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inc0 | hello, any chances for second +2 on this one? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215062/17 | 04:43 |
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openstackgerrit | Sam Yaple proposed openstack/kolla: Ceph Ansible support https://review.openstack.org/218570 | 05:44 |
SamYaple | pbourke_: you around? | 05:45 |
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inc0 | good morning | 05:51 |
SamYaple | morning inc0 | 05:59 |
SamYaple | ill take a look at that patch in a moment for a +2 | 06:00 |
inc0 | you already +2 it | 06:00 |
SamYaple | oh ok | 06:00 |
inc0 | and it sits there with this lonely +2 | 06:00 |
inc0 | thanks anyway | 06:00 |
inc0 | ;) | 06:00 |
SamYaple | kinda like all my ceph stuff :/ | 06:00 |
SamYaple | thats be up and mostly unchanged for a while | 06:00 |
SamYaple | lots of review promises | 06:00 |
inc0 | I'll try this in a moment, let me rebase my patches locally | 06:02 |
inc0 | however I don't think my +1 will mean much at this point | 06:03 |
openstackgerrit | Michal Jastrzebski (inc0) proposed openstack/kolla: Ansible bits to rsyslog https://review.openstack.org/215062 | 06:22 |
openstackgerrit | Michal Jastrzebski (inc0) proposed openstack/kolla: Glance logging to rsyslog https://review.openstack.org/225637 | 06:22 |
openstackgerrit | Michal Jastrzebski (inc0) proposed openstack/kolla: Nova logging to rsyslog https://review.openstack.org/226760 | 06:22 |
openstackgerrit | Michal Jastrzebski (inc0) proposed openstack/kolla: Heat logging to rsyslog https://review.openstack.org/226820 | 06:22 |
inc0 | SamYaple, would you be kind enough to take a look at service logging patches? | 06:23 |
inc0 | afk 30mins | 06:23 |
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SamYaple | syre | 06:28 |
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openstackgerrit | Martin André proposed openstack/kolla: Allow different defaults for different providers https://review.openstack.org/227147 | 07:00 |
openstackgerrit | Martin André proposed openstack/kolla: Remove fake DHCP server in Vagrantfile https://review.openstack.org/227148 | 07:00 |
openstackgerrit | Martin André proposed openstack/kolla: Fix git instruction in vagrant doc https://review.openstack.org/227149 | 07:00 |
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openstackgerrit | Michal Jastrzebski (inc0) proposed openstack/kolla: Glance logging to rsyslog https://review.openstack.org/225637 | 07:07 |
openstackgerrit | Michal Jastrzebski (inc0) proposed openstack/kolla: Nova logging to rsyslog https://review.openstack.org/226760 | 07:07 |
openstackgerrit | Michal Jastrzebski (inc0) proposed openstack/kolla: Heat logging to rsyslog https://review.openstack.org/226820 | 07:07 |
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SamYaple | pbourke_: up yet? | 08:11 |
openstackgerrit | Sam Yaple proposed openstack/kolla: Replace config-external with a JSON file for Neutron (thin) https://review.openstack.org/224829 | 08:12 |
openstackgerrit | Sam Yaple proposed openstack/kolla: Replace config-external with a JSON file for Cinder https://review.openstack.org/224872 | 08:12 |
openstackgerrit | Sam Yaple proposed openstack/kolla: Replace config-external with a JSON file for Heat https://review.openstack.org/224891 | 08:13 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla: Replace config-external with a JSON file for Neutron (thin) https://review.openstack.org/224829 | 08:42 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla: Replace config-external with a JSON file for Cinder https://review.openstack.org/224872 | 08:49 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla: Replace config-external with a JSON file for Heat https://review.openstack.org/224891 | 08:49 |
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pbourke_ | SamYaple: am now | 09:08 |
[Leeloo] | Hi. I have a "functional" openstack using (oraclelinux/binary [except: magnum, murano...]) on a an OVH server. But can't have access outside or apply floating IP. Is this doc --> http://dohuyhoang.github.io/openstack/ovh/neutron/2014/07/07/Configure-OpenStack-network-on-OVH.html applicable to docker openstack install ? Another question, when I want to change thing on the docker neutron,... | 09:15 |
