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| openstackgerrit | Rabi Mishra proposed openstack/heat: Use own network 'heat-net' for integration_tests https://review.openstack.org/185400 | 01:08 |
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| stevebaker | ramishra: higgins | 01:31 |
| stevebaker | ramishra: hi | 01:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed openstack/heat: Run functional tests when no ceilometer endpoint https://review.openstack.org/185480 | 01:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rabi Mishra proposed openstack/heat: Use own network 'heat-net' for integration_tests https://review.openstack.org/185400 | 02:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rabi Mishra proposed openstack/heat: Use own network 'heat-net' for integration_tests https://review.openstack.org/185400 | 03:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rabi Mishra proposed openstack/heat: Use own network 'heat-net' for integration_tests https://review.openstack.org/185400 | 05:24 |
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| inc0 | good morning | 05:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thomas Herve proposed openstack/heat: Use Zaqar for software-config transport https://review.openstack.org/185093 | 06:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Thomas Herve proposed openstack/heat: Move zaqar client into main tree https://review.openstack.org/185507 | 06:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thomas Herve proposed openstack/heat: Provide a signal URL attribute for alarms https://review.openstack.org/87111 | 06:23 |
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| inc0 | asalkeld, could you please point me to this "one rpc call convergence does"? One that zaneb suggested? | 07:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kairat Kushaev proposed openstack/heat: Delete deprecated old-style client access https://review.openstack.org/185049 | 07:25 |
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| pas-ha | morning all | 07:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thomas Herve proposed openstack/heat: Provide a signal URL attribute for alarms https://review.openstack.org/87111 | 07:44 |
| inc0 | morning pas-ha , maybe you could help me | 07:48 |
| inc0 | I'm looking for this RPC call zaneb mentioned - only rpc call convergence has currently | 07:48 |
| inc0 | to make it versioned, could you please point me to this call? I have problem finding it myself | 07:48 |
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| inc0 | (I should pay more attention to convergence...) | 07:48 |
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| inc0 | shardy, did you move this topic forward? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179394/ | 08:21 |
| inc0 | just stumbled upon this review and it seems fairly important one to me:) | 08:22 |
| shardy | inc0: hi! Yeah that's one of many reviews I'm planning to revisit today.. | 08:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed openstack/heat-specs: Conditionally expose resources based on services https://review.openstack.org/185123 | 08:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed openstack/heat-specs: Conditionally expose resources based on roles https://review.openstack.org/185528 | 08:23 |
| inc0 | I can't remember if we moved this on summit...having random defaults might actually be nice improvement to templates | 08:23 |
| shardy | inc0: Yeah, I remember we discussed it, e.g having a random string intrinsic function | 08:25 |
| inc0 | do we have/want spec for that? | 08:27 |
| shardy | inc0: I don't see it captured in the https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-heat-contributor-meetup aggregated actions, but I've added it to my todo list | 08:27 |
| shardy | inc0: yeah I think we do, I can raise one, unless you're keen to pick it up? | 08:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed openstack/heat-specs: Conditionally expose resources based on roles https://review.openstack.org/185528 | 08:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed openstack/heat-specs: Conditionally expose resources based on services https://review.openstack.org/185123 | 08:28 |
| inc0 | I can take it on - it doesn't seem too hard anyway | 08:28 |
| inc0 | and this "unset" password scaries me;) | 08:28 |
| shardy | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-heat-liberty-template-format | 08:29 |
| shardy | inc0: Ok, great, thanks! | 08:29 |
| shardy | it's mentioned briefly in there, so maybe link that from the spec | 08:29 |
| inc0 | I'll get to writing the spec then | 08:33 |
| shardy | inc0: sounds good, thanks, pls add me to the review when you post it :) | 08:33 |
| inc0 | rgr | 08:33 |
| sirushti | inc0, here's that one RPC cast convergence makes currently -> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167324/4/heat/engine/worker.py | 08:34 |
| sirushti | see `def check_resource` | 08:35 |
| inc0 | sirushti, thanks a lot! | 08:35 |
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| sirushti | inc0, np | 08:35 |
| inc0 | I was digging through main tree, thats why I couldn't find it | 08:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed openstack/heat-specs: Conditionally expose resources based on roles https://review.openstack.org/185528 | 08:52 |
| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed openstack/heat-specs: Conditionally expose resources based on services https://review.openstack.org/185123 | 08:52 |
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| therve | shardy, I have a question around https://review.openstack.org/87111 when you have 5 mins | 09:12 |
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| shardy | therve: hi, sure | 09:22 |
| therve | shardy, So I pushed the work to create the trust in ceilo | 09:23 |
