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joefides | Is there a way in Murano to reuse networks that have been defined (or, really, any service). So, take for example, I create a VM/service that is a Zookeeper instance. Is there a way to then use that in a Murano UI template as, say, a dropdown (zk quorum 1, zk quorum 2, etc.)? | 04:23 |
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mihgen | akuznetsova_: hi | 07:07 |
mihgen | akuznetsova_: can we close https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/murano-update-services-json ? | 07:07 |
mihgen | akuznetsova_: code was landed into master.. | 07:08 |
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mihgen | and we still work on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/murano-metadata-repository-tests, right? | 07:08 |
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xwizard_ | Hi there! | 07:11 |
smurashov | mihgen: Yes, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/murano-update-services-json we have finished this blueprint | 07:11 |
smurashov | And https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/murano-metadata-repository-tests finished but we wait when code woulde be merged in master | 07:12 |
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mihgen | smurashov: thanks, marked as implemented first one | 07:18 |
mihgen | smurashov: second one, however, has patchset with -2 | 07:18 |
mihgen | smurashov: are you in negotiations with Tatyana on that one? | 07:18 |
mihgen | dteselkin: hi | 07:19 |
mihgen | dteselkin: take a look please at https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1298371 | 07:19 |
mihgen | dteselkin: could it be that it's already fixed or you keep it in the list of todo items? | 07:19 |
smurashov | mihgen: yes, when i did this patchset murano's latest code hadn't been in fuel | 07:21 |
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xwizard_ | mihgen: we plan to check it with new MOS image today. | 07:35 |
mihgen | xwizard_: ok, cool | 07:37 |
mihgen | xwizard_: what's your real name btw, it's not shown in IRC?) | 07:37 |
openstackgerrit | Sergey Kolekonov proposed a change to stackforge/murano-deployment: murano-ci jobs and scripts were added https://review.openstack.org/89584 | 07:42 |
xwizard_ | tnurlygayanov :) | 07:42 |
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openstackgerrit | Sergey Kolekonov proposed a change to stackforge/murano-deployment: murano-ci jobs and scripts were added https://review.openstack.org/89584 | 08:00 |
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openstackgerrit | A change was merged to stackforge/murano-dashboard: Remove some obsolete templates https://review.openstack.org/89840 | 08:43 |
openstackgerrit | A change was merged to stackforge/murano-dashboard: Rename all visible mentions of "Service" to "Applications" https://review.openstack.org/89792 | 08:44 |
openstackgerrit | A change was merged to stackforge/murano-dashboard: Rename all 'Application in Environment' to 'Component' https://review.openstack.org/89841 | 08:45 |
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openstackgerrit | A change was merged to stackforge/murano-dashboard: rename muranodashboard/tests to muranodashboard/test https://review.openstack.org/88712 | 09:01 |
openstackgerrit | A change was merged to stackforge/murano-dashboard: Fixes incorrect processing of deleting metadata https://review.openstack.org/89876 | 09:08 |
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openstackgerrit | Ekaterina Fedorova proposed a change to stackforge/murano-api: Improve ActiveDirectory app definition https://review.openstack.org/89822 | 09:20 |
openstackgerrit | Ekaterina Fedorova proposed a change to stackforge/murano-api: Improve ActiveDirectory app definition https://review.openstack.org/89822 | 09:23 |
openstackgerrit | Timur Sufiev proposed a change to stackforge/murano-dashboard: Do not create muranodashboard-image-cache on entering AppCatalog https://review.openstack.org/90039 | 09:44 |
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openstackgerrit | A change was merged to stackforge/murano-deployment: murano-ci jobs and scripts were added https://review.openstack.org/89584 | 10:18 |
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sergmelikyan | joefides, yes, there is a way, or correctly to be said going to be :) | 10:58 |
