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| pashkin | katyafervent, Okay, I get it | 08:11 |
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| ogzy | i am trying to install murano manually after i installed openstack via devstack to my vm | 08:54 |
| ogzy | here is what i get when i run tox -e genconfig | 08:54 |
| ogzy | ERROR: unknown environment 'genconfig' | 08:54 |
| ogzy | git clone https://github.com/stackforge/murano -b stable/juno is what i did before that | 08:55 |
| ogzy | any idea? | 08:55 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: hi, ^ | 08:55 |
| katyafervent | hi! | 08:56 |
| katyafervent | ogzy, genconfig was not available in juno, sorry | 08:56 |
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| ogzy | katyafervent: ok, can i try master branch with juno? | 08:57 |
| katyafervent | you can copy config from your devstack installation | 08:57 |
| katyafervent | with openstack juno? yes, it should work | 08:57 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: ok, i will try in that way | 08:57 |
| ruhe | we missed an interesting discussion. turns out that after several discussions sql experts decided to get rid of downgrade migrations in OpenStack: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/152337/ | 08:58 |
| katyafervent | well, it definitely works) | 08:58 |
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| ogzy | katyafervent: her eit says edit murano.conf is it the one under etc/oslo-config-generator/murano.conf or should i create one under /etc/murano | 09:12 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: or ./etc/murano/murano.conf.sample? | 09:14 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: i should create one there under the cloned directory right? | 09:15 |
| katyafervent | /etc/murano/murano.conf.sample | 09:16 |
| katyafervent | this file need to be edited and renamed to /murano.conf | 09:16 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: the one under the cloned directory then, not /etc but ~/murano/murano/etc .... | 09:17 |
| katyafervent | it could be located anywhere, when you'll run murano you will provide path to the config | 09:18 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: ok | 09:18 |
| katyafervent | but in our docs it's located under the directory you have pointed | 09:18 |
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| ogzy | katyafervent: now i am at the horizon installation part, should i tell tox to install it from master or the juno one? | 09:38 |
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| ogzy | katyafervent: and it will be installed in a virtualenv? | 09:40 |
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| katyafervent | ogzy, yes, it will be installed to venv | 09:49 |
| katyafervent | just don't change anything and it will install new horizon | 09:50 |
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| ogzy | katyafervent: i followed the documentation and i dont see a murano menu :) | 10:20 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: should i add somewhere again INSTALLED_APPS and HORIZON_CONFIG? | 10:22 |
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| katyafervent | ogzy, did you run murano prepare script? documentation says how to run it | 11:41 |
| katyafervent | http://murano.readthedocs.org/en/latest/install/manual.html#install-murano-dashboard | 11:43 |
| katyafervent | section number 5 | 11:43 |
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| ogzy | katyafervent: i did every step | 11:50 |
| katyafervent | no errors and nothing works? | 11:50 |
| katyafervent | tru to run django webserver on port other than 8000 | 11:51 |
| DaveJ__ | Hi guys - trying to understand Murano a bit better. I've used it to package my existing heat templates. But I was trying to understand what value it adds when using the MuranoPL etc. Are there examples of it's use. I saw the Telent example, but it didn't seem to do anything, that couldn't easily be achieved with a heat template | 11:52 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: it can not run port 8000, heat-api is runnint on that port so i run on 8080 | 11:53 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: do i need to add MURANO_API_URL = 'http://localhost:8082' | 11:54 |
| katyafervent | and on http://localhost:8080 you have not see murano? | 11:54 |
| katyafervent | did prepare murano script return success? | 11:54 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: it is added, i got no errors | 11:55 |
| katyafervent | yes, it says on the documentation, but dashboard should be browsed even without it | 11:55 |
| katyafervent | hi DaveJ__ ! | 11:55 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10627011/ local_settings.py | 11:56 |
| DaveJ__ | katyafervent: Hi - | 11:56 |
| DaveJ__ | katyafervent: Hoping to take full advantage of Murano, but still can't figure out how to best use it | 11:57 |
| katyafervent | DaveJ__, what are you trying to archive? combine regular app and heat template? what do you mean by 'value' | 11:57 |
| katyafervent | DaveJ__, you can run existing apps or write and deploy new ones :) | 11:57 |
| DaveJ__ | katyafervent: With the telnet example here: http://murano.readthedocs.org/en/latest/articles/app_pkg.html?highlight=telnet it is interesting. But It doesn't seem to do anything, that couldn't be acheived with heat templates on their own. | 11:58 |
| DaveJ__ | katyafervent: So I was wondering what Murano can do that, heat can't do | 11:58 |
| katyafervent | ogzy, could you make ls on openstack_dashboard/local/enabled somewhere directory under .tox/venv folder | 11:59 |
| DaveJ__ | katyafervent: A typical use-case I have is that are services are composed of multiple VMs. One is a Database system, where there is a primary instance, a secondary instance, and one or more replica instances. All nodes talk to the master, so I use heat to inject it's IP on startup. I then use serf to manage the cluster and handle when instances go away or | 12:00 |
