Tuesday, 2015-09-29

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openstackgerritzhu.rong proposed openstack/murano-dashboard: Add truncate for Environments and Image table  https://review.openstack.org/22815000:55
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openstackgerritzhu.rong proposed openstack/murano-dashboard: Add table action for environment details  https://review.openstack.org/22871604:16
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gangaecHi everyone.06:35
gangaecBy running "kube-proxy" getting error "Failed to select a host interface: Unable to select an IP."06:35
gangaecHow toresolve it?06:36
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openstackgerritzhu.rong proposed openstack/murano-dashboard: Add Last Updated Time column for packages table  https://review.openstack.org/22876807:51
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openstackgerritzhu.rong proposed openstack/murano-dashboard: Add Last Updated Time column for packages table  https://review.openstack.org/22876808:24
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openstackgerritzhu.rong proposed openstack/murano-dashboard: Add icons for Package Definitions BatchActions  https://review.openstack.org/22880109:04
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openstackgerritTetiana Lashchova proposed openstack/murano: Add prefix 'test' to unit test module names  https://review.openstack.org/22880809:16
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katyaferventhi gangaec !09:21
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gangaeckatyafervent:  hi09:23
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gangaecIn murano I'm getting k8s version 0.15. Can I update it to latest v1.0.1?09:25
katyaferventgangaec, well currently we are working on supporting latest k8s09:27
katyaferventBut I'm not sure if we finish to support ipdates or not09:27
katyaferventand witch version of murano are you using?09:27
gangaecv0.15.009:30
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katyaferventkfox1111, hi! are you still here?09:31
gangaeckatyafervent: kilo09:34
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nareshtIs there any API to replicate the pods in murano kuberentes?09:38
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pradiprw_slagun : Hi, is there any option to make checkbox label in bold..???09:51
openstackgerritEkaterina Chernova proposed openstack/murano-apps: Update Chef related apps  https://review.openstack.org/22845609:55
katyaferventpradiprw_, no, the style is inherited from horizon09:57
katyaferventnaresht, let me check09:57
katyaferventddovbii, do you know?09:57
openstackgerritzhu.rong proposed openstack/murano-dashboard: Add Created Time/Last Updated Time column for packages table  https://review.openstack.org/22876809:57
slagunhi pradiprw_, I guess we don't support this. But you can file blueprint09:57
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openstackgerritzhu.rong proposed openstack/murano-dashboard: Add icons for Package Definitions BatchActions  https://review.openstack.org/22880109:59
nareshtkatyafervent, ok09:59
slagungangaec: I'm working to release Kubernetes 1.0.609:59
slagungangaec: this is going to happen this week10:00
katyaferventslagun, gangaec uses kilo. it is not support 1.0, right?10:00
gangaecslagun: that's awesome10:00
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ddovbiinaresht: if you mean something like actions for replication, we do not have it, but we are planning to implement these actions10:01
katyaferventor apps are murano version agnostic?10:01
slagunThere are going to be both Liberty and Kilo backport of k8s10:02
slagunlater with several hacks to overcome limitations of Kilo10:03
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nareshtddovbii, Thank you10:07
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sergmelikyankatyafervent: https://review.openstack.org/228768 - I've responded to your comment here11:15
sergmelikyanYou comment is slightly confusing, under 1) you say that we need only creation time (with which I disagree), and under 2) you say that we need time since was uploaded11:16
sergmelikyanI think best option is to have two columns with created and updated11:16
rsjethaniHi11:17
sergmelikyanbut names of the columns is open question, I would go with Uploaded Updated11:17
rsjethaniI still cannot access the Apache app instance11:17
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rsjethanii dont have much knowledge of networking in openstack11:18
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rsjethaniI successfully deployed the ApacheHTTPSErver example but cannot access it11:20
