| vkmc | s/will/would s/an/a | 00:00 |
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| lifeless | But basically IMO we're optimising to having as large a group of associated-with, not for having a single good product | 00:00 |
| asalkeld | flwang: what i mean is "what good is it being the big tent if no one can rely on your service existing everywhere" | 00:00 |
| lifeless | its tied into the way we're scaling development out by making more teams and projects, rather than by fixing the actual problems within projects | 00:00 |
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| lifeless | Please don't read that as 'projects aren't getting better' - they are | 00:01 |
| lifeless | but not scaling-of-their-development-process | 00:01 |
| flwang | lifeless: i can see your point, i read it as 'we are creating more and more new projects/features instead of fixing existing problems' :) | 00:01 |
| lifeless | IMO: heat wants to move the event table to a separate service that is aimed at implementing websocket support and will also do long term persistence of messages - cool | 00:02 |
| lifeless | if the zaqar team say they have/want those features - then poll the existing deployed heat users | 00:03 |
| lifeless | ask them if they would stop ssasdasasasasaaaa | 00:03 |
| lifeless | bwaaaah sorry | 00:03 |
| flwang | lifeless: i would say it's a good summary, waiting for the confirmation from asalkeld and stevebaker:) | 00:03 |
| lifeless | ask the deployers if they would stop updating/deploying heat were heat to have a hard dependency on zaqar. | 00:04 |
| lifeless | point outthat the events table is already db transaction-per-message, so there is no scaling change | 00:04 |
| flwang | lifeless: why you believe zaqar is a 'hard' dependency? | 00:04 |
| lifeless | if its a soft dependency, then you haven't moved the table | 00:05 |
| flwang | lifeless: yep, migrate the events table to zaqar is a hard problem | 00:06 |
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| flwang | but it depends if heat team really want to drop the table, because I can see the same difficulty to migrate to any other ways | 00:06 |
| lifeless | if the goal is to also expose it in another place | 00:07 |
| lifeless | then my summary was incomplete/wrong :) | 00:07 |
| flwang | FWIW, thanks for the comments, lifeless. seems we definately need more discussion about this topic. thank a gain | 00:08 |
| flwang | lunch time, new zealanders | 00:08 |
| lifeless | yup, soon | 00:09 |
| asalkeld | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/user-notifications | 00:09 |
| vkmc | same here lifeless, its good to hear your POV | 00:09 |
| flwang | asalkeld: thanks for drafting the etherpad | 00:10 |
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| stevebaker | flwang: there are 2 other use cases for heat using zaqar | 00:22 |
| stevebaker | flwang: actually, me hungry, bbs | 00:23 |
| flwang | stevebaker: ttyl, i'm going to grab some foods soon :) | 00:23 |
| jamielennox | asalkeld: morning, are we able to lift the -2 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147391 yet? | 00:26 |
| asalkeld | done | 00:27 |
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| jamielennox | ta | 00:29 |
| lifeless | I'm neck deep in some tricky code | 00:35 |
| lifeless | I'll look at the etherpad properly in an hour or so | 00:35 |
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| elynn | morning | 01:26 |
| elynn | stevebaker, asalkeld Have time to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/174048/ | 01:27 |
| elynn | ? | 01:27 |
| asalkeld | looking, elynn lots of email catch up - I am getting there... | 01:27 |
| elynn | ;) | 01:27 |
| asalkeld | elynn: i think everything with kilo-rc-potential will get bulk merged | 01:30 |
| asalkeld | so don't worry | 01:30 |
| elynn | Do we have rc2 for kilo? | 01:32 |
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| asalkeld | elynn: i believe we will | 01:35 |
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| Qiming | morning | 01:41 |
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| ramishra | morning all | 01:49 |
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| elynn | Just saw your message last night... asalkeld , no I won't go to summit, although I wish I could. My company doesn't approve the budget for me to attend it. T_T | 01:56 |
| asalkeld | ok, sorry to hear that | 01:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Add OS::Mistral::CronTrigger resource https://review.openstack.org/149327 | 02:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Improve StackValidationFailed response in properties https://review.openstack.org/127150 | 03:54 |
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| slowe | Hi all, trying to understand the relationship between Heat and cloud-init (in Icehouse). Is the information at this URL (http://sdake.io/2013/03/03/how-we-use-cloudinit-in-openstack-heat/) still largely accurate for Icehouse? | 04:28 |
| asalkeld | brb, picking kids up | 04:37 |
| asalkeld | slowe: maybe stevebaker can help ? | 04:37 |
| stevebaker | slowe: more or less. For Juno or later this would be more useful http://docs.openstack.org/user-guide/content/user-data-boot-scripts-and-cloud-init.html | 04:50 |
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| slowe | Thanks, stevebaker. I'll review that article in a bit more depth. | 04:52 |
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| KanagarajM | good morning all ! | 05:51 |
| asalkeld | hi KanagarajM | 05:54 |
| asalkeld | KanagarajM: are you going to summit? | 05:54 |
| KanagarajM | asalkeld: hi | 05:54 |
