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| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed openstack/heat: Fix a small nit https://review.openstack.org/405066 | 02:45 |
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| ramishra | around? | 03:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rabi Mishra proposed openstack/heat: Use both domain id and name https://review.openstack.org/405102 | 06:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Don't return the signed queue URL from get_resource https://review.openstack.org/404833 | 10:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Make the name of a Zaqar queue optional https://review.openstack.org/404834 | 10:50 |
| therve | Woa gate is in a usable state | 10:56 |
| therve | Quick approve everything | 10:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Thomas Herve proposed openstack/heat: Remove db.api wrapper https://review.openstack.org/388723 | 10:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Fix a small nit https://review.openstack.org/405066 | 12:37 |
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| magicboiz | hi everyone | 12:42 |
| magicboiz | I have a strange problem: I ask heat-api though the publicURL using https about a resource/stack, but heat-api replies with an URL pointing to the publicURL without https | 12:44 |
| magicboiz | paste.openstack.org/show/591102/ | 12:44 |
| magicboiz | any idea on whats going on? thanks in advance :) | 12:45 |
| magicboiz | If my public catalog/endpoint are all based on https, why heat-api refers to http for public endpoint? | 12:45 |
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| ramishra | magicboiz: do you have heat-api behind a ssl terminator? | 12:55 |
| ramishra | magicboiz: if yes, then this should help https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1630778 | 12:56 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1630778 in heat "Heat not respecting request scheme in Newton" [Undecided,Invalid] | 12:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rabi Mishra proposed openstack/heat: Add more gabbi REST API tests https://review.openstack.org/404053 | 13:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Rabi Mishra proposed openstack/heat: Add gabbi tests for resource REST API https://review.openstack.org/404054 | 13:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Rabi Mishra proposed openstack/heat: Initial heat REST API tests with gabbi https://review.openstack.org/348076 | 13:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Rabi Mishra proposed openstack/heat: Use keystone session for zaqar client https://review.openstack.org/405361 | 13:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rabi Mishra proposed openstack/heat: Use keystone session with zaqar client plugin https://review.openstack.org/405361 | 13:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rabi Mishra proposed openstack/heat: Add more gabbi REST API tests https://review.openstack.org/404053 | 13:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Rabi Mishra proposed openstack/heat: Add gabbi tests for resource REST API https://review.openstack.org/404054 | 13:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Rabi Mishra proposed openstack/heat: Initial heat REST API tests with gabbi https://review.openstack.org/348076 | 13:50 |
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| magicboiz | ramishra: I have haproxy configured to publish the publicURL. By my public catalog/endpoints are all configured with https. Why heat use http? | 14:43 |
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| magicboiz | ramishra: I'll try with enable_proxy_headers_parsing = true and let you know. Thanks | 14:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed openstack/heat: Use pydoc for formatting docstrings https://review.openstack.org/373433 | 14:45 |
| magicboiz | ramishra: it works, thanks. But (sorry) I don't understand this behaviour.... :( | 14:52 |
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| therve | magicboiz, Heat needs to know it's behind SSL. This config is the way to tell him. | 14:56 |
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| franza | After upgrading Heat to Newton, I am receiving the following error message: ERROR: Address "" doesn't have required URL scheme | 17:10 |
| franza | Any ideas of what's going on? | 17:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed openstack/heat: Add an OS::Zaqar::MistralTrigger resource type https://review.openstack.org/404440 | 18:45 |
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| nicodemus_ | hello | 19:11 |
