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| fungi | just a heads up, i e-mailed the openstack-discuss ml with a summary of the jitsi-meet case insensitivity/etherpad case sensitivity situation for meetpad, and suggested we can rename etherpads to their lower-case versions, as well as to remove/substitute punctuation we're not supporting in meetpad right now | 01:04 |
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| fungi | i'm happy to handle those, though it's basically a single etherpad api call so not complicated | 01:07 |
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| spotz | fungi I sent a rename request email to the servie-discuss list for out D&I session for tomorrow but it's in moderation. I suspect most requests being email in are going to get held up | 01:56 |
| fungi | spotz: unless they come from list subscribers, yeah. i'll process the moderation queue in a moment and then rename the pad for you | 01:59 |
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| fungi | and per my reply, doesn't look like there's any content in the pad yet, so won't need renaming | 02:17 |
| fungi | spotz: http://ptg.openstack.org/etherpads.html mentions an even different name | 02:20 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | This are the auto-generated etherpads.. not many teams actually use those sadly. | 02:20 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | I think you can override the link there though. | 02:20 |
| fungi | ahh, okay | 02:21 |
| fungi | also the diversity-wg link on tomorrow's schedule at http://ptg.openstack.org/ptg.html still goes to the zoom room | 02:21 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | It's up to the moderators to change where they are meeting via the bot. | 02:24 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | I sent out details for how to do that. | 02:24 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/P8kYoGHE/Screenshot_20200531_163047_com.android.cellbroadcastreceiver.jpg | 02:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ian Wienand proposed openstack/project-config master: Move wheel build role/job outside project-config https://review.opendev.org/731401 | 04:16 |
| ianw | AJaeger: thanks, that should cleanup and depend on jobs that cleans up the requirements branches | 04:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged zuul/zuul-jobs master: ensure-tox: fix tox_executable fact when tox is preinstalled https://review.opendev.org/731853 | 05:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged zuul/zuul-jobs master: ensure-twine: Check executable presence using shell+bin/bash https://review.opendev.org/731854 | 05:34 |
| AJaeger | ianw: thanks. | 05:36 |
| AJaeger | ianw: could you review https://review.opendev.org/731989, https://review.opendev.org/#/c/731806/ and https://review.opendev.org/#/c/731795 , please? | 05:37 |
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| ianw | AJaeger: what's the context on 731989? it looks right but i dont' fully understand | 06:21 |
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| jrosser | good morning - can i get a hold on a failing job please? | 07:33 |
| ianw | jrosser: which job? | 07:41 |
| jrosser | ianw: its 731251, openstack-ansible-lxc-dir-ubuntu-focal, "investigate lxc errors on focal" | 07:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Michał Piotrowski proposed openstack/project-config master: Adding elastic/kibana repository https://review.opendev.org/732102 | 07:46 |
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| ianw | jrosser: | 0000000133 | openstack | opendev.org/openstack/openstack-ansible-lxc_hosts | openstack-ansible-lxc-dir-ubuntu-focal | .* | 1 | jrosser: investigate lxc errors on focal | 07:56 |
| ianw | recheck should catch it | 07:56 |
| jrosser | excellent, thanks | 07:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Guillaume Chauvel proposed zuul/zuul-jobs master: ensure-twine: Fix missing default value twine_executable https://review.opendev.org/732105 | 07:57 |
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| gtema | Hi guys, I would like to rename "lowercase" 2 etherpads for PTG (use with meetpad): https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/SDK-VictoriaPTG-Planning and https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/API-SIG-VictoriaPTG-Planning | 08:07 |
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| jrosser | ianw: that job is failed, my key is here http://jrosser.woaf.net/openstack.pub | 08:36 |
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| ianw | jrosser: umm can you get me the ip quick? | 08:45 |
| jrosser | 198.72.124.27 | 08:46 |
| ianw | jrosser: ok try that root@ | 08:49 |
| jrosser | cool works, thankyou | 08:51 |
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| hrw | morning | 09:06 |
| hrw | AJaeger, ianw: how we are with that wheel cache stuff? I see that patches are in but https://static.opendev.org/mirror/wheel/ lacks any updates so something needs to be done still | 09:07 |
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| AJaeger | ianw: regarding 731989 - this is a partial revert, a wheel profile is not helpful | 09:32 |
| AJaeger | hrw: you can check the log files | 09:32 |
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| AJaeger | https://zuul.opendev.org/t/openstack/builds?job_name=publish-wheel-mirror-centos-7&job_name=publish-wheel-mirror-centos-8 etc | 09:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged zuul/zuul-jobs master: ensure-twine: Fix missing default value twine_executable https://review.opendev.org/732105 | 09:40 |
