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| openstackgerrit | Harald Jensås proposed openstack/heat master: Add segments attribute to OS::Neutron::Net https://review.openstack.org/567207 | 08:11 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/heat-dashboard master: Imported Translations from Zanata https://review.openstack.org/576782 | 08:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed openstack/heat master: Docs: Eliminate warnings in docs generation https://review.openstack.org/553587 | 13:15 |
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| strigazi | zaneb: therve hello, I managed to fix the db configuration for our heat deployment. Having a conservative number of threads helps (4 controllers, 4 procs, 18 threads), going to 36 cause stack creations to fail, not sure why. | 13:44 |
| strigazi | zaneb: therve now the next thing we try to impove is the load on keystone. | 13:44 |
| strigazi | zaneb: therve is there can we do to decrease the load? on the user side, we could use less software deplyments. But is there anything that we can do on the engine config? | 13:46 |
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| zaneb | strigazi: what sort of load are you seeing? are we getting a fresh token for every resource or something? | 13:48 |
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| strigazi | zaneb: I think so, I'm not quite sure about this. For sure when we do a lot of deletions the number of revokations increases a lot | 13:49 |
| strigazi | zaneb: we probably get a fresh token for every resource, how can I check? | 13:50 |
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| zaneb | no idea, I had never thought about it until just now | 13:51 |
| strigazi | also this: Number of call queues is 11, greater than warning threshold: 10. There could be a leak. Increasing threshold to: 20 | 13:53 |
| strigazi | it seems harmless, but I'm trying to cover everything | 13:54 |
| zaneb | that one sounds harmless | 13:55 |
| strigazi | zaneb: atm in magnum we have a few SDs per server which create user, it seems we can improve by putting everything in a single SD | 13:55 |
| zaneb | it's just counting the number of API (or nested stack) requests in flight I think | 13:55 |
| strigazi | also wait handles create users | 13:55 |
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| zaneb | you'd be improving performance at the cost of security | 13:56 |
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| ricolin_ | #startmeeting heat | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 20 14:00:12 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ricolin_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 14:00 |
| ricolin_ | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: heat)" | 14:00 | |
| ramishra | hi | 14:00 |
| ricolin_ | o/ | 14:01 |
| zaneb | o/ | 14:01 |
| strigazi | o/ | 14:01 |
| ricolin_ | #topic adding items to agenda | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "adding items to agenda (Meeting topic: heat)" | 14:01 | |
| ricolin_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282018-06-20_1400_UTC.29 | 14:01 |
| ricolin_ | #topic Auto healing: Heat integrated with Vitrage | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Auto healing: Heat integrated with Vitrage (Meeting topic: heat)" | 14:03 | |
| ricolin_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/self-healing-with-vitrage-mistral-heat | 14:03 |
| ricolin_ | So I'm start talking with Ifat about integrate Vitrage, Mistral and Heat | 14:04 |
| ricolin_ | would like to have guys help on review the plan | 14:05 |
| ricolin_ | I put it in Etherpad | 14:05 |
| zaneb | interesting | 14:05 |
| ricolin_ | interesting in join?:) | 14:06 |
| ricolin_ | the flow from Vitrage looks like this | 14:07 |
| ricolin_ | A precreated monitor detect host/network failure and send a alarm to Vitrage -> Vitrage deduces that the instance is down (based on the topology and based on Vitrage templates [2]) -> Vitrage triggers Mistral to fix the instance -> application is recovered | 14:07 |
| ricolin_ | And we been discuss from Summit about use Heat to wrap all | 14:07 |
| ramishra | isn't this similar to the auto-healing stuff we've other than the source of the alarm vitrage | 14:07 |
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| zaneb | ramishra: sounds like it | 14:08 |
| ramishra | So we just have to do add the vitrage resources, no? | 14:08 |
| ricolin_ | ramishra, similar, but some different, Vitrage can get alarm from external monitor with reduce ability to it's a instance error(maybe) | 14:09 |
| zaneb | sounds like we will get better alarms out of vitrage than we can get out of Aodh though | 14:09 |
| ricolin_ | ramishra, in my mind yes | 14:09 |
| ricolin_ | zaneb, yeah, we use too much Aodh in our template example:) | 14:10 |
| ricolin_ | Ifat probably will send a ML out to collect more idea on this topic and see what people looking forward to see from this | 14:11 |
| ricolin_ | if any idea, please help to adding to the etherpad | 14:11 |
| ramishra | ricolin_: who's going to work on it? :) | 14:11 |