[Leeloo] | instance how can I do ? thanks :) | 09:15 |
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openstackgerrit | Sam Yaple proposed openstack/kolla: Make OpenStack use Ceph https://review.openstack.org/225933 | 09:48 |
openstackgerrit | Sam Yaple proposed openstack/kolla: Ceph Ansible support https://review.openstack.org/218570 | 09:48 |
SamYaple | pbourke_: sorry i have to keep rebasing this ceph patch due to the json changes | 09:49 |
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inc0 | hey there | 10:40 |
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openstackgerrit | Michal Jastrzebski (inc0) proposed openstack/kolla: Ansible bits to rsyslog https://review.openstack.org/215062 | 10:47 |
openstackgerrit | Michal Jastrzebski (inc0) proposed openstack/kolla: Glance logging to rsyslog https://review.openstack.org/225637 | 10:47 |
openstackgerrit | Michal Jastrzebski (inc0) proposed openstack/kolla: Nova logging to rsyslog https://review.openstack.org/226760 | 10:47 |
openstackgerrit | Michal Jastrzebski (inc0) proposed openstack/kolla: Heat logging to rsyslog https://review.openstack.org/226820 | 10:47 |
inc0 | pbourke_, SamYaple could you please re-review | 10:49 |
inc0 | SamYaple, is it required to have delegate_to in ceph task distribute_keyrings? | 10:57 |
SamYaple | yes | 10:58 |
SamYaple | and we use delegate_to elsewhere. its not really an obscure ansible command | 10:58 |
inc0 | because it breaks on basic aio, it doesn't understand connection local | 10:58 |
SamYaple | i know its been discussed | 10:59 |
SamYaple | ints all in the review | 10:59 |
inc0 | allright reading | 10:59 |
SamYaple | the fact is we use delegate_to in other places. we need to change the default AIO to use ssh. this isnt the first error we have encountered because of this problem | 10:59 |
inc0 | yeah makes sense | 11:00 |
SamYaple | the inventory file is just an example document anyway, so if Kolla cant use connection=local its not teh end of the world in my opinion | 11:00 |
inc0 | sure, all I'm saying is by default everyone tries aio | 11:00 |
inc0 | so we should make it work, even if that require people to do something in inventory first (as long as it's clearly stated in docs) | 11:01 |
SamYaple | i know. and ceph+AIO isn't going to really work anyway (it can but that requires ceph knowledge) | 11:01 |
SamYaple | all this is going in a ceph document I am writting once these patchses merge | 11:01 |
inc0 | aaa yeah it won't have anywhere to put replicas | 11:03 |
inc0 | right | 11:03 |
SamYaple | pbourke_: fyi i have tgtd working with cinder (for the lvm stuff) | 11:03 |
SamYaple | inc0: correct. again ceph trickery (crush map modification) can be done to get it into HEALTH_OK but thats ceph knowlege | 11:03 |
inc0 | yeah, I'm not rly a ceph expert, just want to get this running;) | 11:04 |
SamYaple | inc0: it requires a disk (or a loop device) be created on your host | 11:07 |
SamYaple | hard requirement | 11:08 |
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inc0 | can you please submit docs as dependant patch? | 11:09 |
SamYaple | no, i dont have the docs ready. this is going to have to merge by tommorrow | 11:09 |
SamYaple | DocImpact flag is set so it wont get lost | 11:10 |
inc0 | ok, then I'll just review code and test it out at nearest occasion | 11:12 |
inc0 | we can always submit bugs | 11:12 |
SamYaple | yea thats what these next 3 weeks are for | 11:12 |
SamYaple | keep in mind this code has been (successfully) demo'ed on both virtual and real hardware. And its structure is basically what I had in yaodu so its been around for ~6 months | 11:13 |
SamYaple | im very confident in it so that should reassure you a bit even if you are unable to test it | 11:14 |
inc0 | you don't need to reasure me, I'm confident you did good job, just this is complicated stuff out there, it's always good to have additional test | 11:17 |
SamYaple | i agree and i wish the docs were rady but reviews have been scarce the past few weeks | 11:17 |
inc0 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/218570/14/docker/openstack-base/Dockerfile.j2 why we needed numpy in the first place? | 11:18 |
