| clarkb | meeting time | 19:00 |
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| clarkb | #startmeeting infra | 19:00 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting started Tue Feb 27 19:00:10 2024 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is clarkb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| opendevmeet | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| opendevmeet | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:00 |
| clarkb | #link https://lists.opendev.org/archives/list/service-discuss@lists.opendev.org/thread/6INGNPH2APYO7GUZ2HFJZPTLQTGITTS7/ Our Agenda | 19:00 |
| clarkb | #topic Announcements | 19:00 |
| clarkb | I had none that aren't otherwise covered in the normal agenda | 19:00 |
| clarkb | May as well dive right in | 19:01 |
| clarkb | #topic Service Coordinator Election Results | 19:01 |
| corvus | announcement: there are no announcements | 19:01 |
| clarkb | I was the only nominee so I guess I am "it" by default again | 19:01 |
| frickler | \o/ | 19:01 |
| clarkb | #link https://lists.opendev.org/archives/list/service-discuss@lists.opendev.org/thread/6C4TIQVP2R6AXLN3AKMSOR66DKURRSNC/ | 19:01 |
| corvus | clarkb: congrats! | 19:01 |
| corvus | to you and to us! :) | 19:01 |
| clarkb | I don't have anyting to toast with at my desk but I wish I did :) | 19:02 |
| fungi | thank you for your (continued) service | 19:02 |
| clarkb | #topic Server Upgrades | 19:02 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/opendev/system-config/+/905510 Upgrading meetpad service to jammy | 19:03 |
| clarkb | tonyb: not sure if you're awake but I remain happy to help with this if I can be of assistance. Maybe we should go ahead and approve some of these test specific changes? | 19:03 |
| clarkb | Let us know if we can help. | 19:04 |
| clarkb | Any other server upgrade business? | 19:04 |
| clarkb | #topic MariaDB Upgrades | 19:05 |
| clarkb | as mentioned previously we're going to try to rely on the MARIADB_AUTO_UPGRADE flag | 19:06 |
| clarkb | Paste, Etherpad, Gitea, Gerrit, Refstack, and Mailman could use upgrades. Starting with Paste due to its simplicity. | 19:06 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/opendev/system-config/+/909471 Upgrade paste.o.o mariadb to 10.11 | 19:06 |
| clarkb | at this point I've got reviews needed and sentiment seems to be just go for it | 19:06 |
| corvus | ++ | 19:06 |
| tonyb | ++ | 19:07 |
| clarkb | I'll try to do that tomorrow morning then as I should have few distractions at that point in time and can watch it | 19:07 |
| clarkb | and if that goes well we can write changes for the other services and do them one by one | 19:07 |
| fungi | sounds good | 19:07 |
| clarkb | #topic AFS Mirror cleanups | 19:08 |
| clarkb | OpenSUSE Leap has been (mostly) removed. There are some mirroring script bits that are sticking around until centos 7 is removed | 19:08 |
| clarkb | The removal of Debian Buster is in progress now. You can use topic:drop-buster to find changes related to that | 19:08 |
| clarkb | we're currently stuck on the removal of wheel cache build jobs for buster on the openstack/requirements repo | 19:09 |
| clarkb | tonyb: do you think you can quickly review those changes and then I can followup with similar changes to remove centos 7 and xenial? Or would you prefer I update the existing changes to remove all three from requirements at the same time? | 19:09 |
| frickler | if not, I can just approve as is tomorrow I guess | 19:10 |
| tonyb | yup I can do that | 19:10 |
| clarkb | I think the unmaintained/yoga branch might be weird too, but so far testing seems happy on all the branches just need reviews | 19:10 |
| clarkb | tonyb: thanks! | 19:10 |
| clarkb | once that is done we'll be able to drop the nodeset and then we can do nodepool and mirror cleanup last | 19:11 |
| clarkb | the depends on metadata should capture all of that in the current changes | 19:11 |
| clarkb | once buster is gone I'll keep chipping away at this with centos 7 changes then after that xenial | 19:11 |
| tonyb | sounds good. | 19:12 |
| clarkb | #topic OpenDev email hosting | 19:12 |
| clarkb | Have we had any time to form opinions on this? | 19:12 |
| clarkb | I think for myself if I were tasked with setting it up I'd look for hosted mail beacuse I've done that before but I've never self hosted | 19:12 |
| clarkb | but I'm happy to learn if others are interested in self hosting | 19:13 |
| fungi | i'm on the fence as to whether we host it ourselves. i don't mind being a mailserver admin (on top of already doing it for lists01), but i also see the argument for not unnecessarily burdening ourselves with more work | 19:14 |
