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| zaneb | therve: could you (or somebody) cherry-pick https://review.openstack.org/608375 to Rocky? we probably shouldn't scare operators by filling up their logs with bogus assertion errors | 00:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Marek Lyčka proposed openstack/heat-dashboard master: Implements a JSON import export mechanism for the template generator https://review.openstack.org/611259 | 08:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Marek Lyčka proposed openstack/heat-dashboard master: Implements a JSON import export mechanism for the template generator https://review.openstack.org/611259 | 08:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Marek Lyčka proposed openstack/heat-dashboard master: Implements a JSON import export mechanism for the template generator https://review.openstack.org/611259 | 10:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Marek Lyčka proposed openstack/heat-dashboard master: Implements a JSON import export mechanism for the template generator https://review.openstack.org/611259 | 10:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rabi Mishra proposed openstack/heat-tempest-plugin master: Add requires_service_type test decorator https://review.openstack.org/611295 | 11:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Marek Lyčka proposed openstack/heat-dashboard master: Implements a JSON import export mechanism for the template generator https://review.openstack.org/611259 | 11:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rabi Mishra proposed openstack/heat-tempest-plugin master: Add requires_service_type test decorator https://review.openstack.org/611295 | 13:20 |
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| e0ne | ricolin: hi. I didn't mentioned Heat in the mail subject but I would be glad to have any feedback from you on http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-October/135805.html | 13:32 |
| ricolin | e0ne, sure | 13:32 |
| e0ne | thanks | 13:33 |
| ricolin | kazsh, ^^^ | 13:33 |
| e0ne | any feedback from heat-dashboard team iswelcome | 13:33 |
| e0ne | *is welcome | 13:33 |
| ricolin | kei-ichi,^^^ | 13:35 |
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| ricolin | #startmeeting heat | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 17 14:00:46 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ricolin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 14:00 |
| ricolin | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: heat)" | 14:00 | |
| zaneb | o/ | 14:00 |
| ramishra | hi | 14:00 |
| ricolin | o/ | 14:01 |
| ricolin | Anyone from Heat-dashboard around? | 14:01 |
| ricolin | #topic adding items to agenda | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "adding items to agenda (Meeting topic: heat)" | 14:02 | |
| ricolin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282018-10-17_1400_UTC.29 | 14:02 |
| ramishra | it seems gate is completely borked http://logs.openstack.org/95/611295/2/check/openstack-tox-pep8/3495343/job-output.txt.gz#_2018-10-17_13_27_51_465665 | 14:02 |
| ricolin | #topic amqp1 job - it broke | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "amqp1 job - it broke (Meeting topic: heat)" | 14:02 | |
| ramishra | ricolin: I saw it green 2 days back, what's broken in that job? though everything is broken now, some issue with the images I suspect | 14:05 |
| zaneb | oh? I haven't seen the amqp1 job green in a while | 14:06 |
| ricolin | ramishra, don't know, finding... | 14:07 |
| ramishra | http://logs.openstack.org/62/609962/2/check/heat-functional-convg-mysql-lbaasv2-amqp1/65e5aff/job-output.txt.gz | 14:07 |
| ramishra | zaneb: that's 2 days back I guess | 14:08 |
| zaneb | hmm, ok, maybe I just had bad luck then | 14:08 |
| zaneb | (I added this to the agenda) | 14:08 |
| zaneb | ramishra: are you sure the whole gate is broken and not just https://review.openstack.org/611295 ? | 14:09 |
| ramishra | zaneb: from the errors it seems like it's all broken http://logs.openstack.org/95/611295/2/check/heat-functional-convg-mysql-lbaasv2/2cddd65/logs/devstacklog.txt.gz#_2018-10-17_13_46_20_516 | 14:10 |
| ricolin | zaneb, I have put some recheck to see if them works | 14:10 |
| zaneb | ah, yep, that looks bad | 14:10 |
| zaneb | bad package in the mirror? I imagine it affects everyone and will get fixed pretty quick | 14:11 |
| ramishra | yeah, so I did not spend time on it:) | 14:12 |
| zaneb | let's move on then :) | 14:13 |
| ricolin | sure | 14:13 |
| ricolin | #topic Validation improvements | 14:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Validation improvements (Meeting topic: heat)" | 14:13 | |
| zaneb | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2003915 | 14:14 |
| ricolin | which validate you mean here | 14:14 |
| ricolin | oh, okay | 14:14 |
