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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Reusable empty template https://review.openstack.org/191666 | 03:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Reusable empty template https://review.openstack.org/191666 | 03:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Added tests for checking of handling AssertionErrors https://review.openstack.org/192175 | 03:41 |
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| inc0 | hello guys | 06:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kanagaraj Manickam proposed openstack/heat: Make sure default_client_name declared for required resources https://review.openstack.org/191097 | 06:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Kanagaraj Manickam proposed openstack/heat: List resource_type based on availability https://review.openstack.org/191096 | 06:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Kanagaraj Manickam proposed openstack/heat: Adds service_types to client_plugins https://review.openstack.org/192529 | 06:53 |
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| inc0 | Qiming, you around? | 06:58 |
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| Qiming | yes | 06:59 |
| inc0 | tell me please, does autohealing of resources fit into Senlin mission? | 07:00 |
| Qiming | yes | 07:00 |
| Qiming | it is referred to as health policy, that can be attached to a cluster | 07:01 |
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| Qiming | similar to scaling policy, we will model triggers and actions for health maintenance | 07:02 |
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| Qiming | where triggers could be Nova VM lifecycle events, and actions is user specified sequence of actions that will be tried one by one, e.g. [reboot, rebuild, recreate] | 07:02 |
| inc0 | can you do some conditionals out there? if nova service-list | grep host-vm-is-on is down -> nova evacuate, else nova reboot? | 07:03 |
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| Qiming | sure, it could be a HealthPolicyInc0, a plugin | 07:04 |
| Qiming | the idea is to provide some prebuilt policies for users to use, but you can always develop some new policies for use | 07:06 |
| inc0 | and on which basis you decide that there is action to be done? some webhook like autoscalling stuff? | 07:07 |
| Qiming | for health policy, the conditionals section will tell senlin when a recovery action is supposed to be taken | 07:09 |
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| Qiming | current options in mind: 1) listen to nova VM lifecycle events; 2) poll each node (servers) manually; 3) check the load-balancer if there is one because LB is maintaining a health records for all nodes | 07:10 |
| Qiming | haven't considered a webhook for this case yet, TBH, but it could be possible | 07:11 |
| inc0 | yeah, especially if we'd like something really sophiscicated, like employing pacemaker as source of host info, and translate host info inside health policy to action to be done | 07:12 |
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| inc0 | I'll play around Senlin if you don't mind, seems like something I've been looking for | 07:12 |
| Qiming | you mean pacemaker-remote? | 07:13 |
| inc0 | for example | 07:13 |
| Qiming | how about pacemaker completely at guest level? | 07:13 |
| Qiming | what you really want to protect is your app or service, not the VM or host | 07:13 |
| inc0 | will require guests to install something, and we want guests to just tick "take care about this machine" button | 07:14 |
| Qiming | so long you trust those ticks, no problem | 07:14 |
| inc0 | thats up to guests, but there will be some measure of improvement from our side | 07:14 |
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| Qiming | I believe so | 07:14 |
| inc0 | nothing is ever 100% safe | 07:15 |
| inc0 | but with series of small steps we can achieve 99.999% | 07:15 |
| Qiming | yep, but linux-ha is the most mature solution afaict | 07:15 |
| Qiming | that's an achievement! | 07:16 |
| inc0 | goal to look forward to;) | 07:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Add apache2 support for heat API services https://review.openstack.org/190687 | 08:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Remove identical modules versions.py https://review.openstack.org/188032 | 08:00 |
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| huangtianhua | hope review about the two backport: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179693/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179692/ | 09:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Use pbr new autodoc feature https://review.openstack.org/180122 | 09:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Coverage: Additional test coverage for engine event https://review.openstack.org/192546 | 10:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kairat Kushaev proposed openstack/heat: Implement create-delete-check for Manila::Share https://review.openstack.org/171806 | 10:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Move gnocchi resource in-tree https://review.openstack.org/187798 | 10:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kanagaraj Manickam proposed openstack/heat: Conditionally expose resources based on available services https://review.openstack.org/191034 | 10:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Kanagaraj Manickam proposed openstack/heat: Make sure default_client_name declared for required resources https://review.openstack.org/191097 | 10:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Kanagaraj Manickam proposed openstack/heat: List resource_type based on availability https://review.openstack.org/191096 | 10:57 |