| DaveJ__ | join. Does Murano provide anything like that? | 12:00 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: are you looking for this file? ./.tox/venv/lib/python2.7/site-packages/openstack_dashboard/local/enabled/_50_murano.py | 12:02 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: 40_router.py.example _50_murano.py _50_murano.pyc __init__.py __init__.pyc | 12:02 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: ls result for /home/oguz/murano/murano-dashboard/.tox/venv/lib/python2.7/site-packages/openstack_dashboard/local/enabled | 12:03 |
| katyafervent | ogzy, that's correct, let me think what else may be wrong, could you restart runserver and paste logs | 12:04 |
| katyafervent | DaveJ__, with murano you can configure application that will act that way | 12:04 |
| katyafervent | except databases https://github.com/stackforge/murano-apps | 12:05 |
| katyafervent | we don't have already written application, that implements behaviour that you describe | 12:06 |
| DaveJ__ | katyafervent: Ok - so is there any reason to use the MuranoPL rather than just heat ? | 12:06 |
| DaveJ__ | katyafervent: Or if I add an additional application to an existing environment, is there any workflow/hook mechanism to let the existing applications know about the new one ? | 12:08 |
| katyafervent | well, with murano you can create scalability and reliability clusters that will not require your interaction | 12:09 |
| katyafervent | DaveJ__, yes, let me find a good example for your | 12:09 |
| DaveJ__ | katyafervent: That would be great. a scalable and reliable cluster would be very useful. | 12:10 |
| stan_lagun | DaveJ__: considering that you can write plugins for Heat there is nothing that Murano can deploy and Heat cant. In fact you can do anything in Heat that you could ever do in Python | 12:14 |
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| DaveJ__ | stan_lagun: So would you recommend using heat templates rathre than muranoPL to define applications ? | 12:15 |
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| katyafervent | DaveJ__, https://github.com/stackforge/murano-apps/blob/master/io.murano.apps.ZabbixAgent/Classes/ZabbixAgent.yaml#L20 here you can set that one application is dependent from the other | 12:16 |
| katyafervent | and you are be able to call any methods or use properties that 'server' application has | 12:17 |
| stan_lagun | DaveJ__: no, I do not. It it not the case what is possible to do but how you can do it, how to reuse things, how to make it more customizable and extendable, how to model complex inter-application relations etc | 12:17 |
| stan_lagun | DaveJ__: it is like there is nothing that you can't do in assembly language but you will hardly recommend everyone to use it though there are cases when you should | 12:18 |
| DaveJ__ | katyafervent: I'll try to deploy that to get a better idea of whats happening. But If understand corerctly. If I have a environment with a Zabbix Server deployed. deploying a zabbix agent application will automatically talk to the server, without me having to tell it where the server is ? | 12:19 |
| stan_lagun | DaveJ__: still you can use HOT if it feets your needs and you fill comfortable with it | 12:19 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10627131/ | 12:20 |
| katyafervent | DaveJ__, https://github.com/gokrokvertskhov/murano-app-incubator/blob/monitoring-ha/io.murano.apps.java.HelloWorldCluster/Classes/HelloWorldCluster.murano#L31 | 12:22 |
| DaveJ__ | stan_lagun: Thanks - I understand that. I suppose what I was trying to understand, what higher level value MuranoPL added over HOT. Most of the examples just seem to launch a VM and inject a couple of scripts and execute them. This is something that typically is very easy in HOT templates, so I was wondering what value MuranoPL added. | 12:24 |
| katyafervent | Here you can see, that monitoring service is set up to check if cluster is alive and if not scaleUP action is used | 12:25 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10627164/ much better log | 12:25 |
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| katyafervent | ogzy, let me see | 12:26 |
| stan_lagun | DaveJ__: Let me try to explain the difference | 12:26 |
| katyafervent | ogzy, and could you send me screen shot which showing that murano is not browsed | 12:29 |
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| katyafervent | DaveJ__, yes, you can upload and test wordpress + zabbiz agent + zabbix server apps | 12:31 |
| DaveJ__ | katyafervent: I actually have them in the catalogue already. Just preparing an image, so I can try them out | 12:31 |
| DaveJ__ | One question - is there any way to construct a template for an entire environment ? | 12:31 |
| DaveJ__ | so if I wanted to create an environment with a agent, server could that be done in one step, via a API ? | 12:32 |
| stan_lagun | With HOT you have a set of resources that are written in Python and end user has no way to modify those sources. You can write additional resources in Python but that require you to be cloud operator. In MuranoPL the approach is similar with the difference that MuranoPL replaces Python, not HOT. MuranoPL is safe to be uploaded by untrusted user and to be run on shared host. So now you are free to create your own type of resources (classes) inherit from th | 12:32 |