| ricolin_ | ramishra, me, if no other interest | 14:12 |
| ricolin_ | ramishra, Vitrage team will help on create spec for resource | 14:12 |
| ramishra | ricolin_: ok, all yours;) | 14:12 |
| ricolin_ | ramishra, NO~~ | 14:12 |
| zaneb | lol | 14:13 |
| * ricolin_ record zaneb said `interesting`!! | 14:13 | |
| ricolin_ | Since most of work are in Heat, I think Vitrage team will help as well | 14:14 |
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| ricolin_ | let's see if the ML will get more guys interest on it | 14:14 |
| ricolin_ | move on | 14:14 |
| ricolin_ | #topic StarlingX | 14:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "StarlingX (Meeting topic: heat)" | 14:15 | |
| zaneb | ricolin_: http://todayilearned.co.uk/2012/12/04/what-the-british-say-vs-what-they-really-mean/ | 14:15 |
| ricolin_ | ndahiwade, around? | 14:15 |
| ndahiwade | hi ricolin_ | 14:15 |
| ricolin_ | ndahiwade, wow! | 14:15 |
| ricolin_ | ndahiwade, you make it:) | 14:15 |
| ndahiwade | yes I did:) | 14:15 |
| ricolin_ | zaneb, d'oh! | 14:16 |
| ndahiwade | I also asked dtroyer to join, maybe he can introduce the stx upstream effort here | 14:16 |
| ndahiwade | dtroyer, ^^ | 14:17 |
| ricolin_ | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/board/84 | 14:17 |
| ricolin_ | ndahiwade, I create a board to trace those tag with starlingX in heat group | 14:18 |
| zaneb | does that board look empty for everyone or just me? | 14:18 |
| * dtroyer waves | 14:18 | |
| ricolin_ | ndahiwade, so we can trace them all | 14:18 |
| ndahiwade | ricolin_, perfect thanks:) | 14:18 |
| ricolin_ | hi dtroyer | 14:18 |
| ramishra | zaneb: I'm with u:) | 14:18 |
| dtroyer | Hi all | 14:18 |
| ricolin_ | wait | 14:18 |
| zaneb | oh ho, it showed up | 14:19 |
| dtroyer | We are just getting started setting up the upstream process, heat is one of the first | 14:19 |
| zaneb | just takes like 1 minute to load!? | 14:19 |
| dtroyer | I an still waiting on approval from WRS to publish the individual patch files that this work is going to be based on | 14:19 |
| ramishra | I hate storyboard:/ | 14:19 |
| dtroyer | zaneb: yes, it feels really slow on queries | 14:19 |
| zaneb | sounds like a missing index | 14:20 |
| dtroyer | SB will be the source of truth for our work, with linkages into the patch files, Gerrit, LP if necessary, etc | 14:20 |
| ricolin_ | wasn't this slow earlier | 14:20 |
| dtroyer | ricolin_: I first noticed it yesterday... | 14:20 |
| ramishra | dtroyer: We're reviewing the patches as they come, Is there any other expectation? | 14:21 |
| dtroyer | ramishra: no, our intention is to work with the projects using their normal processes | 14:21 |
| dtroyer | In this case, the stories will be filed under heat, etc, and tagged with stx-upstream for tracking | 14:22 |
| ricolin_ | dtroyer, so in long term is stx-heat going to replaced by upstream heat? | 14:22 |
| dtroyer | ricolin_: that is the goal, yes | 14:22 |
| ramishra | dtroyer: sounds good, I've reviewed a few of them earlier.. Did not know they have something to with stx:) | 14:22 |
| ramishra | normal bug fixes | 14:23 |
| zaneb | dtroyer: I think that some of the custom resources might be better to just move into a separate repo | 14:23 |
| dtroyer | ramishra: does that affect how you would consider it? not that we want to hide anything, we don't, but just curious | 14:23 |
| zaneb | but we can discuss that when we get to it | 14:23 |
| ndahiwade | ramishra, I am putting stx_ topic names for those.... | 14:23 |
| dtroyer | zaneb: that is one of the things that we will look for project teams to help with, how best to deal with things that do not get merged but StarlingX consideres important | 14:24 |
| ricolin_ | I hear from ndahiwade about the concern of heat upstream is low-latency, if we can get more specific target(with a story to assign), I think we can start this from both way | 14:24 |
| ricolin_ | dtroyer, ^^^ | 14:24 |
| zaneb | dtroyer: yeah. I mean, Heat is designed to accept external plugins, so from my perspective those can just live out-of-tree and I wouldn't consider it a fork | 14:25 |
| zaneb | I do know that there are some internal changes needed to support those plugins though | 14:25 |
| dtroyer | network latency and throughput are what drove a lot of the changes that WRS made to upstream projects | 14:25 |
| dtroyer | zaneb: cool, I wasn't sure, thanks | 14:25 |
| zaneb | but the ones I've seen I'm fine with in principle (although we may go for a different implementation) | 14:25 |
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| dtroyer | and that is totally fine. my only concern is with backward compatibility for existing Titanium users | 14:26 |
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| zaneb | (I'm thinking in particular about the option to delete newest instead of oldest first on scale down) | 14:27 |
| dtroyer | resource names, etc will likely change, but I would like to not surprise users otherwise | 14:27 |
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| dtroyer | Are there other questions I can answer here? (I may need to go in a few minutes…) | 14:28 |
