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| therve | zaneb, Thanks for your details response on my -dev email | 13:33 |
| therve | I was thinking about something else. Maybe it doesn't answer everything, but | 13:34 |
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| therve | What about a OS::Heat::Value resource? | 13:34 |
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| zaneb | therve: so it would just pass properties to attributes? | 13:49 |
| zaneb | that's a really interesting idea, I had never thought of that | 13:50 |
| therve | zaneb, attributes to properties, I guess? | 13:50 |
| therve | Well it depends :) | 13:50 |
| therve | But we already have dependencies "solved" for resources, so if we could reuse that it sounds interesting to me | 13:50 |
| zaneb | I mean, you push data into the properties and pull it out again as attributes, right? | 13:51 |
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| therve | Yes that's right | 13:51 |
| zaneb | one resource per value, or would we allow multiple values per resource? | 13:51 |
| zaneb | the latter is more convenient but could cause cause circular deps if people tried to cram too much into one | 13:52 |
| therve | I would say one per value, depends on how crowded it gets | 13:52 |
| therve | But you can have a list as value | 13:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat: Add information about ResourceGroup attributes https://review.openstack.org/300497 | 13:58 |
| zaneb | therve: +1, liking this idea a lot | 13:58 |
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| Drago | shardy: Re your last ML post: "Your original example gets much cleaner too if we allow all intrinsic function (except get_attr) …" | 16:37 |
| Drago | Would you exclude get_resource as well? | 16:37 |
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| shardy | Drago: No, I don't see how we could | 16:39 |
| shardy | I should have mentioned that I guess | 16:40 |
| Drago | shardy: So get_resource would be allowed, you're saying? | 16:40 |
| shardy | we'd need the paramers block fully resolved before attempting to create any resources | 16:40 |
| shardy | Drago: No, I think that would be very hard and we shouldn't attempt it | 16:40 |
| Drago | Ah okay | 16:40 |
| Drago | shardy: I agree | 16:41 |
| shardy | my point was just that access to the other intrinsics which just manipulate data would be useful | 16:41 |
| shardy | and it'd save making a mess of the template with a whole new section | 16:41 |
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| Drago | shardy: I believe the same is true for defining template structure (data flow vs the data itself), like we discussed about allowing nested get_attr. | 16:43 |
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| Drago | It makes it much more difficult to do validation | 16:43 |
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| boltR | how do I force heat to use an updated policy.json? | 18:49 |
| boltR | i've tried stopping and restarting all the heat services to no avail | 18:49 |
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| zaneb | restarting heat-api and heat-cfn-api *ought* to be sufficient | 18:50 |
| boltR | oh i just realized i'm load balancing against 3 heat vms | 18:51 |
| boltR | :/ | 18:51 |
| boltR | thanks | 18:51 |
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| zaneb | boltR: that'll do it :) | 18:56 |
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| therve | zaneb, So with your last message, you suggest keeping the conditions section? | 19:03 |
| zaneb | yes | 19:03 |
| therve | Mokay | 19:04 |
| zaneb | now that I've read the code, the technical reasons behind doing it that way seem solid | 19:04 |
| therve | Which are? Simplicity of data resolution? | 19:05 |
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| zaneb | yeah, you have to have a {if: } function, and it has to be decidable before creating anything | 19:06 |
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| therve | I don't know why it has to be decidable | 19:07 |
| therve | Can't it enter the regular dependency cycle? | 19:07 |
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| zaneb | it can't because the resources that are excluded don't exist in the regular dependency cycle | 19:08 |
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| zaneb | think of it like a pre-processor, not a compiler :D | 19:09 |
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| therve | RIght, but why can't they exist? | 19:09 |
| therve | They can "exist" without being created, no? | 19:09 |
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| zaneb | because you'd have to go through the whole engine and find everywhere it checks for a resource existing and make it do something special with the disabled ones | 19:11 |
| zaneb | can be done, but likely to be really buggy for a long time | 19:11 |
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| therve | OK, so the argument is simplicity | 19:13 |
| therve | I can see that, I guess | 19:13 |
| zaneb | basically, yep | 19:14 |
| therve | Maybe we can investigate shardy's idea, too | 19:14 |
| therve | Which basically replace conditions by parameters, AFAIU | 19:14 |
| zaneb | that's an interesting one | 19:14 |
| randallburt1 | therve: which sounds nice from a template perspective but tricky in implementation | 19:14 |
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| randallburt | who keeps changing my name!? | 19:15 |
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| zaneb | it has most of the same problems plus a couple of new ones though | 19:15 |
| therve | randallburt, Yeah I'm not sure why. Surely you have to do that work in the conditions section? | 19:15 |
| randallburt | therve: because we're resolving twice? | 19:16 |
| randallburt | I think | 19:16 |
| therve | How so? resolution is recursive, no? | 19:16 |
| zaneb | therve: e.g. it's easy enough to say conditions can do get_param and some other subset of functions, but if you start saying parameters can do get_param it becomes complicated very quickly | 19:16 |
| randallburt | therve: ^^ | 19:16 |
| randallburt | parameter foo: { get_param: another parameter that is also using a function} and the like. As long as we detect potentially bottomless recursion | 19:18 |
| therve | zaneb, So that's what I thought, but where do do that filter in the proposed implementation? | 19:18 |
| therve | It just seems to use resolve_static_data | 19:18 |
| zaneb | therve: it doesn't filter out get_attr and get_resource yet and that's one of many reasons I -1'd the patch :) | 19:19 |
| therve | Ah, okay :) | 19:19 |
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| zaneb | basically I am now mostly convinced that tiantian is right - it will take a bunch of work just to get what is there in shape to merge, and if we have to implement something even more complex it is likely to take an infinite amount of time :) | 19:21 |
| therve | Well | 19:27 |
| therve | It's a simple matter of programming (tm) | 19:27 |
| zaneb | lol | 19:27 |
| therve | :) | 19:28 |
| therve | I'm not against the idea in principle, just that we'll be stuck with that top-level section forever, so I want to be convinced as well | 19:29 |
| zaneb | that and you have to explain to the users "you can use this function here, but not there, and you can use it over there but only if you stand on one leg while you're creating the stack..." | 19:29 |
| therve | Yeah whatever we're doing we'll have to do some of that, that's indeed unfortunate | 19:30 |
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