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| cwolferh | zaneb, i have not rebased yet my template_files patch yet, looks like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311837/ has a real error in the gate | 05:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Convergence: Refactor worker https://review.openstack.org/295159 | 07:13 |
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| ccard | I am running OpenStack juno, and have set up all the APIs to use SSL, using an internal CA. Is there a way of getting instances created by heat to automatically have the internal CA bundle added to the system CA bundle? Otherwise, heat-config-notify fails with an certificate verify error and the stack is marked as failed. | 08:03 |
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| pas-ha | ccard: cloud init https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/examples.html#configure-an-instances-trusted-ca-certificates | 08:10 |
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| pas-ha | use StructuredSoftwareConfig to pass verbatim cloud config data to servers via user_data/Nova metadata | 08:11 |
| ccard | pas-ha: so I have to explicitly do this in every heat template? | 08:14 |
| therve | ccard, You can prebuild images with the ca shipped in | 08:18 |
| ccard | therve: sure, but that means I have to rebuild images if the CA changes, which is just another thing to remember to do, or automate | 08:21 |
| therve | Use letsencrypt :) | 08:22 |
| ccard | pas-ha: also, to use the cloud-config ca-certs section, do I need a particular cloud-config module mentioned in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg? | 08:22 |
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| pas-ha | ccard: don't really know :( | 08:32 |
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| therve | I love people asking for feedback and not hearing responses | 10:36 |
| therve | Sigh | 10:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed openstack/heat: Avoid passing templates/files over RPC https://review.openstack.org/311837 | 12:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed openstack/heat: RPC API: Add a template_id parameter to stack_create/update https://review.openstack.org/315275 | 12:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed openstack/heat: Add deployment ID to deploy signal events https://review.openstack.org/315476 | 13:51 |
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| therve | zaneb, Still a small test failure on those template patches | 14:06 |
| therve | (Also test locally! :)) | 14:06 |
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| zaneb | therve: dammit! you're right, should have tested locally | 14:21 |
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| zaneb | I did try grepping for the old version in the code, but I missed that one | 14:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jay Dobies proposed openstack/heat: Add check for server existence on software deployment delete https://review.openstack.org/301260 | 14:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed openstack/heat: Avoid passing templates/files over RPC https://review.openstack.org/311837 | 14:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed openstack/heat: RPC API: Add a template_id parameter to stack_create/update https://review.openstack.org/315275 | 14:34 |
| p01nt3r75 | hi guys, I have a stack that I can't be able to delete ... it's freeze in a creation state. deleting told me 'ERROR: Stack test01 already has an action (CREATE) in progress.' http://pastebin.com/SEhi guys, I have a stack that I can't be able to delete ... it's freeze in a creation state. deleting told me 'ERROR: Stack test01 already has an action (CREATE) in progress.' http://pastebin.com/SEbUpRBw http://pastebin.com/MUFru085 what can I do to delete a | 14:34 |
| p01nt3r75 | stack that is freeze in a CREATE_IN_PROGRESS state ? 'bUpRBw http://pastebin.com/MUFru085 what can I do to delete a stack that is freeze in a CREATE_IN_PROGRESS state ? ' | 14:34 |
| p01nt3r75 | ops.. messing up with cut & paste | 14:35 |
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| p01nt3r75 | the pastebin links are: http://pastebin.com/SEbUpRBw http://pastebin.com/MUFru085 | 14:36 |
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| therve | p01nt3r75, We probably need server side logs to see what's going on | 14:41 |
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| zaneb | p01nt3r75: it's weird, because you should always be allowed to delete, even if something is IN_PROGRESS | 14:59 |
| p01nt3r75 | therve: In logs nothing special is shown neither in heat-api neither in neither-engine. Just this http://pastebin.com/3n9m9s0J that could be unrelated with this problem. Is there a way to force the delete of the stack ? | 14:59 |