| zaneb | so I started working on the placeholder stuff that we've been talking about for years | 14:14 |
| zaneb | most of it is not ready for review yet | 14:15 |
| zaneb | but I just wanted to let y'all know that it's happening | 14:15 |
| zaneb | so that if anyone thinks it's a bad idea/isn't going to get reviewed/whatever can speak up | 14:15 |
| zaneb | I also think that splitting the validation into synchronous and asynchronous phases might also happen as part of this | 14:16 |
| zaneb | there's some tricks to work out to do with when we validate which parts of nested stacks | 14:17 |
| therve | zaneb: How much breakage will happen? :) | 14:17 |
| zaneb | therve: that's the question, isn't it :) | 14:17 |
| therve | Kinda | 14:17 |
| zaneb | the goal is to only break earlier, not more | 14:17 |
| zaneb | so we'll catch stuff that would have broken when you went to create the resource, before you start creating the stack | 14:18 |
| zaneb | goals and reality are not always the same thing, however | 14:19 |
| therve | Wouldn't that go into making more synchronous stuff? | 14:19 |
| therve | Validation is somewhat slow already | 14:19 |
| zaneb | it's mostly fast stuff | 14:20 |
| zaneb | e.g. if you do get_resource on OS::Nova::Keypair and pass it as the image to a server, then it'll see that the custom constraints don't match up and fail | 14:20 |
| zaneb | without needing to make any external calls | 14:20 |
| zaneb | it's the external calls that really slow down validation. I'm hoping to be able to move _all_ of those to the async phase | 14:21 |
| zaneb | in fact ideally if we see that the custom constraints of outputs and inputs _do_ match, we should be able to avoid an external call altogether. I have no idea how to implement that though :) | 14:23 |
| therve | OK | 14:23 |
| zaneb | I was thinking about writing a spec for this, but I really need to experiment more to even know what's possible | 14:24 |
| zaneb | the way things are validated now is extremely poorly documented | 14:25 |
| ricolin | zaneb, this definitely need some doc after other tasks | 14:26 |
| ricolin | I try to find some good way to improve constraint validate while ago, but I guess we can only do one check at a time:/ | 14:28 |
| zaneb | I'm trying to do a bit of the renaming and separating phases we talked about in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-ocata-validation-improvements | 14:30 |
| zaneb | hopefully that will make it easier to document | 14:30 |
| zaneb | that's about all I had to say about that for now unless anybody has more questions | 14:34 |
| ricolin | zaneb, are you plan to this in S release? | 14:34 |
| zaneb | I'm gonna say yes :) | 14:35 |
| ricolin | zaneb, :) | 14:35 |
| zaneb | it's still early in the cycle, so in theory we have time | 14:35 |
| ricolin | Okay, let's keep trace on that | 14:35 |
| zaneb | there's nothing like the mox stuff in the pipeline to suck up all of our review bandwidth | 14:36 |
| ramishra | may be we do some measurements with a simple poc or something before we decide to go for it this cycle, I'm not sure we've enough time though | 14:36 |
| zaneb | that was painful | 14:36 |
| ricolin | zaneb, that's for sure | 14:36 |
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| zaneb | would anybody be interested in working on adding more validation tests? | 14:37 |
| ramishra | of course after deciding what to do:) | 14:37 |
| zaneb | that would be a useful thing to give us more confidence in any changes | 14:37 |
| ricolin | indeed | 14:38 |
| zaneb | it's something that could be done in parallel - we can add a bunch of functional tests now and they'll work as regression tests later | 14:38 |
| ricolin | I think we can add that to tasks in story | 14:40 |
| ricolin | okay, let's move on | 14:41 |
| ricolin | #topic Autoscaling integration | 14:42 |
| zaneb | might be worth creating a new story, that one is an unreadable mess already | 14:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Autoscaling integration (Meeting topic: heat)" | 14:42 | |
| ricolin | zaneb, +1 | 14:42 |
| ricolin | The forum for autoscaling improve, is approved I guess | 14:43 |
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| ricolin | So we're going to discuss in Berlin about #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/autoscaling-integration-and-feedback | 14:43 |
| ricolin | about what's the benefit, and how can we do it right | 14:44 |
| ricolin | there are already some discussion in ML | 14:45 |
| ricolin | now I'm trying to put more information together | 14:45 |
| ramishra | ricolin: I think I asked about current user issues/bugs in the ML thread and did not hear anything, unless I missed something, other than the fact we feel it's not maintainable atm | 14:46 |
| ricolin | ramishra, what I got from users are not compliant for bugs, but more like confuse about the current situation of Heat and Senlin | 14:48 |
