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| elynn | Morning heat :) | 01:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed openstack/heat: Use '--visibility' instead of '--is-public' https://review.openstack.org/313963 | 02:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed openstack/heat: StackSummary for loading minimal stack data https://review.openstack.org/313228 | 03:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Don't use two different names for the same flag https://review.openstack.org/311641 | 05:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat-templates: Use new openstack heat plugins for validation https://review.openstack.org/285414 | 05:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kanagaraj Manickam proposed openstack/heat: Enable client plugin to support dynamic api version https://review.openstack.org/255443 | 06:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kanagaraj Manickam proposed openstack/heat: Cleanup magnum client test case https://review.openstack.org/313988 | 06:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Kanagaraj Manickam proposed openstack/heat: Migrate nova_instance to physical_resource_id https://review.openstack.org/110557 | 06:09 |
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| ananta | Hi, Good morning all! | 06:18 |
| asalkeld | o/ | 06:18 |
| ananta | I need some help setting up experimental jobs in heat for magnum, murano, trove etc | 06:18 |
| ananta | for the services that use heat, so that we can test convg doesn't break them | 06:19 |
| ananta | asalkeld: hi, how are you? | 06:19 |
| asalkeld | hi, good thanks and you? | 06:19 |
| ananta | me too | 06:20 |
| asalkeld | took me a while to get over the jet lap :-( | 06:20 |
| asalkeld | lag.. | 06:20 |
| ananta | asalkeld: yeah :) I was sleepy whole day for last week | 06:20 |
| ananta | I seem to be ok now | 06:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Kanagaraj Manickam proposed openstack/heat: Migrate nova_instance to physical_resource_id https://review.openstack.org/110557 | 06:21 |
| ananta | IST is almost exactly opposite of US tZ | 06:21 |
| ananta | I submitted a patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313525/ for enabling magnum as experimental but doesn't look good :( | 06:22 |
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| therve | Good morning! | 07:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-heatclient: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/313755 | 07:48 |
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| jreypo | part | 08:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Anant Patil proposed openstack/heat: Convergence: Throttle to sync point updates https://review.openstack.org/261929 | 09:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed openstack/heat: Set correct security_groups for internal ports https://review.openstack.org/314048 | 11:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed openstack/heat: Set security_groups when create internal ports for nova server https://review.openstack.org/314048 | 11:10 |
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| Izlots | Hey there. Rackspace has this 2 kind of servers, the one?s with disk and the one?s without. I?m asking myself if it is possible to write a heat template and decide by flavour parameter if I need to add a disk or not? | 11:21 |
| Izlots | maybe by placing this 2 kind of servers in 2 different sub templates or so? | 11:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Oleksii Chuprykov proposed openstack/heat: Add yaql function https://review.openstack.org/196984 | 11:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Oleksii Chuprykov proposed openstack/heat: Add retry for detach interface during rollback https://review.openstack.org/306490 | 11:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Use '--visibility' instead of '--is-public' https://review.openstack.org/313963 | 12:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kanagaraj Manickam proposed openstack/heat-specs: python-heat-template https://review.openstack.org/277693 | 12:47 |
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| mvpnitesh | Hi guys, Good evening | 12:58 |
| mvpnitesh | I've a doubt regarding resource signal , please explain me what is resource-signal and why do we use it | 13:00 |
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| therve | mvpnitesh, You use it to signal a resource. | 13:07 |
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| therve | What it does depend on the resource. Your question deserves some clarification | 13:07 |
| mvpnitesh | @therve , if i create a instance using hot template | 13:08 |
| mvpnitesh | it that i specify my resource name | 13:08 |
| mvpnitesh | if i give resource-list of the stack | 13:09 |
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| mvpnitesh | i'll get the resource name, If i do resource signal i.e heat resource-signal Nitesh my_instance | 13:10 |
| therve | Why would you do that? | 13:11 |
| mvpnitesh | i'm not getting any response , i just want to know what is the return type of resource signal and does it return anything | 13:11 |
| therve | If that's your question, then yes signal doesn't return anything | 13:12 |
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| mvpnitesh | @Therve Thanks | 13:13 |