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| p01nt3r75 | zaneb: yes.. it's very strange.. it may be related to some bug.. it is also sporadic because the same template was used and didn't gave this problem | 15:01 |
| zaneb | I think I saw a similar bug reported once before. I don't think we got to the bottom of that either | 15:01 |
| zaneb | yeah, I suspect it's a race in the StackLock | 15:01 |
| zaneb | p01nt3r75: what release are you running? | 15:02 |
| p01nt3r75 | 5.0 | 15:02 |
| p01nt3r75 | liberty centos7 repo | 15:02 |
| p01nt3r75 | http://pastebin.com/M0BCSiPZ | 15:03 |
| p01nt3r75 | is there a way to manual delete it ? | 15:04 |
| zaneb | https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1504266 | 15:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1504266 in heat "Stack overcloud-ComputeNodesPostDeployment-dkq4fgg4lqk5-NovaComputeContainersDeployment-6zpj2rijh3lk already has an action (CREATE) in progress." [Undecided,Incomplete] | 15:04 |
| zaneb | p01nt3r75: you get the same message no matter how many times you try to delete it? | 15:05 |
| zaneb | if that's the case my only suggestion is to restart heat-engine before trying again | 15:05 |
| p01nt3r75 | zaneb: yes.. always 'ERROR: Stack test01 already has an action (CREATE) in progress.' | 15:06 |
| zaneb | aha https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1493655 | 15:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1493655 in heat "Can't operate stack anymore" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to huangtianhua (huangtianhua) | 15:07 |
| p01nt3r75 | it's from 2016-05-08 | 15:07 |
| zaneb | ah no, that one was caused by the db going down, so its not the same | 15:07 |
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| p01nt3r75 | zaneb: yes.. restarting heat engine and deleting again works!! | 15:09 |
| zaneb | ok, so something was still alive, and the lock was in still in the DB, even though it shouldn't have been holding the lock any more | 15:10 |
| zaneb | p01nt3r75: if you could create a new bug in Launchpad and attach logs, that would be helpful | 15:11 |
| p01nt3r75 | ok, I think I will see it again and next time I will collect all the info to fill up a new bug. As you have seen it's from 2016-05-08. Anyway there wasn0t nothing special on logs.. have you find interesting the one I put here before ? | 15:15 |
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| zaneb | therve: I applied your patch for bug 1570569 locally, and it passed unit tests for me... | 16:36 |
| openstack | bug 1570569 in heat "Loading stack using stored context calls keystone" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1570569 - Assigned to Thomas Herve (therve) | 16:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Crag Wolfe proposed openstack/heat: De-duplicate raw_template.files https://review.openstack.org/303692 | 17:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/heat: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/315056 | 17:19 |
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| therve | zaneb, Right, tests pass, code doesn't work | 17:40 |
| zaneb | oh :( | 17:40 |
| zaneb | how does it fail? | 17:41 |
| therve | zaneb, You mean unit tests right? | 17:41 |
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| therve | Yeah you said so | 17:41 |
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| therve | zaneb, Deadlock :/ | 17:41 |
| therve | That's why I thought it was some re-entrancy issue | 17:42 |
| zaneb | like... it just stops and waits for ever? | 17:42 |
| therve | Yep | 17:43 |
| therve | Well, for long enough that I didn't wait at least :) | 17:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed openstack/heat: Avoid passing templates/files over RPC https://review.openstack.org/311837 | 18:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jay Dobies proposed openstack/heat: Add timeout for software deployments https://review.openstack.org/295992 | 19:21 |
| therve | So gate broken, no recheck please | 19:21 |
| therve | falcon release broke zaqar | 19:21 |
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| therve | https://review.openstack.org/315737 should fix the gate, can someone follow through? | 19:49 |
| therve | stevebaker maybe? | 19:49 |
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| zaneb | therve: found the recursion, maybe | 20:00 |
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| zaneb | _create_auth_plugin() can access user_domain, and is called by KeystoneClientV3.authref | 20:01 |
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| zaneb | although only when we're doing password auth | 20:01 |
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| stevebaker | morning | 20:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Jason Dunsmore proposed openstack/heat: Add default release names for template versions https://review.openstack.org/314741 | 20:46 |
