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| openstackgerrit | Deliang Fan proposed openstack/heat: Fix floatingip[association] misses use case https://review.openstack.org/167980 | 01:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Randall Burt proposed openstack/heat: Add support for the httpsRedirect property https://review.openstack.org/173146 | 01:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Deliang Fan proposed openstack/heat: Fix floatingip[association] misses use case https://review.openstack.org/167980 | 02:00 |
| elynn | morning :) | 02:04 |
| Yanyanhu | morning | 02:07 |
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| elynn | stevebaker, Qiming , are your there? Do you have time to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/172877/ | 02:14 |
| Qiming | elynn, will do | 02:15 |
| stevebaker | elynn: done | 02:16 |
| elynn | thanks Qiming :) This issue blocking internal fvt. | 02:16 |
| elynn | thanks stevebaker | 02:16 |
| elynn | If I want this patch backport to kilo, I need to push it for branch proposal/kilo? | 02:17 |
| stevebaker | Qiming: is there a Senlin talk in the main summit schedule? | 02:19 |
| Qiming | stevebaker, sadly, no, the talk proposal was not accepted | 02:20 |
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| stevebaker | Qiming: in that case I wonder if some (all) of a design summit slot should be devoted to it? | 02:21 |
| Qiming | yes, that would be cool | 02:21 |
| Qiming | I have no idea how to apply for one | 02:22 |
| stevebaker | Qiming: propose it here, and the PTL will consult & decide https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-heat-sessions | 02:23 |
| Qiming | okay | 02:24 |
| stevebaker | which might be me, but I have no idea when nominations close ;) | 02:24 |
| Qiming | no doubts from me, ;) | 02:24 |
| Qiming | looks like the etherpad is experiencing some problem | 02:26 |
| elynn | Try firefox | 02:26 |
| Qiming | elynn, the same error | 02:26 |
| Qiming | An error occured while loading the pad | 02:27 |
| Qiming | Error: Attempt to load undefined module. | 02:27 |
| elynn | I can open this link via firefox, but chrome said it has an error. | 02:27 |
| Qiming | cleaning cache now | 02:27 |
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| Qiming | now it works | 02:28 |
| elynn | ok, maybe I need to clean my chrome cache. | 02:31 |
| Qiming | stevebaker, just added one into the pad | 02:31 |
| elynn | stevebaker, Qiming , need to approve again for proposed/kilo https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173152/ | 02:31 |
| stevebaker | Qiming: OK, I'm thinking maybe one fishbowl session to cover all the autoscaling things, with dedicated time for senlin | 02:32 |
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| Qiming | sounds good | 02:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ethan Lynn proposed openstack/heat: Pass stack id to init stacklock https://review.openstack.org/171930 | 03:20 |
| Qiming | stevebaker, a question? | 03:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Fix sqlalchemy migration script 061 for DB2 backend https://review.openstack.org/172877 | 03:39 |
| openstackgerrit | LiangChen proposed openstack/heat: Docker plugin add host devices property https://review.openstack.org/168565 | 03:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ethan Lynn proposed openstack/heat: Show deprecated warnings when import parser https://review.openstack.org/171967 | 03:50 |
| stevebaker | Qiming: yes? | 03:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Sirushti Murugesan proposed openstack/heat: Prevent false positives of UPDATE_COMPLETE in integration tests https://review.openstack.org/173045 | 03:54 |
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| ramishra | stevebaker: Hi, have a minute? | 04:03 |
| stevebaker | ramishra: sure | 04:04 |
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| ramishra | stevebaker: reg https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164572/, there seems to be conflict for 'requests' dependency for os-collect-config(yum) and docker-compose(pip) | 04:05 |
| ramishra | stevebaker: anyway, there would be docker-compose fedora package sometime soon, they have an earlier 'fig' package atm | 04:06 |
| stevebaker | ramishra: looks like they're pinning to exact versions https://github.com/docker/compose/blob/master/requirements.txt | 04:07 |
| ramishra | stevebaker: yeah! | 04:07 |
| ramishra | stevebaker: It does not work for requests>=2.5.3, works for less than 2.5 | 04:08 |
| stevebaker | ramishra: can you pip install --no-deps? (and pip install any required deps manually) | 04:09 |
| ramishra | stevebaker: yeah, I think I tried that, it does not work.. docker-compose breaks with 2.5.3 | 04:10 |
