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| sdake_ | stevebaker re the autoscale hongbin brought up, a resource group kills all vms within it on a stack update which is really undesirable | 00:15 |
| sdake_ | do you have any other suggestions for growing a resource group manually without killing vms? | 00:15 |
| stevebaker | sdake_: yes, shardy has done a lot of work in his area, you should talk to him | 00:16 |
| sdake_ | cool i'll hit him up in the am | 00:16 |
| sdake_ | thanks | 00:16 |
| stevebaker | sdake_: I thought we had backported everything to juno, so you may need to be specific on what your changing to trigger the update | 00:16 |
| sdake_ | i'd like to just stick with a resource group | 00:16 |
| sdake_ | hongbin said when he changed the node count on a resource group, all vms were killed and started afresh | 00:17 |
| sdake_ | I would expect that not to be the case - instead only a new one would be started on increase and one randomly killed on shrinkage | 00:17 |
| sdake_ | I think shrinking is never going to work personally, so I'm happy with "grow" :) | 00:17 |
| stevebaker | sdake_: also, when shadower's stack-breakpoint lands you can use that to update one server at a time (with an optional manual inspection of the change before advancing to the next break) | 00:18 |
| sdake_ | we launch a resource group with 3 nodes | 00:18 |
| sdake_ | it starts up | 00:18 |
| sdake_ | we stack update from 3 to 4 | 00:18 |
| sdake_ | all 3 are killed | 00:18 |
| sdake_ | that is the part that is not ideal :) | 00:18 |
| stevebaker | sdake_: ResourceGroup has a removal_policies property now, so you can choose what to kill on scale down http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/template_guide/openstack.html#OS::Heat::ResourceGroup | 00:19 |
| sdake_ | what about scale up? | 00:19 |
| stevebaker | sdake_: what version of heat? | 00:19 |
| sdake_ | master | 00:19 |
| sdake_ | I have not tested personally | 00:19 |
| sdake_ | but I trust hongbin's work and have seen his review = looks solid | 00:19 |
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| stevebaker | sdake_: OK, definitely ping shardy. We need that to work too. Also make sure you are using master heat | 00:21 |
| sdake_ | I am using master but I am not sure that hongbin is | 00:22 |
| sdake_ | he may be using juno | 00:22 |
| sdake_ | we had that in our instructions at one point because master was busted with some resources not sufficient issue or something | 00:22 |
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| asalkeld | stevebaker, i have been asked about the ratio of 'fishbowl/work" sessions at summit | 00:30 |
| sdake_ | 2 milliion to 1! | 00:30 |
| asalkeld | fishbowl == old school dev sessions | 00:30 |
| stevebaker | no matter what we do, first 2 sessions are fishbowl until they realise its really boring ;) | 00:30 |
| asalkeld | work sessions was the friday session | 00:30 |
| asalkeld | 50/50 ? | 00:32 |
| * asalkeld not sure who is keen to do the PTL job next | 00:33 | |
| asalkeld | any ideas | 00:33 |
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| asalkeld | I have tentatively put "fishbowl = 5, work = 10, friday = 1" last time it was "fishbowl = 7, work = 0, friday = 2" | 00:36 |
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| asalkeld | stevebaker, i have set this to kilo-3 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/software-config-zaqar | 03:23 |
| asalkeld | let me know it that is wrong | 03:23 |
| asalkeld | Qiming, what's the state of this: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/as-lib | 03:31 |
| asalkeld | will that be done in k3? | 03:31 |
| asalkeld | or "ongoing" | 03:32 |
| Qiming | asalkeld, 'ongoing' is more accurate | 03:32 |
| asalkeld | grrr, just set to k3, ok changing | 03:32 |
| asalkeld | https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/kilo-3 | 03:37 |
| asalkeld | wow lots of blueprints | 03:37 |
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| stevebaker | asalkeld: OK, we'll see how it goes. I'm not sure I'll get to software-config-zaqar | 03:40 |
| asalkeld | ok, we can push it to l-1 later | 03:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/heat: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/152397 | 06:03 |
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| asalkeld | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/openstack/dev/44410?page=last | 07:15 |
| asalkeld | networking guru's ^ | 07:16 |
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| therve | stevebaker, Hi, can you have another look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147953/ ? | 08:14 |
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| sdake_ | morning, shardy around? | 13:16 |
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| shardy | sdake__: Hi | 14:09 |