sergmelikyan | joefides, Curent master branch does not have any code related to network management, in v0.4 we were creating networks for each environment (in case of neutron). We plan to add very close functionality to 0.5, except one thing - ability to reuse networks. ativelkov has a good progress on advanced networking topic, and we expect to finish this in a few days | 10:59 |
sergmelikyan | ankurrr, owner_id maps to tenant_id | 11:00 |
openstackgerrit | Timur Sufiev proposed a change to stackforge/murano-dashboard: Fix adding linked applications to an Environment https://review.openstack.org/90055 | 11:01 |
openstackgerrit | Timur Sufiev proposed a change to stackforge/murano-dashboard: Fix adding linked applications to an Environment https://review.openstack.org/90055 | 11:04 |
joefides | sergmelikyan, does that apply to user created services as well (e.g., my zookeeper example). Or, another example--we would create a graphite server and want to expose the port and host to the other services we create so we don't have to manually enter it every time. | 11:09 |
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sergmelikyan | Services may be connected to each-other only in environment scope (e.g. select from dropdown existing/new service). | 11:14 |
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sergmelikyan | With v0.5 you will be able to have manually pre-created network that would be shared with few environments. So, Application created in one environment would be accessible from another via network. But you will not be able to select service from another env via drop-down :( | 11:17 |
sergmelikyan | joefides, but there is a slightly different use-case, when a some service (e.g. Zookeepper) is considered as external service, and you have in AppCatalog a simple wrapper application that do nothing more than provide to other applications credentials to access zookeeper | 11:20 |
joefides | sergmelikyan, that is more or less what I was talking about (even if the mechanics are not a quite a dropdown). First, I configure Zookeeper, then we'd like to use the quorum host and port config in our other services, but with as little intervention as possible (right now, it's a text field). You're saying something like that is in 0.5? | 11:24 |
sergmelikyan | This use-case covers some legacy infrastructure, but also may cover one described by you. You can have two applications in AppCatalog, one would deploy actual service, and another one give access to this service to other apps | 11:25 |
openstackgerrit | Timur Sufiev proposed a change to stackforge/murano-api: Revert "Remove hardcoded foreign keys from db.catalog.api" https://review.openstack.org/90060 | 11:27 |
sergmelikyan | Two features that is going to be available in 0.5 would solve you case: advanced networking with ability to reuse already created networks - gives ability to break environments boundaries for specific envs and still have routed networking topology for other VMs | 11:28 |
sergmelikyan | And MuranoPL features that give ability to write such wrapper | 11:29 |
sergmelikyan | Can you be more specific about how do you want to deploy Zookeeper? Am I understood correctly that there is a N Instances in one tenant that should be available to many environments? | 11:31 |
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openstackgerrit | Sergey Murashov proposed a change to stackforge/murano-api: Changed tests for murano repository https://review.openstack.org/85061 | 11:33 |
joefides | We don't necessarily need to use zookeeper as the only example...however, we'd need to pass the quorum string (host1:port,host2:port...) to our applications. In the case of graphite, just the host and port. In the case of, say, logstash, just the host. Which brings up another question--would be be able to use convention over configuration and simply give a graphite VM a hostname and reference that hostname w/in our other services? | 11:33 |
openstackgerrit | Sergey Murashov proposed a change to stackforge/murano-api: Changed tests for murano repository https://review.openstack.org/85061 | 11:35 |
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sergmelikyan | There is only one issue networking/environment boundaries. https://github.com/murano-project/murano-app-incubator/blob/master/io.murano.apps.apache.Tomcat/Classes/Tomcat.yaml | 11:40 |
sergmelikyan | ^^^ example of Tomcat application that reference PostgreSql. 4 params: name, pass, db, host | 11:41 |
sergmelikyan | https://github.com/murano-project/murano-app-incubator/blob/master/io.murano.apps.apache.Tomcat/Classes/Tomcat.yaml#L23 - defining dependency (property of class of specific type) | 11:41 |