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kzaitsev_mbI'd go with Created and Updated, just the way Stacks work in Orchestration11:21
openstackgerritMerged openstack/murano: Add prefix 'test' to unit test module names  https://review.openstack.org/22880811:21
kzaitsev_mbhttps://www.dropbox.com/s/sumolsggm4i6uxc/Screenshot%202015-09-29%2014.22.34.png?dl=011:22
openstackgerritEkaterina Chernova proposed openstack/murano: Add troubleshooting section for a new documentation  https://review.openstack.org/22594411:23
openstackgerritMerged openstack/murano-dashboard: Add truncate for Environments and Image table  https://review.openstack.org/22815011:24
katyaferventand why created is important?11:25
kzaitsev_mbto see when it was uploaded11:25
sergmelikyankatyafervent: I've explained that in comments11:27
sergmelikyankzaitsev_mb: Created / Updated is also ok11:28
sergmelikyanI still not sure that it reflects semantic of immutable packages, but anyway it's better11:28
kzaitsev_mbif they're different — you would not know when it was uploaded.11:28
katyaferventso bug description should be updated first of all11:29
kzaitsev_mbI +1 for the time-created-sinse thing. It creates a nicely formatted version of the string11:29
katyaferventand what about time counter since create/update11:30
katyaferventand not show it like 2015-09-21T16:38:35,11:30
katyaferventkzaitsev_mb, you voted +1, do you agree with this format?11:30
kzaitsev_mbhaving both times is actually a good idea. it gives you a lot of information. for example if the times are equal — you know, that the package was never modified. and if not — you know, that somebody altered something11:30
sergmelikyankatyafervent: I don't think we should show time counter, because this is entity which is not naturally designed to be updated.11:31
kzaitsev_mbsergmelikyan: counter?11:31
katyaferventsergmelikyan, don't understand11:31
katyaferventwe show date/time to give user info when package was created/modified11:32
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katyaferventand user need to think by himself how much time has passed after update11:32
sergmelikyankatyafervent: consider 2 use-cases, use-case 1: table with backups of something. In that table time since last backup is right choice compared to date/time of last backup11:33
katyaferventwe can show this info for him11:33
sergmelikyanin case of our packages we need to know date of update/create rather than how much time passed since because we need this date usually to compare for example with change log of particular application11:34
kzaitsev_mbsergmelikyan: in most cases I believe that "time since" or "relative time" is the best choice. it creates better UX than "2015-09-21T16:38:35"-like strings11:34
sergmelikyankzaitsev_mb: it depends on the use-case and what are you doing with this information.11:35
katyaferventproviding time of creation allows to compare this time with 'now' - that is the only one use case11:35
sergmelikyankatyafervent: nope11:35
katyaferventwe can compare 'automatically'11:36
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katyaferventso what else would you do with time creation?11:36
sergmelikyanstan_lagun, ativelkov we need your voice :) We are going in circles already11:36
sergmelikyankatyafervent: compare with change log of the application?11:37
sergmelikyanwhy do you need to compare with now?11:37
stan_lagunsergmelikyan: I'm on your side :)11:37
sergmelikyanyou update this application regularly?11:37
stan_lagunBut I don't know any use case for package timestamps at all11:37
sergmelikyanpackage is not a thing which is designed to be updated, like backups, records of your weight or blood presure11:37
sergmelikyanstan_lagun: I am on the side of the providing timetamps :) Not on the side "time passed since"11:38
sergmelikyantho I don't think that we need to display that in raw way like 2015-09-21T16:38:3511:38
stan_lagunrelative time is useful for things that expire or can cost you money per each hour they exist11:38
sergmelikyanstan_lagun: yep11:39
katyaferventso why would we show year of modification/creation if package are not supposed to be updated?11:39
stan_lagunI agree that time since is worse. But I don't have any good use case why I would need timestamp at all11:39
katyaferventit makes table look ugly with so many digits in it11:39
katyaferventtime since is used everywhere in horizon, so I think we should be consistent with it11:40
stan_lagunWe have version for that. What is the purpose of timestamp?11:41
stan_lagunMurano packages' closes analogue is images. There is no timestamp for images in Horizon11:42
