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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla: Fix Manila v2 endpoint https://review.openstack.org/290775 | 02:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla: Add local directory or file for source build https://review.openstack.org/281615 | 02:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Gerard Braad proposed openstack/kolla: Include docker python install and set shared flag https://review.openstack.org/290973 | 04:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | MD NADEEM proposed openstack/kolla: Refactor task names in reconfigure scripts https://review.openstack.org/289778 | 04:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | Swapnil Kulkarni (coolsvap) proposed openstack/kolla: Update gnocchi for centos binary https://review.openstack.org/290985 | 05:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Martin André proposed openstack/kolla: Provide instruction to generate kolla-build.conf https://review.openstack.org/291000 | 05:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Swapnil Kulkarni (coolsvap) proposed openstack/kolla: Update gnocchi for centos binary https://review.openstack.org/290985 | 07:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Swapnil Kulkarni (coolsvap) proposed openstack/kolla: Update gnocchi for centos binary https://review.openstack.org/290985 | 07:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Swapnil Kulkarni (coolsvap) proposed openstack/kolla: Update gnocchi for centos binary https://review.openstack.org/290985 | 07:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla: Provide instruction to generate kolla-build.conf https://review.openstack.org/291000 | 07:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Michal Rostecki proposed openstack/kolla-mesos: Make neutron-openvswitch-agent dependent on openvswitch-vswitchd https://review.openstack.org/289349 | 07:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Michal Rostecki proposed openstack/kolla-mesos: Use constraints only on multinode deployment https://review.openstack.org/285970 | 07:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Martin André proposed openstack/kolla: Document required libvirt python bindings https://review.openstack.org/291047 | 08:01 |
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| ajafo | o/ | 08:30 |
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| nihilifer | asalkeld: do we plan to move "deploy" command to cli/ as well? | 08:39 |
| asalkeld | nihilifer: not sure, maybe? | 08:39 |
| asalkeld | yeah, could have "kolla-mesos deploy <profile>" | 08:40 |
| nihilifer | asalkeld: ok. i'm thinking whether to move cleanup stuff to cli/. and i think that we can have commands "kolla-mesos deployment start" and "kolla-mesos deployment destroy" or something like that | 08:40 |
| nihilifer | and keep the two commands in cli/deployment.py | 08:40 |
| asalkeld | nihilifer: yeah I can do that | 08:41 |
| asalkeld | i need to update that patch series | 08:41 |
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| nihilifer | ok, thx | 08:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed openstack/kolla-mesos: CLI: Implement service definition https://review.openstack.org/286992 | 08:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed openstack/kolla-mesos: Move common config functions into a new file https://review.openstack.org/286995 | 08:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed openstack/kolla-mesos: Move Runner classes to service.py https://review.openstack.org/286994 | 08:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed openstack/kolla-mesos: CLI: implement service commands https://review.openstack.org/286996 | 08:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed openstack/kolla-mesos: CLI: implement config commands https://review.openstack.org/289295 | 08:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed openstack/kolla-mesos: Remove deployment_id_prefix for per-service commands https://review.openstack.org/291054 | 08:43 |
| asalkeld | see: Remove deployment_id_prefix :-O | 08:43 |
| asalkeld | makes no sense for per-service stuff | 08:43 |
| asalkeld | each service gets a different deployment_id | 08:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Bourke proposed openstack/kolla: Add missing 'yum clean all' in oraclelinux base https://review.openstack.org/291089 | 10:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Bourke proposed openstack/kolla: DO-NOT-MERGE: debug oraclelinux binary in gate https://review.openstack.org/291100 | 11:02 |
| ccesario | good morning... | 11:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Bourke proposed openstack/kolla: DO-NOT-MERGE: debug oraclelinux binary in gate https://review.openstack.org/291100 | 11:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michal Rostecki proposed openstack/kolla-mesos: Make neutron-openvswitch-agent dependent on openvswitch-vswitchd https://review.openstack.org/289349 | 11:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Michal Rostecki proposed openstack/kolla-mesos: Use constraints only on multinode deployment https://review.openstack.org/285970 | 11:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Michal Rostecki proposed openstack/kolla-mesos: Move yaml_utils to type_utils https://review.openstack.org/291114 | 11:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Michal Rostecki proposed openstack/kolla-mesos: [WIP] Add deployment_id and timestamp to every named volume https://review.openstack.org/291115 | 11:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Michal Rostecki proposed openstack/kolla-mesos: [WIP] Cleanup volumes on multiple nodes https://review.openstack.org/291116 | 11:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla: Document the new 'local' type for source build https://review.openstack.org/291011 | 11:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla: Add centos-extras repo to oraclelinux-base https://review.openstack.org/290591 | 11:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla: Document required libvirt python bindings https://review.openstack.org/291047 | 11:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Swapnil Kulkarni (coolsvap) proposed openstack/kolla: Update gnocchi for centos binary https://review.openstack.org/290985 | 11:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla: Add missing 'yum clean all' in oraclelinux base https://review.openstack.org/291089 | 12:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Paul Bourke proposed openstack/kolla: Add missing 'yum clean all' to mariadb https://review.openstack.org/291148 | 12:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Paul Bourke proposed openstack/kolla: DO-NOT-MERGE: debug oraclelinux binary in gate https://review.openstack.org/291100 | 12:38 |