| sdake__ | morning fine sir | 14:09 |
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| shardy | sdake__: Hey, sorry been on a call | 14:09 |
| sdake__ | one of our magnum community members reported a stack update of a resource group node count kills all vms andthen starts fresh with the added one | 14:09 |
| sdake__ | stevebaker said that is not how it should be working | 14:09 |
| sdake__ | can you verify? | 14:09 |
| sdake__ | (master) | 14:09 |
| shardy | sdake__: Yeah, it's a bug I fixed a while back | 14:09 |
| sdake__ | resource group rockin idea btw- love it :) | 14:09 |
| sdake__ | is it backported to juno? | 14:10 |
| sdake__ | are you sure its fixed :) | 14:10 |
| shardy | sdake__: Yeah it should be, let me find the link | 14:10 |
| shardy | sdake__: Are you using OS::Neutron::Port resources? | 14:10 |
| sdake__ | yes | 14:10 |
| shardy | there are some complexities around that, depending on how you're using them | 14:11 |
| * shardy finds more links | 14:11 | |
| sdake__ | mind havinga look at our template? | 14:11 |
| shardy | sdake__: sure | 14:11 |
| sdake__ | https://github.com/stackforge/magnum/tree/master/etc/magnum/templates/heat-kubernetes | 14:12 |
| sdake__ | We really dont want to kill nodes during a stack update :) | 14:12 |
| shardy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141820/ | 14:12 |
| sdake__ | Hongbin had suggested using an autoscaling group | 14:12 |
| sdake__ | but I think a resourcegroup is better | 14:12 |
| shardy | that's the main change, but there were a few others I landed, and backported, around the same time | 14:12 |
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| sdake__ | holy batman lots of +1s | 14:13 |
| shardy | sdake__: TripleO currently uses ResourceGroup, which is where we found these bugs as it's the exact use-case you describe | 14:13 |
| sdake__ | merged dec15 | 14:13 |
| sdake__ | ya, we are doing similar things (deploying nodes) | 14:13 |
| sdake__ | dec 15, hongbin shoudl be running a later version of that I'd suspect | 14:14 |
| sdake__ | he didn't start working on the project until january | 14:14 |
| shardy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131538/ | 14:14 |
| shardy | sdake__: that was also required to the templates, due to the way OS::Neutron::Port is used | 14:14 |
| shardy | If you define a port outside the resourcegroup, you may also need AUTO | 14:15 |
| shardy | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-October/049376.html | 14:16 |
| sdake__ | oh replacement policy!! | 14:16 |
| sdake__ | I bet we dont have auto for that port | 14:16 |
| shardy | sdake__: that thread has some good info from stevebaker about why that's needed | 14:17 |
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| sdake__ | shardy thanks that is super helpful | 14:20 |
| sdake__ | I think we are bust because of ports | 14:20 |
| sdake__ | that probably triggers an entire rip and replace of the vms | 14:21 |
| sdake__ | the template: https://github.com/stackforge/magnum/tree/master/etc/magnum/templates/heat-kubernetes | 14:21 |
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| sdake__ | shardy does floating ip have a similar problem? | 14:23 |
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| shardy | sdake_: basically yes, stevebaker's reply explains some of the bi-directional dependencies related to doing updates when discrete port/server/floating-ip combos are specified | 14:43 |
| sdake_ | I read the thread but didn't catch that part | 14:44 |
| sdake_ | so could you dumb it down for me and make a recommendation for what we should do:) | 14:44 |
| sdake_ | remmber, I haven't worked on heat codebase for couple years, so no longer an expert in how the code works :( | 14:45 |
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| shardy | sdake_: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-October/049491.html | 14:47 |
| shardy | There are a few options, which you choose basically depends on how the template is written and what behavior you find least broken on update | 14:48 |
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| sdake_ | let me ask is it possible to get a stack update to not replace port, floating ip, or vms that are already deployed? | 14:49 |
| shardy | sdake_: see from "So to summarize these scenarios" in that message | 14:49 |
| sdake_ | ya slow reader :) sec | 14:49 |
| sdake_ | so use auto for replacement policy on floating ip as well then? | 14:50 |
| sdake_ | Iguess I'll just play with it | 14:50 |
| sdake_ | thanks for your help shardy | 14:50 |
| sdake_ | I appreciate your time :) | 14:50 |
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| sdake_ | shardy I think 1.auto is our use case | 14:53 |
| sdake_ | so i'll just stick with replacement_policy of auto | 14:53 |
