093 | 17:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Thomas Herve proposed openstack/heat: Sync oslo modules https://review.openstack.org/140094 | 17:36 |
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| keithmorin | Is there anyway to force heat to reload new plugins from the plugin directory set in the config file while the engine is running? | 18:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Make 'admin_pass' updatable for nova server https://review.openstack.org/137730 | 19:12 |
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| randallburt | keithmorin: not to my knowlege. requires that you restart the engine AFAIK. | 19:18 |
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| keithmorin | randallburt thanks! As part of the integration with heat that we are working on for our hybrid cloud platform, we map resource types created from the UI to those in the heat that can be ordered | 19:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Rob Pothier proposed openstack/heat: OS::Neutron::Subnet host_routes should allow updates. https://review.openstack.org/140123 | 19:21 |
| keithmorin | part of this requires heat registering the resource plugin that are code generated | 19:21 |
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| keithmorin | Is there anyway to achieve this? I see there is register_class called from the heat.engine.environment.Environment | 19:22 |
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| keithmorin | Is there any way in heat to register a looping task? | 19:23 |
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| randallburt | keithmorin: not eaily. Its almost like you'd want a plugin plugin that registers these resources, but that would be global and I don't know if that's what you'd want to do as it sounds like these would be dynamic at runtime and not something that you'd want to stick around. | 19:47 |
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| zaneb | keithmorin: You should be able to register them in the local (not global) environment to restrict their scope to the current stack | 19:56 |
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| keithmorin | thanks randallburt: zaneb:! | 20:11 |
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| keithmorin | zaneb: when you say restrict thei scope to current stack you mean inside every resource plugin I would have to run the register_class to have them part of environment right? | 20:12 |
| zaneb | inside the plugin? | 20:14 |
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| zaneb | keithmorin: ^ | 20:14 |
| zaneb | I'm a little confused about what you're trying to do, to be honest | 20:15 |
| zaneb | in general, at startup time we register every plugin in the global environment | 20:16 |
| zaneb | each stack also has its own local environment that inherits from but can override the global one | 20:16 |
| keithmorin | Can you expand a little more on the local vs global env? Yes I was referring inside the plugin | 20:16 |
| zaneb | maybe you could explain a little more what you're trying to do? | 20:17 |
| zaneb | normally the local environment is just used to remap resource type names to different plugins, but it | 20:18 |
| keithmorin | Essentially we have a UI built on top of horizon where we can create/update "structure" of the resources based on drag and drop components. The resource plugin code is then code generated on the fly | 20:18 |
| keithmorin | the challenge is then registering the resource in heat | 20:18 |
| zaneb | ...it's the same code as for the global environment, so there's no reason you can't register plugins there too | 20:18 |
| zaneb | ok | 20:19 |
| zaneb | what triggers the plugin code to be generated? | 20:19 |
| keithmorin | yeah but the issue is this is happening while other orders are ongoing so restarting heat is not an option | 20:19 |
| zaneb | hmm | 20:19 |
| keithmorin | Otherwise the user can come to the UI anytime they want and build their own resources | 20:19 |
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| keithmorin | this will not happen quite often | 20:20 |
| zaneb | so you could register them in the global environment, but then they'd be available to everyone | 20:20 |
| zaneb | there's no concept of a tenant-scoped environment | 20:20 |
| * zaneb is curious what the components of these resources are, and whether they could be better expressed as template resources | 20:21 | |
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| keithmorin | no the components are exposed on the UI as well...essentially at the end they would call out apis from differnet components of our different cloud infrastructure but these infrastrcutres can be autoscaled | 20:26 |
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| keithmorin | problem of doing that inside the plugin though is that the template validation will fail regardless | 20:27 |
| keithmorin | because it will not find the resource type..I believe that validation step is before the actual resource plugin is invoked right? | 20:27 |
| zaneb | yes | 20:27 |
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| zaneb | I mean a plugin isn't just invoked | 20:28 |
| zaneb | like plugin.invoke() | 20:28 |