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| nihilifer | can any core look at this commit? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285970/ | 13:03 |
| nihilifer | sorry for pushing for reviews, but without that, master is broken (it means - unable to deploy AIO) | 13:03 |
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| akwasnie | nihilifier: I am looking at it now | 13:12 |
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| akwasnie | s/nihilifier/nihilifer | 13:13 |
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| ccesario | pbourke_, look there http://sprunge.us/XSLO?ini | 13:25 |
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| nihilifer | akwasnie: thx | 13:28 |
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| nihilifer | akwasnie: you abstain from +1 workflow vote? ;) | 13:39 |
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| mgoddard | hi kolla, I'm currently evaluating OSA and kolla for use in deploying OpenStack. Could anyone provide any examples of Kolla in use in production? | 13:42 |
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| akwasnie | nihilifer: done:) | 13:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla-mesos: Use constraints only on multinode deployment https://review.openstack.org/285970 | 13:59 |
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| pbourke_ | ccesario: can you post your inventory please | 14:18 |
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| ccesario | pbourke_, http://sprunge.us/LHDg?ini | 14:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla-mesos: Make neutron-openvswitch-agent dependent on openvswitch-vswitchd https://review.openstack.org/289349 | 14:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | MD NADEEM proposed openstack/kolla: Manila ubuntu binary container https://review.openstack.org/286379 | 14:41 |
| pbourke_ | ccesario: have you tried putting a node in the storage group | 14:42 |
| ccesario | yes... the same problem happen | 14:44 |
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| ccesario | pbourke_, therefore I asked you if you had success :) | 14:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | MD NADEEM proposed openstack/kolla: Manila ubuntu binary container https://review.openstack.org/286379 | 15:09 |
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| ccesario | pbourke, any tip!? | 15:32 |
| pbourke | ccesario: nothing right now, sorry | 15:32 |
| pbourke | ccesario: simplify your setup, see if you can get one node working then go from there | 15:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Eric Lemoine proposed openstack/kolla-mesos: [WIP] Fix OpenStack services registration https://review.openstack.org/291251 | 15:42 |
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| sdake | morning | 15:45 |
| ccesario | pbourke, let me try setup all in a unique node... | 15:45 |
| pbourke | hey sdake | 15:46 |
| ccesario | sdake, morning! | 15:46 |
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| sbezverk | sdake good morning | 15:46 |
| inc0 | good morning | 15:46 |
| sbezverk | sdake I managed to attach lvm volumes to swift :-) | 15:47 |
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| sbezverk | rhallisey do you have second to chat about tgtd? | 15:50 |
| rhallisey | sbezverk, ya what's up | 15:50 |
| sbezverk | rhallisey well thanks to your guidance now it is working. but I have to run it in foreground, which I hope is not a big problem.. | 15:51 |
| sbezverk | I managed to share lvm volume via iscsi interface | 15:51 |
| rhallisey | sbezverk, that should be fine | 15:52 |
| rhallisey | nice | 15:52 |
| sbezverk | the main issue I see is that I cannor find any library or API which would use it.. | 15:52 |
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| sbezverk | example to setup a target I have use docker exec iscsi tgtdadm blah blah | 15:53 |
| sbezverk | rhallisey I do not understand how this model could be used with cinder.. | 15:54 |
| sbezverk | rhallisey any thoughts? | 15:55 |
| rhallisey | I think you need to just make cinder aware you're using it and where it is | 15:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michal Jastrzebski (inc0) proposed openstack/kolla: Playbook for rabbitmq upgrade https://review.openstack.org/287969 | 15:58 |
| rhallisey | sbezverk, check the cinder's config | 15:59 |
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| rhallisey | somewhere in cinder-volumes this belongs.. | 16:00 |
| rhallisey | I'll have to check the docs | 16:00 |
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| sbezverk | rhallisey I briefly check cinder code and I noticed they heavily use iscsid api they, cinder also stores targets in /etc/target/saveconfig.json | 16:02 |
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| sbezverk | which is not the case with tgtd, everytime container restart all targets must be re-created.. | 16:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michal Jastrzebski (inc0) proposed openstack/kolla: Playbook for rabbitmq upgrade https://review.openstack.org/287969 | 16:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Bourke proposed openstack/kolla: DO-NOT-MERGE: debug oraclelinux binary in gate https://review.openstack.org/291100 | 16:07 |
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| sdake_ | anyone have any atc passes they dont plan to use? | 16:10 |