| stevebaker | ugh, they should fix that | 04:10 |
| ramishra | I think its because of docker-py https://github.com/docker/compose/issues/918 | 04:11 |
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| stevebaker | ramishra: you could always pip install all the things. It might be easier to get os-collect-config working with older requests heat-templates/hot/software-config/boot-config/templates/fragments/install_config_agent_pip.sh | 04:12 |
| ramishra | stevebaker: that's what we did earlier before moving to fedora packages, we moved to yum to reduce the size of image:) | 04:13 |
| stevebaker | lol, oh yeah | 04:14 |
| stevebaker | well, working and big beats broken and small | 04:14 |
| ramishra | but, we can use the binary install of docker-compose, we'll move pip install later, when it's fixed. should be ok right? | 04:15 |
| stevebaker | couldn't we try pip install with pip install of os-collect-config etc? | 04:16 |
| ramishra | yeah, it requires gcc and other xml/xlst stuff, we can do that, but my guess it would increase the size.. | 04:17 |
| stevebaker | ah, thats where my cleanup stuff would come in handy https://github.com/steveb/docker-heat-templates/blob/master/docker/heat-base-standalone/install-heat.sh#L34 | 04:18 |
| ramishra | IMO, we may have to look for something like busybox or some light os for container-agent . the size should be minimal like weave or socketplane < 20MB, >500 MB is still too big. | 04:20 |
| stevebaker | yeah agreed | 04:20 |
| stevebaker | surely someone at redhat is working on tiny container base images | 04:21 |
| ramishra | hopefully;) the size of atomic with all kubernetes, docker and flannel is > 400 MB :) | 04:22 |
| stevebaker | lets stop optimising image size for now, and work on that later. I won't object if you install binary docker-compose | 04:22 |
| ramishra | btw, I've added the logic to pull the image from http server.. | 04:23 |
| stevebaker | oh, sweet | 04:23 |
| stevebaker | hey look, I'm PTL https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTL_Elections_April_2015#Confirmed_candidates | 04:27 |
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| ramishra | congrats:) | 04:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | shihanzhang proposed openstack/heat: Add config option to override url for versions https://review.openstack.org/160267 | 04:56 |
| Qiming | stevebaker, still there? | 04:58 |
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| ananta | stevebaker: hi | 05:02 |
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| stevebaker | ananta: hi | 05:18 |
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| KanagarajM | good morning | 05:39 |
| Qiming | stevebaker, I am trying to inject a script into a VM and have it executed just like a backgroup service | 05:42 |
| Qiming | to avoid building custom images as required by users, I'm not using softwareconfig or any os-*-config packages | 05:43 |
| Qiming | any suggestions how I can 1) pass stack user id/password into the vm, 2) daemonize the script so that it will get executed periodically? | 05:44 |
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| nihilifer | good morning | 06:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ishant Tyagi proposed openstack/heat: Add type field to the resource attributes schema - WIP https://review.openstack.org/173179 | 06:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Docker plugin add host devices property https://review.openstack.org/168565 | 08:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sergey Kraynev proposed openstack/heat: Start use error_exit function in AWS LB https://review.openstack.org/173224 | 09:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ethan Lynn proposed openstack/heat: Show deprecated warnings when import parser https://review.openstack.org/171967 | 09:50 |
| openstackgerrit | xu-haiwei proposed openstack/heat: Revert "Add dependency for FIP if used network in port" https://review.openstack.org/173237 | 09:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed openstack/heat: Add version to manila plugin https://review.openstack.org/172288 | 10:15 |
| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed openstack/heat: Use snapshot's environment when stack restore https://review.openstack.org/171533 | 10:16 |
| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed openstack/heat: Support to generate hot template based on resource type https://review.openstack.org/173247 | 10:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Make sure UpdatePolicy is unset for Heat scaling group https://review.openstack.org/158549 | 11:12 |