| stan_lagun | em, compose them in any imaginable way and do all other OOP things that you can in other OOP languages. So now your application(s) became just another class (like resource type) that other applications can use or extend and so on. So instead of making one template that deploys everything you create reusable building blocks and let users to build something from them on UI without writing jsons/yamls | 12:32 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: http://tinypic.com/r/ojnn0z/8 | 12:32 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: http://tinypic.com/r/bdsb3l/8 | 12:33 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: http://tinypic.com/r/24x00ns/8 | 12:33 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: http://tinypic.com/r/2qxnm6u/8 | 12:34 |
| DaveJ__ | stan_lagun: That makes more sense, as a vendor I can't expect an operator to add my heat plugin, but it would be reasonable to supply a PL class. | 12:35 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: this shouldnt be that much hard :( | 12:35 |
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| serg_melikyan | Hi folks! | 12:37 |
| serg_melikyan | Today we released 2014.2.2 | 12:37 |
| serg_melikyan | https://launchpad.net/murano/juno/2014.2.2 | 12:37 |
| serg_melikyan | Only two changes, but very critical ones. | 12:38 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: do i need to add INSTALLED_APPS? | 12:40 |
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| katyafervent | ogzy, no, having _50_murano make horizon understands, that murano should be included | 12:51 |
| katyafervent | ogzy, could you please press on System (hide the menu) and send one more screen shot | 12:52 |
| katyafervent | Murano should be on the same level with Project and Admin and not inside | 12:53 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: here it is http://tinypic.com/r/2ljn5sj/8 | 12:56 |
| katyafervent | could you open link http://localhost:8080/murano/environmnets ? | 12:57 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: | 12:58 |
| ogzy | You do not have permission to access the resource: | 12:58 |
| ogzy | /murano/packages/ | 12:58 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: oh god | 12:58 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: same for environments | 12:59 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: from where can i add the permission to access those urls? keystone? | 13:00 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: can it be related with i enabled admin user account when i syncdb? | 13:03 |
| katyafervent | ogzy, seriously I've never see that before, when I run syncdb I answer 'no' | 13:04 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: better i drop database and say no | 13:05 |
| pashkin | What does "io" mean in the beginning of Murano packages names? | 13:06 |
| serg_melikyan | http://murano.io | 13:07 |
| serg_melikyan | Btw, we need to update screenshot and link to the demo to newest ones | 13:08 |
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| pashkin | So io means - Input/Output? | 13:09 |
| pashkin | So "io" means - Input/Output? | 13:09 |
| serg_melikyan | nope :) | 13:09 |
| serg_melikyan | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.io | 13:09 |
| serg_melikyan | ".io is the Internet country code top-level domain (ccTLD) for the British Indian Ocean Territory" | 13:09 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: i flush the database, say no when it asks for admin user and nothing changed :) | 13:09 |
| katyafervent | ogzy, how is the result? | 13:09 |
| serg_melikyan | But some startups prefer IO assumption :) Many startups register domains in that TLD | 13:10 |
| serg_melikyan | katyafervent: "nothing changed" | 13:10 |
| serg_melikyan | Folks, we need to abandon all changes that already not relevant on review.openstack.org | 13:11 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: same :) still no murano menu | 13:11 |
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| katyafervent | try not to use admin, create a separate project and add admin role to new user | 13:14 |
| katyafervent | ogzy, take a look bug in horiozn https://bugs.launchpad.net/mos/+bug/1371161 | 13:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1371161 in Mirantis OpenStack 6.0.x "Admin panel does not work in Horizon for custom role" [High,Fix committed] - Assigned to Paul Karikh (pkarikh) | 13:16 |
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| katyafervent | you need to check for orchestration role in keystone | 13:23 |
| katyafervent | let's find the command how it's can be checked | 13:24 |
| katyafervent | the main problem is located in this line https://github.com/stackforge/murano-dashboard/blob/master/muranodashboard/dashboard.py#L39 | 13:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged stackforge/murano-dashboard: Cache getting package name https://review.openstack.org/163472 | 13:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged stackforge/murano-dashboard: Update from openstack.common https://review.openstack.org/163458 | 13:27 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: i created a new tenant, assigned a new user with admin role, still no murano menu | 13:28 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: keystone role-list displays service, admin, _member_, Member, ResellerAdmin, anotherrole | 13:30 |
| katyafervent | and keystone service-list? | 13:31 |
| katyafervent | I checked, it's not a role, it's service | 13:32 |
| katyafervent | if you have not orchestration - you won't be able to see murano panel | 13:32 |
| katyafervent | just remove https://github.com/stackforge/murano-dashboard/blob/master/muranodashboard/dashboard.py#L39 | 13:32 |
| katyafervent | and restart runserver | 13:33 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: service list doesn't display heat :( | 13:33 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: i don't see orchestration menu at horizon, thats the problem it seems, sure i can remove the line | 13:33 |