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| sdake | inc0 morning dude whats up:) | 16:11 |
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| inc0 | sdake, now I have teeth problems :< | 16:11 |
| SamYaple | sdake: im not sure you can share those | 16:11 |
| sdake | inc0 sorry to hear it | 16:11 |
| SamYaple | its definetely not in the spirit of the pass if you can | 16:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Michal Jastrzebski (inc0) proposed openstack/kolla: Playbook for rabbitmq upgrade https://review.openstack.org/287969 | 16:12 |
| sdake | inc0 hopefully not a root canal | 16:12 |
| inc0 | nah, it's wisdom tooth | 16:12 |
| sdake | oh dude | 16:12 |
| sdake | ou shoudl have those pulled hwen your 16 | 16:12 |
| inc0 | well, it will get pulled soon | 16:13 |
| sdake | as an adult its much worse :( | 16:13 |
| inc0 | fortunately it's not killimg me | 16:13 |
| inc0 | SamYaple, what do you mean by this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287969/6/docker/rabbitmq/Dockerfile.j2 it's combined | 16:16 |
| SamYaple | inc0: combine it with line 33 | 16:17 |
| SamYaple | as in chmod 755 /bin1 /bin2 | 16:17 |
| pbourke | inc0: my wisdom tooth flares up every now and then | 16:17 |
| SamYaple | thats what we do in other dockerfiles for a reason too | 16:17 |
| pbourke | inc0: thankfully it goes away within a day or so. but I reckon eventually it will get me | 16:18 |
| SamYaple | you guys need to get those pulled! | 16:18 |
| inc0 | pbourke, that's what is happening to me | 16:18 |
| inc0 | but it can get ugly | 16:18 |
| inc0 | so I'm pulling it | 16:18 |
| SamYaple | i got mine pulled and got some yummy pain medicine | 16:18 |
| pbourke | that's a bit enough operation though right? | 16:18 |
| pbourke | *big | 16:18 |
| inc0 | nah | 16:18 |
| SamYaple | its not so bad | 16:18 |
| pbourke | I think in some cases it can be | 16:18 |
| inc0 | lower jaw ones were pretty bad | 16:19 |
| SamYaple | they had to knock me out and cut out the teeth | 16:19 |
| pbourke | >_< | 16:19 |
| SamYaple | i was back up within 3 days | 16:19 |
| openstackgerrit | Eric Lemoine proposed openstack/kolla-mesos: Make deploy.py ignore conf files not ending w/ .j2 https://review.openstack.org/291277 | 16:19 |
| openstackgerrit | Michal Jastrzebski (inc0) proposed openstack/kolla: Playbook for rabbitmq upgrade https://review.openstack.org/287969 | 16:21 |
| inc0 | SamYaple, that is what you meant? | 16:22 |
| rhallisey | inc0, I'm getting my wisdom teeth out after summit | 16:23 |
| rhallisey | only got 3 O.o | 16:23 |
| inc0 | well...you need wisdom for them | 16:23 |
| inc0 | so I guess there were only so much of it to spare... | 16:23 |
| inc0 | :P | 16:23 |
| rhallisey | heh they told me I was evolved because I only had 3 XD | 16:24 |
| SamYaple | inc0: so we just had to remove all the hostname reference stuff on ceph because it was a requirement | 16:25 |
| SamYaple | we are in the same boat for rabbitmq | 16:26 |
| SamYaple | hostnames are a requirement | 16:26 |
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| inc0 | hold on now | 16:26 |
| inc0 | we're using hostnames or not using hostnames? | 16:26 |
| inc0 | my code is using hostname | 16:26 |
| SamYaple | for ceph we removed hostnames | 16:26 |
| SamYaple | yea i know thats what im saying | 16:27 |
| SamYaple | we should probably talk this out for a minute | 16:27 |
| inc0 | ok...let's talk | 16:27 |
| SamYaple | i only bring it up now because we _just_ removed hostnames | 16:27 |
| SamYaple | from ceph | 16:27 |
| ccesario | pbourke, http://sprunge.us/iKCg?log it works as expected | 16:27 |
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| ccesario | using a unique host | 16:28 |
| inc0 | SamYaple, I kinda agree | 16:28 |
| inc0 | but Newton | 16:28 |
| SamYaple | but newton what? | 16:28 |
| inc0 | let's do this in newton | 16:28 |
| SamYaple | the host name situation broke ceph, and so will it break rabbit in the same situation | 16:28 |
| inc0 | doesn't rabbitmq require hostnames tho? afair it was a thing | 16:28 |
| SamYaple | its not a newton thing, its a make the decision now thing | 16:29 |
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| inc0 | SamYaple, how it broke ceph? | 16:29 |
| inc0 | what was broken exactly? | 16:29 |
| SamYaple | interface ip didnt match hostname | 16:29 |
| inc0 | can we make it match hostname tho? | 16:30 |
| inc0 | or rather require for Mitaka that it matches? | 16:30 |
| inc0 | it's a configuration thing | 16:30 |
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| SamYaple | thats what we said before, no we arent making it a requirement | 16:31 |
| SamYaple | hence the change to ceph | 16:31 |
| inc0 | I kinda don't want to rewrite rabbimq configs and logic 2 weeks before release | 16:31 |
| SamYaple | its not rabbitmq configs | 16:31 |
| SamYaple | is cluster config | 16:31 |
| SamYaple | clutsrerer* | 16:31 |
| inc0 | either wat | 16:31 |
| inc0 | way | 16:31 |
| SamYaple | its much simpler | 16:31 |
| inc0 | can we make it a requirement tho? | 16:32 |
| SamYaple | we decided yesterday, no | 16:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Serguei Bezverkhi proposed openstack/kolla: Partially-Implements: blueprint iscsi-lvm2-docker https://review.openstack.org/291285 | 16:32 |
| inc0 | ok | 16:32 |
| SamYaple | remember, this requires dns | 16:32 |
| inc0 | or /etc/hosts | 16:32 |
| inc0 | but ok | 16:32 |
| SamYaple | its not just _local_ hostname resolution | 16:32 |
| SamYaple | yea | 16:32 |
| SamYaple | converting rabbitmq to non-hostname will be a breeze, i just want to talk it out | 16:33 |
| inc0 | I would need to change parts of upgrade, but nothing too fancy I think | 16:33 |
| SamYaple | i think only the when conditional | 16:33 |
| inc0 | and a regex magics | 16:34 |
| SamYaple | i mean if you have to change regex then they were bad regex | 16:34 |
| inc0 | well it was regex that will match hostname | 16:34 |
| SamYaple | regex should get everything between x and y, that being hte name of the node no matter the content | 16:34 |