| stevebaker | therve: sure, follow through on what exactly? | 20:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed openstack/heat: Lazy-load context information requiring Keystone calls https://review.openstack.org/315772 | 21:04 |
| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed openstack/heat: Break reference cycle in KeystoneClient plugins https://review.openstack.org/315773 | 21:04 |
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| flwang | zaneb: ping re the idea of heat + zaqar + mistral | 21:59 |
| zaneb | ooh, my favourite subject :) | 21:59 |
| flwang | zaneb: would you mind giving me an overview ? :) | 21:59 |
| flwang | any link/spec for that? | 22:00 |
| zaneb | not yet | 22:00 |
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| zaneb | I just recently heard that the notifications are now a thing in Zaqar | 22:01 |
| zaneb | my current thought is that one of the notification types ought to be kicking off a (named) Mistral workflow, passing the content of the message | 22:02 |
| zaneb | we already have a number of notifications going from Heat into Zaqar, and plans to add more | 22:02 |
| zaneb | so that would be the last side in the triangle | 22:02 |
| zaneb | investigating the details and writing a spec is on my to-do list | 22:03 |
| flwang | zaneb: in our internal (Catalyst Cloud), we have one Zaqar core and one Mistral core, so we had discussed to integrate zaqar and mistral to do some interesting things | 22:04 |
| flwang | so that's why i'm really excited to hear you guys are planning the same thing | 22:04 |
| zaneb | yeah, I've been pushing that idea for some years, but I made the mistake of pushing it from the Mistral side | 22:04 |
| flwang | zaneb: why do you say it's a mistake ? :) | 22:05 |
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| zaneb | if Zaqar has a notification mechanism already then it should be easy to re-use that to push to another sink (i.e. Mistral instead of e.g. an email) | 22:06 |
| stevebaker | \o | 22:06 |
| flwang | zaneb: yep, currently zaqar's notification support webhook and email as the subscriber | 22:07 |
| zaneb | OTOH Mistral doesn't have a component that would make sense to sit there trying to pull stuff out of Zaqar, so they'd have to add one | 22:07 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: also they are in Wellington, so I can work with them for any heat side things | 22:08 |
| flwang | zaneb: what do you mean 'pull stuff out of zaqar'? get messags? | 22:08 |
| flwang | or to be notified by zaqar? | 22:08 |
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| zaneb | get messages | 22:08 |
| zaneb | to implement it in Mistral you'd have to create a service that sat there getting messages and kicking off workflows | 22:09 |
| flwang | zaneb: do you know this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275096/ ? | 22:09 |
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| zaneb | whereas implementing the integration inside Zaqar should be easy | 22:09 |
| flwang | our lovely therve did in last cycle | 22:09 |
| zaneb | I didn't, but that's a slightly different thing to what I'm thinking (also super useful/essential though) | 22:10 |
| zaneb | you could use it as a trigger in a hacky sort of way - have the first step be to wait for a message | 22:11 |
| flwang | zaneb: cool, so it would be nice if you can work out a basic spec, so that we can discuss based on that | 22:11 |
| flwang | and stevebaker and i discussed the autoscaling idea related to senlin | 22:11 |
| flwang | how do you think the relationship between senlin heat zaqar and mistral? | 22:12 |
| zaneb | I will bump it up my priority list | 22:12 |
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| zaneb | so what I would really like is for Senlin to stop doing their own orchestration as use Heat as a backend, so that when Heat integrates with Zaqar and Mistral they get it for free | 22:13 |
| zaneb | but I understand why they haven't done that up to this point | 22:13 |
| zaneb | *and* use Heat as a backend | 22:13 |
| zaneb | typo | 22:13 |
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| flwang | zaneb: yep, because i just mentioned that with stevebaker, since even senlin want to do that autoscaling, if they don't want to keep a lot of workflow, they what to integrate with mistral(maybe zaqar as well), does that make sense? | 22:15 |
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| flwang | s/they what to/they want to | 22:16 |
| flwang | s/they what to/they have to | 22:17 |
| flwang | sorry, too much typo | 22:17 |
| zaneb | hadn't really thought about that, but that's definitely another option | 22:17 |
| zaneb | lol | 22:17 |
| flwang | in other words, i'm trying to figure out the difference between heat's autoscaling and senlin's autoscaling (though stevebaker has explained that with me) | 22:19 |