| nicodemus_ | I have a doubt: suppose I deploy a stack that among its resources, it creates an AODH alarm to be used in a scaling group. If at a later time I'd like to alter the alarm threshold I should modify the HOT and re-deploy the stack, correct? | 19:14 |
| nicodemus_ | Or is it possible to alter the AODH alarm threshold without re-deploying the stack? | 19:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed openstack/heat: Use __slots__ for dependencies.Node https://review.openstack.org/405628 | 20:55 |
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| EmilienM | I've looked in heat/engine/resources/openstack/cinder/volume.py and I see it's possible to create a volume from a backup, using backup_id. Though I don't see a way to create a backup from a heat template. Did I miss something? if not, is it in the roadmap or WIP? | 21:43 |
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| EmilienM | I see zaneb -2 the spec that was implementing it https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196327/ | 21:44 |
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| EmilienM | and therefore the patch with code https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195056/ | 21:44 |
| zaneb | enthusiastically | 21:45 |
| EmilienM | zaneb: why do you think it's a bad idea to perform volume backups from heat template? | 21:45 |
| EmilienM | my question is very dumb, please bear with me :) | 21:46 |
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| zaneb | because resources are nouns and performing a volume backup is a verb | 21:48 |
| EmilienM | zaneb: a backup is a noun | 21:49 |
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| EmilienM | like a server | 21:49 |
| EmilienM | performing a server is also a verb and you can do it in heat | 21:49 |
| * mwhahaha performs I'm a little server | 21:50 | |
| zaneb | it's true that a backup image is a noun, and you could think of it that way. I'm just not convinced that's a useful way of managing them (see my comment on the spec) | 21:51 |
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| EmilienM | zaneb: I'm curious to see a -2 just because you are not convinced | 21:52 |
| EmilienM | it sounds tough to me | 21:52 |
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| EmilienM | specially coming from a new contributor (it was his first contribution in OpenStack) | 21:53 |
| EmilienM | what a nice way to say welcome :-( | 21:53 |
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| zaneb | EmilienM: gotta disagree with you there. -2 is not a value judgement | 21:55 |
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| EmilienM | zaneb: -2 a spec is closing an open discussion, isn't? | 21:55 |
| EmilienM | -1 is giving a (negative) judgement imho | 21:56 |
| zaneb | I don't mislead contributors into thinking things that are never going to get merged might get merged, because that's disrespectful of their time | 21:56 |
| EmilienM | anyway, I needed it in tripleo and I can't do it | 21:56 |
| zaneb | EmilienM: what do you need it for? | 21:56 |
| EmilienM | zaneb: I'm working on TripleO CI scenarios and I would like to test Cinder Backup and as you might know, we use pingtest (using heat template) to create resources like a tripleo user and see how things work | 21:57 |
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| EmilienM | I wanted to create a volume, then a backup from it | 21:57 |
| EmilienM | the use case is really here | 21:57 |
| EmilienM | I'm a use who create a volume from an image, encrypt the volume and start a VM from this volume | 21:57 |
| EmilienM | and I want a backup of this volume (in case my VM crash) | 21:57 |
| EmilienM | the only missing piece here is aobut creating the backup from the volume. | 21:58 |
| zaneb | a backup when? | 21:58 |
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| randallburt | If the "backup" was some sort of artifact like a job or something that was done periodically and you could create that artifact in Cinder then it would make sense, but to take a 1 time backup during a stack operation doesn't make much sense | 21:58 |
| EmilienM | when the server is spawned | 21:58 |
| randallburt | what happens on update? | 21:58 |
| mwhahaha | post server spawning i want to take a back | 21:58 |
| mwhahaha | backup | 21:58 |
| mwhahaha | so i can revert,it makes sense as a thing | 21:58 |
| * zaneb scratches head | 21:59 | |
| EmilienM | yeah, like my VM is clean I want a backup | 21:59 |
| mwhahaha | i launch my cluster and do an initial backup | 21:59 |
| EmilienM | mwhahaha: you got it, thx | 21:59 |
| zaneb | I don't get it... the image you just spawned from is also clean? | 21:59 |