| KanagarajM | asalkeld: yes. I am going to summit. How about you :) | 05:54 |
| asalkeld | for sure | 05:54 |
| KanagarajM | asalkeld: ok. will be happy moment to meet you :) | 05:59 |
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| asalkeld | KanagarajM: i just nominated you and MiguelGrinberg for core-reviewer party (they had some spaces free) | 05:59 |
| KanagarajM | asalkeld: sure. Thanks for nomination. | 06:00 |
| asalkeld | np | 06:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kanagaraj Manickam proposed openstack/heat-specs: Search Resource Type https://review.openstack.org/168662 | 06:24 |
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| skraynev | good morning | 06:32 |
| skraynev | honestly it was crazy morning :) rain + snow and + (+5) degrees C | 06:33 |
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| elynn | Sad story, You live in the southern hemisphere? | 06:35 |
| inc0 | hello | 06:48 |
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| Qiming | skraynev, so I should say "cool", ;) | 06:50 |
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| skraynev | Qiming: yeah. roads look like river with snow banks ;) | 06:52 |
| skraynev | elynn: no. it's just russia's climate :( | 06:53 |
| Qiming | skraynev, get your broom ready, :) | 06:54 |
| skraynev | Qiming: do you suggest to fly on broom or anything else? | 06:55 |
| Qiming | fly, definitely | 06:56 |
| skraynev | Qiming: ok. I just had experience to sweep puddles after rain (after that it dry faster) when learned in university :) some kind of summer help to university... | 06:58 |
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| Qiming | summer ... then "winter is coming", hoho | 07:00 |
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| skraynev | Qiming: :) | 07:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sergey Kraynev proposed openstack/heat: Enable SecurityGroups property for AWS LB resource https://review.openstack.org/173311 | 07:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Sergey Kraynev proposed openstack/heat: Add scenario test for AWS loadbalancer https://review.openstack.org/153192 | 07:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Anant Patil proposed openstack/heat-templates: Sample HOT template to create instance group. https://review.openstack.org/175295 | 08:15 |
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| bande | Anyone know how to output the private key of a HEAT KeyPair in the output section? I get nothing with value: { get_attr: [range_key, private_key] } | 08:16 |
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| ishant | bande: you need to set save_private_key property as true to get the value of private_key | 08:21 |
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| bande | ishant, already did that, same result, no output | 08:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Sirushti Murugesan proposed openstack/heat: Prevent false positives of *_FAILED status https://review.openstack.org/175161 | 08:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Sirushti Murugesan proposed openstack/heat: Don't assert against all the lb-members https://review.openstack.org/175162 | 08:33 |
| bande | I did use "True" and not "true" tho. Will change it and try it | 08:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Sirushti Murugesan proposed openstack/heat: Don't assert against all the lb-members https://review.openstack.org/175162 | 08:33 |
| ishant | bande: can you paste your template? | 08:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Kanagaraj Manickam proposed openstack/heat-specs: Keystone Resource plugin for Service and Endpoint https://review.openstack.org/168660 | 08:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Kanagaraj Manickam proposed openstack/heat-specs: Keystone Resource plugin for Service and Endpoint https://review.openstack.org/168660 | 08:35 |
| bande | ishant, I can but it is quite large and complex, involving several nested templates | 08:39 |
| bande | Ill try the "True" "true" change, if that dosent work ill try to get the template(s) online somewhere for you | 08:39 |
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| bande | ishant, I have some more information: The output section is trying to reference a attribute within a resource group like so: value: { get_attr: [range_instances, range_key.private_key] } | 09:02 |
| bande | This gives the following error: "output_error": "The Referenced Attribute (0 range_key.private_key) is incorrect." | 09:02 |
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| ishant | bande: I am not sure how you are using this. paste your template on http://paste.openstack.org/ | 09:16 |
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| therve | bande, I don't think range_key.private_key is a valid attribute specification | 09:20 |
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| therve | If you use a nested stack you need to output the private key in your nested template | 09:21 |
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| bande | Okay, will try that | 09:24 |
| bande | I will upload the templates for you to see as a last resort, as they are combined more than 750 lines | 09:24 |
| bande | in 4 files | 09:25 |