| katyafervent | and it's a bug, but without heat murano is useless | 13:34 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: although i enabled head at local.conf, somehow something is wrong with it | 13:36 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: public endpoint for orchestration service in RegionOne region not found is what heat stack-list syas | 13:37 |
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| ogzy | katyafervent: HEAT_STANDALONE=True can it be because of it? | 13:38 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: can be :), it created heat user if it doen't True, i dont know why i set such a thing | 13:41 |
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| katyafervent | ogzy, may be, but now are you able to see murano in dashboard? | 13:42 |
| katyafervent | (without permission line) | 13:42 |
| ogzy | didn't try :) | 13:42 |
| ogzy | i will reinstall devstack without such thing | 13:42 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: i should see orchestration | 13:43 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: i will try with the line remove also | 13:43 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: thanx for eveything till now :) | 13:43 |
| katyafervent | you are welcome | 13:44 |
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| pashkin | Take some attention to "[Murano] Should we run tests on all supported database engines?" topic in openstaqck-dev mailing list | 13:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alexander Tivelkov proposed stackforge/murano: Initial implementation of Plugable Classes https://review.openstack.org/165087 | 14:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Alexander Tivelkov proposed stackforge/murano: Initial implementation of Plugable Classes https://review.openstack.org/165087 | 14:06 |
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| ogzy | katyafervent: it worked, at last | 14:21 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: the problem was heat standalone, it shouldn't be set to true | 14:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Kirill Zaitsev proposed stackforge/python-muranoclient: Support local bundles https://review.openstack.org/165404 | 14:23 |
| katyafervent | ogzy, I'm glad we found the root cause) | 14:24 |
| ogzy | katyafervent: i logged in with admin and no problem | 14:26 |
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| ogzy | Unauthorized: Check Keystone configuration of murano-api server :) | 14:33 |
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| ogzy | katyafervent: i ckecked murano.conf and eveything looks fine, do you think i should create a new user? | 14:34 |
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| katyafervent | well, it's always better to make operations from a separate user, but if only you have access to your environment, it's doest matter | 14:41 |
| katyafervent | just double check, that correct config is running and all needed sections are modified | 14:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Henar Muñoz proposed stackforge/murano-agent: Support for Configuration Language. File Downloading https://review.openstack.org/159524 | 14:47 |
| openstackgerrit | Henar Muñoz proposed stackforge/murano-agent: Support for Configuration Language. File Downloading https://review.openstack.org/159524 | 14:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Henar Muñoz proposed stackforge/murano-agent: Support for Configuration Language. File Downloading https://review.openstack.org/159524 | 14:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Ekaterina Chernova proposed stackforge/murano-dashboard: Correct exception browsing during package upload https://review.openstack.org/164104 | 14:52 |
| openstackgerrit | Henar Muñoz proposed stackforge/murano-agent: Support Configuration Languages. File Download II https://review.openstack.org/165375 | 14:59 |
| openstackgerrit | Henar Muñoz proposed stackforge/murano-agent: Support for Configuration Language: Chef https://review.openstack.org/165383 | 15:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Kirill Zaitsev proposed stackforge/python-muranoclient: Support local bundles https://review.openstack.org/165404 | 15:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Henar Muñoz proposed stackforge/murano-agent: Support for Configuration Language: Chef https://review.openstack.org/165383 | 15:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Ekaterina Chernova proposed stackforge/murano-dashboard: Correct exception browsing during package upload https://review.openstack.org/164104 | 15:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kirill Zaitsev proposed stackforge/python-muranoclient: Support local bundles https://review.openstack.org/165404 | 15:37 |
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| sante | Hi, I uploaded the murano-apps using murano-manage cli. Now I want to cancel kubernetes' apps to upload a fresh version: when try to delete them via horizon I receive an error saying I'm not the owner of the application. Since murano-manage does not seem to have a delete option, how can I remove the old applications? | 16:14 |
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| katyafervent | hi sante ! | 16:15 |
| katyafervent | well, it's a bug | 16:15 |
| katyafervent | since murano-manage is not set any owner_id at all | 16:15 |
| katyafervent | you can use murano client CLI for uploading apps | 16:16 |
| katyafervent | sante, the only way to delete app now - is to delete it from database I think | 16:16 |
| katyafervent | sorry :( | 16:17 |
| sante | katyafervent: thanks, I'll try that way | 16:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Kirill Zaitsev proposed stackforge/python-muranoclient: Support local bundles https://review.openstack.org/165404 | 16:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged stackforge/murano: Initial implementation of Plugable Classes https://review.openstack.org/165087 | 16:31 |
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