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rawanhHi, is there a way to trigger hiera yaml files generation as a first boot script in the heat templates ?06:56
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rawanhbecause I have a first boot script that depends on /etc/puppet/hieradata/extraconfig.yaml07:16
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rawanhHi, is there a way to trigger hiera yaml files generation as a first boot script in the heat templates ? because I have a first boot script that depends on /etc/puppet/hieradata/extraconfig.yaml07:47
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therveshardy, Could you explain a bit how tripleo uses ResourceChain?09:00
therveI thought it could be replaced now that you use jinja, but it sounds one step deeper09:00
shardytherve: sure, we use it to combine a bunch of service templates e.g puppet/services/*.yaml09:01
shardyso that we can join together e.g maps containing hieradata (config_settings) and puppet manifest fragments (step_config)09:01
shardytherve: possibly we could do it with jinja, but we tried to do it all with heat interfaces09:01
shardyonly the custom roles stuff proved to difficult at this point09:01
shardyso we had to use jinja for that09:02
therveshardy, It seems you would need to generate new yaml files, instead of just sections09:02
therveWhich may be problematic09:02
shardytherve: Yeah, tbh the resource chain interface works really well for this09:02
shardyas we have the templates, we just need a way to combine their outputs09:03
therveshardy, Right, it works well, but it looks like a source of memory issue09:03
therveThere is no easy way to optimize it, as the interface is so open09:03
shardytherve: really?  All we're doing is doing some static data manipulation09:03
shardymost of the templates don't even have any resources in them09:03
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therveYeah, but we need to keep track of all the nested stacks in memory to resolve chain attributes09:04
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shardytherve: Hey, sorry was in a meeting09:27
shardyso, can't we avoid the nested stacks in memory problem by decoupling via RPC?09:27
shardyI saw your patch for that and assumed it would help when we've got deeply nested stacks like this09:27
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therveshardy, It helps when you have outputs09:34
therveshardy, But the {get_attr: [ServiceChain, role_data]} needs to load the nested stack09:35
therveAFAIU it needs to get on all the resource in the chain and get the role_data output09:39
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hkominoshello all. Is this the right place for openstack questions?09:43
hkominos(openstack-heat of course)09:44
shardytherve: Ok, so the problem is we need to re-resolve the outputs, because we don't store them09:47
shardyIMO we should just store the outputs when a stack changes state09:47
therveshardy, Yeah, presumably. Zane mentioned something along those lines09:47
shardyhkominos: yes, welcome09:47
therveNot something we can backport, though09:47
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hkominostwo small questions. I read somewhere that get_file does nto support other intrisic functions. For example .  user_data: {get_file: { get_param: git_init_script_name }  } will not work. Is taht the default behaviour still?09:49
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shardytherve: Yeah, although perhaps we can avoid having to load them multiple times, e.g we only really need to re-resolve that get_attr when a stack object is doing something (e.g handling a create/update), is part of the problem that we re-resolve it and load all the stacks whenever we poll for state via stack-show?09:50
shardyI'm wondering if we could limit introspection calls to only show stored parameter/property values and not attempt to resolve all-the-things09:50
therveshardy, I don't think so, because stack-show is balanced across workers09:50
shardyhrm09:51
therveSo the memory impact is limited, compared to the main creation worker09:51
shardyhkominos: Yes, that can't really be fixed because get_file is resolved in the client, and get_param is resolved (later) in the server09:51
hkominosok thx!09:51
therveshardy, That said, I think we're out of quick wins, so anything can help.09:52
shardyhkominos: a workarounds is to put the get_file into a nested template, which can be easily substituted by changing a resource_registry alias in the environment (instead of your init_script_name parameter09:52
hkominosthx. I will check it out!09:53
shardyhkominos: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/template_guide/environment.html#mapping-resources09:53
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TripplerI have an autoscaling group defined where the OS::Nova::Server resource is defined in its own file, linked through the resource_registry in the environment file. The instance has defined {get_param: "OS::stack_id"} as metadata, but upon creation it gets a different id from the stack. Everything in the main HOT file gets the correct id. Is this intended behaviour?11:06
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TripplerThis is on Mitaka. Removing the metadata line removes the property from the created instance; and with the line it gets *an* id - just not the correct one. The line I'm using in the properties is 'metadata: {"metering.stack": {get_param: "OS::stack_id"}}' which by my logic should give the stack id, and not a new random id.11:11
therveTrippler, I *think* so. You need to pass OS::stack_id as a property of your group. Using get_param in the file retrieves the local stack id, not the main one11:12
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therveSee https://github.com/openstack/heat-templates/blob/master/hot/autoscaling.yaml#L7911:13
TripplerHmm, alright - then I have misunderstood that part slightly - do you happen to have any good links on how to pass properties to resources?11:13
TripplerThat is basically what I was following, but put the instance definition into its own file.11:14
therveThis also has the instance definition in its own file :)11:14
thervetype: lb_server.yaml11:14
TripplerAh yes, I will try some more things. Thanks for your help!11:15
therveNo problem11:15
hkominoshello again openstackers. quick question.11:22
hkominosI have a cloud-init script which adds users. (and does not have teh default user). IS it possible in the heat template to specify the user which will be associated with the ssh key which will be inserted by openstack?11:23
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thervehkominos, So, AFAIU openstack doesn't associate the key to a user. It makes the key available to the instance via metadata11:31