| mvpnitesh | @Therve why do we use it , As you said signal to resource , what does that mean ? | 13:13 |
| mvpnitesh | Does it just check whether resource of that stack is there or not ? | 13:14 |
| therve | It depends on the resource | 13:14 |
| therve | No | 13:14 |
| therve | It can unset a hook for example | 13:14 |
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| therve | Or tell a deployment that it's done | 13:15 |
| therve | Or trigger a wait condition | 13:15 |
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| mvpnitesh | @THerve Thanks , can you please provide any link regarding this resource signal with an example | 13:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Denes Nemeth proposed openstack/heat-specs: add specs for efficient API polling https://review.openstack.org/314094 | 13:17 |
| therve | No, I don't have one | 13:17 |
| mvpnitesh | through api refference link http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-orchestration-v1.html and through cli http://docs.openstack.org/cli-reference/heat.html | 13:18 |
| mvpnitesh | i couldn't find much info using them | 13:18 |
| mvpnitesh | can you provide any link which has info regarding resource signal | 13:19 |
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| shardy | therve: Hey, re your summit summary - can you please loop me in prior to the switch to convergence by default - we'll have to get a patch into TripleO to turn it off | 13:23 |
| shardy | personally I'd be much happier if we addressed the severe performance penalty before changing the default, but I accept I may be in the minority | 13:24 |
| zaneb | shardy: by 'performance' you mean memory usage specifically? | 13:26 |
| shardy | zaneb: memory usage and optimzing the DB access | 13:27 |
| shardy | both are a barrier to enabling convergence for TripleO usage | 13:27 |
| zaneb | ok, 'cause I feel like we're close on the memory usage | 13:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Denes Nemeth proposed openstack/heat-specs: fix indents https://review.openstack.org/314098 | 13:28 |
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| shardy | zaneb: That's good news - are there patches other than cwolferh's that I should be testing now? | 13:28 |
| * shardy hasn't been following heat reviews that closely lately, apologies | 13:28 | |
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| zaneb | shardy: I think the combination of https://review.openstack.org/311837 and a modified version of cwolferh's patch rebased on top of that will make a big difference | 13:29 |
| zaneb | probably nothing more to test until that rebase happens though | 13:30 |
| shardy | zaneb: Ah, thanks, I'd missed that patch | 13:31 |
| shardy | definitely looks like a big improvement :) | 13:31 |
| zaneb | by itself it doesn't do much, but the combination should | 13:32 |
| shardy | yup | 13:32 |
| zaneb | I haven't looked at DB stuff at all | 13:33 |
| zaneb | I feel like that's a lower priority though | 13:33 |
| zaneb | 'slow' is just a PITA | 13:34 |
| zaneb | 'need a bigger box to even run this' is a show-stopper | 13:34 |
| rook | :) | 13:34 |
| zaneb | shardy: btw one of the thing we discussed in the session was making sure that projects that depend on Heat are well informed that the switch is going to be flipped. it's understood that TripleO may be probably the last one to get rid of a local override, quite possibly not until Ocata | 13:36 |
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| jdob | therve, KanagarajM_: the blueprint for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312712/ got approved, when you get a second, can one of you +A that review? the zuul job also got approved so i'd like to get that all finished off | 14:00 |
| therve | Sure | 14:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Denes Nemeth proposed openstack/heat-specs: add specs for efficient API polling https://review.openstack.org/314094 | 14:05 |
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| jdob | thanks therve :D | 14:08 |
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| therve | No problem. Thanks for tackling that! | 14:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Migrate API documentations into the Heat tree https://review.openstack.org/312712 | 15:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | James Reeves proposed openstack/heat: Support neutron QoSDscpMarkingRule resource plugin https://review.openstack.org/277567 | 15:26 |
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| therve | zaneb, Posted a couple of questions on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311837/ fwiw | 16:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Anant Patil proposed openstack/heat: Fix DBDeadlock error in stack update https://review.openstack.org/312936 | 16:31 |
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| jdob | zaneb: ping me when you have a few seconds to talk about https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1575898 | 18:33 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1575898 in heat "get_attr seems to be occasionally returning before the output is ready" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Jay Dobies (jdob) | 18:33 |
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| zaneb | jdob: pong | 19:31 |
| jdob | hey, so had a few questions about... well, stuff | 19:32 |
