Thursday, 2014-04-24

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joefidesIs there a way in Murano to reuse networks that have been defined (or, really, any service).  So, take for example, I create a VM/service that is a Zookeeper instance.  Is there a way to then use that in a Murano UI template as, say, a dropdown (zk quorum 1, zk quorum 2, etc.)?04:23
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mihgenakuznetsova_: hi07:07
mihgenakuznetsova_: can we close https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/murano-update-services-json ?07:07
mihgenakuznetsova_: code was landed into master..07:08
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mihgenand we still work on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/murano-metadata-repository-tests, right?07:08
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xwizard_Hi there!07:11
smurashovmihgen:  Yes, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/murano-update-services-json we have finished this blueprint07:11
smurashovAnd https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/murano-metadata-repository-tests finished but we wait when code woulde be merged in master07:12
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mihgensmurashov: thanks, marked as implemented first one07:18
mihgensmurashov: second one, however, has patchset with -207:18
mihgensmurashov: are you in negotiations with Tatyana on that one?07:18
mihgendteselkin: hi07:19
mihgendteselkin: take a look please at https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/129837107:19
mihgendteselkin: could it be that it's already fixed or you keep it in the list of todo items?07:19
smurashovmihgen: yes, when i  did this patchset murano's latest code hadn't been in fuel07:21
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xwizard_mihgen: we plan to check it with new MOS image today.07:35
mihgenxwizard_: ok, cool07:37
mihgenxwizard_: what's your real name btw, it's not shown in IRC?)07:37
openstackgerritSergey Kolekonov proposed a change to stackforge/murano-deployment: murano-ci jobs and scripts were added  https://review.openstack.org/8958407:42
xwizard_tnurlygayanov :)07:42
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openstackgerritSergey Kolekonov proposed a change to stackforge/murano-deployment: murano-ci jobs and scripts were added  https://review.openstack.org/8958408:00
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openstackgerritA change was merged to stackforge/murano-dashboard: Remove some obsolete templates  https://review.openstack.org/8984008:43
openstackgerritA change was merged to stackforge/murano-dashboard: Rename all visible mentions of "Service" to "Applications"  https://review.openstack.org/8979208:44
openstackgerritA change was merged to stackforge/murano-dashboard: Rename all 'Application in Environment' to 'Component'  https://review.openstack.org/8984108:45
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openstackgerritA change was merged to stackforge/murano-dashboard: rename muranodashboard/tests to muranodashboard/test  https://review.openstack.org/8871209:01
openstackgerritA change was merged to stackforge/murano-dashboard: Fixes incorrect processing of deleting metadata  https://review.openstack.org/8987609:08
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openstackgerritEkaterina Fedorova proposed a change to stackforge/murano-api: Improve ActiveDirectory app definition  https://review.openstack.org/8982209:20
openstackgerritEkaterina Fedorova proposed a change to stackforge/murano-api: Improve ActiveDirectory app definition  https://review.openstack.org/8982209:23
openstackgerritTimur Sufiev proposed a change to stackforge/murano-dashboard: Do not create muranodashboard-image-cache on entering AppCatalog  https://review.openstack.org/9003909:44
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openstackgerritA change was merged to stackforge/murano-deployment: murano-ci jobs and scripts were added  https://review.openstack.org/8958410:18
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sergmelikyanjoefides, yes, there is a way, or correctly to be said going to be :)10:58
sergmelikyanjoefides, Curent master branch does not have any code related to network management, in v0.4 we were creating networks for each environment (in case of neutron). We plan to add very close functionality to 0.5, except one thing - ability to reuse networks. ativelkov has a good progress on advanced networking topic, and we expect to finish this in a few days10:59
sergmelikyanankurrr, owner_id maps to tenant_id11:00
openstackgerritTimur Sufiev proposed a change to stackforge/murano-dashboard: Fix adding linked applications to an Environment  https://review.openstack.org/9005511:01
openstackgerritTimur Sufiev proposed a change to stackforge/murano-dashboard: Fix adding linked applications to an Environment  https://review.openstack.org/9005511:04
joefidessergmelikyan, does that apply to user created services as well (e.g., my zookeeper example).  Or, another example--we would create a graphite server and want to expose the port and host to the other services we create so we don't have to manually enter it every time.11:09
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sergmelikyanServices may be connected to each-other only in environment scope (e.g. select from dropdown existing/new  service).11:14