| SamYaple | yea i guess i didnt pick up on that, but it should be pulling out the gospel node content | 16:35 |
| inc0 | then it would fail because we check hostname | 16:35 |
| inc0 | it does | 16:35 |
| SamYaple | then you shouldnt need to change it | 16:35 |
| SamYaple | if its pulling out from x to y, then you should be fine | 16:35 |
| inc0 | hostname != ip addr | 16:35 |
| SamYaple | if you are trying to parse the hostname were doing it wrong | 16:35 |
| SamYaple | yea like i said the when conditional changes, but the regex shouldnt have to unless its a bad regex | 16:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Bourke proposed openstack/kolla: DO-NOT-MERGE: debug oraclelinux binary in gate https://review.openstack.org/291100 | 16:56 |
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| dave-mccowan | for anyone keeping score on fast build times, i got about an 8x performance improvement in container build time switching to overlayFS. w00t! i'm using HDD, so I still aspire to be as fast as sdake's deploy. | 17:04 |
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| sdake | dave-mccowan what is your total time then? | 17:04 |
| sdake | note i have problems building multiple timeson overlayfs with centos | 17:05 |
| sdake | i think the ovl yum plugin is broken | 17:05 |
| sdake | i always run cleanup-images between builds | 17:05 |
| dave-mccowan | slightly under 30 minutes from scratch. | 17:05 |
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| sdake | nice - yup big difference fast storage makes | 17:06 |
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| mgoddard | hi kolla, I'm currently evaluating OSA and kolla for use in deploying OpenStack. Could anyone provide any examples of Kolla in use in production? | 17:07 |
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| SamYaple | mgoddard: oracle has a product based around kolla | 17:21 |
| SamYaple | they currently sell it | 17:22 |
| sdake | mgoddard unfortunately people selling kolla don't share their customer list, for obvious reasons | 17:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Serguei Bezverkhi proposed openstack/kolla: Partially-Implements: blueprint iscsi-lvm2-docker https://review.openstack.org/291285 | 17:22 |
| sdake | mgoddard I dont think people naturally want to deploy kolla without the backing of a large organization to support said product | 17:23 |
| sdake | kolla is a project for downstreams to turn into product, just like the rest of openstack ;) | 17:23 |
| mgoddard | thanks guys, good info. | 17:25 |
| ccesario | multinode using single host http://sprunge.us/iKCg?log and multinode using 3 hosts http://sprunge.us/PVWA?log | 17:26 |
| mgoddard | any thoughts on what's required to turn kolla into a product? what's missing? | 17:26 |
| ccesario | pbourke, ^^ | 17:26 |
| vhosakot | SamYaple: I've responded to your comment for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290816/.. | 17:27 |
| pbourke | mgoddard: support, branding, shiny UIs | 17:27 |
| mgoddard | is the python-kollaclient still in the pipeline? | 17:28 |
| sdake | no that was abandoned | 17:28 |
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| dave-mccowan | mgoddard Step 1) Kolla. Step 2) ?????, Step 3) Profit | 17:29 |
| mgoddard | what about the REST service? | 17:30 |
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| pbourke | ccesario: there's something strange going on with your inventory | 17:31 |
| SamYaple | mgoddard: a REST service for kolla-ansible is unlikely to happen | 17:31 |
| SamYaple | kolla-mesos, perhaps | 17:31 |
| pbourke | ccesario: like its deployed neutron then goes back over that role and skips every node | 17:31 |
| sdake | SamYaple i wouldn't use that term unlikely to happen - from whatI've seen there is a lack of a userstory around a rest api | 17:31 |
| sdake | if there were one that was viable, i think it would happen | 17:32 |
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| SamYaple | i said for kolla-ansible | 17:32 |
| pbourke | ccesario: try deploying tag by tag, first deploy rabbitmq, then mariadb, then keystone, etc. | 17:32 |
| pbourke | ccesario: and see which one fails | 17:32 |
| sdake | i was responding about kolla-ansible | 17:32 |
| SamYaple | its highly unlikely to ever happen for kolla-ansible | 17:32 |
| sdake | if userstory appears, i suspect it will happen | 17:32 |
| pbourke | ansible has no rest api | 17:32 |
| SamYaple | we dont have to get into the debate again, but the valid points i brought up arent addressed in any of the conversations becaue they have no answer | 17:32 |
| pbourke | so we can't bolt one on | 17:32 |
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| sdake | ya well it hasn't been eliminated as a possiblity jsut because group A couldn't repond to your questions | 17:33 |
| sbezverk | SamYaple I had to take a shortcut and change user for toolbox container to root, otherwise any lvm related commands did not work. which solution would you suggest to go back to user ansible? | 17:33 |
| ccesario | hmmmm let me try | 17:33 |
| sdake | if there are user stories that make sense, then i'm sure someone will implement it | 17:33 |
| SamYaple | i said highly unlikely, not no chance | 17:34 |
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| sdake | ok fair enough | 17:34 |
| mgoddard | seems like I stepped on a live one there :) | 17:34 |
| SamYaple | i stand by my statement and wording, but i think were on the same page | 17:34 |
| SamYaple | mgoddard: lol its been going on for a while | 17:34 |
| sdake | mgoddard the essential problem is nobody has said what a rest API would DO | 17:35 |
| SamYaple | mgoddard: we all _want_ a rest api, but with kolla-ansible it may not be possible | 17:35 |
| sdake | would it interface with kolla-ansible tool? | 17:35 |
| sdake | if so, whats the point | 17:35 |
| mgoddard | all good questions | 17:38 |
| mgoddard | but it's an OpenStack project - it _must_ have a REST API ;-) | 17:38 |
| SamYaple | mgoddard: its an openstack deployment project | 17:38 |
| SamYaple | its pre-opentack | 17:38 |