sergmelikyan | https://github.com/murano-project/murano-app-incubator/blob/master/io.murano.apps.apache.Tomcat/Classes/Tomcat.yaml#L42 - Accessing property of dependency | 11:42 |
openstackgerrit | Timur Sufiev proposed a change to stackforge/murano-dashboard: Fix adding linked applications to an Environment https://review.openstack.org/90055 | 11:43 |
joefides | Great...I'll check those out in more detail. BTW, the definition looks more concise and straightforward than the method in 0.4...which is a good thing! | 11:44 |
joefides | U | 11:45 |
sergmelikyan | joefides, we very worked hard to bring this :) One of the major issue with 0.4 was XML. We created new language specificaly to solve issues that we found in our XML engine, and any feedback about MuranoPL would be very appreciated | 11:45 |
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sergmelikyan | joefides, https://drive.google.com/a/mirantis.com/file/d/0B3F5XCmYtnRdWDdET1EzX2xIeWs a little demo about this two apps. | 11:47 |
sergmelikyan | There you can see how it is look like in UI | 11:47 |
joefides | We're closing off our POC of Murano w/ some of our apps, so it may be a while before we try out 0.5 in earnest, but we can let you know what we find or any quesitons that we may have. One of the larger shortcomings was the documentation and how things worked in general (or, at least the ability to find those docs). I've seen some of the docs and they already look better to me, but the more, the better. | 11:48 |
sergmelikyan | joefides, 2:40 in demo | 11:49 |
sergmelikyan | joefides, we are working on documentation improvement, 0.5 has many new things that needs to be documented | 11:50 |
sergmelikyan | joefides, thx! | 11:50 |
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joefides | I know it's a process--thanks for your help and all of your hard work. | 11:50 |
joefides | One other question in a different vein... say we have two instances of process X. Due to some metrics, we determine we need another process to be spun up automatically. What would be the best process to do that...is that a new environment or some call into the existing environment to tell it to spin up a new instance? | 11:55 |
openstackgerrit | Sergey Murashov proposed a change to stackforge/murano-api: Add negative tests for murano repository https://review.openstack.org/89814 | 11:55 |
openstackgerrit | Sergey Murashov proposed a change to stackforge/murano-api: Add negative tests for murano repository https://review.openstack.org/89814 | 12:06 |
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openstackgerrit | A change was merged to stackforge/murano-api: Revert "Remove hardcoded foreign keys from db.catalog.api" https://review.openstack.org/90060 | 12:14 |
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sergmelikyan | joefides, you are talking about auto-scaling? It is not available now in Murano, we planned to use Mistral for this purpose. In next release there are plans for features like: events, actions. This features will cover case you are talking about. (ETA - m.b. first code-drop of Juno) | 12:27 |
sergmelikyan | But, this feature is available on Heat level, so it may be implemented/used in Murano very easily. | 12:29 |
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openstackgerrit | A change was merged to stackforge/murano-dashboard: Fix adding linked applications to an Environment https://review.openstack.org/90055 | 12:48 |
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openstackgerrit | Sergey Murashov proposed a change to stackforge/murano-api: Add negative tests for murano repository https://review.openstack.org/90078 | 13:24 |
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openstackgerrit | Timur Sufiev proposed a change to stackforge/murano-dashboard: Temporary drop 'Latest Apps' section from AppCatalog https://review.openstack.org/90081 | 13:34 |
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openstackgerrit | Sergey Murashov proposed a change to stackforge/murano-api: Add negative tests for murano repository https://review.openstack.org/90078 | 13:46 |
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openstackgerrit | Sergey Murashov proposed a change to stackforge/murano-api: Add negative tests for murano repository https://review.openstack.org/90078 | 14:03 |
openstackgerrit | Sergey Murashov proposed a change to stackforge/murano-api: Add negative tests for murano repository https://review.openstack.org/90078 | 14:05 |