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sergmelikyanWith v0.5 you will be able to have manually pre-created network that would be shared with few environments. So, Application created in one environment would be accessible from another via network. But you will not be able to select service from another env via drop-down :(11:17
sergmelikyanjoefides, but there is a slightly different use-case, when a some service (e.g. Zookeepper) is considered as external service, and you have in AppCatalog a simple wrapper application that do nothing more than provide to other applications credentials to access zookeeper11:20
joefidessergmelikyan, that is more or less what I was talking about (even if the mechanics are not a quite a dropdown).  First, I configure Zookeeper, then we'd like to use the quorum host and port config in our other services, but with as little intervention as possible (right now, it's a text field).  You're saying something like that is in 0.5?11:24
sergmelikyanThis use-case covers some legacy infrastructure, but also may cover one described by you. You can have two applications in AppCatalog, one would deploy actual service, and another one give access to this service to other apps11:25
openstackgerritTimur Sufiev proposed a change to stackforge/murano-api: Revert "Remove hardcoded foreign keys from db.catalog.api"  https://review.openstack.org/9006011:27
sergmelikyanTwo features that is going to be available in 0.5 would solve you case: advanced networking with ability to reuse already created networks - gives ability to break environments boundaries for specific envs and still have routed networking topology for other VMs11:28
sergmelikyanAnd MuranoPL features that give ability to write such wrapper11:29
sergmelikyanCan you be more specific about how do you want to deploy Zookeeper? Am I understood correctly that there is a N Instances in one tenant that should be available to many  environments?11:31
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openstackgerritSergey Murashov proposed a change to stackforge/murano-api: Changed tests for murano repository  https://review.openstack.org/8506111:33
joefidesWe don't necessarily need to use zookeeper as the only example...however, we'd need to pass the quorum string (host1:port,host2:port...) to our applications.  In the case of graphite, just the host and port.  In the case of, say, logstash, just the host.  Which brings up another question--would be be able to use convention over configuration and simply give a graphite VM a hostname and reference that hostname w/in our other services?11:33
openstackgerritSergey Murashov proposed a change to stackforge/murano-api: Changed tests for murano repository  https://review.openstack.org/8506111:35
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sergmelikyanThere is only one issue networking/environment boundaries. https://github.com/murano-project/murano-app-incubator/blob/master/io.murano.apps.apache.Tomcat/Classes/Tomcat.yaml11:40
sergmelikyan^^^ example of Tomcat application that reference PostgreSql. 4 params: name, pass, db, host11:41
sergmelikyanhttps://github.com/murano-project/murano-app-incubator/blob/master/io.murano.apps.apache.Tomcat/Classes/Tomcat.yaml#L23 - defining dependency (property of class of specific type)11:41
sergmelikyanhttps://github.com/murano-project/murano-app-incubator/blob/master/io.murano.apps.apache.Tomcat/Classes/Tomcat.yaml#L42 - Accessing property of dependency11:42
openstackgerritTimur Sufiev proposed a change to stackforge/murano-dashboard: Fix adding linked applications to an Environment  https://review.openstack.org/9005511:43
joefidesGreat...I'll check those out in more detail.  BTW, the definition looks more concise and straightforward than the method in 0.4...which is a good thing!11:44
joefidesU11:45
sergmelikyanjoefides, we very worked hard to bring this :) One of the major issue with 0.4 was XML. We created new language specificaly to solve issues that we found in our XML engine, and any feedback about MuranoPL would be very appreciated11:45
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sergmelikyanjoefides, https://drive.google.com/a/mirantis.com/file/d/0B3F5XCmYtnRdWDdET1EzX2xIeWs a little demo about this two apps.11:47
sergmelikyanThere you can see how it is look like in UI11:47
joefidesWe're closing off our POC of Murano w/ some of our apps, so it may be a while before we try out 0.5 in earnest, but we can let you know what we find or any quesitons that we may have.  One of the larger shortcomings was the documentation and how things worked in general (or, at least the ability to find those docs).  I've seen some of the docs and they already look better to me, but the more, the better.11:48
sergmelikyanjoefides, 2:40 in demo11:49
sergmelikyanjoefides, we are working on documentation improvement, 0.5 has many new things that needs to be documented11:50
sergmelikyanjoefides, thx!11:50
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joefidesI know it's a process--thanks for your help and all of your hard work.11:50
joefidesOne other question in a different vein... say we have two instances of process X.  Due to some metrics, we determine we need another process to be spun up automatically.  What would be the best process to do that...is that a new environment or some call into the existing environment to tell it to spin up a new instance?11:55
