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| kazsh_ | e0ne; thanks for your patch, will check it soon. | 01:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kazunori Shinohara proposed openstack/heat-dashboard master: Drop mox3 from TemplateVersionsTests https://review.openstack.org/563924 | 01:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat-dashboard master: Drop mox3 from TemplateVersionsTests https://review.openstack.org/563924 | 02:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kazunori Shinohara proposed openstack/heat-dashboard master: Drop mox3 from ResourceTypesTests https://review.openstack.org/563963 | 03:06 |
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| kazsh_ | Hi Heat Cores, please re-review my patch for Blazar support, thank you. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/534576/ | 03:52 |
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| ricolin | kazsh_, sure! | 04:15 |
| kazsh_ | ricolin: thank you very much !! | 04:15 |
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| ricolin | looks like queens is broken before https://review.openstack.org/#/c/562455/ landed | 08:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | chenge proposed openstack/heat master: Amend the spelling error of a word https://review.openstack.org/572704 | 08:52 |
| ramishra | ricolin: yeah, python-novaclient upper constraints have changed for queens:/ https://github.com/openstack/requirements/commit/7e56111ccd0144f2592379d04b355dc0361d3b75#diff-0bdd949ed8a7fdd4f95240bd951779c8 which includes the api removal patch https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/python-novaclient/commit/?id=01fb16533bf562f39fe822bc12b9cc34b8580359 | 08:52 |
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| ramishra | we need to land those patches now | 08:53 |
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| ricolin | ramishra, also I have talked with Tony from stable team in Summit about the criteria to been nominate as stable core. | 09:05 |
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| ricolin | They think as long as we can provide comments shows our review standard even with +1, it's fine if all our review are +1s. | 09:05 |
| ricolin | appears that's what we have to do if we want more stable cores :/ | 09:07 |
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| ramishra | ricolin: I know.. they need stats and review quality;) We seem to be ok with 2 active stable cores we've atm. If there is any backlog, we should push them to the stable maintenance core team to review:) | 09:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Akihiro Motoki proposed openstack/heat-dashboard master: Django 2.0 support https://review.openstack.org/567591 | 11:47 |
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| zaneb | ramishra: we don't have 2 active stable cores, and we are not OK. we need more stable cores | 13:16 |
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| ramishra | zaneb: Did I count it wrong?:) you and shardy managing the stable reviews so far. As it is, We don't have enough reviewers for master:) | 13:19 |
| zaneb | Steve has been helping with stuff when I ping him for urgent stuff, but we should have people who are active cores that can review stuff as it comes in | 13:21 |
| zaneb | I agree we also need more cores on master, but at least we can land stuff on master | 13:21 |
| ricolin | zaneb, how about that idea to propose allow core to approve patch when it's proposed by another core | 13:23 |
| ricolin | I like that idea:) | 13:23 |
| zaneb | ricolin: for master? yeah, I think it's time to do that. we should discuss it in the meeting | 13:23 |
| ricolin | zaneb, sure, is it something we need to propose in TC policy or we can just do it if team agree on? | 13:25 |
| zaneb | we can just do it | 13:25 |
| zaneb | I believe | 13:25 |
| ramishra | zaneb: the guidelines/practice vs reality in projects is completely different, may be we need to help the stable maint cores to understand that | 13:25 |
| ramishra | so that we have more flexibility in adding a few stable cores, IMHO | 13:26 |
| zaneb | ramishra: the stable maint guidelines have recently changed | 13:26 |
| zaneb | also, I don't think the problem has ever been that we weren't following the guidelines. the problem has been that there's no non-cores doing regular reviews that we can propose to the stable-maint team to be added as cores | 13:27 |
| zaneb | ramishra: https://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/stable-branches.html "All bugfixes are appropriate" | 13:28 |
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| zaneb | so literally all you have to do is leave a bunch of comments that say "+1 this is a bugfix and therefore appropriate for backport" | 13:29 |
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| ramishra | zaneb: So if it's so basic, I don't know why stats matter, the existing project cores can be expected to follow that;) but anyway.. | 13:32 |
| zaneb | that is a recent change, so it may be worth asking that question | 13:33 |
| therve | We should just remove ourselves from the stable tag | 13:34 |
| zaneb | therve: I don't think that sends the right message to our users | 13:34 |