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| jgrassler | Good afternoon. | 12:19 |
| jgrassler | Is anyone aware of a documentation generator that produces {Markdown,RST,you-name-it} from a Heat template's description fields in the parmeters/outputs sections? | 12:20 |
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| jgrassler | If there's no such thing so far I'll hack one myself, but I'd rather not reinvent the wheel needlessly. | 12:22 |
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| shardy | jgrassler: I'm not aware of any, but you may be able to adapt our in-tree docs generation code, which does that with resource properties/attributes | 12:24 |
| ryansb | jgrassler: that'd be pretty handy, but I don't know of one | 12:24 |
| shardy | the process should be the same, you just need to create the schema from the template | 12:24 |
| shardy | jgrassler: we have the code to do the template->schema conversion in-tree too | 12:25 |
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| shardy | https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/heat/engine/resources/template_resource.py#L87 | 12:25 |
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| jgrassler | shardy: that looks promising, thanks! | 12:26 |
| shardy | https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/doc/source/ext/resources.py#L45 | 12:27 |
| shardy | jgrassler: that's the code that generates the resource-schema docs | 12:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Deliang Fan proposed openstack/heat: Fix floatingip[association] misses use case https://review.openstack.org/167980 | 13:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sergey Kraynev proposed openstack/heat: Enable SecurityGroups property for AWS LB resource https://review.openstack.org/173311 | 13:21 |
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| inc0 | zaneb, you awake? I'd love to talk briefly about heat overcloud upgrades | 14:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sergey Kraynev proposed openstack/heat: WIP compare [--copy-from] and --location https://review.openstack.org/173380 | 15:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Sergey Kraynev proposed openstack/heat: WIP compare --copy-from and [--location] https://review.openstack.org/173381 | 15:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jason Dunsmore proposed openstack/heat: Add ability to filter stacks by tag https://review.openstack.org/160537 | 15:26 |
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| inc0 | zaneb, you there? | 16:21 |
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| zaneb | inc0: o/ | 16:26 |
| inc0 | o/ I've read through your mail about upgrades of overcloud | 16:27 |
| inc0 | probably I'll be able to help you with this in L - I'm kinda involved in openstack upgrades thing | 16:27 |
| zaneb | ok, cool | 16:27 |
| inc0 | I'm concerned if this isn't a bit too simplistic approach | 16:28 |
| zaneb | btw we've decided not to try to drive through the ResourceGroup -> AutoscalingGroup change right now | 16:28 |
| inc0 | just softwareconfig? | 16:28 |
| inc0 | well...making ASG as core for upgrades seems...counterintuitive | 16:29 |
| zaneb | so maybe we need to distinguish between updates & upgrades here | 16:29 |
| zaneb | the thread was only about (package) updates | 16:29 |
| zaneb | not about e.g. Juno->Kilo or Kilo->Liberty upgrades | 16:29 |
| inc0 | yeah, but whole release upgrade will use it | 16:29 |
| inc0 | yeah, I'm concerned about releases | 16:29 |
| zaneb | yeah, that will be a much more complex process | 16:30 |
| inc0 | yeah, (just to keep kombo going) release upgrade will be harder, but might consist this package upgrade | 16:31 |
| inc0 | if we consider kolla container as a package...of sort | 16:31 |
| zaneb | a full release upgrade will probably involve replacing disk images | 16:32 |
| inc0 | that might not be possible | 16:32 |
| inc0 | if we'll want rolling upgrade to happen | 16:32 |
| zaneb | as well as db migrations and all sorts of other fun stuff | 16:32 |
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| inc0 | yup | 16:32 |
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| inc0 | removing stuff from compute which we want to work on, shut down controller services we want to upgrade and so on | 16:33 |
| zaneb | there's no particular reason I'm aware of that we couldn't do an image replacement in a rolling fashion | 16:34 |
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| zaneb | though there may be one | 16:34 |
| inc0 | when for some reason we can't turn off compute | 16:34 |
| zaneb | it's not a subject I have looked into deeply yet | 16:34 |
| inc0 | for example because stuff on it is too important to turn off, and we can't perform live migrate for some reason | 16:35 |