| mgoddard | yeh, it doesn't necessarily fit | 17:39 |
| SamYaple | i dont care about an api for initial deployment, i like the idea of an api _after_ deployment, as another openstack service | 17:39 |
| SamYaple | for things like health checks and possible expanding nodes | 17:39 |
| mgoddard | there are lifecycle-y things that could be done well with a service | 17:40 |
| mgoddard | anyway... any big, possibly non-obvious wins if I go with kolla over OSA? | 17:41 |
| SamYaple | mgoddard: do you plan on operating it? because if so youll hate OSA! | 17:42 |
| * SamYaple was an OSA operator from inception | 17:43 | |
| SamYaple | lots of what is kolla comes out of what is not OSA | 17:43 |
| SamYaple | kolla was built around the operator, where as OSA was built without the operator | 17:43 |
| SamYaple | but those are technical reasons, just design things | 17:43 |
| mgoddard | OSA was built by RAX, which surely contains operators? | 17:44 |
| SamYaple | mgoddard: i was one of those operators | 17:44 |
| SamYaple | it was not built by the operators | 17:44 |
| mgoddard | the plot thickens :) | 17:44 |
| SamYaple | I specifically built what we have in Kolla because of OSA | 17:44 |
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| SamYaple | here is what I will say, OSA can be deployed without containers. Kolla cannot, and never will be able to | 17:45 |
| mgoddard | so what were the main pain points of operating OSA? | 17:45 |
| SamYaple | they treat containers like vms, that means instead of me as an operator manging 10 nodes, im managing 80 nodes | 17:45 |
| SamYaple | each container also has its own networking stack, which is a big PITA to manage | 17:46 |
| SamYaple | kolla uses the host networking stack for containers for performance and ease of management | 17:46 |
| mgoddard | yes, agree on that one - ~100 interfaces per node! | 17:46 |
| mgoddard | does kolla intend to always use host networking? | 17:47 |
| SamYaple | mgoddard: its been discussed | 17:47 |
| SamYaple | kolla-ansible will use host netowrking for sure | 17:47 |
| SamYaple | kolla-mesos may not always use host networking | 17:47 |
| SamYaple | same with kubernetes | 17:47 |
| mgoddard | i.e. is it a design decision for simplicity, or to ensure that neutron works | 17:47 |
| SamYaple | it is for simplicity, speed, ease of use, speed.... | 17:47 |
| SamYaple | troublshooting what happened to your packet through 4 bridges on the same host isnt fun | 17:48 |
| mgoddard | I've spent enough time with neutron-openvswitch-agent to know that :) | 17:49 |
| SamYaple | right well you wouldnt have to with OSA | 17:49 |
| SamYaple | they dont support OVS | 17:49 |
| SamYaple | on the other hand, i was refering to 4 non-openstack OSA specific bridges, and not the linuxbridge stuff | 17:50 |
| sdake | dave-mccowan did you say it takes you 30 minutse to build, or30 minute sto deploy? | 17:50 |
| SamYaple | so remember, youll still have that ontop of it all | 17:50 |
| mgoddard | yep | 17:50 |
| SamYaple | for the record, our gate builds and deploys (launches a vm) in ~10m for ubuntu source | 17:51 |
| dave-mccowan | sdake build from a freshly installed linux server. second time might be faster if yum or docker caches something | 17:51 |
| dave-mccowan | i'm using the defaults (binary centos?) on centos 7.2 server. | 17:52 |
| sdake | SamYaple dave-mccowan is building all the vms, not the compute kit only | 17:53 |
| SamYaple | in the gate that takes 15m for ubuntu soruce | 17:53 |
| sdake | vms/containers :) | 17:53 |
| sdake | groan | 17:53 |
| sdake | dave-mccowan is going through a proxy server | 17:53 |
| mgoddard | what's up next for Kolla then? Newton and beyond? | 17:53 |
| dave-mccowan | oh.. is there a faster subset i can build? | 17:53 |
| sdake | mgoddard the foundation will be presenting a roadmap | 17:53 |
| sdake | dave-mccowan yes there is | 17:53 |
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| mgoddard | thanks sdake. any likely candidates? (promise I won't hold you to it...) | 17:55 |
| sdake | dave-mccowan try this https://github.com/openstack/kolla/blob/master/tox.ini#L181 | 17:56 |
| sdake | mgoddard the community put together its version of the roadmap | 17:56 |
| sdake | that is public here: | 17:56 |
| sdake | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-mitaka-midcycle-roadmap | 17:56 |
| sdake | ignore mitaka tracking things at risk | 17:57 |
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| mgoddard | thanks | 17:58 |
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| sdake | mgoddard have you tried out kolla? | 17:59 |
| mgoddard | yes I'm running it in a VM | 17:59 |
| sdake | pain points are what? | 17:59 |
| mgoddard | tried kilo first as that is where we are. realised it's quite far behind master so now trying that | 18:00 |
| sdake | ya master is mitaka | 18:00 |
| SamYaple | mgoddard: kilo is not a thing :P | 18:00 |
| SamYaple | our first 1.0.0 release was liberty | 18:00 |
| sdake | we also have a liberty version we need to sort out | 18:00 |
| sdake | kilo was actually our first release sam | 18:01 |
| sdake | but its no longer supported | 18:01 |
| sdake | n and n-1 is all we maintain at this point | 18:01 |
| SamYaple | our 1.0.0 release was liberty, that should say alot | 18:01 |
| sdake | we just changed the version numbers around | 18:01 |
| sdake | we started with 1 because we had joined the big tent | 18:01 |
| SamYaple | kilo had no multinode. it was tech privew at best | 18:02 |
| sdake | agreed | 18:02 |
| sdake | totally tech preview - its purpose was to buld a community | 18:02 |
| sdake | liberty was to build a deployment project | 18:02 |
| mgoddard | right - quickly realised kilo wasn't going to cut the mustard | 18:03 |
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| mgoddard | still, that's where the rest of our code is currently | 18:03 |
| SamYaple | mgoddard: I would wait until around april and start testing Liberty to be honest with you | 18:04 |
| SamYaple | being liberty was our first real release, we had some changes that were needed | 18:04 |