SamYaple | we didn't need it there. that was a performance increase thing i found was to remove numpy, it _should_ have been another patch | 11:19 |
SamYaple | numpy gets installing in neutron-base i think | 11:19 |
SamYaple | i think neutron is the only project its used in | 11:19 |
inc0 | ok | 11:19 |
inc0 | but since you don't add it to neutron...won't that break? | 11:20 |
SamYaple | requirements.txt pulls it in | 11:20 |
SamYaple | anything in the openstack-base container is just to consolidate-deps | 11:20 |
SamYaple | no source thing requires the openstack-base container, its just to save space/speed up build | 11:20 |
inc0 | I'd be more comfortable with having it as separate patch, but won't -1 on tha | 11:20 |
inc0 | t | 11:20 |
SamYaple | to be honest, I would too but deadlines and all | 11:21 |
inc0 | hence no -1, normally I would | 11:21 |
SamYaple | yep agree with your statements | 11:21 |
SamYaple | pbourke_: lets get this merged so we dont have to rereview the working logging patches: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215062/ | 11:26 |
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SamYaple | dammit ryan never tested his patches. | 11:32 |
SamYaple | playbooks are broken | 11:32 |
SamYaple | or maybe its me | 11:33 |
SamYaple | no thats me | 11:33 |
SamYaple | sorry ryan | 11:33 |
SamYaple | no dammit it was ryan! its in master | 11:34 |
SamYaple | https://github.com/openstack/kolla/blob/master/ansible/roles/nova/tasks/config.yml#L152 | 11:34 |
SamYaple | ugh patch incoming hold on | 11:34 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla: Ansible bits to rsyslog https://review.openstack.org/215062 | 11:35 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla: Glance logging to rsyslog https://review.openstack.org/225637 | 11:36 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla: Nova logging to rsyslog https://review.openstack.org/226760 | 11:36 |
openstackgerrit | Sam Yaple proposed openstack/kolla: Create nova-libvirt directory before copying files https://review.openstack.org/227242 | 11:37 |
SamYaple | pbourke_ coolsvap https://review.openstack.org/227242 | 11:37 |
SamYaple | that patch is needed, master is broken | 11:37 |
SamYaple | harmw if you are around ^^ | 11:37 |
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inc0 | Ryan, don't look at logs from last 10minutes;) | 11:40 |
SamYaple | no do look at them and test things! people should test major changes :| | 11:41 |
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inc0 | we definetly need CI | 11:48 |
inc0 | (a good one) | 11:48 |
SamYaple | the playbooks arent too gangly yet, but they also need to be cleaned up | 11:50 |
SamYaple | i wish ansible was like saltstack and you could write tasks entirely in python | 11:51 |
SamYaple | or yaml | 11:51 |
SamYaple | and mix them | 11:51 |
SamYaple | mmmm choices | 11:51 |
SamYaple | birth cirtificate arrives today so I might actually get my password in time. yay | 11:54 |
rhallisey | inc0, eh? | 11:55 |
SamYaple | rhallisey: i was complaining becuase master playbooks were borked | 11:55 |
SamYaple | you didnt test your patches | 11:55 |
rhallisey | I did | 11:55 |
rhallisey | they worked fine | 11:55 |
SamYaple | not in a clean environment apparently | 11:55 |
rhallisey | whats breaking? | 11:55 |
rhallisey | I was using AIO | 11:55 |
SamYaple | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227242/ | 11:55 |
SamYaple | you reviewed it | 11:56 |
rhallisey | are you using multinode? | 11:56 |
SamYaple | it matters not, it would break in both situations | 11:56 |
rhallisey | SamYaple, I must've added that dir by hand when getting it going | 11:56 |
SamYaple | whatever the reason is it is busted, this is why inc0 said we need good CI which is agreed | 11:56 |
SamYaple | rhallisey: yea ive done it too :) | 11:56 |
rhallisey | SamYaple, so what's the deal is it totally busted or something? | 11:57 |
SamYaple | you can't run through the playbooks cleanly, no | 11:57 |
rhallisey | I'm confused because I had no problems when testing | 11:57 |
SamYaple | like you said, you probably added the directory by hand. that would resolve the issue | 11:58 |
SamYaple | unfortunately i kick fresh vms for each test and if the playbooks are broken so is my ability to test | 11:58 |
inc0 | SamYaple, using vagrant? | 11:59 |