| shardy | sdake_: Yeah, looking at your templates I think you're right | 14:53 |
| sdake_ | replacement_policy: auto goes where exactly? | 14:53 |
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| sdake_ | in the resource group or the port? | 14:54 |
| sdake_ | I suspect port | 14:54 |
| shardy | it's a property of the OS::Neutron::Port resource | 14:54 |
| shardy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131538/1/overcloud-without-mergepy.yaml | 14:54 |
| sdake_ | right cool | 14:54 |
| shardy | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/template_guide/openstack.html#OS::Neutron::Port-props | 14:54 |
| sdake_ | heat docs have become so good | 14:55 |
| sdake_ | amazing huh :) | 14:55 |
| shardy | doc generation ftw :) | 14:56 |
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| sdake_ | self documenting code ftw too :) | 14:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mehdi Abaakouk proposed openstack/heat: ceilometer: new Gnocchi Alarm resources https://review.openstack.org/153291 | 15:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/152397 | 15:37 |
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| sparr | I'm having some trouble finding basic documentation for heat, such as for creating a simple template. Where should I be looking? | 16:29 |
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| sparr | also, is there a way to create a heat template that matches an existing VM? | 16:35 |
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| sparr | I'm just trying to automate some of the things I frequently do from the openstack web interface or nova command line, such as terminating and re-creating VMs | 16:39 |
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| tspatzier | sparr: this could be a good place to start: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/template_guide/ | 16:41 |
| tspatzier | also what worked for many people is looking at examples at https://github.com/openstack/heat-templates/tree/master/hot and tweak them for their use cases | 16:42 |
| sparr | I did try looking through the examples but they seem daunting. | 16:43 |
| sparr | Thanks for the first link. I'm gonna edit https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat and add a link to that. | 16:43 |
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| alextricity | Does anybody know how if I can get a list of interfaces of a neutron router? That way i can leverage that data in my heat template? | 17:55 |
| alextricity | I would most likely use the show attribute of the router resource, right? | 17:55 |
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| sparr | Using heat to create an instance instead of the openstack web interface, I end up with a user named "ec2-user" instead of "ubuntu". What causes that distinction? | 18:24 |
| alextricity | I've noticed that too. I would like to know | 18:25 |
| alextricity | I've tried to install the extraroutes plugin. Did a sudo python ./setup.py instal and restarted heat-engine but I still get resource not found. Did I do something wrong? | 18:27 |
| larsks | sparr: alextricity: by default, heat ships over a user-data script that, among other things, creates a standard "ec2-user". If you don't like this, you can set 'user_data_format: RAW' in your OS::Nova::Server properties. | 18:29 |
| larsks | If you do this, heat does not modify your user_data at all. | 18:30 |
| alextricity | larks: ahh i see. Thank you :) | 18:31 |
| alextricity | Does anybody know what is the proper way to install heat plugins? python ./setup.py install doesn't seem to do it for me | 18:33 |
| alextricity | It never copies the files over to /usr/lib/heat | 18:34 |
| larsks | alextricity: That should work. WHich plugin? | 18:35 |
| alextricity | larsks: I'm working with the extraroute plugin | 18:36 |
| larsks | alextricity: There is no setup.py in contrib/extaroute... | 18:37 |
| alextricity | ??? I see it | 18:37 |
| alextricity | https://github.com/openstack/heat/tree/master/contrib/extraroute | 18:37 |
| larsks | Ugh, whoops, my local repo was pinned at stable/icehouse. Just a sec... | 18:38 |
| larsks | alextricity: So, if I run 'python setup.py' (as root), I see: | 18:39 |
| larsks | http://chunk.io/f/304e983f033b4f17826f76317f01183c | 18:39 |
| larsks | Specifically, "copying extraroute/resources/__init__.py -> /usr/lib/heat/extraroute/ | 18:39 |
| alextricity | Yup, that's what I see to. | 18:39 |
| alextricity | too* | 18:39 |
| larsks | And ls -R /usr/lib/heat yields: | 18:39 |
| larsks | /usr/lib/heat/extraroute: | 18:39 |
| larsks | extraroute.py __init__.py | 18:39 |
| larsks | So that seemed to work. | 18:39 |
| alextricity | Ah..maybe I fat-fingered the config | 18:40 |
| alextricity | i'm going to double check | 18:40 |