| SamYaple | so we will be releasing a y release of liberty (x.y.z numbering) instead of a z release | 18:04 |
| SamYaple | lots of stability changes | 18:04 |
| mgoddard | ok, good info | 18:05 |
| SamYaple | for now though, if you want to play with it, i suggest following the quickstart guide for master branch and doing an AIO deploy | 18:05 |
| SamYaple | it would give you a good idea what we are about | 18:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Serguei Bezverkhi proposed openstack/kolla: Partially-Implements: blueprint iscsi-lvm2-docker https://review.openstack.org/291285 | 18:06 |
| mgoddard | on the pain points - we'll be wanting to make significant extensions to Kolla. I'm a bit concerned about how it would integrate with a higher level tool | 18:06 |
| mgoddard | OSA OTOH has a doc page for this: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/openstack-ansible/developer-docs/extending.html | 18:07 |
| sdake | mgoddard would you mind expanding on the extensions, perhaps they belong in the code base proper or are already implemented | 18:08 |
| SamYaple | i mean its a reasonable concern to have. i cant comment on the specifics of what you need, i will say everything listed on that page can be done by kolla | 18:09 |
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| SamYaple | with the exception of the integrated playbooks bit | 18:09 |
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| mgoddard | it's probably not a big issue - kolla looks pretty flexible | 18:18 |
| mgoddard | the Kolla approach of providing a single Ansible entry point could limit addition of other playbooks/roles | 18:18 |
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| mgoddard | but that could fairly easily be wrapped or reimplemented | 18:19 |
| SamYaple | mgoddard: you are absolultely correct there | 18:19 |
| SamYaple | to be fair, we thought about going the ansible galaxy role like OSA, and we decided against that | 18:19 |
| SamYaple | they are certainly a truer ansible project | 18:19 |
| SamYaple | i feel we are a better openstack project though | 18:20 |
| SamYaple | all of these are of course opinions. I encourage you to try out both and make your own mind up | 18:20 |
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| mgoddard | opinions are useful. I'm trying out both, and forming some of my own | 18:21 |
| SamYaple | thats the way to do it | 18:22 |
| mgoddard | what's the kolla upgrade story looking like? | 18:22 |
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| SamYaple | upgrades will be there for Liberty->Mitaka and beyond | 18:22 |
| SamYaple | the way upgrades function is pretty much the same for most services, pull new images ahead of time to minimize downtime, restart each container (serially) | 18:23 |
| SamYaple | some special cases like nova come in where we need to bring down conductors all at once, but those are handled too | 18:23 |
| mgoddard | upgrades of kolla itself too? looked like OSA had some good tools for that | 18:24 |
| SamYaple | i dont follow? | 18:25 |
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| SamYaple | kolla upgrades would be handled with pip | 18:25 |
| SamYaple | pip install -U kolla | 18:25 |
| SamYaple | i mean you could use a git checkout too | 18:25 |
| SamYaple | thats more a dev thing though | 18:25 |
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| mgoddard | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/openstack-ansible/kilo/upgrade-guide/process.html | 18:27 |
| mgoddard | they provide a number of helper scripts to e.g. migrate your config to new formats | 18:27 |
| SamYaple | well sure, but thats migrate OSAD stuff to OSAD | 18:28 |
| SamYaple | should kolla ever need to migrate its stuff we would provide tools as well | 18:28 |
| SamYaple | but we dont | 18:28 |
| mgoddard | right, that's what I was getting at. | 18:28 |
| SamYaple | mind you, they have to apt-get upgrade in EACH CONTAINER | 18:28 |
| SamYaple | so there is alot more work involved in thier upgrades | 18:29 |
| SamYaple | youll find complexity is alot less with koll | 18:29 |
| mgoddard | I do get that impression | 18:29 |
| SamYaple | now thats not without downsides. but so far we havent had anything we couldnt come up with a solution for | 18:29 |
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| mgoddard | one thing that concerns me is that Docker requires new workflows | 18:30 |
| SamYaple | *maybe* | 18:30 |
| SamYaple | here is what i do, i have aliases | 18:30 |
| SamYaple | alias ovs-vsctl='docker exec -it openvswitch_vswitchd ovs-vsctl' | 18:30 |
| SamYaple | alias rabbitmqctl='docker exec -it rabbitmq rabbitmqctl' | 18:30 |
| SamYaple | alias rbd='docker exec -it ceph_mon rbd' | 18:30 |
| mgoddard | as you said before, you can kind of treat LXC containers like VMs, so maybe your more conservative sysadmins won't complain too much | 18:30 |
| SamYaple | i didnt hear anyone not compliaining.... | 18:31 |
| mgoddard | about LXC? | 18:31 |
| SamYaple | yea | 18:31 |
| SamYaple | so youre right, workflow may be a bit different with docker, but its alot different with LXC and contaienrs with ssh like vms | 18:31 |
| SamYaple | remember, none of your tools exist in those containers. need netcat? not installed. install it. need tcpdump? not installed. install it. try doing that before everyone of your comands | 18:32 |
| SamYaple | youll go insane! | 18:32 |
| mgoddard | true :) | 18:33 |
| mgoddard | or install useful stuff upfront | 18:33 |
| mgoddard | or use Ansible! | 18:33 |
| SamYaple | kolla has a bit of a different philosphy. we dont touch your host. we dont install docker for you. we dont install docker-py (which btw are our only two host requirements) | 18:33 |
| SamYaple | we just launch containers, and copy over some configs | 18:33 |
| SamYaple | cleanup is as simple as remove containers and configs (configs are in one location) | 18:34 |
| SamYaple | so anything you want on your host is up to you | 18:34 |
| SamYaple | we expect _you_ to manage your host, we wont do it for you | 18:34 |
| SamYaple | we dont mess with /etc/hosts, we dont add packages, we dont change your settings, etc | 18:34 |