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| Qiming | shardy, got a minute? | 11:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed openstack/heat: Produce more meaningful exception messages in nested stacks https://review.openstack.org/188228 | 11:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Kanagaraj Manickam proposed openstack/heat: Make requirements.txt python clients in ascending order https://review.openstack.org/193082 | 11:41 |
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| shardy | Qiming: Hi! | 12:08 |
| shardy | Qiming: sorry, was just grabbing lunch :) | 12:09 |
| Qiming | hi, shardy, back from lunch? | 12:09 |
| shardy | Qiming: yup :) | 12:09 |
| Qiming | shardy, need your help on this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188411/ | 12:09 |
| Qiming | basically, I was following your suggestions to refactor the patch | 12:09 |
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| Qiming | I just encountered several stack keys I'm not sure whether they can be used for filtering | 12:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed openstack/heat: Produce more meaningful exception messages in nested stacks https://review.openstack.org/188228 | 12:11 |
| asalkeld_ | g'night ... | 12:11 |
| shardy | Qiming: Ok, which keys? | 12:11 |
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| shardy | Qiming: as a first step, I think raising an error if the key isn't handled is OK | 12:11 |
| shardy | IMO raising an error is better than silently ignoring unknown keys | 12:12 |
| Qiming | shardy, please help check the revised stack controller code | 12:12 |
| Qiming | well, I think I heard a different story somewhere | 12:12 |
| Qiming | if you provide a filter that cannot be parsed by a service, it will be silently ignored | 12:13 |
| shardy | Qiming: Ok, maybe we need to consult folks from the API-WG about the most consistent behavior | 12:14 |
| Qiming | in this particular case, maybe 'tags' should not be supported? and also some of the STACK_KEYS ? | 12:14 |
| shardy | personally, I find it very annoying if a minor typo means my filter gets ignored silently ;) | 12:14 |
| Qiming | shardy, I'll consult guys there | 12:14 |
| Qiming | ah, that makes sense too | 12:14 |
| shardy | ryansb may be able to help, I'll add him to the review | 12:14 |
| Qiming | cool | 12:15 |
| Qiming | basically, in the revised patch, I'm filtering out some keys not suitable for filtering, please help check if this is reasonable | 12:15 |
| shardy | Also, re filtering on time, e.g created_at/updated_at/deleted_at - I think long term it will be much better if we support those as markers, e.g greater-than/less-than | 12:16 |
| shardy | as an exact match on a timestamp isn't all that useful | 12:16 |
| Qiming | agreed | 12:16 |
| shardy | again, we probably need guidance from the API-WG about the most appropriate query string to enable that | 12:16 |
| shardy | obviously we don't have to fix that in this patch, maybe we just exclude timestamps for now as unsupported | 12:17 |
| Qiming | e.g. 'gt', 'lt', operators? | 12:17 |
| shardy | I don't think even exact match works with the current code anyway | 12:17 |
| shardy | Qiming: yep | 12:17 |
| Qiming | okay, will check this with ryan as well | 12:17 |
| Qiming | other than the timestamps, are you okay with the rest of the 'unsupported' keys? | 12:18 |
| shardy | I don't see a filters doc in https://github.com/openstack/api-wg/tree/master/guidelines | 12:18 |
| shardy | maybe there's one under review, not checked recently | 12:18 |
| ryansb | shardy: it's under review | 12:18 |
| ryansb | 1 sec, I'll pull the linr | 12:19 |
| ryansb | *link | 12:19 |
| Qiming | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177468/ | 12:19 |
| ryansb | thanks | 12:20 |
| Qiming | oh, my, filter parameters are prefixed with "f_" ... | 12:20 |
| ryansb | yeah, to avoid name conflicts | 12:21 |
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| Qiming | emm, sounds like a TODO for V2 API | 12:22 |
| ryansb | I don't know about our guidance on bad filter names -- I'd imagine 400 Bad Request would be the way to go | 12:22 |
| Qiming | 400 makes sense to me | 12:23 |
| shardy | Qiming: overall it looks good, thanks for doing the refactor, IMO it looks much better now :) | 12:23 |
| ryansb | yeah, we have a spec for v2 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184863/ | 12:23 |
| shardy | Qiming: one key we have to be careful of is stack_status | 12:23 |
| Qiming | it may contain action name ? | 12:24 |
| shardy | We expose stack_action and stack_status, but in heatclient we display <ACTION>_<STATUS> | 12:24 |