| mwhahaha | after i do my software configs and such | 21:59 |
| randallburt | but wouldn't just deleting and recreating the server do the same thing? | 21:59 |
| EmilienM | yeah, when the VM boots, it runs ansible to setup some things | 21:59 |
| randallburt | you don't want a backup then. you want an image | 22:00 |
| EmilienM | randallburt: no, a backup | 22:00 |
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| EmilienM | something I can attach to another VM | 22:00 |
| EmilienM | a volume | 22:00 |
| mwhahaha | some people don't want to recreate everything and just want a point in time | 22:00 |
| randallburt | like an image | 22:00 |
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| zaneb | randallburt: lol | 22:01 |
| mwhahaha | but i don't want the server, just the cinder volume | 22:01 |
| mwhahaha | maybe i have extra volumes | 22:01 |
| * mwhahaha shrugs | 22:01 | |
| mwhahaha | just because you don't use it doesn't mean it's not useful to epople | 22:02 |
| randallburt | so you just want to lay down a file system outside of the root and mount that over and over? | 22:02 |
| EmilienM | mwhahaha: well, in my case it would be very useful | 22:02 |
| randallburt | its not that at all mwhahaha | 22:02 |
| randallburt | its trying to understand why existing features won't solve the problem | 22:02 |
| randallburt | your nick makes me sound nepharious | 22:02 |
| mwhahaha | i mean it would be nicer to have a proper construct rather than just having people run random softwareconfig tasks to do this | 22:02 |
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| mwhahaha | er typoed oh well | 22:03 |
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| randallburt | but you don't have to. you can build an image | 22:03 |
| mwhahaha | but i don't want an image | 22:03 |
| mwhahaha | i only want a volume | 22:03 |
| randallburt | but you're saying that its not the os, its the file system | 22:03 |
| randallburt | other than the root one, I assume | 22:03 |
| mwhahaha | database volume or something | 22:04 |
| mwhahaha | yea | 22:04 |
| mwhahaha | maybe my cdn content for my web app or something | 22:04 |
| mwhahaha | i don't know, it's cinder | 22:04 |
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| zaneb | EmilienM: so the intended solution here is a post-create hook on your ansible deployment, pump hook notifications to a zaqar queue and use a zaqar notification to trigger a mistral workflow that does the backup | 22:05 |
| randallburt | right, and if cinder actually supported laying down a non-os image on a volume, then I bet it would be an easier sell for Heat | 22:05 |
| EmilienM | zaneb: lol, I hope it was a joke | 22:05 |
| randallburt | zaneb: lol | 22:05 |
| zaneb | it was not | 22:05 |
| randallburt | zaneb: I lol'd even if it wasn't | 22:05 |
| * EmilienM remembers zaneb has good jokes! | 22:06 | |
| randallburt | that does seem hoop-jumpy | 22:06 |
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| randallburt | but not because of Heat but because I can't lay down an existing file system onto a cinder volume that isn't bootable | 22:06 |
| zaneb | agreed, but it is also much more general | 22:06 |
| randallburt | maybe this is crazy, but what about pushing a tar or dd image of the fs to swift and just grabbing it from there? | 22:07 |
| randallburt | we'd need an OS::Swift::Object resource, but we probably should have that anyway | 22:07 |
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| randallburt | crickets. guess it was crazy | 22:10 |
| mwhahaha | this seems like a lot of complex workarounds | 22:10 |
| * mwhahaha shrugs | 22:11 | |
| zaneb | randallburt: that sounds like the same thing except with lots of network traffic and extra storage | 22:11 |
| EmilienM | crickets because I'm done, you don't seem to understand what we want, it I won't spend more time | 22:11 |
| randallburt | no, I think we understand, we just aren't convinced the proposed solution is appropriate | 22:11 |
| randallburt | for Heat anyway | 22:11 |
| zaneb | EmilienM: so describe to me the steps involved in restoring the backup | 22:12 |
| mwhahaha | the spec wasn't for a restore | 22:12 |
| mwhahaha | it was just the create/delete | 22:12 |
| mwhahaha | an action to result in a thing | 22:12 |
| randallburt | its the "action" that's the sticking part. | 22:12 |
| zaneb | mwhahaha: I'm aware of that | 22:12 |
| mwhahaha | why is the action the sticking part? | 22:13 |
| randallburt | heat resources aren't actions. they're things | 22:13 |
| mwhahaha | so a backup is the thing | 22:13 |
| zaneb | mwhahaha: because Heat doesn't model actions. Mistral does | 22:13 |