| ramishra | dtroyer: backward compatibility is a tricky question, IMO we would just treat them as new features if there is any but the best way we would like to implement it | 14:28 |
| zaneb | ramishra: yeah, we'll have to consider it case-by-case | 14:29 |
| dtroyer | ramishra: it is and I expect we will have a number of judgement calls. WRS does tell us that a large percentage of their users already have stacks in production so I don't want to just dismiss that without thought | 14:29 |
| zaneb | from what I've seen nothing looks insurmountable for Heat | 14:29 |
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| zaneb | although TBH I haven't bothered to look as deeply as I would if changes were in separate patches instead of one big blob | 14:30 |
| dtroyer | zaneb: hopeflly I can show you those really soon. :) none of them are actually that large | 14:30 |
| dtroyer | I think we wound up with about 40 total | 14:31 |
| ramishra | I agree with zaneb we would take calls on case-by-case basis | 14:31 |
| ricolin_ | dtroyer, 40 is reasonable, will be better to point out which of them are important for StarlingX | 14:32 |
| dtroyer | ricolin_: WRS considers them all important :) But yes, we will. And ndahiwade has the list for the first batch to get things started | 14:33 |
| ricolin_ | ndahiwade, so you're going to work on this in these few weeks? | 14:33 |
| ndahiwade | ricolin_, yes I will | 14:33 |
| ndahiwade | I have a few small bug_fixes/changes upstream already | 14:34 |
| ndahiwade | I will put in a few more soon | 14:34 |
| zaneb | ndahiwade: if you don't mind me asking, what are Intel's long-term plans for you? will you stick around Heat and try to become a core reviewer, or is your mandate limited to getting these patches landed? | 14:34 |
| dtroyer | I have asked him to start with a few to let us make sure the process is working before going too far down the list | 14:35 |
| ramishra | ricolin_: Not sure, I would probably not have that affecting our decision making process (i.e what's important for StarlingX), though I've not yet fully understood the whole thing. | 14:35 |
| ndahiwade | zaneb, For now it is to get these landed.. | 14:35 |
| zaneb | ok | 14:35 |
| ricolin_ | ndahiwade, super! let's continue to trace those this week, and maybe talk again next meeting so we know what exactly we're looking | 14:36 |
| ndahiwade | ricolin_, sure thanks:) | 14:36 |
| dtroyer | zaneb: I am asking our managers to encourage the folks doing this to also get involved in the projects mora than just these patches, it benefits everyone | 14:36 |
| zaneb | ++ | 14:36 |
| ricolin_ | ndahiwade, dtroyer and we can also help on onboarding people, we needs more cores:) | 14:36 |
| ricolin_ | ramishra, good point | 14:37 |
| ricolin_ | Okay, I think we can move on | 14:38 |
| ricolin_ | #topic Open discussion | 14:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: heat)" | 14:38 | |
| dtroyer | ok guys, I need to go, let me know if you have any other questions or concerns | 14:38 |
| ricolin_ | Any stuff to discuss? | 14:38 |
| dtroyer | thanks! | 14:38 |
| zaneb | thanks dtroyer | 14:38 |
| ricolin_ | dtroyer, thx! | 14:38 |
| ndahiwade | thanks dtroyer :) | 14:38 |
| zaneb | ndahiwade: welcome, btw :) | 14:39 |
| ndahiwade | haha Thanks guys:) | 14:39 |
| zaneb | always happy to have bug fixes | 14:39 |
| ricolin_ | ndahiwade, zaneb also in US too, so feel free to use irc to ping us:) | 14:39 |
| ndahiwade | ricolin_, sure:) | 14:40 |
| zaneb | doubly happy to have bug fixes that have been tested in production by real users | 14:40 |
| ramishra | zaneb: I was wondering why they did not propose these bug fixes upstream earlier. No upstream first policy I suppose:) | 14:40 |
| ricolin_ | zaneb, that's what we needed the most | 14:40 |
| zaneb | ramishra: yup :/ | 14:41 |
| ricolin_ | Okay, anything else? | 14:41 |
| ricolin_ | If none, we can end the meeting now and let guys back to work, or back to sleep:) | 14:43 |
| ramishra | ricolin_: thanks! | 14:43 |
| zaneb | or both! | 14:43 |
| zaneb | ;) | 14:43 |
| ricolin_ | lol | 14:43 |
| ndahiwade | ricolin_, thanks again! | 14:43 |
| ricolin_ | thx all | 14:43 |
| ricolin_ | #endmeeting | 14:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Heat Team (logs: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23heat/)" | 14:43 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 20 14:43:35 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:43 |
| ndahiwade | Thanks all! | 14:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2018/heat.2018-06-20-14.00.html | 14:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2018/heat.2018-06-20-14.00.txt | 14:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2018/heat.2018-06-20-14.00.log.html | 14:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nakul Dahiwade proposed openstack/heat master: Re-calculate outputs at the end of a stack-update. https://review.openstack.org/576936 | 18:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat master: External_fixed_ips break router creation. https://review.openstack.org/575236 | 21:05 |
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