| ryansb | can you link me to your review, Qiming? | 12:24 |
| Qiming | ryansb, yes | 12:24 |
| shardy | mostly for historical reasons, but it'd be good to somehow handle that transparently, even if we do it in heatclient | 12:24 |
| Qiming | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188411/6 | 12:24 |
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| ryansb | shardy: Isn't it for "that's how CFN does it" reasons? | 12:25 |
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| shardy | ryansb: Hey, yeah pretty much that ;) | 12:25 |
| Qiming | okay, shardy, will try a not-so-smart check on the status field | 12:25 |
| shardy | https://github.com/openstack/python-heatclient/blob/master/heatclient/v1/stacks.py#L77 | 12:26 |
| ryansb | just making sure my facts were straight | 12:26 |
| shardy | Qiming: we can probably just do it in heatclient since that's where we join them | 12:26 |
| shardy | then for anyone consuming the API directly, it's consistent, and we have flexibility to demangle things in heatclient when needed | 12:26 |
| shardy | e.g if we get someone pass -f "stack_status=CREATE_COMPLETE" we internally split that into action/status in heatclient | 12:27 |
| shardy | so probably not something to worry about in your patch, just to be aware of | 12:27 |
| Qiming | so we are assuming that a user will provide an string with an understore | 12:27 |
| Qiming | okay | 12:27 |
| ryansb | at least that they might | 12:27 |
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| shardy | Qiming: well we can probably detect there's a prefix before ("COMPLETE", "FAILED", "IN_PROGRESS) and remove/split it | 12:28 |
| ryansb | ^that | 12:28 |
| Qiming | okay, sounds a plan | 12:29 |
| shardy | Qiming: cool, I'll review properly later, but overall lgtm - thanks! | 12:29 |
| Qiming | thanks for your time, shardy, ryansb | 12:29 |
| ryansb | np, I'll review that patch today | 12:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sirushti Murugesan proposed openstack/heat-specs: Add a spec for in tree upgrade tests https://review.openstack.org/190641 | 12:58 |
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| sirushti | shardy, skraynev when you guys find time, could you take a look at^, we now have grenade running in-tree successfully now | 13:00 |
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| skraynev | sirushti: ok. but I can do it only later. (on the next week) :( | 13:01 |
| sirushti | that's the spec, here's the patch -> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188148/ | 13:01 |
| shardy | sirushti: awesome, thanks - will check it out later :) | 13:02 |
| sirushti | skraynev, sure, no problem. | 13:03 |
| sirushti | shardy, thanks :) | 13:04 |
| skraynev | sirushti: but agree shardy - good work. thank you :) | 13:05 |
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| sirushti | actually, thanks to you skraynev for reviewing those project-config patches for grenade :) That helped | 13:06 |
| skraynev | sirushti: I glad, that this big thing so close to the finish :) It will be really new feedback for us, when all patches be merged :) | 13:09 |
| sirushti | skraynev, indeed :) | 13:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Make requirements.txt python clients in ascending order https://review.openstack.org/193082 | 13:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rob Pothier proposed openstack/heat: Move Magnum client into main tree https://review.openstack.org/187695 | 13:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Removes is_available() from manila client plugin https://review.openstack.org/193033 | 13:44 |
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| jdandrea | Per https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1461720 Brian would like to move the HOT Guide into the dev repo. Does anyone hav a preference for where to put it? Current proposal is to create a directory in https://github.com/openstack/heat/tree/master/doc/source | 14:19 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1461720 in openstack-manuals "[user-guide] Move Hot Guide to heat dev repo" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Brian Moss (bmoss) | 14:19 |
| jdandrea | If there are no objections, I'll have Brian move hot-guide under the aforementioned source directory. | 14:22 |
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| dmgweb | hello | 14:49 |
| dmgweb | what is CircularDependencyException? | 14:50 |
| dmgweb | http://pastebin.com/bprb7W1K | 14:50 |
| dmgweb | any idea? | 14:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rob Pothier proposed openstack/heat: Add BayModel to Magnum resources https://review.openstack.org/179771 | 14:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rob Pothier proposed openstack/heat: Move Magnum client into main tree https://review.openstack.org/187695 | 15:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Rob Pothier proposed openstack/heat: Add BayModel to Magnum resources https://review.openstack.org/179771 | 15:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Rob Pothier proposed openstack/heat: Add Bay to Magnum resources https://review.openstack.org/193174 | 15:26 |