| * frickler is also undecided. less work vs. security vs. more control. not sure which way to prefer | 19:15 | |
| tonyb | yup thats where I'm at too | 19:15 |
| fungi | it's not urgent, we can mull it over for longer, i expect? | 19:15 |
| clarkb | ok, I don't think we are in a hurry to solve this so we can continue to sleep on it | 19:15 |
| clarkb | yup exactly | 19:15 |
| tonyb | okay | 19:16 |
| clarkb | I think if someone was ready to address this right now we'd make a quicker decision but I get the sense we all have plenty of other stuff going on already | 19:16 |
| clarkb | I'll continue to take temperature on this unless I get told we should drop it from the regular meeting agenda | 19:17 |
| clarkb | #topic Gitea 1.21.7 Upgrade | 19:17 |
| clarkb | we are running 1.21.5 and there have been two bugfix releases in the last few days | 19:17 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/opendev/system-config/+/909941 | 19:17 |
| clarkb | There were no template updates that I saw and I cross checked the JWT secret config modifications that were made and I'm 99% certain they were done in a backward compatbile way and we don't have to change anything on our end | 19:18 |
| clarkb | all that to say I think we're ready once reviewers are happy. Maybe we can get that in today? | 19:18 |
| clarkb | I can be around to monitor if people are happy with the change | 19:19 |
| clarkb | #topic git-review vendoring the commit message hook | 19:19 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/opendev/git-review/+/910275 | 19:19 |
| clarkb | This is an idea that has been kicked around for some time. fungi finally got around to implementing it | 19:19 |
| fungi | pretty straightforward, hopefully | 19:19 |
| clarkb | I need to review the change myself. | 19:19 |
| fungi | not much to say about it | 19:19 |
| fungi | though in implementing it i did spot a design issue with file permissions on the hook script, which resulted in a separate change to address | 19:20 |
| corvus | sounds good to me; i was just wondering if there's any extra context i was missing (like some urgent new issue); but sounds like it's just "good idea; long time coming" | 19:20 |
| clarkb | I think one important note is that while the hook script has had minor changes over time the format of the change id has not | 19:20 |
| clarkb | so in theory a hook script from 2013 would work today and vice versa | 19:20 |
| clarkb | corvus: ya I think there are a handful of good reasons to do it and the count got high enough to actually write the change | 19:21 |
| fungi | yeah, my only real concern is if gerrit makes a change in the future which requires updates to that hook | 19:21 |
| fungi | and for sites which could conceivably be depending on users getting a modified version of the hook specific to their needs | 19:22 |
| fungi | but the change does provide a non-default escape hatch for those situations | 19:22 |
| clarkb | ++ I'll review later today | 19:24 |
| clarkb | #topic Project Renames | 19:24 |
| * tonyb too | 19:24 | |
| clarkb | We have a request for a project rename | 19:24 |
| clarkb | (un)fortunately we're quite near the end of openstack's release process and historically we've avoided doing renames during this time | 19:24 |
| clarkb | #link https://releases.openstack.org/caracal/schedule.html | 19:25 |
| clarkb | I think this is fine as it gives us time to collect any other renames that may need to happen and do them together as well as improve the rename process | 19:25 |
| clarkb | in particular i think we should consider updating the playbook to move aside the gerrit replication waiting queue dir | 19:25 |
| frickler | what is the actual rename? | 19:25 |
| clarkb | frickler: vexxhost/ansible-role-frrouting > openstack/ansible-role-frrouting | 19:26 |
| clarkb | starlingx has brought up the idea of renaming some things as well but they haven't actually requested we do that | 19:26 |
| clarkb | we can check with them to see if they are still interested and bundle everyting together | 19:26 |
| tonyb | what downtime is there for renames? | 19:27 |
| frickler | so that would also require a matching governance change? means we couldn't/shouldn't do it right away even if we wanted to? | 19:27 |
| clarkb | frickler: correct, though I think that also exists and mnaser is happy for it to move out of vexxhost/ | 19:27 |
| clarkb | tonyb: renaming is actually an unsupported task in gerrit. To do the renames we shutdown gerrit, move things on disk, then start gerrit and reindex | 19:27 |
| clarkb | tonyb: then we also have to rewrite things in zuul etc to match but that can be done in the runnign system typically | 19:28 |
| fungi | also gitea api calls and storyboard database edits if they use sb | 19:28 |