| jdob | i saw your suggestion where it could be, but i have some other stuff to ask about first | 19:32 |
| zaneb | kk | 19:32 |
| jdob | lemme start with a quick summary | 19:32 |
| jdob | there are two resources, ServiceChain and EndpointMap | 19:33 |
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| jdob | ServiceChain is, big surprise, a ResourceChain | 19:33 |
| jdob | in its definition, it takes a property EndpointMap: { get_attr: [EndpointMap, endpoint_map] } | 19:33 |
| jdob | so my first thought was that we weren't properly realizing the dependency there | 19:34 |
| jdob | which got me trying to figure out where/how we figure out those deps | 19:34 |
| jdob | i've found stuff like dep_attrs and resolve and what not in functions, but I can't find the higher level part of that yet | 19:34 |
| jdob | was hoping you could point me in the right direction | 19:34 |
| zaneb | yes, I can | 19:35 |
| jdob | where I'm going with this is that they are using resource chains | 19:35 |
| jdob | i wrote resource chains | 19:35 |
| jdob | so its entirely possible it's got a bug | 19:35 |
| zaneb | almost certainly not | 19:36 |
| jdob | and i wasnt sure if the dep resolution went that far, to check the resource plugin | 19:36 |
| zaneb | the resource asks the ResourceDefinition for the dependencies http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/heat/tree/heat/engine/resource.py#n585 | 19:36 |
| jdob | or if it didn't matter since the get_attr is at the def level | 19:36 |
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| zaneb | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/heat/tree/heat/engine/rsrc_defn.py#n187 | 19:36 |
| zaneb | and the ResourceDefinition calls function.dependencies() on its properties and metadata | 19:37 |
| zaneb | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/heat/tree/heat/engine/function.py#n154 | 19:37 |
| jdob | which means the plugin itself isn't involved and my shitty code isn't even in the mix at that point | 19:37 |
| zaneb | exactly | 19:37 |
| zaneb | that calls Function.dependencies() on each Function object, which knows how to calculate its own dependencies | 19:38 |
| jdob | ok, before we leave this topic, what's the difference between function.dependencies and function.dep_attrs ? | 19:38 |
| jdob | I had been looking at the latter | 19:38 |
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| zaneb | in this case right here http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/heat/tree/heat/engine/cfn/functions.py#n174 | 19:39 |
| zaneb | dep_attrs is used only by convergence | 19:39 |
| jdob | oh, no shit | 19:39 |
| jdob | ok, that helps | 19:39 |
| zaneb | after we create a resource, while we still have it in memory, we want to retrieve all the attributes that we are going to need and memo-ise them so that we don't have to load the resource again | 19:40 |
| zaneb | so dep_attrs returns a list of attributes of the resource that are referenced elsewhere in the template | 19:40 |
| zaneb | and we fetch and store only those ones | 19:41 |
| jdob | I read it as a more lightweight version of depedencies, so that makes sense | 19:41 |
| zaneb | yeah, it was one of those 'naming things' problems | 19:41 |
| jdob | ok, so, the dep graph is probably fine and it doesn't make sense to ask tripleo to add an explicit dependency | 19:41 |
| zaneb | agree | 19:42 |
| jdob | which also means, yay, I probably didn't break it with resource chains | 19:42 |
| jdob | so this brings me back to your original suggestion | 19:42 |
| jdob | i found the dependecy task group and stuff like that | 19:43 |
| jdob | that does the actual creates | 19:43 |
| zaneb | yep | 19:43 |
| jdob | but i'm not seeing where the stack complete stuff is fired off | 19:43 |
| jdob | would that be in stack_resource or up in resource? | 19:43 |
| zaneb | can you clarify what you mean by stack complete stuff? | 19:44 |
| zaneb | the nested stack will mark itself complete in stack.py; the resource in the parent stack that owns it will hear about when when polling from stack_resource.py | 19:45 |
| * jdob thinking | 19:46 | |
| jdob | ah, the check_create_complete stuff | 19:47 |
| zaneb | yeah, that's where it polls | 19:47 |
| jdob | and it polls the DB directly? | 19:48 |
| jdob | nm, yes | 19:48 |
| jdob | return db_api.stack_get_status(context, stack_id) | 19:48 |
| zaneb | ick, so it does | 19:49 |
| zaneb | so here's an interesting fact | 19:51 |
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| zaneb | _resolve attribute, which is what we'll use to get the attribute, calls get_output(), which just calls nested() | 19:52 |
| zaneb | and nested() may return a cached version of the child stack, not necessarily one just loaded from the DB | 19:52 |
| jdob | so, that brings me to my next question | 19:53 |
| jdob | self.cache_data = cache_data | 19:53 |
| jdob | in Stack | 19:53 |
| jdob | um... not sure how to ask this. i suppose the question is when is that used? | 19:53 |
| jdob | (that might be too broad of a question) | 19:53 |
| zaneb | I have no idea there either, I'd have to look | 19:53 |
| jdob | ok, so that's not common knowledge, got it | 19:53 |
| jdob | or rather, that's not obvious knowledge | 19:54 |
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| jdob | ok, I see what you're saying on the lazy load of the nested stack | 19:55 |