| therve | zaneb: Does it send a message at all? | 13:35 |
| therve | It's a just a line in a doc somewhere | 13:35 |
| zaneb | specifically this doc https://www.openstack.org/software/releases/queens/components/heat | 13:36 |
| therve | Yeah | 13:38 |
| therve | It doesn't even show up if you don't follow it :) | 13:38 |
| zaneb | I was gonna say it affects the maturity score, but those seem to have disappeared | 13:39 |
| ricolin | I think the `is maintained following the common Stable branch policy` will be No if we don't follow:/ | 13:39 |
| therve | ricolin: No it's just not there | 13:40 |
| therve | https://www.openstack.org/software/releases/queens/components/mistral eg | 13:40 |
| ricolin | therve, I'm actually surprise mistral didn't marked as stable | 13:42 |
| ricolin | they did that in purpose? | 13:42 |
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| ricolin | #startmeeting heat | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 6 14:00:17 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ricolin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 14:00 |
| ricolin | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: heat)" | 14:00 | |
| zaneb | o/ | 14:00 |
| ricolin | o/ | 14:00 |
| kazsh_ | o/ | 14:00 |
| ricolin | kazsh_, sorry didn't review your patch yet, but will do it right after meeting! | 14:01 |
| kazsh_ | ricolin: no worries, mate & thanks! | 14:01 |
| ricolin | ramishra, therve ? | 14:02 |
| ramishra | hi | 14:02 |
| ricolin | #topic adding items to agenda | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "adding items to agenda (Meeting topic: heat)" | 14:03 | |
| ricolin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282018-06-06_1400_UTC.29 | 14:03 |
| ricolin | #topic Vancouver Summit | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Vancouver Summit (Meeting topic: heat)" | 14:04 | |
| ricolin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-June/131221.html | 14:04 |
| ricolin | I send a ML for video and slide link from summit sessions | 14:05 |
| ricolin | also the user feedback etherpad | 14:05 |
| ricolin | We seems got a lot of require by users | 14:05 |
| ricolin | at least every user I ask are using heat in some interesting way:) | 14:06 |
| ricolin | ramishra, there was user asking about swift backend for heat template:) | 14:07 |
| ricolin | Also some requirement for multi cloud and improve our ASG | 14:08 |
| ricolin | anyway that's what I got from Summit | 14:08 |
| ricolin | #topic Review policy for Heat cores | 14:08 |
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| ricolin | zaneb proposed to change our review policy with allow a core to directly approve patch when it's proposed by another core. | 14:09 |
| ricolin | Any idea on that? | 14:10 |
| zaneb | with only 4 active cores, who are also doing most of the development, 75% of us have to be involved to get a patch in at the moment | 14:11 |
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| zaneb | that seems like too high a bar to get anything done | 14:11 |
| therve | I'd say, on all patches then | 14:12 |
| ricolin | ramishra, what you think | 14:13 |
| ramishra | +1, unless the patch is too complex | 14:14 |
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| ricolin | +1 from me too | 14:14 |
| ramishra | I mean more eyes is always good, but we've limitations:) | 14:14 |
| zaneb | ramishra: yeah, it's never compulsory to approve a patch after you've +2d (even if there is already a +2). you can always wait for more feedback if you think it's warranted | 14:15 |
| ramishra | zaneb: yep | 14:15 |
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| zaneb | therve: by 'all patches' do you mean including patches from non-cores? | 14:15 |
| therve | zaneb: Yeah | 14:16 |
| zaneb | therve: that feels like a bigger step. this is just saying 'we assume you reviewed your own patch before submitting it/clearing Workflow-1" | 14:17 |
| ramishra | I mean if the core feels like approving with only him/her reviewing, it should be fine, no? | 14:17 |
| zaneb | let's try this out first rather than jump straight to 'only 1 +2 required to merge' | 14:18 |
| therve | ok | 14:18 |
| zaneb | unless it's trivial of course. we already approve trivial patches with a single +2 (at least I do) | 14:18 |
| ricolin | I think trivial patch not limited:) | 14:19 |
| ricolin | Wonder if we can also apply this new policy to our stable branch review? | 14:19 |
| ramishra | I think we should approve stable patches with only one stable core revewing as an agreed policy from now on | 14:20 |
| ricolin | ramishra, yeah | 14:21 |
| ramishra | unless stable maint team makes noise about it;) | 14:21 |
| ricolin | I remember stable-maintain-cores once mention they willing to direct provide +2 if any of our stable core +2ed, which sounds like what allow directly a single core policy:) | 14:21 |
| zaneb | ramishra: and by 'we' you mean me, right? ;) | 14:21 |
| ricolin | zaneb, yes! | 14:21 |
| ramishra | zaneb: exactly:) | 14:21 |
| ricolin | zaneb, that obvious? | 14:22 |
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| zaneb | I'm happy to do that (and often end up doing that anyway) | 14:22 |