sergmelikyanI think that we can avoid showing creation time, but date would be useful.11:43
stan_lagundo you have use case where it would be useful?11:43
sergmelikyanstan_lagun: when we will completely support package versioning out of the box without options - it will be obsolete and we will remove this11:44
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sergmelikyanfor now we need this to figure out what exactly this package contains11:44
sergmelikyanstan_lagun: I mentioned this above - compare to the change-log to see if my application is too old, until versioning will be enabled by default11:45
katyaferventtake a look how it looks http://snag.gy/TjBe1.jpg11:45
katyaferventI think we need to remove version if artefacts are not used11:45
sergmelikyankatyafervent: +111:45
sergmelikyanI would prefer to hide column when Glance is not used11:45
sergmelikyanbut ativelkov says that it is a lot of trouble to implement that11:46
stan_lagunversion is an attribute of the package. But timestamp is just a time where you downloaded the package from app.catalog. You can delete it and download the same package again and have another timestamp. It is not the time when application package was released11:46
sergmelikyanand we need to change 2015-09-21T16:38:35 to something appropriate11:46
sergmelikyanstan_lagun: I understand that, but until we don't have versions by default everywhere this is only option to get something relative to that11:47
sergmelikyan*something close11:47
stan_lagunsergmelikyan: I don't say we need to remove timestamps. But it doesn't necessary mean that they need to be in this table. You can show them in item details. And you can show them in both formats (Uploaded at XXX (123 hours ago))11:48
sergmelikyanstan_lagun: we don't have package details right now :(11:49
stan_lagunAlso "Created time" is confusing. It is Upload time, not when the package was created11:49
stan_lagunWe could take timestamp of UI.yaml file as creation time. Then it would be kind of replacement for version11:51
katyaferventPlease compare with time since http://snag.gy/PTkOP.jpg11:51
stan_lagunkatyafervent: I looks better because ISO timestamps are hard to read. Those are 2 different problems11:52
kzaitsev_mbstan_lagun: that is exactly the same problem11:52
kzaitsev_mbUI11:52
stan_lagunI mean you could format timestamp differently and make it readable as well11:53
katyaferventhttp://snag.gy/L0Qd0.jpg11:53
katyaferventplease compare11:53
kzaitsev_mbthis version is also ok IMO11:54
sergmelikyankatyafervent: only difference is a size of columns?11:55
katyaferventthe format11:55
stan_lagunlooks much better (Last Updated Time). But I'm still believe that the only case when we do need to display timestamp is when it corelates to when the package was created, not uploaded. And this need to be taken from package content11:55
katyaferventbut yeah, time since is smaller11:56
sergmelikyankzaitsev_mb: I agree here with Stan - time stamp may be represented differently not in ISO way. But real question is UX - what is better to show.11:56
sergmelikyanstan_lagun: we don't have this information in package content11:56
stan_lagunsergmelikyan: we do. We just don't track it in DB. But it is easy to fix11:56
sergmelikyanstan_lagun: mmm?11:57
stan_lagunsergmelikyan: I mean you can use creation time of any file inside zip (manifest, UI.yaml etc)11:57
sergmelikyanstan_lagun: nice point11:57
kzaitsev_mbwell, my opinion is that relative dates are better and easier for human beings to understand. And since horizon is intended to be used by humans — I'd still like to see the relative date11:57
stan_lagunkzaitsev_mb: it depends on the use case. I know people that when asked "how old is your son" answer "it was born 1234 days ago". I don't find it useful though I am human11:59
sergmelikyankzaitsev_mb: in your opinion you should use relative dates everywhere with which I can't agree http://uxmovement.com/content/absolute-vs-relative-timestamps-when-to-use-which/11:59
kzaitsev_mbstan_lagun: how old is this package — '1 week, 3 days'. When was it updated '1 day, 2 hours'12:01
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kzaitsev_mbWell, the article does not really have good rules for any of the options IMO =)12:04
stan_lagunkzaitsev_mb: this depends on why I need this information, not how nice it looks on screen. I better have longer column than do calculation "now-relative_time" in my head if I really need absolute timestamp. The question here is what is the use case. I don't see any use case for both representations until timestamp reflects package creation time not when it was uploaded12:04