| jdob | looks like preview explicitly gets around that lazy load too | 19:56 |
| zaneb | oh, we reset it in check_status_complete() so we will load it again | 19:56 |
| zaneb | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/heat/tree/heat/engine/resources/stack_resource.py#n393 | 19:56 |
| jdob | i just saw taht, but i didnt understand what get_engine_id does | 19:56 |
| zaneb | it checks if the resource was being processed on the same engine | 19:57 |
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| zaneb | I think... | 19:57 |
| zaneb | oh, no | 19:57 |
| zaneb | it checks if the stack lock has been released | 19:58 |
| jdob | ah, "is None"... helps if I read the whole line | 19:58 |
| zaneb | had the same problem :) | 19:58 |
| jdob | i had the same thought about the same engine, but that didnt make sense | 19:58 |
| zaneb | so in theory there should be no race | 19:59 |
| jdob | here's the other weird part | 19:59 |
| jdob | in that chain i mentioned earlier, there are three resource types | 20:00 |
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| jdob | but let's just talk about two: glance-registry and keystone | 20:00 |
| zaneb | in order to return True from check_status_complete, the stack lock would have to be released, and after that we reload the stack, so at that point the outputs should be available | 20:00 |
| jdob | both take the same mysql IP from endpoint map | 20:00 |
| jdob | it looks like keystone started up fine | 20:00 |
| jdob | but glance didn't | 20:00 |
| zaneb | huh | 20:00 |
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| zaneb | maybe keystone still got a bad value but just didn't crash as a result? | 20:01 |
| jdob | quick question while we're talking: glance_dsn: &glance_dsn | 20:01 |
| jdob | that is resolved up at the yaml parser level | 20:01 |
| jdob | and will literally just insert a copy of the referenced stuff in its place, right? | 20:01 |
| jdob | we don't have to do any magic there? | 20:01 |
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| zaneb | oh geez, we're doing _that_ now? | 20:02 |
| zaneb | you're correct though | 20:02 |
| jdob | it's a weird usage of it because it's never referenced more than once, so i'm not sure why they split it like that | 20:03 |
| zaneb | where is this? | 20:03 |
| jdob | https://paste.fedoraproject.org/364396/82421614/ | 20:03 |
| jdob | lemme get the full review | 20:03 |
| jdob | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/305751/8/puppet/services/glance-registry.yaml | 20:03 |
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| jdob | as for your other question, its possible keystone isn't starting and i'm just misreading the logs that i have | 20:05 |
| jdob | but it doesn't look like it's barfing with any noticable DB issues | 20:06 |
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| jdob | double checking on that now | 20:09 |
| jdob | ok, I lied: keystone is busted too in its config | 20:12 |
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| zaneb | jdob: the other day when I said that resource chains were serialised, didn't you say that probably nobody would ever need that and we only implemented it because we could? | 20:18 |
| jdob | yes, that's what I said | 20:18 |
| jdob | because I forget if we had a legit use case | 20:18 |
| * jdob checks spec | 20:19 | |
| zaneb | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/heat/tree/heat/engine/resources/openstack/heat/resource_chain.py#n64 | 20:19 |
| zaneb | interesting that it's the default then ;) ^ | 20:19 |
| zaneb | can see the use here, probably they want keystone to start before glance | 20:20 |
| jdob | oh, shit, ya | 20:20 |
| jdob | spec says false is the default too | 20:20 |
| jdob | By default, each resource will be treated as having a dependency on the | 20:20 |
| jdob | resource before it in the list. If the ``concurrent`` property is set to | 20:20 |
| jdob | true, no dependencies between the created resources will be established. | 20:20 |
| jdob | so at one point, I was at least consistent :) | 20:20 |
| zaneb | lol :) | 20:21 |
| jdob | i don't believe these resources are actually starting the services | 20:21 |
| jdob | just generating config, so the concurrent: true probably isn't a huge deal in this case | 20:21 |
| jdob | but ya, let's assume I was thinking about keystone when i first wrote resource chains | 20:22 |
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| kevinbenton | hey, i'm hear to discuss the heat test failures caused by neutron | 21:52 |
| kevinbenton | here* | 21:52 |
| kevinbenton | jasond: you around? | 21:52 |
| jasond | kevinbenton: hey, sorry i can't talk now. will you be around tomorrow? | 21:55 |
| kevinbenton | jasond: yes, i'm trying to land some fixes in vpnaas for grenade, but i think long term heat should stop testing vpnaas because it's basically a dead project right now | 21:55 |
| kevinbenton | jasond: heat is almost the only project gating on it | 21:56 |
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| jasond | kevinbenton: ok, thanks for looking into that. i'll see about getting that fixed. will let you know how it goes | 21:57 |
| jasond | until tomorrow... | 21:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/heat: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/313725 | 23:58 |
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