| zaneb | there's still a problem for stable backports that I submit | 14:22 |
| zaneb | somebody needs to review those | 14:22 |
| therve | Yeah just stop doing that :) | 14:23 |
| zaneb | so I would appreciate it if y'all could do +1s on stable reviews so that I can nominate more people for stable core | 14:23 |
| zaneb | therve: stop doing backports myself? | 14:23 |
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| therve | Yeah | 14:24 |
| ricolin | zaneb, will try to keep that in mind | 14:24 |
| zaneb | therve: if you're volunteering, I'm fine with that ;) | 14:24 |
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| ricolin | since all agree, I assume we can close this topic now | 14:25 |
| ramishra | zaneb: yeah we can manage that, it's not that difficult to handle with gerrit UI support for backports unless there are conflicts | 14:26 |
| zaneb | ricolin: should we put some #agreed things in the minutes? | 14:26 |
| ricolin | zaneb, right | 14:26 |
| ricolin | #agreed team aggree to allow core reviewer to directly approved on patches what was proposed by another core | 14:27 |
| ricolin | #agreed in stable branch, single stable core can directly approve patches | 14:28 |
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| ricolin | therve, ramishra zaneb sounds right? ^^^ | 14:28 |
| zaneb | yep | 14:28 |
| ricolin | BTW zaneb queens gate is broken and need this backport https://review.openstack.org/#/c/562455 | 14:29 |
| ricolin | :) | 14:29 |
| ricolin | two patches actually:) | 14:29 |
| zaneb | I just +2d them earlier, but I guess I can approve now :) | 14:29 |
| zaneb | I suspect those patches will need to be squashed together to pass the gate now though | 14:29 |
| ricolin | zaneb, cheers for the sudo power:) | 14:30 |
| ricolin | Move on | 14:30 |
| zaneb | apparently I am not allowed to do that myself, so... | 14:30 |
| ricolin | haha | 14:30 |
| ricolin | #topic Credential in Multi-Cloud | 14:30 |
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| ricolin | As we plan to work on multi-cloud in this release, would like to collect idea on what we should deal with credential. I working on using clouds.yaml to record provider information for other clouds https://docs.openstack.org/os-client-config/latest/user/configuration.html . | 14:31 |
| ricolin | Ops input cloud provider name and barbican id(from remote side). | 14:32 |
| ricolin | Pregenerate clouds.yaml file with cloud auth info. Use that auth to talk to another cloud (in future it can be a application credential with only limited to access to heat stack operations). | 14:32 |
| ricolin | Remote Heat receive API to create Stack, and use that stored barbican credential to refresh context with actual user credential | 14:32 |
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| ricolin | Try to working on spec and POC right now, would like to learn if that sound like the right track or not | 14:33 |
| ricolin | zaneb, ideas? | 14:33 |
| zaneb | s/actual user credential/token/ | 14:34 |
| zaneb | but yes, that sounds correct | 14:34 |
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| ricolin | cool | 14:36 |
| zaneb | ideally we should support any sort of credential (password, application credential, &c.) that a user can use with the SDK and clouds.yaml/secrets.yaml | 14:36 |
| zaneb | we use that to grab a token from the remote cloud's auth_url, and we go from there | 14:36 |
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| ricolin | when you mean by grab a token, you mean as a heat service to greb a token to access to another heat service right? | 14:38 |
| ricolin | zaneb, try to figure out if I can do better in protect any credential | 14:38 |
| zaneb | that's what we're getting a token for, yes. at the time we're getting the token, we just get it from keystone, it doesn't know what we're going to use it for | 14:39 |
| ricolin | zaneb, yeah, and once Application credential allow only access to single API, we can try to use that instead acquire a token with full power | 14:41 |
| zaneb | ricolin: we don't have to do anything. the *user* can give us a locked down credential | 14:41 |
| ricolin | fair enough, just have to make sure os client config allow taht credential, everything should be the same | 14:43 |
| zaneb | as long as we allow app creds in general, then we can't tell the difference | 14:43 |
| ricolin | zaneb, true | 14:44 |
| ricolin | will try to working on more detail and keep you all sync! | 14:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Harald Jensås proposed openstack/heat master: Allow updating the segment property of OS::Neutron::Subnet https://review.openstack.org/567206 | 14:45 |
| ricolin | okay, let's move on | 14:46 |
| ricolin | didn't put this is agenda, but I think maybe we can talk about long term support? | 14:46 |
| ricolin | I mean Extended Maintenance | 14:46 |
| ricolin | #topic Open discussion | 14:47 |
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| ricolin | Do we have anything to discuss about that? | 14:47 |
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| zaneb | I can give an update about Extended Maintenance if you want? | 14:47 |
| ricolin | zaneb, sure | 14:48 |