thervecloudinit is the thing associating the key11:31
hkominosSo if I insert a cloud -init script i must somehow manage this inserted key in the script?11:37
openstackgerritDmitriy Uvarenkov proposed openstack/heat: Add OS::Aodh::EventAlarm resource  https://review.openstack.org/38105711:41
thervehkominos, I think if you mark one of the user as "default" it should use that one for the key11:45
hkominosis that even possible? I cant see it as an option the docs!11:46
therveWell, cloudinit docs are not super great11:46
therveBut that's what https://git.launchpad.net/cloud-init/tree/cloudinit/distros/__init__.py#n935 seems to tell me11:47
hkominosusers:  - name: master    default: true11:49
hkominossomething like this?11:49
therveYeah11:49
hkominoslets try. I think i did that yesterday and it did not work. I ll try again11:49
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openstackgerritDmitriy Uvarenkov proposed openstack/heat: Add OS::Aodh::EventAlarm resource  https://review.openstack.org/38105711:56
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hkominosok the default tag did not work12:15
hkominosalthough it should have12:15
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therveOK, then I don't know. You can surely do what you want with a script12:16
hkominosTrue. It is just this is weird behaviour. The ssh key just does not get inserted for no reason :P12:18
therveWell there is probably a reason. Cloud-init devs may know it.12:19
thervehkominos, You can try with the default_user section too maybe12:19
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openstackgerritPeter Razumovsky proposed openstack/python-heatclient: Fix help string for osc resource show <resource>  https://review.openstack.org/38547913:40
openstackgerritPeter Razumovsky proposed openstack/python-heatclient: Fix help string for osc resource show <resource>  https://review.openstack.org/38547913:41
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therveshardy, Something that will *not* improve memory, but may improve perf a bit, is enabling caching13:55
therveIt can speed up some operations, and if you use the memcache backend it won't be a memory hit13:55
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shardytherve: ack, that sounds like it's worth trying13:56
shardytherve: did you have a wip patch for you OS::Heat::Value stuff somewhere?13:56
shardyI was interested in following up on that so we don't break if/when the output validation patches land13:57
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therveshardy, http://paste.openstack.org/show/585460/13:57
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therveThe output validation ought to happen after complete, AFAIU13:58
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shardytherve: thanks13:58
openstackgerritDmitriy Uvarenkov proposed openstack/heat: Add OS::Sahara::Job resource  https://review.openstack.org/23108013:59
rawanhHow can we run   HieraDeployment:     type: OS::Heat::StructuredDeployment on all servers in the current deployment ?14:02
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therverawanh, Can you clarify "current deployment"?14:03
rawanhtherve, if we have an already deployed overcloud env, and i'm running a new overcloud deployment over another set of servers, can i tell the heat to run this OS::Heat::StructuredDeployment on all servers id's in this deployment14:05
therveIt's still not really clear, but anyway14:06
therverawanh, Use a StructuredDeploymentGroup and pass the servers in the corresponding property14:07
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rawanhtherve, ok, what if i don't know the servers ids ? or I don't want to count and list? is there something that would tell heat, do it to all servers ?14:09
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therverawanh, If you had been more clear I could have told you :)14:10
therveBut either your are in the same stack/template, and you can pass reference around14:10
therveOr you need to pass them as parameters14:10
rawanhthreve, how can we pass like a reference around to all servers ids in the stack/template ?14:12
therveTrack them14:13
therveThere is nothing magic that will get them for you14:13
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rawanhtherve, excuse me for my questions but i'm a little bit a beginner in this, what is the command that shows the servers ids before overcloud deployment ?14:16
therverawanh, I don't know14:19
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rawanhtherve, ok thank you14:20
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zanebshardy: fwiw, afaik get_param works fine inside get_file, as long as you explicitly upload all of the possible files. it's the automatic including of files from the client that doesn't work14:27
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shardyzaneb: Yup, my point was that the client doesn't know how to resolve the get_param so it's likely the files will be missing from the files map14:28
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openstackgerritDmitriy Uvarenkov proposed openstack/heat: Add get_job_executions_by_id to sahara client  https://review.openstack.org/38550514:44
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ramishrahi all, weekly meeting in 10 mins at #openstack-meeting-4. agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282016-10-12_1500_UTC.2914:52
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ramishrazaneb, shardy, skraynev, Qiming meeting time.15:02
zanebthanks :)15:03
ramishraduvarenkov, huangtianhua ^^^15:03
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thervezaneb, yaql is definitely a good culprit on the memory usage16:03
therveConsidering how simple things like contexts improve stuff16:03
therveI don't have a strong number, though16:03
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zanebI knew we would regret adding yaql16:05
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zanebI didn't know this would be why though. what is it doing that chews up so much RAM?16:06
therveUsing python :/16:08
therveOne ocata goal would be to see what tripleo is doing with yaql, and replace it with regular hot functions16:10
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openstackgerritSteve Baker proposed openstack/heat: Pass insecure and ca_certificate option for cfn transport  https://review.openstack.org/28595922:15
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openstackgerritSteve Baker proposed openstack/heat: Pass insecure and ca_certificate option for cfn transport  https://review.openstack.org/28595922:39
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/heat: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/38565422:46
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