Wednesday, 2018-10-17

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zanebtherve: could you (or somebody) cherry-pick https://review.openstack.org/608375 to Rocky? we probably shouldn't scare operators by filling up their logs with bogus assertion errors00:43
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openstackgerritMarek Lyčka proposed openstack/heat-dashboard master: Implements a JSON import export mechanism for the template generator  https://review.openstack.org/61125908:36
openstackgerritMarek Lyčka proposed openstack/heat-dashboard master: Implements a JSON import export mechanism for the template generator  https://review.openstack.org/61125908:38
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openstackgerritMarek Lyčka proposed openstack/heat-dashboard master: Implements a JSON import export mechanism for the template generator  https://review.openstack.org/61125910:03
openstackgerritMarek Lyčka proposed openstack/heat-dashboard master: Implements a JSON import export mechanism for the template generator  https://review.openstack.org/61125910:37
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openstackgerritRabi Mishra proposed openstack/heat-tempest-plugin master: Add requires_service_type test decorator  https://review.openstack.org/61129511:24
openstackgerritMarek Lyčka proposed openstack/heat-dashboard master: Implements a JSON import export mechanism for the template generator  https://review.openstack.org/61125911:33
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openstackgerritRabi Mishra proposed openstack/heat-tempest-plugin master: Add requires_service_type test decorator  https://review.openstack.org/61129513:20
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e0nericolin: hi. I didn't mentioned Heat in the mail subject but I would be glad to have any feedback from you on http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-October/135805.html13:32
ricoline0ne, sure13:32
e0nethanks13:33
ricolinkazsh, ^^^13:33
e0neany feedback from heat-dashboard team iswelcome13:33
e0ne*is welcome13:33
ricolinkei-ichi,^^^13:35
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ricolin#startmeeting heat14:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Oct 17 14:00:46 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ricolin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'heat'14:00
ricolin#topic roll call14:00
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zanebo/14:00
ramishrahi14:00
ricolino/14:01
ricolinAnyone from Heat-dashboard around?14:01
ricolin#topic adding items to agenda14:02
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ricolin#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282018-10-17_1400_UTC.2914:02
ramishrait seems gate is completely borked http://logs.openstack.org/95/611295/2/check/openstack-tox-pep8/3495343/job-output.txt.gz#_2018-10-17_13_27_51_46566514:02
ricolin#topic amqp1 job - it broke14:02
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ramishraricolin: I saw it green 2 days back, what's broken in that job? though everything is broken now, some issue with the images I suspect14:05
zaneboh? I haven't seen the amqp1 job green in a while14:06
ricolinramishra, don't know, finding...14:07
ramishrahttp://logs.openstack.org/62/609962/2/check/heat-functional-convg-mysql-lbaasv2-amqp1/65e5aff/job-output.txt.gz14:07
ramishrazaneb: that's 2 days back I guess14:08
zanebhmm, ok, maybe I just had bad luck then14:08
zaneb(I added this to the agenda)14:08
zanebramishra: are you sure the whole gate is broken and not just https://review.openstack.org/611295 ?14:09
ramishrazaneb: from the errors it seems like it's all broken http://logs.openstack.org/95/611295/2/check/heat-functional-convg-mysql-lbaasv2/2cddd65/logs/devstacklog.txt.gz#_2018-10-17_13_46_20_51614:10
ricolinzaneb, I have put some recheck to see if them works14:10
zanebah, yep, that looks bad14:10
zanebbad package in the mirror? I imagine it affects everyone and will get fixed pretty quick14:11
ramishrayeah, so I did not spend time on it:)14:12
zaneblet's move on then :)14:13
ricolinsure14:13
ricolin#topic Validation improvements14:13
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zaneb#link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/200391514:14
ricolinwhich validate you mean here14:14
ricolinoh, okay14:14
zanebso I started working on the placeholder stuff that we've been talking about for years14:14
zanebmost of it is not ready for review yet14:15
zanebbut I just wanted to let y'all know that it's happening14:15
zanebso that if anyone thinks it's a bad idea/isn't going to get reviewed/whatever can speak up14:15
zanebI also think that splitting the validation into synchronous and asynchronous phases might also happen as part of this14:16
zanebthere's some tricks to work out to do with when we validate which parts of nested stacks14:17
thervezaneb: How much breakage will happen? :)14:17
zanebtherve: that's the question, isn't it :)14:17
therveKinda14:17
zanebthe goal is to only break earlier, not more14:17
zanebso we'll catch stuff that would have broken when you went to create the resource, before you start creating the stack14:18
zanebgoals and reality are not always the same thing, however14:19
therveWouldn't that go into making more synchronous stuff?14:19
therveValidation is somewhat slow already14:19
zanebit's mostly fast stuff14:20
zanebe.g. if you do get_resource on OS::Nova::Keypair and pass it as the image to a server, then it'll see that the custom constraints don't match up and fail14:20
zanebwithout needing to make any external calls14:20
zanebit's the external calls that really slow down validation. I'm hoping to be able to move _all_ of those to the async phase14:21
zanebin fact ideally if we see that the custom constraints of outputs and inputs _do_ match, we should be able to avoid an external call altogether. I have no idea how to implement that though :)14:23
therveOK14:23
zanebI was thinking about writing a spec for this, but I really need to experiment more to even know what's possible14:24
zanebthe way things are validated now is extremely poorly documented14:25
ricolinzaneb, this definitely need some doc after other tasks14:26