| stevebaker | I think my point was that "auto" should be beyond the scope of heat and senlin | 22:19 |
| stevebaker | they should both just do whatever the workflow tool which responding to scaling events tell them to | 22:20 |
| stevebaker | (kill this, scale to that...) | 22:22 |
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| flwang | stevebaker: so the 'auto' part is only defined as workflow in mistral, right? which is triggered by a zaqar notification? or a native rabbit mq notification? | 22:23 |
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| stevebaker | flwang: that is an option we've discusses, zaneb is that where you're at currently? | 22:24 |
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| zaneb | in Heat autoscaling is triggered by a webhook | 22:24 |
| zaneb | not sure about Senlin | 22:25 |
| zaneb | but it would nice to have a common transport so that you can plug alarm producers (Ceilometer), consumers (Heat, Senlin) and processors (Mistral) together in arbitrarily complex ways. And I think Zaqar should be in the mix as at least part of that transport | 22:26 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: we were talking about moving away from heat receiving autoscaling signals directly, and what the autoscaling architecture would be in that scenario | 22:27 |
| zaneb | because alarms have queuing semantics | 22:27 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: like mistral doing a stack update | 22:27 |
| flwang | webhook is also used by senlin, see https://github.com/openstack/senlin/blob/master/senlin/engine/receiver.py#L190 but i assume it also support some other ways | 22:27 |
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| Yasir | HI Freak | 22:29 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: something has to decide what you're updating to, and that's likely Senlin in the future | 22:29 |
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| flwang | FYI, now aodh has supported put alarms into zaqar https://review.openstack.org/#/c/264309 | 22:30 |
| zaneb | oh, awesome | 22:30 |
| zaneb | the pieces are all falling into place :) | 22:30 |
| flwang | zaneb: that means now ceilometer(aodh) can put alarms into zaqar now, and then mistral need to listen the queue to trigger some workflow | 22:30 |
| flwang | zaneb: stevebaker: i can see a good topic for next summit | 22:31 |
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| stevebaker | flwang: oh, thats cool | 22:32 |
| zaneb | but if we had a mistral sink for notifications in zaqar then you could just set that up on the queue that aodh was pushing to | 22:32 |
| flwang | zaneb: so we need a central to sync info? | 22:34 |
| flwang | i mean a central place | 22:34 |
| zaneb | I don't understand the question, sorry | 22:34 |
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| flwang | we need a way to let mistral know which workflow need to be notified? did you say that? | 22:36 |
| flwang | or, you're saying mistral has to subscribe all the queues? | 22:36 |
| zaneb | I'm saying we need a way for the user to subscribe to zaqar notifications with the id of a Mistral workflow to kick off for each notification | 22:38 |
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| zaneb | because that will be much easier to implement than having Mistral subscribe to all of the Zaqar queues | 22:39 |
| * zaneb is reading the notification code in Zaqar as we speak | 22:39 | |
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| flwang | i'm thinking when heat create a stack like this http://superuser.openstack.org/articles/simple-auto-scaling-environment-with-heat, can heat create a subsacription in zaqar for mistral, and meanwhile, mistral will save the workflow instead of heat | 22:40 |
| flwang | then when there is an alarm, aodh will notifiy zaqar and zaqar will notify mistral | 22:41 |
| zaneb | what do you mean by "save the workflow instead of heat"? (I'm on board with the rest of it) | 22:42 |
| flwang | now heat is saving the scaling policy, right? | 22:43 |
| flwang | which i think it's a 'workflow' | 22:43 |
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| zaneb | kinda sorta | 22:43 |
| zaneb | I don't think this is the interesting part, it's an implementation detail of Heat | 22:44 |
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| flwang | zaneb: ok | 22:44 |
| zaneb | in reality, we will do whatever is the least work to keep the lights on until we can transition everything to Senlin | 22:44 |
| flwang | so what's the part we haven't been on the same page | 22:44 |
| zaneb | it's extremely unlikely that we'd bother rewriting Heat's autoscaling policies as Mistral workflows just in time to throw them all away again | 22:45 |
| flwang | agree, but i don't udnerstand why we need to transition everything to senlin :D | 22:45 |