SamYaple | inc0: no | 11:59 |
rhallisey | SamYaple, ya I definitely did and forgot about it | 11:59 |
SamYaple | not a problem :) its found and fixed | 11:59 |
rhallisey | ya sorry for the headache | 11:59 |
SamYaple | you can make up for it by reviewing ceph :[] | 12:00 |
SamYaple | it really needs to merge its been a while | 12:00 |
rhallisey | I've looked at it only, I don't know how to test it | 12:00 |
rhallisey | SamYaple, was the libvirt dir the only issue? | 12:00 |
SamYaple | as sdake would say, testing is not required for reviewers | 12:00 |
inc0 | we need docs... <flies away> | 12:00 |
SamYaple | yea rhallisey ive got a docs patch brewing | 12:01 |
rhallisey | kk | 12:01 |
SamYaple | but its not done yet. the docimpact flag is set | 12:01 |
SamYaple | as long as when you run the playbooks with ceph skipped it doesnt bust anything, its safe to merge | 12:01 |
SamYaple | we can hammer out the docs and any bugs after RC1 | 12:01 |
rhallisey | SamYaple, going back to json config again, is libvirt the only issue or is it breaking elsewhere? | 12:01 |
SamYaple | rhallisey: running a fresh test now, but that looked like it | 12:02 |
rhallisey | SamYaple, ok cool | 12:02 |
SamYaple | but you did forget the when conditionals on some of those tasks | 12:02 |
SamYaple | only noticed now not in the review | 12:02 |
rhallisey | SamYaple, that's for the cases when say heat is enabled/disabled | 12:03 |
rhallisey | ya I'll add those in | 12:03 |
SamYaple | no i mean for the hosts, you copy the json configs to all hosts in the nova group | 12:03 |
SamYaple | not a big deal. thats non-breaking | 12:04 |
rhallisey | the piece with heat is though I think | 12:04 |
rhallisey | I made note of it at my desk | 12:04 |
rhallisey | somewhere.. | 12:04 |
inc0 | I wonder how your desk looks like then... | 12:04 |
rhallisey | I have lots of sticky notes | 12:05 |
rhallisey | of things to add into kolla | 12:05 |
SamYaple | rhallisey: ive have tgt working for cinder, can we discuss what issues you were having | 12:06 |
SamYaple | it seems to all work for me | 12:06 |
rhallisey | I think ansible bits were just missing for that | 12:06 |
SamYaple | well there is no tgt container so more than ansible was missing | 12:06 |
SamYaple | cinder is not working at all with Kolla | 12:07 |
rhallisey | I wasn't using tgt in its own container | 12:07 |
SamYaple | oh | 12:07 |
rhallisey | it was inside cinder-volumes | 12:07 |
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rhallisey | dam I didn't know cinder broke again all over :( | 12:07 |
rhallisey | I didn't do anything! | 12:07 |
SamYaple | im confused. so tgt was running in the cinder-volumes container? | 12:08 |
rhallisey | ya | 12:08 |
SamYaple | how? | 12:08 |
SamYaple | tgtd has to be up and running | 12:08 |
rhallisey | I would startd tgtd first | 12:08 |
SamYaple | _in_ the cinder volumes container? | 12:09 |
rhallisey | yes | 12:09 |
SamYaple | oh well that means cinder was never really working | 12:09 |
SamYaple | and thats not documented anywhere | 12:09 |
rhallisey | what wouldn't that work | 12:09 |
rhallisey | It did for a while | 12:09 |
SamYaple | why wouldn't manual steps that have to run in the container be considered working? | 12:10 |
rhallisey | it was a start script | 12:11 |
SamYaple | https://github.com/openstack/kolla/blob/master/docker/cinder/cinder-volume/start.sh | 12:11 |
rhallisey | well so the reason to cinder breaking is cause there's no tgt in there | 12:13 |
rhallisey | use to be in there | 12:13 |
rhallisey | there use to be a script to start tgt | 12:13 |
SamYaple | no the reason its breaking is because tgtd doesn't run anywhere. exactly where would tgtd have been run? | 12:13 |
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SamYaple | that hasnt been there in a long long time then | 12:14 |
rhallisey | I was running in cinder-columes | 12:14 |
rhallisey | I'm confused I fixed this in like l-1 | 12:14 |
rhallisey | where did tgt go? | 12:14 |
SamYaple | cinder has never worked with ansible afaik | 12:15 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla: Create nova-libvirt directory before copying files https://review.openstack.org/227242 | 12:15 |
rhallisey | I think when I testing it, I was using older images because I know for a fact I had tgt around | 12:15 |