| ramishra | OK, IMO that's not something I would worry with the review bandwidth we have. If there is bandwidth to improve stuff we should do it though, reminds me of my improvement patch that took 2 years to land | 14:49 |
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| zaneb | one of the reasons I started working on the validation stuff is that it seemed like an easier win for Stein | 14:51 |
| zaneb | nobody seemed to be really excited about autoscaling changes, and there's not much point getting started until after the summit | 14:51 |
| zaneb | but it would be really nice to come out of that session with a long-term plan | 14:52 |
| ramishra | zaneb: yeah, a very long term plan:) | 14:52 |
| ricolin | yeah, IMO we have a lot of duplicate works cross projects, so try to gathering resources might be a good thing to discuss as a long term plan | 14:52 |
| zaneb | lol | 14:52 |
| ricolin | ramishra, don't worry, there will be actions for Stein:) | 14:53 |
| ricolin | btw, we also going to have heat onboarding, heat project update, and heat user/ops feedback in Summit as well | 14:55 |
| ricolin | so please give your idea if you would like to see how those session get done | 14:55 |
| ricolin | move on | 14:57 |
| ricolin | #topic Multi cloud | 14:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Multi cloud (Meeting topic: heat)" | 14:57 | |
| ricolin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/heat+branch:master+topic:bp/multiple-cloud-support | 14:57 |
| ricolin | zaneb, do you think we can use tempfile? or move back to use previous for temp file patch | 14:59 |
| zaneb | ricolin: did the FIFO thing not work? | 15:00 |
| ricolin | zaneb, I think it works as well | 15:00 |
| ramishra | got to go, meeting time over;) | 15:01 |
| zaneb | ramishra: thanks o/ | 15:01 |
| ricolin | ramishra, thanks for join | 15:01 |
| zaneb | ricolin: the previous patch is way more complicated than it needs to be, because we now only need to do one file instead of 3 | 15:01 |
| zaneb | since we decided not to support custom client certs | 15:02 |
| ricolin | zaneb, yeah, so we don't need a folder | 15:02 |
| ricolin | So the problem now is I don't know how I can properly test CA cert | 15:04 |
| ricolin | like have functional/scenario test for it | 15:04 |
| zaneb | I liked the FIFO because it can only be read once. but since the CA cert is not secret, it probably doesn't matter | 15:04 |
| zaneb | ricolin: yeah, that is a problem. I don't know how to test it either | 15:05 |
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| ricolin | zaneb, so my plan now is to asking public cloud WG's help once we think we can put these patch under test | 15:06 |
| ricolin | they got the actual environment to test | 15:06 |
| ricolin | as for writing as functional test, well | 15:07 |
| zaneb | ricolin: at the very least you can pass the regular ca_cert for the devstack cloud as a 'custom' ca_cert, and that should exercise the code | 15:07 |
| zaneb | no way to verify that it is doing anything at all, but we can test that manually and hope for the best | 15:07 |
| ricolin | zaneb, yep | 15:08 |
| ricolin | so please review the rest of patches | 15:08 |
| ricolin | I will update that patch | 15:09 |
| zaneb | yeah, I need to do that | 15:09 |
| ricolin | later | 15:09 |
| ricolin | zaneb, great, thanks! | 15:09 |
| zaneb | ricolin: how confident are you that they're more or less ready to go? | 15:09 |
| zaneb | I haven't checked the latest spec yet either I don't think | 15:10 |
| ricolin | I already give tempest test for them, so I think it's ready | 15:10 |
| zaneb | ok, cool | 15:11 |
| * zaneb is super busy with TC stuff ahead of the summit :/ | 15:11 | |
| ricolin | what I still not done yet is to document down | 15:11 |
| ricolin | zaneb, don't worry, you will keep seeing these topic on meeting agenda until it's landed | 15:12 |
| ricolin | :) | 15:12 |
| zaneb | :D | 15:12 |
| ricolin | let's put a end meeting since we already over 12 min! | 15:13 |
| ricolin | #endmeeting | 15:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Heat Team (logs: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23heat/)" | 15:13 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 17 15:13:10 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:13 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2018/heat.2018-10-17-14.00.html | 15:13 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2018/heat.2018-10-17-14.00.txt | 15:13 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2018/heat.2018-10-17-14.00.log.html | 15:13 |
| zaneb | ricolin: thanks! | 15:13 |
| zaneb | seems like ages since we had a meeting | 15:13 |
| ricolin | zaneb, yeah, need to start push more tasks | 15:14 |
| ricolin | zaneb, we can actually do bi-week | 15:15 |
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