| therve | My question is whether we should just expose the url http://heat-url/xxx/signal | 09:23 |
| therve | Or the more ceilo specific trust+http://heat-url/xxx/signal | 09:23 |
| therve | I did the former for now in the patch | 09:24 |
| shardy | therve: I'd say just the URL, as it's not really up to heat how ceilometer gets the token to call the API | 09:25 |
| shardy | e.g the fact that ceilometer is creating a trust is a ceilometer implementation detail? | 09:25 |
| therve | Well, you need to tell him to create the trust though | 09:25 |
| therve | By using the trust+http scheme | 09:25 |
| therve | It's fairly easy to build that URL in a template, though | 09:26 |
| therve | I probably just need a good example once it's available | 09:26 |
| shardy | therve: Yeah, I guess we don't want that encoded in the signal_responder base-class though do we? | 09:26 |
| therve | shardy, That's what I tought yeah, just wanted to confirm | 09:27 |
| therve | I could add a trust url attribute which is just "trust+%s" % signal-url | 09:27 |
| shardy | therve: Yeah, I think we're in agreement :) | 09:27 |
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| shardy | It's a little odd that we're passing our endpoint to another service (which should, in theory, just look it up in the service catalog) | 09:28 |
| shardy | but I get that may be the easiest approach given the current ceilometer interfaces etc | 09:29 |
| therve | Hum, yeah | 09:29 |
| therve | I guess it's nice for heat standalone | 09:30 |
| therve | We could think about a nicer interface in the future | 09:30 |
| shardy | therve: Yeah, I guess it's fine, it just looks slightly odd | 09:30 |
| shardy | overall I'm +2 on the approach now ceilometer is creating the trust | 09:30 |
| shardy | therve: thanks for reviving this :) | 09:31 |
| therve | No problem :) | 09:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tetiana Lashchova proposed openstack/heat: Remove deprecated nova_utils https://review.openstack.org/185038 | 10:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Run functional tests when no ceilometer endpoint https://review.openstack.org/185480 | 10:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Add note that OS::project_id is available since Kilo https://review.openstack.org/184980 | 11:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thomas Herve proposed openstack/heat: Provide a signal URL attribute for alarms https://review.openstack.org/87111 | 11:54 |
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| therve | LimorStotland, Hi! | 12:12 |
| LimorStotland | Hi LimorStotland | 12:13 |
| therve | LimorStotland, So re https://review.openstack.org/87111 | 12:13 |
| therve | Why do you think it should be _get_alarm_url? | 12:14 |
| therve | There is no such thing | 12:14 |
| LimorStotland | i know there isn't.... i just find it confusing when i read the code | 12:16 |
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| therve | OK... But it has nothing to do with my patch | 12:16 |
| LimorStotland | but i am new so i meat be wrong.... | 12:16 |
| therve | Yeah | 12:17 |
| therve | ALARM_URL is how it's exposed as an attribute | 12:17 |
| LimorStotland | but now we have _get_signed_url and _get_signal_ur | 12:17 |
| therve | signed_url is the internal property | 12:17 |
| LimorStotland | so it's more confusing.... | 12:17 |
| therve | Sure | 12:17 |
| therve | OK, sorry it's confusing, but that's how it is | 12:17 |
| LimorStotland | Ok... i tried making the world better place :-) i will change it to +1 | 12:18 |
| therve | Also in general, please don't put a -1 when asking a question | 12:18 |
| LimorStotland | done, sorry about it :-) | 12:20 |
| therve | No worries | 12:21 |
| therve | At least for my reviews I'll answer if you just put a comment with a 0 vote | 12:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thomas Herve proposed openstack/heat: Support snapshot deletion policy in Server https://review.openstack.org/185582 | 12:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thomas Spatzier proposed openstack/heat: Rename OS::Heat::SoftwareDeployments https://review.openstack.org/185589 | 13:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Thomas Spatzier proposed openstack/heat: Rename OS::Heat::StructuredDeployments https://review.openstack.org/185590 | 13:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Daniel Gonzalez Nothnagel proposed openstack/heat-specs: Add a scenario test for Multi-Region Orchestration https://review.openstack.org/185598 | 13:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat: Add additional info for DEPRECATED objects https://review.openstack.org/168868 | 14:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Rename OS::Heat::SoftwareDeployments https://review.openstack.org/185589 | 15:39 |
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| jdandrea | I trust everyone had a safe trip home and is either recovered or recovering. Vancouver was fun times. | 16:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rabi Mishra proposed openstack/heat: Use own network 'heat-net' for integration_tests https://review.openstack.org/185400 | 16:45 |
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| therve | miguelgrinberg, Hey around? Wondered if you had time to chat about that ceilo patch | 17:03 |
| miguelgrinberg | therve: hey, I'm actually responding to you on the patch | 17:04 |
| therve | Ah cool, thanks | 17:04 |
| therve | Don't hesitate if you have questions to ask them here | 17:04 |
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| miguelgrinberg | therve: one thing that I think that patch needs is deletion of the trusts, they are going to be left over when the alarm is gone, correct? | 17:05 |
| therve | miguelgrinberg, Yeah I thought about that | 17:05 |