| zaneb | basically this is the new policy: https://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/stable-branches.html | 14:48 |
| zaneb | so stable branches are open for all bugfixes for 18 months | 14:48 |
| zaneb | they remain open after that as long as someone is maintaining them | 14:49 |
| zaneb | (gate is not broken, patches still get reviewed) | 14:49 |
| zaneb | if they've been unmaintained for 6 months we'll call them EOL | 14:49 |
| zaneb | but iirc we're no longer going to delete the branch and replace it with a -eol tag | 14:49 |
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| zaneb | oh, also no releases after the first 18 months | 14:50 |
| zaneb | so downstreams can co-operate on backporting patches, but they'll have to grab them from git not a tarball | 14:51 |
| ricolin | zaneb, yeah, old branch will all keep in repo now | 14:51 |
| zaneb | (from my perspective, this is what we do in RDO anyway so that wfm) | 14:51 |
| zaneb | any questions? | 14:51 |
| * ricolin raise hand! | 14:51 | |
| zaneb | oh no | 14:52 |
| ricolin | is this actually working well? I mean you mention RDO doing it | 14:52 |
| zaneb | importing patches from git? | 14:52 |
| ricolin | yes | 14:53 |
| ricolin | for old version | 14:53 |
| ricolin | I mean version > 2years | 14:53 |
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| zaneb | we have lots of tooling to make it easy, so yeah. for us it works well. we just rebase on the latest git master instead of the tarball | 14:53 |
| zaneb | tbh ocata is the first branch that is following this, so we don't have any data on that yet | 14:54 |
| ramishra | Is releasing such an overhead? there could have been independent releases if the project teams wants | 14:54 |
| zaneb | but the old way was after the branch was closed, we had to do backports downstream, and so did all the other distros | 14:54 |
| ricolin | I assume you guys will have to do it for Pike eventually | 14:55 |
| zaneb | so the new way is better because everyone can continue to collaborate on backports even after 18 months | 14:55 |
| zaneb | ramishra: I don't think it's about overhead so much as not creating expectations that a series is still supported by upstream, including VMT &c. | 14:56 |
| ricolin | zaneb, we only allow security backport for Old branch, so did that also apply to extended? | 14:56 |
| zaneb | extended maintenance is a sandbox for distros to share work | 14:57 |
| ramishra | zaneb: OK, makes sense | 14:57 |
| zaneb | ricolin: no: "All bugfixes (that meet the criteria described below) are appropriate. No Releases produced, reduced CI commitment." | 14:57 |
| ricolin | right! that rule is changed even for all maintained branch | 14:58 |
| zaneb | correct, it's changed for the entire lifetime of the branch | 14:58 |
| ricolin | let's wait for our first requirement come:) | 14:59 |
| zaneb | actually that doc says at EOL we still delete the branch and tag, so I may have misremembered that bit, or it may just not have been updated since the Forum | 15:00 |
| zaneb | on another topic | 15:00 |
| ricolin | I think only if branch stay in Unmaintained for so long | 15:00 |
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| zaneb | ricolin: yes. that will eventually happen to all branches though | 15:01 |
| zaneb | I posted this yesterday: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-June/131183.html | 15:01 |
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| zaneb | ricolin: we discussed this ^ in the hallways at summit | 15:01 |
| ricolin | zaneb, oh! that cool stuff! | 15:02 |
| zaneb | looking for volunteers | 15:02 |
| * zaneb stares at therve | 15:02 | |
| therve | Hi | 15:02 |
| zaneb | that is all. | 15:03 |
| ricolin | Let's keep that part up to dated! | 15:03 |
| ricolin | we're running out of time | 15:04 |
| ricolin | Thanks all for join | 15:04 |
| ricolin | #endmeeting | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Heat Team (logs: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23heat/)" | 15:04 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 6 15:04:53 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2018/heat.2018-06-06-14.00.html | 15:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2018/heat.2018-06-06-14.00.txt | 15:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2018/heat.2018-06-06-14.00.log.html | 15:04 |
| ramishra | zaneb: I read this article just before your mail https://www.forbes.com/sites/janakirammsv/2018/04/29/kubernetes-and-the-open-service-broker-make-multi-cloud-a-reality/#d909aaa1295c | 15:05 |
| zaneb | good timing :) | 15:07 |
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| ricolin | d'oh! | 15:35 |
| ricolin | ramishra, zaneb therve btw we gonna release rocky-2 this week | 15:36 |
| ricolin | kazsh_, ^^^ | 15:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Harald Jensås proposed openstack/heat master: OS::Nova::Server: Extend addresses attr to include subnets https://review.openstack.org/568960 | 16:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Harald Jensås proposed openstack/heat master: OS::Nova::Server: Extend addresses attr to include network https://review.openstack.org/568961 | 16:24 |
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