kzaitsev_mbI believe that in Horizon exact time (offered by absolute timestamp is not important) What I'd like to see in this table is — when the package was uploaded and when was it changed. Have anyone changed it recently? (did it go from public to private or vice a versa)?12:05
kzaitsev_mbSo I believe, that in this particular case relative offers better comprehension.12:06
kzaitsev_mbstan_lagun: As a cloud OP I'd love to be able to check if someone altered the package (say made it prublic or altered description) recently.12:07
kzaitsev_mbalthough I'm not a real cloud op =)12:07
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stan_lagunkzaitsev_mb: why do you want this at all? Why don't you want size of the package or its FQN. My point is that there are a lot of things that can be of interest for any entity. But only the most important need to be show in the  grid. Otherwise it is too much information. The rest need to moved to details page. If we don't have one then just drop extra info and create details page in Mitaka12:09
stan_lagunand on details page show bot representations12:09
stan_lagunboth12:09
stan_lagunI don't find uploaded timestamp as a really important thing. Images don't show it. If it was package creation time then I'd agree because lack of version12:10
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openstackgerritAlexey Deryugin proposed openstack/murano-apps: Add elements for Chef/Puppet applications  https://review.openstack.org/22886712:24
openstackgerritTetiana Lashchova proposed openstack/murano: Fix order of arguments in assertEqual  https://review.openstack.org/22887412:38
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kzaitsev_mbstan_lagun: well, your point about details page is valid, indeed12:55
openstackgerritEkaterina Chernova proposed openstack/murano: Add troubleshooting section for a new documentation  https://review.openstack.org/22594412:59
openstackgerritEkaterina Chernova proposed openstack/murano: Add troubleshooting section for a new documentation  https://review.openstack.org/22594413:00
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openstackgerritThomas Goirand proposed openstack/murano: Fixed "ERROR: Malformed table" in RST  https://review.openstack.org/22888713:03
openstackgerritzhu.rong proposed openstack/murano-dashboard: Add Created Time/Last Updated Time column for packages table  https://review.openstack.org/22876813:05
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openstackgerritzhu.rong proposed openstack/murano-dashboard: Add Created Time/Last Updated Time column for packages table  https://review.openstack.org/22876813:17
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/murano-apps: Add elements for Chef/Puppet applications  https://review.openstack.org/22886713:46
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/murano: Fix order of arguments in assertEqual  https://review.openstack.org/22887413:57
openstackgerritDmytro Dovbii proposed openstack/murano-apps: Add image requirements to CF app  https://review.openstack.org/22515414:02
openstackgerritDmytro Dovbii proposed openstack/murano-apps: Add image requirements to CF app  https://review.openstack.org/22515414:03
openstackgerritDmytro Dovbii proposed openstack/murano-apps: Add image requirements to CF app  https://review.openstack.org/22515414:06
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openstackgerritTetiana Lashchova proposed openstack/python-muranoclient: Check package-download for stdout redirection  https://review.openstack.org/22719514:34
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kzaitsev_mb@all, shall we merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187577/ already?15:05
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openstackgerritEkaterina Chernova proposed openstack/murano: Add 'How to login into instance' secition to the new docs  https://review.openstack.org/22899015:10
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/murano: Fixed "ERROR: Malformed table" in RST  https://review.openstack.org/22888715:46
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sergmelikyankzaitsev_mb: I would not do that before release15:51
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/python-muranoclient: Check package-download for stdout redirection  https://review.openstack.org/22719516:33
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openstackgerritDmytro Dovbii proposed openstack/murano-apps: Add image requirements to CF app  https://review.openstack.org/22515418:05
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