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| openstackgerrit | Stan Lagun proposed openstack/murano: Extracted replication capabilities from ServerGroup https://review.openstack.org/356533 | 03:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Stan Lagun proposed openstack/murano: Base Application classes for App Development Framework https://review.openstack.org/352539 | 04:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Stan Lagun proposed openstack/murano: Base Application classes for App Development Framework https://review.openstack.org/352539 | 04:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | zhurong proposed openstack/murano-dashboard: [TEST]dashboard https://review.openstack.org/357263 | 04:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | Stan Lagun proposed openstack/murano: Migration of replication to the template() contract https://review.openstack.org/357637 | 06:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nikolay Mahotkin proposed openstack/murano-apps: [K8s] Fixing service naming https://review.openstack.org/357656 | 07:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/murano: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/357702 | 09:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Krzysztof Szukiełojć proposed openstack/murano: Adding murano-pkg-check when uploading pkg https://review.openstack.org/357723 | 09:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/murano-dashboard: Get ready for Horizon rework https://review.openstack.org/348855 | 09:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nikolay Starodubtsev proposed openstack/murano-dashboard: Create murano session client in tests https://review.openstack.org/356951 | 10:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nikolay Starodubtsev proposed openstack/murano-dashboard: Create murano session client in tests https://review.openstack.org/356951 | 11:03 |
| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: Precise tests on OSIC provider are currently failing, please stop your checks until the issue is resolved. | 11:15 | |
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| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: DSVM jobs on OSIC currently failing because of IP collisions, fix is in the gate - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357764/ - please hold rechecks until merged | 11:20 | |
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| openstackgerrit | Nikolay Starodubtsev proposed openstack/murano-specs: Dependency-driven multi-step resource deallocation https://review.openstack.org/336497 | 11:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nikolay Mahotkin proposed openstack/murano-apps: [k8s] Restrict getEndpoints to search only in current pod https://review.openstack.org/357823 | 12:33 |
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| rootje | hello everyone! | 13:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Konstantin Snihyr proposed openstack/murano: Fix codeblocks identation https://review.openstack.org/357853 | 13:09 |
| rootje | i have a question if its possible | 13:09 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | rootje: of course it is possible ) | 13:12 |
| kzaitsev_mb | shoot any questions you have | 13:12 |
| rootje | i have a question about murano because im doing the murano project as my thesis | 13:13 |
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| rootje | if someone can please explain me one thing about the aplications that are deployed, what happens in the background where are they saved (lets say on a virtual machine (i think as a image) or on a real life server) | 13:15 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | rootje: that's a long story tbh. we need that to be documented, so I would be happy to explain that if you would help us with that kind of docs in return =)) | 13:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | zhurong proposed openstack/murano-dashboard: [TEST]dashboard https://review.openstack.org/357263 | 13:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Valerii Kovalchuk proposed openstack/murano-specs: Spec for MuranoPL application policies https://review.openstack.org/336717 | 13:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Konstantin Snihyr proposed openstack/murano: [Docs] Fix codeblocks identation https://review.openstack.org/357853 | 13:42 |
| kzaitsev_mb | rootje: ping? =) | 13:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | zhurong proposed openstack/murano: Fix config group for SSL in tempest test https://review.openstack.org/357905 | 14:14 |
| openstackgerrit | zhurong proposed openstack/murano: Fix config group for SSL in tempest test https://review.openstack.org/357905 | 14:15 |
| rootje | sorry was afk | 14:17 |
| kzaitsev_mb | rootje: just kidding about the docs | 14:19 |
| rootje | well my thesis is open for the public tho... | 14:19 |
| rootje | after its approved | 14:20 |
| rootje | but i would really need some answer on the backstory | 14:20 |
| kzaitsev_mb | rootje: I don't think anyone would read them, do you? =) | 14:20 |
| rootje | of murano aplications where are they stored | 14:20 |
| rootje | up to them :) | 14:20 |
| kzaitsev_mb | rootje: the point is — you're asking to explain how murano works. this means, that our docs currently don't answer that question, sadly =( it's quite a bunch of explanations and I'd be really happy if we would be able to benefit the community from that work | 14:23 |
| rootje | not really | 14:24 |
| rootje | I understand how the packaging goes | 14:24 |
| rootje | my only question at this point is where is the aplication being saved? | 14:24 |
| rootje | i have not seen that in your documents | 14:24 |
| kzaitsev_mb | what do you mean by saved? | 14:24 |
| rootje | in the background process | 14:24 |
| rootje | where is it saved on a cloud image? | 14:25 |
| kzaitsev_mb | what background process? | 14:25 |
| kzaitsev_mb | image? =) | 14:25 |
| rootje | on multiplage images, all aplications in 1 image...(im working with my virtual machine at this point) | 14:25 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I kind of get that you're misusing the terminology | 14:25 |