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openstackgerrit | Ryan Peters proposed a change to stackforge/murano-dashboard: Separate tags with commas on Application Details page https://review.openstack.org/90090 | 14:12 |
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openstackgerrit | Timur Sufiev proposed a change to stackforge/murano-dashboard: Refactoring: move WizardView from environments to catalog https://review.openstack.org/90116 | 15:26 |
openstackgerrit | Timur Sufiev proposed a change to stackforge/murano-dashboard: Fill 'Latest Apps' section with recently deployed Apps https://review.openstack.org/90117 | 15:26 |
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openstackgerrit | A change was merged to stackforge/murano-dashboard: Separate tags with commas on Application Details page https://review.openstack.org/90090 | 15:50 |
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openstackgerrit | Alexander Tivelkov proposed a change to stackforge/murano-api: Added NetworkExplorer engine object class https://review.openstack.org/90140 | 16:37 |
openstackgerrit | Alexander Tivelkov proposed a change to stackforge/murano-api: Added NetworkExplorer engine object class https://review.openstack.org/90140 | 16:38 |
openstackgerrit | Alexander Tivelkov proposed a change to stackforge/murano-api: Added NetworkExplorer engine object class https://review.openstack.org/90140 | 16:38 |
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sjmc7 | sergmelikyan, ruhe, i added etherpads to the blueprints as a starting point. once the 0.5 release is out the door maybe we can discuss them | 16:47 |
ruhe | sjmc7: great, thank you! | 16:48 |
btully | i had a question about a ticket i am working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/murano/+bug/1305548 | 16:49 |
btully | for when there are no applications/packages in the DB, we want to add messaging to the user that there are no items to display | 16:50 |
btully | obviously this will be a rare occurrence | 16:50 |
btully | recent feedback from efedorova and tnurlygayanov suggest adding a link to the package defnitions page so that the user can upload an application | 16:52 |
btully | however i'm wondering if all user's will have access to that. I'm also will all users be technically savvy enough to create and upload a package definition | 16:53 |
ruhe | btully: yeah, and in some cases package upload might be restricted to cloud admins | 16:55 |
btully | exactly | 16:55 |
btully | so maybe instead of a link to the package manager, we add some messaging that says something like "There are no applications available at this time. Please contact your cloud admin to request that applications be added to your catalog" | 17:02 |
ruhe | btully: i like your idea | 17:02 |
btully | this way, if it's the cloud admin reading the message, they *should* know what to do, and we avoid any unnecessary confusion to the user and/or complications arising from access privileges | 17:03 |
btully | super, thanks ruhe :) | 17:03 |
openstackgerrit | Alexander Tivelkov proposed a change to stackforge/murano-api: Added NetworkExplorer engine object class https://review.openstack.org/90140 | 17:04 |
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ativelkov | Folks, for now package uploading will be possible for all users, not admins only | 17:09 |
ativelkov | But making these packages public is supposed to be admin-only operation | 17:09 |
ativelkov | so, any user is able to manage packages within their tenant, but not packages of other tenants | 17:10 |
ativelkov | Later (in J-releases) we will add Role-based access restrictions | 17:10 |
ativelkov | I.e. the user will need to have "package_publisher" role to be able to upload packages | 17:11 |
sjmc7 | can we just rephrase the message? "Upload some packages or as you cloud admin to do so" or something? | 17:12 |
sjmc7 | this scenario seems like it will be very rare | 17:12 |
sjmc7 | there's also the case where you filter on a category with no accessible packages, which also needs a message | 17:12 |
sjmc7 | it's simpler just to have a generic one for both cases, though maybe less user friendly | 17:13 |
ativelkov | Well, I would select some neutral message | 17:13 |
ativelkov | Do we have a message for "No applications found for your search request" or somth? | 17:14 |
sjmc7 | that would be ok too | 17:14 |
sjmc7 | jsut a generic message, regardless of why it's happened. "No packages meet your criteria" | 17:14 |
sjmc7 | that case is more likely than having none installed at all | 17:14 |