| SamYaple | some people might like that, some wont. frankly i think its for the better | 18:35 |
| SamYaple | you have your own tooling, youll do it your way and thats different than me and my way | 18:35 |
| mgoddard | it works well for us | 18:35 |
| mgoddard | we have an ansible deployment framework based on https://github.com/openstack-ansible/openstack-ansible, which does setup the host | 18:36 |
| SamYaple | and the real big selling point for me (as with most operators) is image based deploy! no dependacy issues! if it worked once, it will always work | 18:36 |
| mgoddard | but we've been wanting to split that apart | 18:36 |
| SamYaple | oh youre openstack-ansible/openstack-ansible! | 18:37 |
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| SamYaple | i know you guys | 18:37 |
| SamYaple | i looked into your before OSAD was OSAD | 18:37 |
| SamYaple | back when it was still in the rax namespace on github | 18:37 |
| mgoddard | we didn't write the original | 18:37 |
| mgoddard | it was our starting point | 18:38 |
| mgoddard | it's worked fine up to now, but we've outgrown it :) | 18:39 |
| SamYaple | as with all things | 18:40 |
| SamYaple | anyway just keep in mind, if you take LXC out of the mix, i think OSA is about as good as it gets for deploying openstack | 18:40 |
| SamYaple | i still keep up with those guys and help them out when i see something i can help iwth. its a good group of people, we just differ drastically on how to use containers well | 18:41 |
| SamYaple | and thats the key | 18:41 |
| mgoddard | thanks for all your input SamYaple and sdake - it has been very useful. | 18:50 |
| SamYaple | i would talk to the OSA guys too. they are always helpful | 18:51 |
| mgoddard | I have already - they were equally helpful | 18:51 |
| SamYaple | cool. that sounds like them :) | 18:51 |
| sdake | mgoddard np | 18:56 |
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| sdake | mgoddard one last thing, oracle deploys kilo with the liberty version of kolla | 18:59 |
| sdake | i got impression it took about 1-2 weeks of engineering work | 18:59 |
| mgoddard | now that is good info sdake! | 19:02 |
| mgoddard | I wonder if they would care to share? | 19:02 |
| sdake | i've never asked | 19:02 |
| sdake | i think sorting out a diff wouldbe difficult as it may be intermixed with their other stuff | 19:03 |
| sdake | they use oracle's proprietary dataabase for exampel | 19:03 |
| mgoddard | ah | 19:03 |
| mgoddard | would be worth asking. even if they can outline the steps required | 19:04 |
| sdake | the real question for pbourke is whether they will rebase mitaka kolla to use liberty rpms | 19:04 |
| mgoddard | :) | 19:04 |
| sdake | actually their releasei is from source | 19:04 |
| sdake | but same idea | 19:04 |
| mgoddard | that was my next question - so pbourke is the person to speak to? | 19:05 |
| sdake | if they do that, then it would be possible to get a simple diff | 19:05 |
| sdake | or bmace | 19:05 |
| sdake | probably want bmace for that | 19:05 |
| sdake | the problem is not would they give it toy ou, but it costs r&d time to generate a diff of the changes | 19:06 |
| sdake | and as is, it is totally not usable for you because of their oracle-esk integrations | 19:06 |
| mgoddard | sure. I'll see if there is anything they're willing to help with. | 19:07 |
| mgoddard | anyway, I'm UK based and hungry | 19:07 |
| mgoddard | thanks again for all your help | 19:07 |
| sdake | pbourke is in ireland | 19:07 |
| sdake | he should be aroudn in your tz's | 19:08 |
| mgoddard | great! | 19:08 |
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| vhosakot | nihilifer: I have responded to your comment for the patch set https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290868/ | 19:36 |
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| SamYaple | mgoddard: pbourke is drinking right now. hell be back later | 19:39 |
| ccesario | pbourke, no success to try identify the source problem.... | 19:47 |
| ccesario | multinode using single host http://sprunge.us/iKCg?log and multinode using 3 hosts http://sprunge.us/PVWA?log suggestions are welcome :) | 19:48 |
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| vhosakot | ccesario: AIO logs look good.. nothing failed.... | 19:55 |
| ccesario | vhosakot, welll... it not exactly AIO | 19:55 |
| vhosakot | ccesario: I meant multinode on single host | 19:55 |
| ccesario | I used the multinode deploy using only one host | 19:55 |
| ccesario | yes yes | 19:56 |
| ccesario | heheheh | 19:56 |
| ccesario | but with three host ... it is a bit hard identify the problem :/ | 19:56 |
| vhosakot | ccesario: "ceph-mon;cinder-api;cinder-backup;cinder-scheduler;cinder-volume;rabbitmq" failed in multinode... I'd rerun each tag with "-t <tagname>" inidivudually using kolla-ansible deply | 19:57 |
| ccesario | like this ... right ? kolla-ansible deploy -i /var/src/dev-kolla/conf/01-operator/inventory -vvvvv -t rabbitmq | 19:59 |
| vhosakot | ccesario: yes! | 20:00 |
| ccesario | because in this case only rabbitmq will be installed (the storage section in inventory does not have host defined) | 20:00 |
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| vhosakot | ccesario: you can pass ceph for -t | 20:02 |
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| ccesario | well... in this case .. ceph cinder and rabbitmq | 20:07 |
| vhosakot | ccesario: yep | 20:07 |
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| ccesario | ceph http://sprunge.us/FTbI?log cinder http://sprunge.us/GfVg?log rabbitmq http://sprunge.us/NcGP?log success in all deploy | 20:12 |
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| vhosakot | ccesario: cool | 20:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla: Add cron image and playbook https://review.openstack.org/288432 | 20:22 |
| ccesario | vhosakot, or no..... because we cannot identify the source problem :/ | 20:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Andrey Pavlov proposed openstack/kolla-mesos: CLI: log command implementation https://review.openstack.org/291410 | 20:23 |