openstackgerritSergey Murashov proposed a change to stackforge/murano-api: Add negative tests for murano repository  https://review.openstack.org/8981411:55
openstackgerritSergey Murashov proposed a change to stackforge/murano-api: Add negative tests for murano repository  https://review.openstack.org/8981412:06
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openstackgerritA change was merged to stackforge/murano-api: Revert "Remove hardcoded foreign keys from db.catalog.api"  https://review.openstack.org/9006012:14
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sergmelikyanjoefides, you are talking about auto-scaling? It is not available now in Murano, we planned to use Mistral for this purpose. In next release there are plans for features like: events, actions. This features will cover case you are talking about. (ETA - m.b. first code-drop of Juno)12:27
sergmelikyanBut, this feature is available on Heat level, so it may be implemented/used in Murano very easily.12:29
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openstackgerritA change was merged to stackforge/murano-dashboard: Fix adding linked applications to an Environment  https://review.openstack.org/9005512:48
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openstackgerritSergey Murashov proposed a change to stackforge/murano-api: Add negative tests for murano repository  https://review.openstack.org/9007813:24
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openstackgerritTimur Sufiev proposed a change to stackforge/murano-dashboard: Temporary drop 'Latest Apps' section from AppCatalog  https://review.openstack.org/9008113:34
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openstackgerritSergey Murashov proposed a change to stackforge/murano-api: Add negative tests for murano repository  https://review.openstack.org/9007813:46
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openstackgerritSergey Murashov proposed a change to stackforge/murano-api: Add negative tests for murano repository  https://review.openstack.org/9007814:03
openstackgerritSergey Murashov proposed a change to stackforge/murano-api: Add negative tests for murano repository  https://review.openstack.org/9007814:05
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openstackgerritRyan Peters proposed a change to stackforge/murano-dashboard: Separate tags with commas on Application Details page  https://review.openstack.org/9009014:12
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openstackgerritSergey Murashov proposed a change to stackforge/murano-api: Add negative tests for murano repository  https://review.openstack.org/9007814:34
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openstackgerritTimur Sufiev proposed a change to stackforge/murano-dashboard: Refactoring: move WizardView from environments to catalog  https://review.openstack.org/9011615:26
openstackgerritTimur Sufiev proposed a change to stackforge/murano-dashboard: Fill 'Latest Apps' section with recently deployed Apps  https://review.openstack.org/9011715:26
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openstackgerritA change was merged to stackforge/murano-dashboard: Separate tags with commas on Application Details page  https://review.openstack.org/9009015:50
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openstackgerritAlexander Tivelkov proposed a change to stackforge/murano-api: Added NetworkExplorer engine object class  https://review.openstack.org/9014016:37
openstackgerritAlexander Tivelkov proposed a change to stackforge/murano-api: Added NetworkExplorer engine object class  https://review.openstack.org/9014016:38
openstackgerritAlexander Tivelkov proposed a change to stackforge/murano-api: Added NetworkExplorer engine object class  https://review.openstack.org/9014016:38
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sjmc7sergmelikyan, ruhe, i added etherpads to the blueprints as a starting point. once the 0.5 release is out the door maybe we can discuss them16:47
ruhesjmc7: great, thank you!16:48
btullyi had a question about a ticket i am working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/murano/+bug/130554816:49
btullyfor when there are no applications/packages in the DB, we want to add messaging to the user that there are no items to display16:50
btullyobviously this will be a rare occurrence16:50
btullyrecent feedback from efedorova and tnurlygayanov suggest adding a link to the package defnitions page so that the user can upload an application16:52
btullyhowever i'm wondering if all user's will have access to that. I'm also will all users be technically savvy enough to create and upload a package definition16:53
ruhebtully: yeah, and in some cases package upload might be restricted to cloud admins16:55
btullyexactly16:55
btullyso maybe instead of a link to the package manager, we add some messaging that says something like "There are no applications available at this time. Please contact your cloud admin to request that applications be added to your catalog"17:02
ruhebtully: i like your idea17:02
btullythis way, if it's the cloud admin reading the message, they *should* know what to do, and we avoid any unnecessary confusion to the user and/or complications arising from access privileges17:03
btullysuper, thanks ruhe :)17:03
openstackgerritAlexander Tivelkov proposed a change to stackforge/murano-api: Added NetworkExplorer engine object class  https://review.openstack.org/9014017:04
