| clarkb | Hello it is time for a weekly meeting | 19:00 |
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| clarkb | #startmeeting infra | 19:00 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting started Tue Jun 3 19:00:26 2025 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is clarkb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| opendevmeet | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| opendevmeet | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:00 |
| clarkb | #link https://lists.opendev.org/archives/list/service-discuss@lists.opendev.org/thread/HZE5Z7QO6FJ4FFFH5DXQAUSRC5HYOWEK/ Our Agenda | 19:00 |
| clarkb | This agenda is suspciciously similar to the one we had last week | 19:00 |
| clarkb | I'll admit that I ended up having a number of non infra distractions and also ran into problems with ubuntu mirrors that interrupted my goal of booting new servers | 19:01 |
| clarkb | But we can dive in and figure out what updates there are | 19:01 |
| clarkb | #topic Announcements | 19:01 |
| clarkb | I will be attempting to help my brother move tomorrow so will be in and out and afk randomly | 19:01 |
| corvus | you can borrow my truck | 19:02 |
| clarkb | I suspect both the typical start and end of my day will be the time I'm most connected. Please ping me on Matrix if anything needs urgent atetntion. I won't be far from home and can return if necessary | 19:02 |
| clarkb | corvus: I'd have to start driving now and not sleep tonight to get it back in time | 19:03 |
| clarkb | but I appreciate the offer :) | 19:03 |
| corvus | :) | 19:03 |
| clarkb | Was there anything else to announce? | 19:03 |
| clarkb | #topic Zuul-launcher image builds | 19:04 |
| clarkb | I think we can probably dive right in then | 19:04 |
| corvus | some updates here! | 19:04 |
| corvus | i recently observed a zuul-launcher bug in opendev, fixed in: https://review.opendev.org/951683 | 19:05 |
| corvus | then there's a stack of changes that's almost merged to expose nodeset request info through the web ui, and also allow us to change node state and delete nodeset requests through the api | 19:05 |
| clarkb | "zero division error" that laws of math must not be flouted | 19:05 |
| corvus | i have a todo to expose the same feature set through zuul-client for those of us who don't use keycloak | 19:05 |
| corvus | those are the only things currently on my "punch list" before i'm comfortable saying we should start switching other tenants, including openstack | 19:06 |
| clarkb | does the web ui exposure that is near landing allow authenticated manipulation already? | 19:06 |
| corvus | (i will also propose running a second launcher) | 19:06 |
| corvus | yes, so those of us with keycloak accounts will immediately be able to click buttons in the web ui and make stuff happen | 19:07 |
| corvus | only thing unwritten is "zuul-client delete-nodeset-request", etc | 19:07 |
| clarkb | ack. More motivation to get a keycloak account configured if you haven't yet | 19:07 |
| corvus | yeah, it's a much nicer experience anyway :) | 19:08 |
| clarkb | frickler has also started experimenting with adding debian trixie nodes. And I think this exposes the power of zuul-launcher/nodepool in zuul | 19:08 |
| corvus | ++ | 19:08 |
| clarkb | the changes to dib that enable building trixie are able to be speculatively gated in zuul-providers with all of our elements | 19:08 |
| clarkb | and not just the minimal elements that dib tests itself against | 19:08 |
| clarkb | a good illustration of some of the motivation behind these changes (there are other motiviations too) | 19:09 |
| corvus | certainly a big one | 19:09 |
| clarkb | anything else zuul-launcher/nodepool in zuul related? | 19:10 |
| corvus | nope, just expect me to propose expanded use soon :) | 19:10 |
| clarkb | exciting | 19:11 |
| clarkb | #topic Gerrit shutdown problems | 19:11 |
| clarkb | Last week we basically said lets land https://review.opendev.org/c/opendev/system-config/+/950595 then do a restart using sighup to see if we hit the timeout. Then the time after that go back to using sigint to see if shorter h2 compaction time helps | 19:11 |
| clarkb | unfortunately I've not been in a good place where I can focus on Gerrit properly to do that | 19:12 |
| clarkb | Looking ahead at my week I hesitate to say I can do this Friday but that may be doable. | 19:12 |
| clarkb | so thats my goal we'll see if I can hit it | 19:12 |
| fungi | i can try to help with it too | 19:12 |
| clarkb | that change has the reviews I need too. its just waiting on my +A for when I can monitor so nothing really necessary from anyone else until we're ready to restart it | 19:12 |