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| SamYaple | ccesario: remember, on a failed bootstrap you should clean that environment on all nodes (volumes, images, containers, /etc/kolla/*). then build new images, and run the pull playbooks before deploying | 20:24 |
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| vhosakot | SamYaple: is this documented anywhere ? | 20:26 |
| SamYaple | vhosakot: yup | 20:27 |
| vhosakot | SamYaple: cool, can you send the link.. I need it for my reference as well | 20:27 |
| SamYaple | its in the docs somewhere, we only have a few | 20:27 |
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| vhosakot | SamYaple: cool, I will search | 20:28 |
| ccesario | SamYaple, well.. I run a cleanup in all target nodes /// http://sprunge.us/YHJD?sh | 20:28 |
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| ccesario | vhosakot, did you find thi document ? | 20:36 |
| vhosakot | ccesario: cleanup-containers, cleanup-images and cleanup-host in tools/ directory | 20:37 |
| dave-mccowan | has anyone else seen this before? my rabbit container falls over. ERROR: epmd error for host dave-kolla: address (cannot connect to host/port) | 20:43 |
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| SamYaple | inc0: ^ aha! | 20:45 |
| SamYaple | we were just talking about the fact we use hostnames. we are removing that behaviour until it can be better thought out | 20:46 |
| dave-mccowan | ah. this is a fresh bare metal install. i guess i need to fix my /etc/hosts | 20:47 |
| SamYaple | that sounds correct dave-mccowan | 20:47 |
| SamYaple | though like i said we are switching to ips | 20:48 |
| SamYaple | if yo usee any otehr places where we use ansible_hostname let me know | 20:48 |
| SamYaple | i havent grepd the fs yet | 20:48 |
| SamYaple | but i think we do it in mariadb too | 20:48 |
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| vhosakot | SamYaple: yep, I see both ceph mon and mariadb has ansible_hostname in bootstrap.yml... Is ansible_hostname in other non-bootstrap files fine ? (like *.conf.j2 files of neutron, nova, haproxy, etc) ? | 20:59 |
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| sbezverk | SamYaple my git repo got screwed up, the one with iscsi changes. any advise to recover without loosing changes? | 21:05 |
| sbezverk | http://paste.openstack.org/show/490071/ | 21:06 |
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| SamYaple | sbezverk: git reflog | 21:31 |
| SamYaple | find where its screwed up and `git reset HEAD@{3}` or where ever its broke | 21:31 |
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| sbezverk | SamYaple thank you | 21:33 |
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| sdake | sbezverk i'm here | 21:45 |
| sdake | let me get some power | 21:45 |
| sbezverk | sdake if you can join me, I can show you the issue. I tried a couple of things suggested but so far no luck.. | 21:46 |
| sdake | link | 21:46 |
| sbezverk | https://cisco.webex.com/join/sbezverk | 21:47 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla: Update gnocchi for centos binary https://review.openstack.org/290985 | 21:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla: Add missing 'yum clean all' to mariadb https://review.openstack.org/291148 | 21:51 |
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| vhosakot | sbezverk: rebase, use "git diff" to see and resolve conflicts, then, follow these steps in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gerrit/resolve_conflict | 21:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Serguei Bezverkhi proposed openstack/kolla: iscsi container with lvm2 support https://review.openstack.org/291285 | 22:20 |
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| vhosakot | sbezverk: nice! how did you fix it.. can you please send the steps! :) | 22:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Serguei Bezverkhi proposed openstack/kolla: iscsi container with lvm2 support https://review.openstack.org/291285 | 22:30 |
| sbezverk | vhosakot git status, then check each file marked as merge conflict and manually change conflicting lines.. | 22:31 |
| vhosakot | cool | 22:32 |
| sbezverk | man I am glad it was only 3 files :-) | 22:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Serguei Bezverkhi proposed openstack/kolla: [WIP] iscsi container with lvm2 support https://review.openstack.org/291285 | 23:18 |
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| asalkeld | o/ | 23:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed openstack/kolla-mesos: CLI: Implement service definition https://review.openstack.org/286992 | 23:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed openstack/kolla-mesos: Remove deployment_id_prefix for per-service commands https://review.openstack.org/291054 | 23:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed openstack/kolla-mesos: Move common config functions into a new file https://review.openstack.org/286995 | 23:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed openstack/kolla-mesos: Move Runner classes to service.py https://review.openstack.org/286994 | 23:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed openstack/kolla-mesos: CLI: implement service commands https://review.openstack.org/286996 | 23:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed openstack/kolla-mesos: CLI: implement config commands https://review.openstack.org/289295 | 23:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed openstack/kolla-mesos: Move common config functions into a new file https://review.openstack.org/286995 | 23:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed openstack/kolla-mesos: Move Runner classes to service.py https://review.openstack.org/286994 | 23:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed openstack/kolla-mesos: CLI: implement service commands https://review.openstack.org/286996 | 23:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed openstack/kolla-mesos: CLI: implement config commands https://review.openstack.org/289295 | 23:44 |
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