| zaneb | we can evacuate compute hosts | 16:35 |
| inc0 | not without vm downtime | 16:35 |
| inc0 | I'm thinking pets here - something we can't freely kill | 16:35 |
| zaneb | is there no way to live migrate? | 16:36 |
| inc0 | there can be | 16:36 |
| inc0 | no shared storage, heavy memory usage | 16:36 |
| inc0 | not enough network bandwith | 16:36 |
| inc0 | LM is kinda expensive to maintain | 16:37 |
| inc0 | can be at least | 16:37 |
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| inc0 | also I don't think cinder allows you to live migrate your volume | 16:38 |
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| inc0 | so for example if you're public cloud vendor and you can't just disconnect someones volume...you're kinda screwed | 16:39 |
| inc0 | (not as screwed as if your host accidently blow up, but screwed nonetheless) | 16:39 |
| zaneb | zero-downtime, avoiding live migration and applying updates are mutually incompatible. you can have at most 2 out of 3 | 16:42 |
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| inc0 | well, true, but still having just image replace scenerio isn't very convenient | 16:44 |
| inc0 | good approach to upgrade would be for example per-service upgrade | 16:44 |
| inc0 | first nova, then keystone and so on | 16:45 |
| inc0 | image replace wouldn't allow that approach | 16:45 |
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| inc0 | anyway, food for thought;) I'll try to draft few proposals and we could discuss this topic in Vancouver | 16:46 |
| zaneb | sure, I'll be trying to hit more of the tripleo sessions this time | 16:47 |
| inc0 | I'll try to bring few people from ops side to the table as well - upgrading stuff isn't new | 16:48 |
| inc0 | thanks, talk to you later | 16:48 |
| inc0 | cyas | 16:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jason Dunsmore proposed openstack/heat: Add ability to filter stacks by tag https://review.openstack.org/160537 | 17:00 |
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| sirushti | Hi zaneb, if you've got some time, could you take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159774/, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159444/, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167324/ | 17:05 |
| zaneb | sirushti: yeah, they're on my list but review time is a bit tight at the moment | 17:07 |
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| sirushti | zaneb, sure. Also, I have a question related to check-workflow. Shouldn't we check if the stack is complete in a delete traversal in convergence-check-workflow? The POC code suggests that we only do it for the forward traversal | 17:08 |
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| zaneb | sirushti: sorry, lots of context to reload here ;) can you point at the part of the code you're referring to? | 17:11 |
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| sirushti | zaneb, heh :) here you go -> https://github.com/zaneb/heat-convergence-prototype/blob/master/converge/converger.py#L112-L114 | 17:12 |
| zaneb | ah, gotcha :) | 17:12 |
| zaneb | in the simulator I made the decision to move the state to COMPLETE as soon as all of the new stuff is operable, and not wait for the clean-up | 17:13 |
| zaneb | I still have mixed feelings about this | 17:13 |
| zaneb | because it's a change in existing behaviour | 17:14 |
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| sirushti | zaneb, hmmm, so we really need a way of setting DELETE_COMPLETE | 17:15 |
| zaneb | https://github.com/zaneb/heat-convergence-prototype/commit/d2be14d2f711ece927cbf0f9382d744a3e881d4c | 17:16 |
| zaneb | sirushti: yes, you're right. so at a minimum we need to add something similar to indicate when the clean-up is complete | 17:16 |
| zaneb | and arguably that should be the only thing we have. that part is probably worth a mailing list discussion & a possible follow-up at Summit | 17:17 |
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| sirushti | zaneb, yeah, I was just wondering if we should've just done check_stack_complete for both traversals. This explains a lot. | 17:19 |
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| zaneb | sirushti: iirc my original plan was not to implement any state-changing stuff at all in the simulator, but then I had to to test some other features but I only did the minimum to get that to work, hence the stuff for the cleanup phase is missing | 17:22 |
| sirushti | zaneb, sure no problem, I'll take a look into figuring out the implications of ^setting-state-early more. Thanks a lot. | 17:28 |