| mwhahaha | it results in a concreat thing | 22:13 |
| zaneb | mwhahaha: right, now describe to me how to do something useful with that concrete thing, like restore the backup | 22:13 |
| mwhahaha | but that's an action, it isn't talking about that | 22:14 |
| mwhahaha | so you're arguing no backups cause it's an action because you want to restore | 22:14 |
| mwhahaha | but the ask wasn't for the restore | 22:14 |
| mwhahaha | it was just for the backup and that's it | 22:14 |
| mwhahaha | me, mr operator wants heat do build my stack and have a cinderbackup as part of it | 22:15 |
| mwhahaha | that's it | 22:15 |
| mwhahaha | my reasons are my own and i'll deal with the backup outside of heat | 22:15 |
| mwhahaha | but i want a backup | 22:15 |
| mwhahaha | so you want me to run heat, wait til it's done and then backup later thouhgt some other method | 22:16 |
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| zaneb | mwhahaha: ok, so you sort-of answered the question inadvertently. once you've created the "thing" you can't actually do anything with it in Heat. you have to deal with it outside of Heat's data model. because it's not really a thing, it's a place to hang an action | 22:17 |
| zaneb | and that's the problem | 22:17 |
| mwhahaha | to me softwareconfig falls in the same category | 22:18 |
| mwhahaha | it could have output and be usable or not | 22:18 |
| zaneb | I agree, and I don't love it. SoftwareComponent is a lot better, it has different deployments for different stages of the lifecycle | 22:19 |
| zaneb | if Docker had been more mature in 2013 I think we would have said the only type of software config allowed is a container | 22:21 |
| mwhahaha | let me noodle the cinder backup/restore thing. I think it should be there but you guys are probably right that it needs a more concrete use case | 22:21 |
| zaneb | the bottom line is that there are always plenty of people with something they need done, and they think that Heat should do it because it exists and they are already using it | 22:22 |
| zaneb | however if it doesn't fit with the data model then it is always a mistake | 22:22 |
| zaneb | we have learned this many times | 22:22 |
| zaneb | that's why I -2'd the spec | 22:22 |
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| mwhahaha | i guess the argument for the backups is part of a life cycle thing for the data itself | 22:26 |
| mwhahaha | so you want to go from 1 db to 2 dbs, pause db 1, backup, restore, build db2 from the backup | 22:27 |
| * mwhahaha shrugs | 22:27 | |
| mwhahaha | yea it could fall into mistral, but if heat is orchestration/scaling then that would be something you'd want as part of that kinda action | 22:28 |
| mwhahaha | and by build db2 from the backup I mean build db 2 and attach the data | 22:29 |
| randallburt | I think that including scaling directly in Heat is one of the mistakes that make zaneb reticent to including things that sound like it again | 22:30 |
| mwhahaha | sure makes sense it's very complex | 22:30 |
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| randallburt | so db1 and db2 are logically different databases but share the same initial data? | 22:30 |
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| mwhahaha | read slave | 22:30 |
| mwhahaha | sure | 22:30 |
| mwhahaha | or something | 22:31 |
| randallburt | not to belabor the point, but shouldn't the dbms take care of that? | 22:31 |
| mwhahaha | no? | 22:31 |
| randallburt | most modern mature ones do | 22:31 |
| mwhahaha | if you use galera,it's part of it. but it's faster to clone the db sometimes using the storage backend then rsync | 22:31 |
| mwhahaha | when you talk about multi TB | 22:31 |
| randallburt | k, not my bailiwick so I'll take that on faith. | 22:32 |
| zaneb | mwhahaha: nobody wants to edit their templates to move stuff around, like change the volume definition of a server to a backup. least of all tripleo, which refuses to even generate different templates for all of the different topologies it supports | 22:35 |
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| mwhahaha | you might be right, i just think the argument needed to be a little more clearly defined that's all. Any of these features probably should also include some reaching out to users to see if they'd actually use it. | 22:42 |
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| mwhahaha | you're right that a cinder backup doesn't really fall under the deployment of 'cloud applications' | 22:42 |
| mwhahaha | maybe for the occasional lifecycle stuff but not the regular deployment so a mistal thing could make more sense | 22:43 |
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