| zaneb | because Heat's autoscaling implementation is terribad ;) | 22:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed openstack/heat: WIP Prefetch all resources for nested resource list https://review.openstack.org/314844 | 22:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed openstack/heat: WIP Prefetch all stacks for nested resource list https://review.openstack.org/315800 | 22:46 |
| flwang | zaneb: ok, so what's the role of mistral at here? | 22:46 |
| zaneb | the interesting part is what it puts under the user's control | 22:46 |
| zaneb | so the alarm can go Aodh -> Zaqar -> Heat/Senlin or Aodh -> Zaqar -> Mistral -> Heat/Senlin | 22:47 |
| zaneb | and the user can set that up, with their own custom workflow | 22:47 |
| zaneb | so they can apply their own conditioning to the alarms | 22:48 |
| zaneb | and there's lots of other interesting notifications too | 22:48 |
| zaneb | e.g. the user can set a pre-delete hook on a resource and get a Zaqar notification, and Heat waits for an API call before it carries on | 22:49 |
| zaneb | so if that notification triggers a Mistral workflow, they can use that to quiesce a server before it's deleted | 22:50 |
| zaneb | and the last step in the workflow would be to tell Heat to carry on | 22:50 |
| zaneb | it'd be all automated, so you can use it for autoscaling | 22:50 |
| zaneb | (one day I want to use this in TripleO to live-migrate instances off of nova compute servers when they're being replaced or scaled down) | 22:51 |
| flwang | zaneb: that sounds very interesting | 22:51 |
| zaneb | I know, right? :) | 22:52 |
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| flwang | zaneb: so for the first step, we could do something without mistral? | 22:52 |
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| flwang | Aodh -> Zaqar -> Heat/Senlin like this? | 22:53 |
| zaneb | can probably do that already with a webhook notification from Zaqar | 22:53 |
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| flwang | for this case, what's the benefit from your view comparing with Aodh -> Heat/Senlin? | 22:54 |
| flwang | the current way | 22:54 |
| zaneb | so I'm not sure what happens right now in Ceilometer if the Heat API is unreachable when it tries to call the webhook | 22:55 |
| zaneb | but I suspect that the notification gets dropped on the floor | 22:55 |
| zaneb | which to me is inadequate. it should go into a queue. and conveniently, zaqar is that | 22:55 |
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| flwang | zaneb: awesome, that makes much more sense | 22:57 |
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| flwang | zaneb: and we're even going to add a retry for the notifying :) | 22:58 |
| zaneb | ++ | 22:58 |
| zaneb | also, webhooks are really dodgy from a security perspective, and if we can kill them altogether that'd be great | 22:59 |
| flwang | zaneb: i can see we are always on the same page, re the dodgy webhook :) | 22:59 |
| zaneb | :D | 23:00 |
| flwang | back to the having-mistral world | 23:00 |
| flwang | Aodh -> Zaqar -> Mistral -> Heat/Senlin, does it your ideal world? | 23:01 |
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| zaneb | in my ideal world, it's completely up to the user | 23:01 |
| zaneb | but yes, the user should definitely have the option to plug them together that way | 23:02 |
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| flwang | but the problem is heat is holding the scaling policy and senlin is doing that as well | 23:03 |
| flwang | so before integrating mistral, we do have to provide a way in heat/senlin to let user can save policy/workflow in mistral | 23:03 |
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| zaneb | I don't agree on that part. the scaling policies are currently implemented in Python and I don't see that changing, but either way it doesn't really matter because it makes no difference to the user | 23:06 |
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| zaneb | both Senlin & Heat have at least sort-of adequate scaling policy implementations, I'm not really worried about changing them | 23:07 |
| flwang | zaneb: ok, then i'm a little bit confused the role of mistral in your idea | 23:07 |
| zaneb | it's role is whatever the user wants it to be | 23:07 |
| zaneb | the user can stick it in the middle there and it can do absolutely anything they want | 23:08 |
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| zaneb | without someone having to sit in front of the computer and click buttons in horizon | 23:08 |
| zaneb | so it's suitable for autoscaling, but also for all kinds of other ongoing monitoring and stuff | 23:09 |
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| zaneb | I'll try to write up a spec and then start a thread on openstack-dev | 23:10 |
| flwang | zaneb: ok, cool | 23:10 |
| flwang | zaneb: thanks a lot for the time, it's a really good talk | 23:11 |
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