rhallisey | I'm just confused when it went.. again | 12:16 |
rhallisey | SamYaple, so before, I had tgt in cinder-volumes with a start sciprt | 12:16 |
rhallisey | let me go grab that | 12:16 |
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rhallisey | SamYaple, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200139/ | 12:21 |
rhallisey | there it is | 12:21 |
rhallisey | don't know where that went | 12:22 |
rhallisey | I'll throw up a fix for it then. That's what it should b | 12:23 |
SamYaple | rhallisey: dont bother, we shouldnt be running tgt in that container anyway | 12:23 |
SamYaple | ive got a new tgt container to do it | 12:23 |
rhallisey | wfm | 12:24 |
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openstackgerrit | Michal Jastrzebski (inc0) proposed openstack/kolla: Heat logging to rsyslog https://review.openstack.org/226820 | 13:09 |
openstackgerrit | Michal Jastrzebski (inc0) proposed openstack/kolla: Neutron logging to rsyslog https://review.openstack.org/227275 | 13:09 |
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openstackgerrit | Sam Yaple proposed openstack/kolla: Make OpenStack use Ceph https://review.openstack.org/225933 | 13:26 |
openstackgerrit | Sam Yaple proposed openstack/kolla: Ceph Ansible support https://review.openstack.org/218570 | 13:26 |
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SamYaple | alright guys that should bring the ceph patches up to date with your most recent changes to the json stuff rhallisey | 13:26 |
SamYaple | please review them people. docs and bug fixes can be done during the bug fix period, but these need to merge before end of RC1 (tomorrow) | 13:27 |
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rhallisey | SamYaple, k will do | 13:34 |
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inc0 | damn you keystone and your "let's run on apache" idea | 13:37 |
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openstackgerrit | Michal Jastrzebski (inc0) proposed openstack/kolla: Keystone logging to rsyslog https://review.openstack.org/227311 | 13:48 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla: Heat logging to rsyslog https://review.openstack.org/226820 | 13:55 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla: Fix memcached user on Debian/Ubuntu based distro https://review.openstack.org/226112 | 14:01 |
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rhallisey | SamYaple, around? | 15:07 |
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openstackgerrit | Hui Kang proposed openstack/kolla: Add pub key to the VM booted by vagrant https://review.openstack.org/226115 | 15:14 |
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CBR09 | Hello all | 15:27 |
CBR09 | Is there anyone who is online? | 15:28 |
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CBR09 | I am testing Kolla, and I have a question. | 15:31 |
pbourke_ | CBR09: ask away | 15:33 |
CBR09 | All docker images (glance, keystoner, nova,...) in github master used for OpenStack kilo version?, or any other version? | 15:33 |
pbourke_ | CBR09: they are master (liberty) | 15:34 |
CBR09 | so, images in stable/Kilo for OpenStack kilo version? | 15:35 |
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CBR09 | Thanks you! | 15:41 |
rhallisey | CBR09, use liberty-2 tag, those are the latest stable | 15:43 |
CBR09 | But I want to deploy OpenStack Kilo version, liberty-2 tag usage possible? | 15:47 |
CBR09 | I think every version of OpenStack, there will be difference docker images | 15:50 |
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pbourke_ | CBR09: check out this conf: https://github.com/openstack/kolla/blob/master/etc/kolla/kolla-build.conf#L46-L57 | 16:00 |
pbourke_ | it will allow you to use source installs with any git tag | 16:01 |
CBR09 | @pbourke_: Oh, it's useful for me, thanks you! | 16:09 |
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CBR09 | But if I use binary install, is there any way? | 16:11 |
pbourke_ | CBR09: I think if you comment out these lines https://github.com/openstack/kolla/blob/master/docker/base/Dockerfile.j2#L33-L35 | 16:14 |
pbourke_ | it will use kilo packages | 16:14 |
pbourke_ | at least for the rpm based distros | 16:14 |