| clarkb | fungi: thanks! | 19:12 |
| clarkb | #topic Gerrit 3.11 Upgrade Planning | 19:13 |
| clarkb | similarly I haven't been looking any closer at the Gerrit upgrade recently | 19:13 |
| clarkb | #link https://www.gerritcodereview.com/3.11.html | 19:13 |
| clarkb | still a good idea for those with time to look over the release notes here and add any notes or concerns on our planning document | 19:13 |
| clarkb | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/gerrit-upgrade-3.11 Planning Document for the eventual Upgrade | 19:14 |
| clarkb | Assuming the signal handling related restart(s) happen this week i should be able to pick this back up again next week maybe. | 19:14 |
| clarkb | #topic Upgrading old servers | 19:14 |
| clarkb | As mentioned at the start of the meeting I did start poking at this a bit last week | 19:14 |
| clarkb | I landed some updates to the mirror update server and zookeeper servers that allow them to run on old and nwe ubuntu | 19:15 |
| clarkb | my plan was to follow that up with booting new servers but then ubuntu mirrors were having issues and I didn't want to boot new servers that launch-node deletes due to an inability to install packages (we run some minimal ansible and also do a full system package update after the first boot) | 19:15 |
| clarkb | but once I have some breathing room I'd like to start on that again as I think ubuntu mirrors are happier now ( at least I haven't seen failures recently) | 19:16 |
| clarkb | pretty sure there are no refstack cleanup updates but chime in if I'm wrong | 19:16 |
| clarkb | Any other server upgrades notes? | 19:17 |
| fungi | (narrator: there were not) | 19:19 |
| clarkb | #topic Working through our TODO list | 19:19 |
| clarkb | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/opendev-january-2025-meetup | 19:19 |
| clarkb | just our weekly reminder and a call out to any interested contributors that this etherpad has a good high level overview of stuff that needs doing | 19:19 |
| clarkb | I'm happy to help provide more detail and assist anyone looking into tackling items on that list | 19:19 |
| clarkb | #topic OFTC Matrix bridge no longer supporting new users | 19:19 |
| clarkb | as mentioned last week things got better but its clearly not a service that gets fixes urgently. We've had a bit of time to noodle on this more. Do we think we'd like to proceed with running an opendev matrix room as our primary synchronous comms point? | 19:20 |
| clarkb | I don't think I got an PMs or emails for feedback but if I missed them I apologize | 19:21 |
| fungi | i'm indifferent but dont wish to block the wheels of progress (nor be ground beneath them) | 19:21 |
| clarkb | One thing I thought I'd mention is the openstack operators group is experimenting with a matrix room that fungi set up for them | 19:21 |
| clarkb | they might be good canaries for how able people who aren't use are able to make use of a matrix room? | 19:21 |
| clarkb | though we have some feedback on that via zuul and there aren't major concerns there so may be overkill to wait for feedback from the openstack operators | 19:22 |
| clarkb | I'll admit part of my willingness to defer a bit here is simply how full my plate is suddenly with other stuff and I'm not sure Id be able to care and feed for a new channel and potential problems associated with that properly | 19:22 |
| clarkb | I'm hoping all of that eases up in a week or two though | 19:23 |
| corvus | i'm happy to help in any way | 19:23 |
| corvus | not that i'm not busy too, but i am volunteering :) | 19:23 |
| clarkb | thanks. Proposal: given my hopes that next week will be better and we have volunteers. Maybe plan to create the new room next week and actively drive people on irc #opendev to that location? | 19:23 |
| corvus | and work on some announcements, messaging? | 19:24 |
| clarkb | ++ | 19:24 |
| corvus | sgtm | 19:24 |
| clarkb | maybe the order of operations is write an announcement and update the irc channel topic? create the room, start using the room and actively push people that direction | 19:24 |
| * clarkb scribbles some notes so that ends up on the todo list | 19:25 | |
| corvus | yeah. to avoid confusion, i'd probably want to try to set a cutover timeframe for clarity | 19:25 |
| clarkb | maybe next week is get ducks in a row time (write an announcement, communicate in general, create the room) then the week after is the switch in comms location? | 19:26 |
| corvus | ++ | 19:26 |
| clarkb | sounds like a plan. Anything else on thsi topic? | 19:28 |
| clarkb | #topic Enabling hashtags globally | 19:29 |