ricolinI try to find some good way to improve constraint validate while ago, but I guess we can only do one check at a time:/14:28
zanebI'm trying to do a bit of the renaming and separating phases we talked about in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-ocata-validation-improvements14:30
zanebhopefully that will make it easier to document14:30
zanebthat's about all I had to say about that for now unless anybody has more questions14:34
ricolinzaneb, are you plan to this in S release?14:34
zanebI'm gonna say yes :)14:35
ricolinzaneb, :)14:35
zanebit's still early in the cycle, so in theory we have time14:35
ricolinOkay, let's keep trace on that14:35
zanebthere's nothing like the mox stuff in the pipeline to suck up all of our review bandwidth14:36
ramishramay be we do some measurements with a simple poc or something before we decide to go for it this cycle, I'm not sure we've enough time though14:36
zanebthat was painful14:36
ricolinzaneb, that's for sure14:36
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zanebwould anybody be interested in working on adding more validation tests?14:37
ramishraof course after deciding what to do:)14:37
zanebthat would be a useful thing to give us more confidence in any changes14:37
ricolinindeed14:38
zanebit's something that could be done in parallel - we can add a bunch of functional tests now and they'll work as regression tests later14:38
ricolinI think we can add that to tasks in story14:40
ricolinokay, let's move on14:41
ricolin#topic Autoscaling integration14:42
zanebmight be worth creating a new story, that one is an unreadable mess already14:42
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ricolinzaneb, +114:42
ricolinThe forum for autoscaling improve, is approved I guess14:43
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ricolinSo we're going to discuss in Berlin about #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/autoscaling-integration-and-feedback14:43
ricolinabout what's the benefit, and how can we do it right14:44
ricolinthere are already some discussion in ML14:45
ricolinnow I'm trying to put more information together14:45
ramishraricolin: I think I asked about current user issues/bugs in the ML thread and did not hear anything, unless I missed something, other than the fact we feel it's not maintainable atm14:46
ricolinramishra, what I got from users are not compliant for bugs, but more like confuse about the current situation of Heat and Senlin14:48
ramishraOK, IMO that's not something I would worry with the review bandwidth we have. If there is bandwidth to improve stuff we should do it though, reminds me of my improvement patch that took 2 years to land14:49
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zanebone of the reasons I started working on the validation stuff is that it seemed like an easier win for Stein14:51
zanebnobody seemed to be really excited about autoscaling changes, and there's not much point getting started until after the summit14:51
zanebbut it would be really nice to come out of that session with a long-term plan14:52
ramishrazaneb: yeah, a very long term plan:)14:52
ricolinyeah, IMO we have a lot of duplicate works cross projects, so try to gathering resources might be a good thing to discuss as a long term plan14:52
zaneblol14:52
ricolinramishra, don't worry, there will be actions for Stein:)14:53
ricolinbtw, we also going to have heat onboarding, heat project update, and heat user/ops feedback in Summit as well14:55
ricolinso please give your idea if you would like to see how those session get done14:55
ricolinmove on14:57
ricolin#topic Multi cloud14:57
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ricolin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/heat+branch:master+topic:bp/multiple-cloud-support14:57
ricolinzaneb, do you think we can use tempfile? or move back to use previous for temp file patch14:59
zanebricolin: did the FIFO thing not work?15:00
ricolinzaneb, I think it works as well15:00
ramishragot to go, meeting time over;)15:01
zanebramishra: thanks o/15:01
ricolinramishra, thanks for join15:01
zanebricolin: the previous patch is way more complicated than it needs to be, because we now only need to do one file instead of 315:01
zanebsince we decided not to support custom client certs15:02
ricolinzaneb, yeah, so we don't need a folder15:02
ricolinSo the problem now is I don't know how I can properly test CA cert15:04
ricolinlike have functional/scenario test for it15:04
zanebI liked the FIFO because it can only be read once. but since the CA cert is not secret, it probably doesn't matter15:04
zanebricolin: yeah, that is a problem. I don't know how to test it either15:05
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ricolinzaneb, so my plan now is to asking public cloud WG's help once we think we can put these patch under test15:06
ricolinthey got the actual environment to test15:06
ricolinas for writing as functional test, well15:07
zanebricolin: at the very least you can pass the regular ca_cert for the devstack cloud as a 'custom' ca_cert, and that should exercise the code15:07
zanebno way to verify that it is doing anything at all, but we can test that manually and hope for the best15:07
ricolinzaneb, yep15:08
ricolinso please review the rest of patches15:08
ricolinI will update that patch15:09
zanebyeah, I need to do that15:09
ricolinlater15:09
ricolinzaneb, great, thanks!15:09
zanebricolin: how confident are you that they're more or less ready to go?15:09
zanebI haven't checked the latest spec yet either I don't think15:10
ricolinI already give tempest test for them, so I think it's ready15:10
zanebok, cool15:11
* zaneb is super busy with TC stuff ahead of the summit :/15:11
ricolinwhat I still not done yet is to document down15:11
ricolinzaneb, don't worry, you will keep seeing these topic on meeting agenda until it's landed15:12
ricolin:)15:12
zaneb:D15:12
ricolinlet's put a end meeting since we already over 12 min!15:13
ricolin#endmeeting15:13
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zanebricolin: thanks!15:13
zanebseems like ages since we had a meeting15:13
ricolinzaneb, yeah, need to start push more tasks15:14
ricolinzaneb, we can actually do bi-week15:15
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