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| larsks | Does Heat provide any mechanism for "following" stack events...e.g., a streaming api, or the ability to ask for "all events after evend id=NNNN", or something? | 15:36 |
| larsks | It looks like the answer is "no", but I wanted to be sure. | 15:37 |
| shardy | larsks: Sort of, you can filter by marker with the event API, which means you can ask for all events after NNNN | 15:38 |
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| shardy | larsks: there's no true MQ-like streaming capability yet though | 15:39 |
| dmgweb | https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/68628/remote-error-circulardependencyexception-heat/ any idea? | 15:39 |
| larsks | shardy: I see; I had missed the 'marker' parameter. That helps. | 15:40 |
| shardy | larsks: syntax for marker is heat event-list -m <id> | 15:40 |
| shardy | larsks: if you want to see some (ab)use of it in code, check out the python-heatclient shell.py code for "hook_poll" | 15:40 |
| shardy | I do some convoluted mangling of events there in order to poll for breakpoints | 15:40 |
| shardy | at some point soon I plan to improve the API to make that easier.. | 15:41 |
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| shardy | dmgweb: You have a circular dependency in your template | 15:41 |
| * larsks now needs to learn about "hooks"... | 15:41 | |
| dmgweb | shardy: how to solve? | 15:42 |
| shardy | larsks: It's a mechanism where you can have heat pause create|update and wait for a user signal before proceeding | 15:42 |
| shardy | dmgweb: fix the error in your template - uploading the template to the ask question will help :) | 15:42 |
| shardy | dmgweb: Admittedly, that error isn't the most super helpful :( | 15:43 |
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| dmgweb | shardy: http://pastebin.com/NrTSTsMS the template | 15:44 |
| dmgweb | shardy very thanks | 15:44 |
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| shardy | dmgweb: as a start, try commenting all the depends_on lines, they should not be needed as you're already referencing the resources via get_resource and get_attr | 15:47 |
| shardy | then, I'd probably comment out most of the resources and uncomment one-by-one until you spot the error | 15:47 |
| dmgweb | thank you very much, I'll try | 15:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tetiana Lashchova proposed openstack/heat: Fix description for trove cluster IP attribute https://review.openstack.org/192145 | 18:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack/heat: Switch from MySQL-python to PyMySQL https://review.openstack.org/184376 | 18:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sirushti Murugesan proposed openstack/heat: Move listener rpc client to rpc/listener_client.py https://review.openstack.org/191630 | 18:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sirushti Murugesan proposed openstack/heat: DNM: Take convergence for a spin https://review.openstack.org/191632 | 18:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sirushti Murugesan proposed openstack/heat: DNM: Convergence: Try not to exceed build timeout https://review.openstack.org/193269 | 19:28 |
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| stevebaker | morning | 20:44 |
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| stevebaker | jdandrea: I commented on https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1461720 | 21:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1461720 in openstack-manuals "[user-guide] Move Hot Guide to heat dev repo" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Brian Moss (bmoss) | 21:08 |
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| jdandrea | stevebaker: +1 tx | 21:10 |
| jdandrea | stevebaker: Where would the cookbook go under that? I suppose we can cross that bridge when we get there. | 21:11 |
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| stevebaker | jdandrea: I would think in the first chapters, then HOT Spec chapters, then resource type reference | 21:11 |
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| jdandrea | stevebaker: *nod* and in terms of the filename(s) we can probably use something like cookbook.html ... | 21:12 |
| stevebaker | jdandrea: don't you think these already count as cookbook content? (or could evolve to become it) | 21:12 |
| stevebaker | http://docs.openstack.org/user-guide/hot-guide/hot_hello_world.html | 21:12 |
| stevebaker | http://docs.openstack.org/user-guide/hot-guide/hot_basic_resources.html | 21:12 |
| stevebaker | http://docs.openstack.org/user-guide/hot-guide/hot_software_deployment.htlm | 21:12 |
| jdandrea | stevebaker: Yes. | 21:12 |
| jdandrea | Definitely. | 21:13 |
| stevebaker | jdandrea: I was thinking a cookbook chapter each for compute, networking, storage | 21:13 |
| jdandrea | stevebaker: I was thinking in terms of a URI path that - yep. | 21:13 |
| jdandrea | :) | 21:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed openstack/heat: Produce more meaningful exception messages in nested stacks https://review.openstack.org/188228 | 23:58 |
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