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ativelkovFolks, for now package uploading will be possible for all users, not admins only17:09
ativelkovBut making these packages public is supposed to be admin-only operation17:09
ativelkovso, any user is able to manage packages within their tenant, but not packages of other tenants17:10
ativelkovLater (in J-releases) we will add Role-based access restrictions17:10
ativelkovI.e. the user will need to have "package_publisher" role to be able to upload packages17:11
sjmc7can we just rephrase the message? "Upload some packages or as you cloud admin to do so" or something?17:12
sjmc7this scenario seems like it will be very rare17:12
sjmc7there's also the case where you filter on a category with no accessible packages, which also needs a message17:12
sjmc7it's simpler just to have a generic one for both cases, though maybe less user friendly17:13
ativelkovWell, I would select some neutral message17:13
ativelkovDo we have a message for "No applications found for your search request" or somth?17:14
sjmc7that would be ok too17:14
sjmc7jsut a generic message, regardless of why it's happened. "No packages meet your criteria"17:14
sjmc7that case is more likely than having none installed at all17:14
ativelkovSure17:15
sjmc7so would that work? just treat no packages at all as a case of search criteria not returning anything?17:15
sjmc7that keeps it simple17:15
sjmc7that makes sense btully?17:16
btullygive me a few, trying to get murano running on my local then will read backscroll17:16
btullyyes a neutral message makes sense and was my original intent17:17
sjmc7cool17:17
btullywho makes the decision on what that text should say?17:18
btullyi'd rather get that confirmed before doing the commit/git-review dance over and over17:18
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igormarnatbtully, we do. Let's discuss your options:)17:19
sjmc7:)17:19
sjmc7my suggestion is something simple: "There are no applications matching your search criteria"17:20
igormarnatLooks good to me. ruHe?17:21
sjmc7you got his nickname right! :)17:22
ruheigormarnat will receive two postcards from me!17:22
ruheigormarnat: yup, that text looks good17:23
btullyi like "There are no applications available at this time." with the option of adding "Please contact your cloud admin"17:23
btullyfor the messaging under "Latest Apps"17:23
btullyand i like the previous suggestion for the search criteria when the category pulldown is used17:23
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igormarnatbtully: I like this one as well.17:29
btullyok17:29
igormarnatSo to summarize, we are going to have17:30
igormarnat"There are no applications matching your search criteria"17:30
igormarnatWhen search returns nothing17:30
igormarnatand17:30
igormarnat"There are no applications available at this time." with the option of adding "Please contact your cloud admin"17:30
igormarnatfor the messaging under "Latest Apps"17:30
igormarnatRight?17:30
btullyright17:31
btullyand to be clear17:31
btullyit's not so much search results as it is the App Category pulldown17:31
igormarnatYes17:32
btullythough maybe they are the same?17:32
sjmc7that pulldown is search criteria17:32
sjmc7is how i would treat it17:32
btullyok, i get different routes when i use the search icon and enter a term vs using the App Category pulldown, so didnt know if they get handled differently17:33
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btullynevermind, i see that the search form action is set to the catalog index, so yes, that should handle both scenarios17:34
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btullyI have updated the ticket with the latest discussion/consensus: https://bugs.launchpad.net/murano/+bug/130554817:57
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openstackgerritBrian Tully proposed a change to stackforge/murano-dashboard: Add message if no apps are in the database  https://review.openstack.org/8992218:25
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openstackgerritAnkur Rishi proposed a change to stackforge/murano-api: Add include_disabled param to pkg search  https://review.openstack.org/8972118:29
openstackgerritAnkur Rishi proposed a change to stackforge/python-muranoclient: for pkg list, make include_disabled default False  https://review.openstack.org/9018118:29
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openstackgerritAnkur Rishi proposed a change to stackforge/murano-dashboard: Pkg definitation page should show owned pkgs  https://review.openstack.org/9018518:35
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igormarnatbtully, sjmc7: thank you, guys! We'll discuss the solution with Kate and Timur, hopefully they'll agree:)19:06
btully:)19:07
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openstackgerritGeorgy Okrokvertskhov proposed a change to stackforge/murano-dashboard: Add Billing Statistics page  https://review.openstack.org/9024923:14
openstackgerritGeorgy Okrokvertskhov proposed a change to stackforge/murano-dashboard: Add Billing Statistics page  https://review.openstack.org/9024923:16
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openstackgerritAnkur Rishi proposed a change to stackforge/murano-dashboard: Pkg definitation page should show owned pkgs  https://review.openstack.org/9018523:33
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