pbourke_ | not sure about ubuntu/debian | 16:15 |
openstackgerrit | Michal Jastrzebski (inc0) proposed openstack/kolla: Cinder logging to rsyslog https://review.openstack.org/227412 | 16:18 |
inc0 | uhh done | 16:18 |
inc0 | all of our basic services are logging to rsyslog nopw | 16:18 |
inc0 | let me know if I've missed anything | 16:18 |
CBR09 | That's right!, I saw | 16:20 |
CBR09 | for ubuntu/debian, change sources.list file. | 16:20 |
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openstackgerrit | Ryan Hallisey proposed openstack/kolla: Add missing when statments when copying JSON files in ansible https://review.openstack.org/227437 | 17:39 |
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SamYaple | rhallisey: around for a bit | 19:34 |
rhallisey | SamYaple, no worries, I just threw up some questions on gerrit | 19:35 |
SamYaple | which commit? | 19:35 |
rhallisey | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225933/ | 19:35 |
rhallisey | just pinged you to see if I could ask irc | 19:35 |
SamYaple | kk looking now | 19:35 |
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SamYaple | replied | 19:42 |
rhallisey | SamYaple, so you with regards to the cinder task in common, should that stuff be moved under the cinder task? | 19:45 |
rhallisey | I just don't understand it's placement in common | 19:46 |
SamYaple | it has to be placed in common to run against the ceph-mon host | 19:47 |
SamYaple | let me look again if I can change that. i did change the implementation recently | 19:47 |
rhallisey | does that stuff need to be run before everything like the ansible or rsyslog container | 19:48 |
SamYaple | it does but that doesn't mean i cant change it, looking now | 19:48 |
rhallisey | so for instance when you ensure some cinder dirs are available. They could be moved down into ansible/roles/cinder/task/config.yml | 19:50 |
SamYaple | rhallisey: no not if the tasks are in the common role | 19:50 |
SamYaple | its a dep role so it runs first | 19:50 |
SamYaple | yea with the site.yml change I can move these back into the individual roles I believe | 19:52 |
rhallisey | the reason for the comment would be that's were I'd expect them to be | 19:52 |
rhallisey | that's given the my experience thus far with ansible | 19:52 |
SamYaple | for logisitical reasons they couldn't actually be there before (since some tasks have to run on the ceph-mon hosts) | 19:53 |
rhallisey | it's hard for me to argue that point because I don't know ceph unfortunatly | 19:54 |
SamYaple | its not a ceph thing, its an ansible thing | 19:54 |
SamYaple | but since the ceph-mon hosts are in the site.yml in this iteration I can move the tasks back | 19:54 |
rhallisey | ok I see | 19:55 |
rhallisey | so that would be the same for glance and nova task in here then | 19:55 |
SamYaple | correct, i can move them all out since i added the ceph-mon to the hosts run and filter with the when conditionals | 19:56 |
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rhallisey | ya let's go with that model | 19:56 |
rhallisey | SamYaple, ok cool thanks | 19:56 |
rhallisey | I hope that's not too painful | 19:57 |
SamYaple | not at all. its a simple move | 19:57 |
SamYaple | the playbooks stills have to run before everything else | 19:57 |
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SamYaple | rhallisey: would you mind reviewing its depedant patch since that has to merge first... | 20:10 |
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openstackgerrit | Sam Yaple proposed openstack/kolla: Make OpenStack use Ceph https://review.openstack.org/225933 | 20:29 |
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rhallisey | SamYaple, ya sure | 20:32 |
rhallisey | SamYaple, I'll get to ceph tmr | 20:33 |
SamYaple | people have been saying that for 3 weeks now :/ | 20:33 |
rhallisey | I put it off I'm sorry | 20:34 |
rhallisey | tunnel vision on the json stuff took me away from the review q | 20:35 |
rhallisey | SamYaple, I'll try and get to it tonight. So in a few hours | 20:37 |
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openstackgerrit | Hui Kang proposed openstack/kolla: Add pub key to the VM booted by vagrant https://review.openstack.org/226115 | 21:02 |
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