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| bande | Okay so, it seems there is a problem getting the key objects using get_attr on a resource group. Cant seem to reference it properly. I tried adding a output section to a sub-template but nothing shows up, its as if the output section in the sub-template is ignored. | 09:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kanagaraj Manickam proposed openstack/heat-specs: Enable or Disable a Heat-engine https://review.openstack.org/168659 | 09:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ethan Lynn proposed openstack/heat: Correct properties.Schema.NUMBER to INTEGER https://review.openstack.org/168986 | 09:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Adds --version into command docs https://review.openstack.org/170814 | 10:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ethan Lynn proposed openstack/heat-specs: Enhance property constraints https://review.openstack.org/173799 | 10:07 |
| bande | therve, solved it by following this: https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/56988/get-outputs-from-nested-stack/ | 10:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tetiana Lashchova proposed openstack/heat: Deny to migrate to lower schema version https://review.openstack.org/174899 | 11:04 |
| mattt | would anything have changed in kilo in the past week or two regarding the deferred_auth_method? | 11:05 |
| mattt | i've had that set to trusts for ages and my users have the correct role applied but suddenly i'm no longer able to create stacks | 11:06 |
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| shardy | mattt: the only change I can think of is we moved to making deferred_auth_method trusts by default about a month ago | 11:08 |
| shardy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122177/ | 11:08 |
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| shardy | since you're already using trusts, that shouldn't have broken anything ;) | 11:09 |
| mattt | shardy: the issue seems similar to https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/1436631, but i'm not actually sure what the fix here is | 11:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1436631 in devstack "heat standalone not setup correctly" [Undecided,Fix released] - Assigned to Angus Salkeld (asalkeld) | 11:09 |
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| shardy | mattt: also re roles, it's no longer required to create and assign a special role, you can just delegate all roles: | 11:10 |
| shardy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128509/ | 11:10 |
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| shardy | mattt: are you using heat in standalone mode? | 11:12 |
| shardy | that bug was a consequence of changing the default to trusts, which don't work in standalone mode | 11:12 |
| mattt | shardy: can you define standalone mode? | 11:13 |
| mattt | shardy: no, we are not using standalone | 11:14 |
| shardy | mattt: when you run a local heat against a remote cloud, without any heat admin service user | 11:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Tetiana Lashchova proposed openstack/heat: Add version for device_block_mapping_v2 https://review.openstack.org/175354 | 11:15 |
| mattt | shardy: looks like i'm actually running master heat, i'm going to build our stack w/ kilo specifically and see if issue persists | 11:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rakesh H S proposed openstack/python-heatclient: correction in function names under test_resource. https://review.openstack.org/175361 | 11:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Qiming Teng proposed openstack/heat: Split engine service test case https://review.openstack.org/164062 | 12:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Deny to migrate to lower schema version https://review.openstack.org/174899 | 12:57 |
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| mattt | shardy: so i'm on kilo rc1, and i'm hitting the same problem | 13:39 |
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| shardy | mattt: Ok, did anything else get updated when you updated heat? | 13:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Rakesh H S proposed openstack/python-heatclient: correction in function names under test_resource https://review.openstack.org/175361 | 13:42 |
| mattt | shardy: no, i'm pretty sure this all worked before stable/kilo was cut | 13:42 |
| mattt | shardy: i'm just double-checking that nothing else changed on our deployment side, but 99.9% sure it didn't | 13:43 |
| shardy | mattt: do you have any way to bisect, e.g so you can prove reverting heat fixes the issue? | 13:43 |
| shardy | mattt: obviously feel free to raise a bug, but atm it's not sounding like something we can reproduce, e.g on devstack | 13:44 |
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| shardy | otherwise our CI would be broken | 13:44 |
| mattt | shardy: sure, i'll dig more into it, thanks! | 13:44 |
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| mattt | shardy: found it, local configuration issue that snuck in! | 13:53 |
| shardy | mattt: phew! :) | 13:53 |
| shardy | glad you sorted it | 13:54 |
| * mattt table flips | 13:54 | |
| mattt | :P | 13:54 |
| mattt | thanks shardy | 13:54 |
| shardy | np | 13:54 |
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| pas-ha | morning all | 14:23 |
| openstackgerrit | noa proposed openstack/heat-specs: Spec for Add lock and unlock stack actions. https://review.openstack.org/171781 | 14:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | noa proposed openstack/heat-specs: Spec for Add lock and unlock stack actions. https://review.openstack.org/171781 | 14:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jason Dunsmore proposed openstack/heat: Encrypt Heat template hidden parameters https://review.openstack.org/97900 | 15:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tetiana Lashchova proposed openstack/heat: Implement OS::Manila::SecurityService resource type https://review.openstack.org/174475 | 15:57 |