ativelkov | Sure | 17:15 |
sjmc7 | so would that work? just treat no packages at all as a case of search criteria not returning anything? | 17:15 |
sjmc7 | that keeps it simple | 17:15 |
sjmc7 | that makes sense btully? | 17:16 |
btully | give me a few, trying to get murano running on my local then will read backscroll | 17:16 |
btully | yes a neutral message makes sense and was my original intent | 17:17 |
sjmc7 | cool | 17:17 |
btully | who makes the decision on what that text should say? | 17:18 |
btully | i'd rather get that confirmed before doing the commit/git-review dance over and over | 17:18 |
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igormarnat | btully, we do. Let's discuss your options:) | 17:19 |
sjmc7 | :) | 17:19 |
sjmc7 | my suggestion is something simple: "There are no applications matching your search criteria" | 17:20 |
igormarnat | Looks good to me. ruHe? | 17:21 |
sjmc7 | you got his nickname right! :) | 17:22 |
ruhe | igormarnat will receive two postcards from me! | 17:22 |
ruhe | igormarnat: yup, that text looks good | 17:23 |
btully | i like "There are no applications available at this time." with the option of adding "Please contact your cloud admin" | 17:23 |
btully | for the messaging under "Latest Apps" | 17:23 |
btully | and i like the previous suggestion for the search criteria when the category pulldown is used | 17:23 |
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igormarnat | btully: I like this one as well. | 17:29 |
btully | ok | 17:29 |
igormarnat | So to summarize, we are going to have | 17:30 |
igormarnat | "There are no applications matching your search criteria" | 17:30 |
igormarnat | When search returns nothing | 17:30 |
igormarnat | and | 17:30 |
igormarnat | "There are no applications available at this time." with the option of adding "Please contact your cloud admin" | 17:30 |
igormarnat | for the messaging under "Latest Apps" | 17:30 |
igormarnat | Right? | 17:30 |
btully | right | 17:31 |
btully | and to be clear | 17:31 |
btully | it's not so much search results as it is the App Category pulldown | 17:31 |
igormarnat | Yes | 17:32 |
btully | though maybe they are the same? | 17:32 |
sjmc7 | that pulldown is search criteria | 17:32 |
sjmc7 | is how i would treat it | 17:32 |
btully | ok, i get different routes when i use the search icon and enter a term vs using the App Category pulldown, so didnt know if they get handled differently | 17:33 |
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btully | nevermind, i see that the search form action is set to the catalog index, so yes, that should handle both scenarios | 17:34 |
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btully | I have updated the ticket with the latest discussion/consensus: https://bugs.launchpad.net/murano/+bug/1305548 | 17:57 |
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openstackgerrit | Brian Tully proposed a change to stackforge/murano-dashboard: Add message if no apps are in the database https://review.openstack.org/89922 | 18:25 |
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openstackgerrit | Ankur Rishi proposed a change to stackforge/murano-api: Add include_disabled param to pkg search https://review.openstack.org/89721 | 18:29 |
openstackgerrit | Ankur Rishi proposed a change to stackforge/python-muranoclient: for pkg list, make include_disabled default False https://review.openstack.org/90181 | 18:29 |
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openstackgerrit | Ankur Rishi proposed a change to stackforge/murano-dashboard: Pkg definitation page should show owned pkgs https://review.openstack.org/90185 | 18:35 |
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igormarnat | btully, sjmc7: thank you, guys! We'll discuss the solution with Kate and Timur, hopefully they'll agree:) | 19:06 |
btully | :) | 19:07 |
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openstackgerrit | Georgy Okrokvertskhov proposed a change to stackforge/murano-dashboard: Add Billing Statistics page https://review.openstack.org/90249 | 23:14 |
openstackgerrit | Georgy Okrokvertskhov proposed a change to stackforge/murano-dashboard: Add Billing Statistics page https://review.openstack.org/90249 | 23:16 |
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openstackgerrit | Ankur Rishi proposed a change to stackforge/murano-dashboard: Pkg definitation page should show owned pkgs https://review.openstack.org/90185 | 23:33 |
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