| larsks | alextricity: ALso, after restarting heat-engine, 'heat resource-type-list' shows 'OS::Neutron::ExtraRoute' in the output. | 18:41 |
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| alextricity | got it. Thanks larks! | 18:44 |
| alextricity | larsks* | 18:44 |
| larsks | Awesome. | 18:44 |
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| sparr | > heat stack-show mediamanager | 18:57 |
| sparr | ERROR: The server could not comply with the request since | 18:57 |
| sparr | ... that error message seems a bit incomplete | 18:57 |
| larsks | sparr: That does look a little truncated. | 18:58 |
| larsks | Anything in the heat engine log? | 18:58 |
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| sparr | my /var/log/heat is empty | 19:29 |
| sparr | where else might that log be? | 19:29 |
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| sparr | update: since finishing its deploy, "heat stack-show mediamanager" now works and outputs the info I expect it to, but "heat event-list mediamanager" gives the truncated error message | 19:30 |
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| stevebaker | morning | 19:48 |
| sparr | yes | 19:58 |
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| stevebaker | sparr: Have you found the hot guide? http://docs.openstack.org/user-guide/content/hot-guide.html | 20:00 |
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| alextricity | larsks: You remember you mentioned setting user_data_format to RAW earlier? What if I'm already setting it to software config because i'm using them. Is there any other way to login as the user ubuntu as suppose to ec2-user? | 20:03 |
| larsks | alextricity: you should be able to provide a cloud-config component that resets 'user: ubuntu' | 20:07 |
| alextricity | larsks. Oh I didn't know that. Thank you | 20:08 |
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| sparr | stevebaker: yes, thanks | 20:21 |
| stevebaker | we really need to rewrite the Heat wiki page for users first, then operators, then developers | 20:21 |
| SpamapS | +1 | 20:22 |
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| alextricity | Hey :) Does anybody know how I can pass a heat parameter of type "delimited list" as a parameter to a template? | 20:54 |
| alextricity | I get this error when I try: | 20:56 |
| alextricity | personality "str_replace" params must be strings or numbers | 20:56 |
| stevebaker | alextricity: you may need to list_join the param value first http://docs.openstack.org/user-guide/content/hot-spec-intrinsic-functions.html | 21:05 |
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| RichardR1seley | What is the best way for me to learn more about the capabilities of the OS::Heat::WaitCondition and WaitConditionHandle resources? The template reference has only the most basic information - I am looking for something more in-depth (and operator-centric preferrably). | 22:14 |
| sdake | what would you like to know | 22:15 |
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| RichardR1seley | sdake: I am primarily interested in what the capabilities of posting and then retrieving data from the waithandle are. Id love to be able to write data to the handler from one host (more than just SUCCESS) and then read that from another host which comes later in the configuration (e.g. for passing around generated shared secrets). | 22:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Remove TaskRunner from Neutron Pool resource https://review.openstack.org/147953 | 22:36 |
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| sdake | Richardr1seley ya I comprehend that use case, but that isnt' implemented, waitconditions only act as one unit | 22:44 |
| sdake | generally you use a waitcondition within a set of resources and singnal once your vm is operational | 22:44 |
| sdake | but you want to signal when N vms are operational | 22:44 |
| sdake | iuuc | 22:44 |
| sdake | iiuc that is | 22:45 |
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| sdake | you could use count | 22:46 |
| sdake | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/template_guide/openstack.html#OS::Heat::WaitCondition | 22:46 |
| sdake | oh passing shared secrets | 22:47 |
| sdake | missed that part | 22:47 |
| sdake | hmm, no idea :) | 22:47 |
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| RichardR1seley | sdake: Thank you for that information. | 22:51 |
| sdake | Richardr1seley heat is declarative, it takes a definition of what you want and makes it happen | 22:51 |
| sdake | what you want is more like a imperative process | 22:52 |
| sdake | i.e. you need steps to be taken in your execution | 22:52 |
| sdake | you really want workflow imo | 22:52 |
| sdake | mistral might help there | 22:52 |
| sdake | sure enjoy | 22:53 |
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