| therve | That's unfortunate indeed | 17:05 |
| miguelgrinberg | I was looking at the implementation in keystone, the trusts will stay in the db if they are not deleted | 17:05 |
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| therve | It will make things a tad harder, but it's doable | 17:06 |
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| therve | I guess the issue is whether I support pre-filled trust_id or not | 17:07 |
| miguelgrinberg | right, you'll have to know if the trust is internally generated or external | 17:07 |
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| therve | miguelgrinberg, What do you think? | 17:09 |
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| miguelgrinberg | therve: my opinion is that they are a leak if they don't get deleted. Sounds somewhat painful to do it, but I think we have to. | 17:10 |
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| miguelgrinberg | maybe carry the trust id along with the alarm, but only when the trust is generated by Ceilo? | 17:10 |
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| miguelgrinberg | I mean keep it in a alarm field, separate from the URL | 17:11 |
| therve | Ideally I'd do that, but there is not really a way to carry custom data in alarms | 17:11 |
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| therve | miguelgrinberg, I guess first the question is whether you really think storing the id is an issue in the first place | 17:13 |
| therve | Otherwise there is no point in having the discussion :) | 17:13 |
| miguelgrinberg | therve: well, if you ask me, the whole idea of Ceilo getting a trust without the user's consent makes me nervous, but that's just me :-) | 17:14 |
| miguelgrinberg | it seems you and shardy discussed this approach long ago, right? | 17:15 |
| therve | miguelgrinberg, It's not without the user consent really. He asks for a trust URL | 17:15 |
| therve | It's basically the same thing as heat does | 17:15 |
| miguelgrinberg | therve: okay, so maybe I'm not understanding this right. My impression is that the ceilometer service user requests the trust, passing the user's token as auth. | 17:16 |
| therve | Right | 17:16 |
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| therve | Like what heat does when it creates a trust | 17:16 |
| miguelgrinberg | yes, same as heat. | 17:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Rename OS::Heat::StructuredDeployments https://review.openstack.org/185590 | 17:18 |
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| miguelgrinberg | therve: it's unfortunate that there is no way to restrict the scope of the trust to one endpoint, that would make trusts much safer | 17:19 |
| shardy | Yeah, it's the exact same pattern heat currently uses, so ceilometer should create the trust and handle deleting it too | 17:19 |
| therve | miguelgrinberg, Sure. It's turning into a philosophical discussion though :) | 17:19 |
| shardy | I agree in future handling a user-created trust would be nice, but AFAIK there's no user interfaces to trusts, or at least there wasn't last time I looked | 17:20 |
| miguelgrinberg | therve: you asked how I felt, and I told you :) | 17:20 |
| shardy | also that would probably require the user to know internals from the service provider, such as the ID of the heat/ceilometer trustee user | 17:20 |
| shardy | I also agree endpoint scoped trusts would be an excellent enhancement | 17:21 |
| therve | miguelgrinberg, Okay. Well if you're against the whole approach, I'm afraid I'll go ahead and fix as appropriate. | 17:21 |
| therve | I still think it's better than the signed url approach using crappy cfn endpoint | 17:21 |
| miguelgrinberg | therve: I'm okay with the approach, deleting the trusts is a must though | 17:21 |
| miguelgrinberg | therve: agreed | 17:21 |
| therve | Well you were not talking about deletion there :) | 17:21 |
| therve | I agree we should delete them | 17:22 |
| miguelgrinberg | therve: I pushed an update to the patch, I left the -1, but just for the deletion, for the other comments I made I'm fine, it's really not your fault or anyone's, the trust feature from keystone should improve to allow us to build something more secure | 17:23 |
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| therve | miguelgrinberg, Thanks | 17:28 |
| miguelgrinberg | therve: I'm planning to generalize the use of signals, BTW, that's why I found this proposal interesting. Feel free to look at my proposed spec and let me know what you think: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/180387/ | 17:30 |
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| therve | miguelgrinberg, Not sure how you'll make things work with swift temp urls. Any implementation detail on that? | 17:35 |
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| miguelgrinberg | therve: I was planning to generalize the software config support for swift URLs | 17:37 |
| miguelgrinberg | to make it available to other resources as well | 17:37 |
| therve | miguelgrinberg, Doesn't that rely on polling for the servers? | 17:37 |
| therve | Actually I don't remember what does the polling | 17:37 |
| miguelgrinberg | there is a bg thread that polls the swift API if I remember correctly, haven't looked at that code in a while | 17:38 |
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| therve | Urg I need to care about update too | 18:07 |
| therve | Why can't anything be simple | 18:07 |
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| stevebaker | therve: it looks like we still use oslo-incubator policy https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1458945 | 22:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1458945 in Trove "Use graduated oslo.policy instead of oslo-incubator code" [Undecided,New] | 22:27 |
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