| zaneb | a plugin supplies various methods like handle_create(), handle_delete() &c. | 20:29 |
| zaneb | when you create a stack it looks at the environment to see which resource types map to which plugins | 20:29 |
| zaneb | then it creates the Resource objects in-memory with the right types | 20:29 |
| keithmorin | yeah... the entire lifecycle which is tied to the stack CRUD ops right? | 20:30 |
| zaneb | and as you're actually creating the stack it calls handle_create() from the plugin | 20:30 |
| zaneb | yes, exactly | 20:30 |
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| zaneb | so it's not clear to me where the trigger is going to be to register this new plugin | 20:30 |
| keithmorin | it can be in handle_create() but to have heat invoke handle_create() for that resource the resource will have to be already registered right? | 20:32 |
| zaneb | correct | 20:32 |
| keithmorin | so really I am back to square one :( | 20:32 |
| zaneb | nothing in the plugin is called until we find a resource in a stack that maps to that plugin because it is registered by that name in the environment | 20:32 |
| zaneb | keithmorin: so, two ideas | 20:33 |
| zaneb | 1) use TemplateResource: register permanent plugins for the constituent parts of these composite resources, and generate the code to combine them in user-defined ways as HOT templates instead of python code | 20:35 |
| zaneb | that's the way Heat is intended to be used, so it will have the lowest friction | 20:35 |
| zaneb | failing that... | 20:35 |
| zaneb | 2) implement something _like_ TemplateResource. as randallburt suggested above, a plugins plugin. it would be permanently registered (some hackery required, I suspect), and would be responsible for connecting the resource definition to the right particular generated plugin on the fly | 20:37 |
| keithmorin | 1) is not an option since that would require more than 1000+ plugins and types (with maintainibility issues and backward comatibility ) 2) sounds like something we can do but I have two questions on the best recommended approach: | 20:41 |
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| keithmorin | Do we create a resource and then update through a stack create/update action periodically? Or before right before every single stack create call? | 20:43 |
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| keithmorin | Or is there a better way to achieve through a periodic task scheduling in heat of some sort? | 20:44 |
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| zaneb | keithmorin: well, I'd suggest some sort of plugin system for your plugin. so when the Resource object is created it would find the correct generated code and when handle_create gets called it would proxy it on to the generated handle_create | 20:55 |
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| keithmorin | ok so I guess there will have to be only one resource with the handle_create routed to the proper generated code | 21:30 |
| keithmorin | Any plan in fututre where you will provide may be an API extension to push artifacts on the global env? | 21:31 |
| keithmorin | kinda like puppet does? | 21:31 |
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| randallburt | keithmorin: sounds a bit risky to execute arbitrary untrusted code to me | 21:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Fix formatting in integration tests README https://review.openstack.org/139957 | 21:41 |
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| keithmorin | randallburt: But having no capabilities from outside heat engine to push external configuration other than having plugins seems like a major limitation | 21:56 |
| randallburt | keithmorin: possibly. but there's no good solution for that outside template resources from a security standpoint that I can think of. | 21:57 |
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| zaneb | keithmorin: yeah, agree with randallburt. Heat is a multi-tenant service, so anything global has to be done by the operator. this is pretty much the whole reason we invented template resources | 22:22 |
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| asalkeld | morning | 22:30 |
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| keithmorin | zaneb: So just so that we are both talking about the same thing, template resource is exposig the template as a resource right? | 23:06 |
| keithmorin | I don't see how this is going to help my case in mutli-tenant env | 23:06 |
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| randallburt | keithmorin: yes, but it allows for creating/customizing new types based on existing ones; not nearly as flexible as a plugin written in python and won't let you use new services or non-openstack ones, though | 23:21 |
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| keithmorin | Any good resources on this one...so far all I have found is the blueprint and something on Steve Hardys blog | 23:22 |
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| randallburt | keithmorin: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/template_guide/composition.html | 23:25 |
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| asalkeld | brb | 23:40 |
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