| tonyb | okay. that's what I thought. so the impact is wide but short (hopefully) | 19:28 |
| frickler | clarkb: yeah, but similar to what we discussed in #opendev earlier, I'd like to see positive TC feedback before proceeding | 19:28 |
| clarkb | frickler: sure | 19:29 |
| fungi | tonyb: yeah, we scripted the entire thing in ansible, so it's about as fast as a gerrit restart | 19:29 |
| clarkb | looking at a calendar I think we can pencil in April 12 for a rename | 19:29 |
| fungi | minus the lingering impact of the online reindex for the affected repo(s) | 19:29 |
| tonyb | okay. thanks | 19:29 |
| clarkb | that gives us a target and a deadlien for getting paperwork in order | 19:29 |
| corvus | the zuul schema has changed since our last renames; possibly in a way that may necessitate an update to the scripts | 19:29 |
| fungi | corvus: thanks for calling that out, i had forgotten | 19:30 |
| fungi | tonyb: ^ also we rename project keys in zuul | 19:30 |
| clarkb | corvus: good to know. We already do a rename of the project keys using the cli tools | 19:30 |
| clarkb | corvus: are you concerned about the historical job data in the sql database? | 19:30 |
| corvus | we must do a db update right? | 19:30 |
| frickler | 12.4. is the last day of the ptg, not sure I'd have energy left then | 19:30 |
| corvus | yeah that's what i'm thinking of | 19:30 |
| clarkb | corvus: I don't think we currently do a db update | 19:30 |
| tonyb | okay. | 19:30 |
| corvus | okay, so we just orphan it? that's fine | 19:30 |
| clarkb | corvus: which is probably fine you search for vexxhost/foo instead of openstack/foo to see that data | 19:30 |
| clarkb | I think we can live with that since it is historically accurate and reduces our overhead | 19:31 |
| corvus | yeah, wfm. i just couldn't remember. | 19:31 |
| clarkb | frickler: oh good callout | 19:31 |
| clarkb | April 19 then? Any conflicts there? | 19:32 |
| fungi | yes, let's not plan anything over top the ptg. i'll be busy enough ;) | 19:32 |
| fungi | 2024-04-19 wfm | 19:32 |
| tonyb | sounds good. | 19:33 |
| frickler | +1 | 19:33 |
| clarkb | ok I can pencil thati nto the wiki agenda and I'll ping ildikov to see if starlingx should look at hte opportunity too | 19:33 |
| clarkb | #topic Open Discussion | 19:33 |
| clarkb | I noticed this morning (after I sent the agenda last night) that I've been asked to schedule PTG time for opendev because I signed us up. I'm thinking that it may be best to wait until most other projects have scheduled their times so that we can slip a few hours in during times that are less problematic? | 19:34 |
| clarkb | but also with the expectations that yall may be busy with other PTG stuff and I'll be doing more office hours like content on my own | 19:34 |
| tonyb | obviously I can handle office hours in the apac timeblock | 19:35 |
| clarkb | any concerns with that approach? Also happy for people to propose times that work well for them | 19:35 |
| clarkb | Great I'll proceed with this plan of action then | 19:37 |
| frickler | having something in the APAC/EU block might be nice. because we could also use more people from that timezones | 19:37 |
| clarkb | frickler: is that the 04-07 UTC or 13-16 UTC block? | 19:38 |
| frickler | the former | 19:38 |
| clarkb | ack. I think I can make some of those hours work for me too. I just have to stay awake long enough | 19:38 |
| fungi | i could stay up late for something early in that timeframe | 19:38 |
| fungi | 04-07 is basically 11pm-2am local for me | 19:39 |
| clarkb | anything else? | 19:39 |
| tonyb | I'm only one infra-root but I can for sure do that block | 19:40 |
| clarkb | tonyb: ack | 19:40 |
| clarkb | I'll give it a couple more minutes but I suspect we can end early | 19:40 |
| clarkb | a reminder I'm happy to watch the gitea 1.21.7 upgrade today after lunch if others are willing t oreview it :) | 19:41 |
| tonyb | I can do that. | 19:42 |
| clarkb | sounds like that is everything. Thank you for your time today! See you here next week same time and location. | 19:42 |
| clarkb | #endmeeting | 19:42 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Tue Feb 27 19:42:48 2024 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:42 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/infra/2024/infra.2024-02-27-19.00.html | 19:42 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/infra/2024/infra.2024-02-27-19.00.txt | 19:42 |
| opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/infra/2024/infra.2024-02-27-19.00.log.html | 19:42 |
| fungi | thanks clarkb! | 19:42 |
| tonyb | thanks all | 19:42 |
| frickler | o/ | 19:43 |
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