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| zaneb | sirushti: thanks! | 17:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Randall Burt proposed openstack/heat: Add support for the httpsRedirect property https://review.openstack.org/173146 | 17:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed openstack/heat: Make SoftwareDeployments work for non-CREATE actions https://review.openstack.org/173446 | 18:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Randall Burt proposed openstack/heat: Add support for the httpsRedirect property https://review.openstack.org/173146 | 19:22 |
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| dyasny | morning all. Can anyone please provide an estimate on how hard it would be to use standalone heat as an orchestration engine for a non-openstack platform? I'm especially troubled by the ceilometer connection, how hardwired are those? | 19:36 |
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| zaneb | dyasny: moderately hard, but the ceilometer connection is actually the easiest bit | 20:01 |
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| dyasny | zaneb, I'm just starting out, getting a VM set up for an initial heat standalone setup | 20:04 |
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| dyasny | zaneb, if you have clues/ideas/links/whatever, that'll be a great help | 20:05 |
| zaneb | dyasny: you'll need custom resource types that talk to whatever your infra platform is (what is it) and a way to authenticate other than keystone | 20:06 |
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| zaneb | but the ceilometer autoscaling input is just a simple webhook | 20:07 |
| dyasny | zaneb, hmm, I wonder whether it'll be easier to just write my own parser to those stack yaml files | 20:07 |
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| dyasny | zaneb, it kinda makes sense to use a ready engine, like heat, but I prefer not to generate extra work for myself, this shouldn't be too complex | 20:08 |
| dyasny | the platform id oVirt | 20:08 |
| dyasny | s/id/is/ | 20:08 |
| zaneb | dyasny: then you're definitely going down the wrong path imho | 20:08 |
| dyasny | zaneb, what do you mean? | 20:08 |
| zaneb | dyasny: if you want something that is not too complex and doesn't generate extra work for yourself, using Heat as a front-end for oVirt is not it | 20:09 |
| dyasny | zaneb, not front end | 20:09 |
| dyasny | zaneb, a side engine that monitors ovirt via api and scales stacks as needed | 20:10 |
| dyasny | zaneb, I can script this using the ovirt SDK pretty easily, but heat is already there and it already has a nice template format and a parser. daemons are already done too. problem is, I don't know it deeply enough to figure out whether getting standalone heat to work with ovirt is worth the effort saved on not developing a template engine and stack load monitoring daemon | 20:13 |
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| shardy | zaneb, stevebaker: FYI I found an issue today debugging some DELETE only SoftwareDeployments | 21:02 |
| shardy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173446/1 | 21:02 |
| shardy | we'll need that fix for any UPDATE only SoftwareDeployments too, AFAICS | 21:03 |
| shardy | reviews would be great, slagle has confirmed the fix works for the TripleO templates which prompted the debugging | 21:04 |
| stevebaker | shardy: I'll take a look, thanks | 21:04 |
| shardy | stevebaker: cheers | 21:04 |
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| stevebaker | shardy: btw heat-cfntools needs a release for python 3 support. I could do it if you like | 21:05 |
| shardy | stevebaker: if you don't mind that'd be great, thanks, pretty near EOD here | 21:05 |
| shardy | stevebaker: is there a wiki with notes on how to tag releases somewhere? | 21:06 |
| shardy | then I can do it next time | 21:06 |
| stevebaker | not really, because most projects are automated, but it is simply: | 21:06 |
| stevebaker | git tag -s x.y.z | 21:07 |
| stevebaker | git push gerrit x.y.z | 21:07 |
| stevebaker | done. | 21:07 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: aha, that sounds simple enough, thanks :) | 21:07 |
| shardy | it'd dropped off my radar tbh, thanks for mentioning it | 21:07 |
| stevebaker | np | 21:08 |
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| slagle | shardy: can we get that fix applied to kilo as well? | 21:11 |
| shardy | slagle: yep, it should be a valid stable backport | 21:12 |
| zaneb | +1 | 21:12 |
| shardy | I'll propose it tomorrow, assuming the master patch lands and doesn't need rework | 21:12 |
| slagle | k, thanks | 21:13 |
| shardy | or someone else can do it and I'll review tomorrow, either works :) | 21:13 |
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