| rootje | ok... let me break it down, we have the envirement, we are selecting which aplication do we want to deploy to the "server,cloud ect ect" So in the background whats happening, is the aplication just being deployed to the server or is it written as a image in a server how is it stored? If you kind of understand what I mean | 14:26 |
| kzaitsev_mb | you're using 'image' in a very wrong way — image is, well an image, that is used to boot a VM | 14:28 |
| kzaitsev_mb | not the VM itself | 14:28 |
| kzaitsev_mb | think of it as a template OS to boot the VM | 14:28 |
| rootje | ok.. | 14:28 |
| kzaitsev_mb | so you're interested in how murano installs soft on VM? | 14:29 |
| rootje | so how are the aplications stored in the cloud then? in what way | 14:29 |
| rootje | murano is installed working running on my VM | 14:29 |
| kzaitsev_mb | what do you mean by "stored in the cloud"? | 14:30 |
| rootje | I want to understand, how are a "group" of aplications/packages when they are deployed, (where are they stored in the cloud...is there any structure or any arhitecture the way its stored) | 14:30 |
| kzaitsev_mb | then you're using word 'stored' in a very wrong way =) sorry for nitpicking. I kind of understand what you want to know, but you've just told me that it's not so =) | 14:32 |
| kzaitsev_mb | from what you're saying — you want to know the lifecycle of the application. | 14:32 |
| rootje | yes | 14:32 |
| rootje | my bad for using the word in a wrong way.. | 14:33 |
| kzaitsev_mb | i.e. what happens when you run an app — it | 14:33 |
| kzaitsev_mb | from the process of adding it to catalog, through adding it to env, through deploying it, to finally deleting it | 14:33 |
| rootje | yes | 14:34 |
| kzaitsev_mb | but you're asking me — where the apps are stored and I'm kind of tempted to say — in the database near murano-api =)) and that would be a perfectly correct answer (since that's where they're 'stored') ;) | 14:34 |
| rootje | i kind of understand what your saying about asking my questions, its kinda obvious and silly but I had a whole discussion with my proffesor on this | 14:36 |
| rootje | If skype was a posibility that would be awesome | 14:36 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | sorry for nitpicking on this, the temptation to just answer your literal questions is too big, so I have to fight it =) | 14:38 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | well, once again — the fact that you're asking these questions means that our docs lack good enough explanations | 14:38 |
| rootje | I think their missing some pinpointers on "basic users" | 14:39 |
| rootje | but thats just my opinion | 14:39 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I'm ready to spend some time explaining these, but doing so via skype or anything else wouldn't be open enough. | 14:39 |
| rootje | but they are very very helpfull dont get me wrong | 14:39 |
| kzaitsev_mb | My goal in this conversation is to improve murano and our docs =) | 14:40 |
| rootje | I understand and as i said | 14:40 |
| rootje | my thesis is open for the public when its approved | 14:40 |
| kzaitsev_mb | so I would like to do that in the most open way possible, so that other users and community as a whole would benefit of this conversation | 14:40 |
| rootje | but its in slovenian... i dont know if this helps | 14:40 |
| kzaitsev_mb | rootje: how many thesis have you read? =) | 14:40 |
| rootje | so basically your asking me to make my own explanation for your doc's adding my way of thinking on a open page | 14:41 |
| kzaitsev_mb | like, have you read any thesis on how to install mysql for example? =))) | 14:41 |
| rootje | your right i havent | 14:41 |
| rootje | because its nothing you cant find on the internet as you said I understand what your saying | 14:41 |
| kzaitsev_mb | rootje: i said, I was kidding about asking you to write the docs =) sorry if you misinterpreted my comments ) | 14:42 |
| rootje | well i had a feeling because you keep mentioning it :D | 14:42 |
| kzaitsev_mb | well, I don't feel asking about contributing back to community is a bad idea, though =Р | 14:43 |
| rootje | I never said it was :D | 14:43 |
| rootje | and I always did | 14:43 |
| rootje | thats how stuff are alive | 14:43 |
| kzaitsev_mb | well, it would be quite an article to write, so I suggest we'd do that in an etherpad somewhere | 14:45 |
| kzaitsev_mb | so that we would be able to transfer it to our docs later | 14:45 |
| kzaitsev_mb | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-lifecycle-description is as good a place as any | 14:48 |
| kzaitsev_mb | now that looks like a nice structure for the lifecycle article =) | 14:59 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I don't have much time to finish it right now, but would like to get back to it in a day or two | 15:00 |
| kzaitsev_mb | ddovbii_: ^^^ fyi =) | 15:00 |
| rootje | well i dont know how to thank you | 15:01 |
| rootje | you helped me with this, made me research some more but thats awesome what you did! | 15:01 |
| kzaitsev_mb | like I said — you can try and squeeeeeeeze a bit of your time to help me finish it and upload it to murano docs ;) | 15:02 |
| kzaitsev_mb | sorry =) no pressure ) | 15:02 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I'll stop doing that ) | 15:02 |
| rootje | no no your not doing anything bad :D i understand i just have a deadline for now to met | 15:02 |
| rootje | and to do all of this takes so much time for me right now, but after i would love to help | 15:03 |
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| rootje | because again i dont have that much knowledge whats happening behind the UI :) | 15:03 |
| kzaitsev_mb | yep, you're not the first to ask that question (in one form or another), so I figure we need to make a comprehensive article and put it in the docs | 15:04 |
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| zhurong | kzaitsev_mb Nikolay_St StanLagun ativelkov https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357905/ , Looks at this patch, fix the Murano jenkins failed | 23:24 |
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