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| shardy | d0ugal: Hi, we were discussing TripleO template debugging last week, I just posted this: | 16:23 |
| shardy | http://hardysteven.blogspot.co.uk/2015/04/debugging-tripleo-heat-templates.html | 16:23 |
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| shardy | it explains my workflow for debugging failing TripleO deployments, which also applies to any other big heat stacks using lots of nesting and SoftwareDeployments | 16:24 |
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| shardy | pas-ha: Hey, did you see my comment on bug #1444429? | 16:52 |
| openstack | bug 1444429 in heat "WaitConditionHandle creates stack user without a password" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1444429 | 16:52 |
| pas-ha | shardy, looking | 16:53 |
| shardy | pas-ha: I've not had time to test it, but AFAICT we should be using the same password we set in resource_data | 16:53 |
| shardy | pas-ha: was the bug observed or by code inspection? | 16:54 |
| pas-ha | looks so, but there was a report in ML about that, i linked to it in bug description | 16:54 |
| pas-ha | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack/2015-April/012289.html | 16:54 |
| shardy | pas-ha: what are the requirements though? | 16:54 |
| shardy | e.g there may be some other test we're failing, like not having a mix of upper and lower case or something | 16:55 |
| pas-ha | shardy, it seems the keystone backend was not happy with the autogenerated password. may be the length was not enough. probably we have to consider adding that as a config option | 16:56 |
| pas-ha | or simply by chance the password was too easy (lots of repetitions) | 16:56 |
| * morganfainberg wasn't aware keystone had a min length / password complexity enforcement | 16:56 | |
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| shardy | morganfainberg: does keystone enforce any password strength rules when creating users? | 16:58 |
| morganfainberg | shardy, checking but i don't remember us ever having that code | 16:58 |
| morganfainberg | maybe... can't be 0 length? | 16:58 |
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| d0ugal | shardy: Thanks for the link - looks really useful. | 17:01 |
| morganfainberg | shardy, we have a MAX length | 17:01 |
| morganfainberg | not a min | 17:01 |
| morganfainberg | https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/keystone/common/utils.py#L94-L109 | 17:01 |
| morganfainberg | though a length of 0 is very likely to cause all sorts of broken behavior | 17:01 |
| morganfainberg | or if the password isn't something that can be hashed: https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/keystone/common/utils.py#L130 | 17:03 |
| morganfainberg | e.g. utf8 characters are probably going to break in bad ways | 17:03 |
| shardy | morganfainberg: in this case, we always create a random password via uuid.uuid4().hex | 17:03 |
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| shardy | so, 32 pretty standard characters | 17:03 |
| morganfainberg | i'd like to see the keystone log where it fails | 17:04 |
| morganfainberg | but hex shouldn't cause issues with ~32 chars. | 17:04 |
| morganfainberg | unless... | 17:04 |
| morganfainberg | someone artificially set the password length low | 17:04 |
| shardy | Yeah it's odd, perhaps we need to ask the original reporter for more info | 17:04 |
| morganfainberg | and enabled "Strict checking" | 17:04 |
| shardy | morganfainberg: thanks for the info! :) | 17:05 |
| morganfainberg | 4096 is default max for password, and strict checking is false | 17:05 |
| morganfainberg | fwiw, it's because you *could* DOS keystone with password checks if we don't truncate | 17:05 |
| morganfainberg | or reject absurd passwords | 17:06 |
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| morganfainberg | not ebcause we can't store it | 17:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tetiana Lashchova proposed openstack/heat: Use six.itervalues(x) instead of x.values() https://review.openstack.org/175505 | 17:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rob Pothier proposed openstack/heat-specs: Add Magnum resources https://review.openstack.org/175550 | 19:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sirushti Murugesan proposed openstack/heat: WIP: Initial stab at py34 support https://review.openstack.org/175565 | 20:28 |
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| asalkeld | morning | 21:23 |
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| stevebaker | morning | 21:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Add ability to filter stacks by tag https://review.openstack.org/160537 | 22:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed openstack/heat: Cancel nested stack updates when appropriate https://review.openstack.org/175606 | 23:13 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: this review ^ I just added you to is a particularly tricky bug with the nested stack RPC | 23:14 |
| asalkeld | ok | 23:15 |
| zaneb | would be interested in your thoughts | 23:15 |
| zaneb | ideally we'd be able to control whether rollback happens or not, but that would require an RPC API change... not sure what our policy is on that for kilo-rc2? | 23:16 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb: surely if it is to fix a bug that would be allowed | 23:27 |
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| asalkeld | zaneb: one suggestion there | 23:55 |
| asalkeld | nice to have a test, but the test is probably going to be timing sensitive | 23:56 |
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