| clarkb | #link https://lists.opendev.org/archives/list/service-announce@lists.opendev.org/thread/SVXT6X4WRYE6XQPB5PTWFUKUATICLO56/ Announcement that this is happening today | 19:29 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/opendev/system-config/+/951601 Docs update to reflect the update being made manually | 19:29 |
| clarkb | 951601 captures the change that corvus has volunteered to make in all-projects meta config | 19:29 |
| clarkb | it lgtm and I think we can proceed with the actual change whenever convenient. But if others are concerend please review the docs change asap | 19:30 |
| corvus | happy to update it to match topic as clark mentioned... lmk | 19:30 |
| clarkb | I don't think we need to since the existing acls do it the way you've done it | 19:30 |
| clarkb | (so we know that will work, it was just odd to me that they would be in different locations when I first looked) | 19:31 |
| clarkb | oh and ya my comment on that change links to followup cleanups that we can make to remove redundant configs from project-config/gerrit/acls | 19:31 |
| corvus | since we said we'd do that today... do we wait for more +2s or do i +w it? | 19:32 |
| clarkb | corvus: maybe give people until 20:00 since I think we'll finish the meeting early today and that gives anyone time to quickly reivew it they want to | 19:32 |
| clarkb | and if not I'm good with proceeding at that point | 19:33 |
| corvus | ++ | 19:33 |
| clarkb | anything else on gerrit hash tags? | 19:33 |
| fungi | sorry, reviewing now! | 19:34 |
| clarkb | #topic Adding CentOS 10 Stream Support to Glean, DIB, and Nodepool | 19:34 |
| fungi | lgtm | 19:34 |
| clarkb | I don't have any personal updates on this topic | 19:34 |
| clarkb | I think the glean change is ready for review though | 19:35 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/opendev/glean/+/941672 Glean updates for centos 10 stream ready for review | 19:35 |
| clarkb | then I saw tonyb pushed changes to test dib without nodepool | 19:35 |
| clarkb | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/diskimage-builder/+/949942 it is marked wip and doesn't pass yet but progress is being made on that side of the effort | 19:36 |
| clarkb | tonyb when you are awake maybe let us know when that change is ready for initial review | 19:37 |
| clarkb | but ya if we get glean updated, dib testing updated, then we can land the centos 10 stream updates that use specific cpu options | 19:37 |
| tonyb | I will let you know. I expect it'll be tomorrow at this rate | 19:37 |
| clarkb | then we can have a disussion over whether/how we're going boot those images in opendev | 19:38 |
| clarkb | tonyb: ack | 19:38 |
| clarkb | Anything else on this topic? | 19:38 |
| clarkb | #topic Open Discussion | 19:39 |
| clarkb | June 13 is the open infra summit cfp deadline | 19:40 |
| fungi | just a heads up that we've got an assortment of changes landing soon for openstack and starlingx to switch from enforcing the old openinfra icla to signed-off-by for the dco | 19:41 |
| clarkb | I think they will be opening up forum session submissions too | 19:41 |
| clarkb | fungi: those are scheduled to land July 1? | 19:41 |
| fungi | the final one yes | 19:41 |
| fungi | tooling changes and acl cleanup hopefully far sooner | 19:41 |
| clarkb | ++ I know I reviewed some of them. Let me know if my reviews have gone stale for updates and I can rereview | 19:42 |
| fungi | and starlingx may switch sooner than openstack too | 19:42 |
| clarkb | also I discovered that something like 15 yaers ago spearce and an android dev decided that any matching signed-of-by was sufficient signed-of-by checking in case anyone gets questions later | 19:42 |
| clarkb | (basically you oinly need one of author, committer, person making the change in gerrit to have a signed-of-by) | 19:43 |
| clarkb | and I can't spell off | 19:43 |
| clarkb | ok last call. Otherwise I'll end the meeting in a minute or two | 19:44 |
| clarkb | thanks everyone! We'll be back here same time and location next week. Until then thanks again for all your help working on opendev | 19:45 |
| clarkb | #endmeeting | 19:46 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Tue Jun 3 19:46:02 2025 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:46 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/infra/2025/infra.2025-06-03-19.00.html | 19:46 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/infra/2025/infra.2025-06-03-19.00.txt | 19:46 |
| opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/infra/2025/infra.2025-06-03-19.00.log.html | 19:46 |
| fungi | thanks clarkb! | 19:46 |
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