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| ianw | hrw / AJaeger: yeah i'm going to have to take a look, because i thought we moved to copying the wheels via the executor but i must be wrong | 09:53 |
| ianw | https://zuul.opendev.org/t/openstack/build/983eca73de2c4638982c2f7fc5cbd4ef ... it fails because no afs packages | 09:53 |
| AJaeger | ianw: argh ;( | 09:54 |
| ianw | i think the publish jobs should copy the results from the builder to afs, rather than relying on the building node to do it | 09:56 |
| ianw | i *thought* we had done that, but maybe we only talked about it | 09:57 |
| ianw | so i think it's solvable. also, getting afs clients working and sticking with the status quo isn't impossible either | 09:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ian Wienand proposed openstack/project-config master: Move wheel build role/job outside project-config https://review.opendev.org/731401 | 10:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Ian Wienand proposed openstack/project-config master: Reparent wheel-mirror jobs to new openstack-zuul-jobs versions https://review.opendev.org/732145 | 10:11 |
| ianw | AJaeger: ^ that is going to help. we've already merged fixes to the build-cache jobs into o-z-j ... but the periodic jobs are using the old build-mirror jobs still in project-config. | 10:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed zuul/zuul-jobs master: Document twine_executable https://review.opendev.org/732150 | 10:21 |
| AJaeger | ianw: thanks. | 10:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Michał Piotrowski proposed openstack/project-config master: Adding elastic/kibana repository https://review.opendev.org/732102 | 10:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed zuul/zuul-jobs master: Document twine_executable https://review.opendev.org/732150 | 11:12 |
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| hrw | ianw: thanks | 11:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jens Harbott (frickler) proposed zuul/zuul-jobs master: Fix download-logs template https://review.opendev.org/732169 | 12:00 |
| spotz | fungi diablo_rojo_phon - we're ok with either as we'll most likely be a regular meeting | 12:02 |
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| fungi | i'll take care of gtema's pad renaming requests in a sec | 12:53 |
| clarkb | I'm making tea, but I'm in the meetpad room | 12:54 |
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| fungi | was just sterilizing my earbuds | 12:56 |
| fungi | joining in a sec | 12:56 |
| * mordred is in but sound is weird - grabbing a different computer | 12:56 | |
| fungi | hrm, the ptg schedule is still linking to a zoom url... what were we using for meetpad url? i'll update it | 12:57 |
| AJaeger | fungi: https://meetpad.opendev.org/opendev-virtual-ptg-june-2020 | 12:57 |
| AJaeger | according to https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/opendev-virtual-ptg-june-2020 | 12:58 |
| * mordred has now spoken to AJaeger on meetpad, so considers the day successfulk | 12:59 | |
| fungi | okay, it's updated | 12:59 |
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| fungi | my bandwidth must be really terrible | 13:17 |
| fungi | i could barely hear anyone until i set the client to low-bandwidth mode, and even then people are cutting in and out | 13:17 |
| fungi | even low-definition video was causing significant audio issues for me | 13:18 |
| mnaser | meetpad doesn't even work for me on safari | 13:19 |
| fungi | oh, yeah, i have no idea if it works for safari at all | 13:19 |
| fungi | and i was never able to get it to work with firefox | 13:19 |
| fungi | only chrome has worked for me | 13:19 |
| clarkb | chrom* are definitely recommended | 13:19 |
| clarkb | firefox has been hit and miss | 13:19 |
| fungi | well, chromium worked for me i mean | 13:19 |
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| fungi | oh, might not be a bandwidth problem here. i'm running 6% idle across 4 cores. chromium is using basically all my cpu | 13:22 |
| mnaser | yeah it's eating up my battery hard too on chrome even on macos (aka hardware acceleration and friends are tehre) | 13:24 |
| fungi | i had firefox running in the background with a few (unrelated) tabs open. closing that seemed to free up a little more cpu so my sound quality has improved slightly | 13:29 |
| mnaser | 6% battery drop in 9 minutes | 13:34 |
| clarkb | mnaser: the mobile clients are apparently much more efficient if battery life is a major concern for you | 13:34 |
| fungi | #status renamed etherpad SDK-VictoriaPTG-Planning to sdk-victoriaptg-planning and API-SIG-VictoriaPTG-Planning to api-sig-victoriaptg-planning per gtema's request at 08:07 utc today in #opendev | 13:35 |
| openstackstatus | fungi: unknown command | 13:35 |
| fungi | #status log renamed etherpad SDK-VictoriaPTG-Planning to sdk-victoriaptg-planning and API-SIG-VictoriaPTG-Planning to api-sig-victoriaptg-planning per gtema's request at 08:07 utc today in #opendev | 13:35 |
| openstackstatus | fungi: finished logging | 13:35 |
| corvus | o/ sorry i'm late | 13:40 |
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| mnaser | corvus: we could hear you btw | 13:45 |
| corvus | neat | 13:45 |
| corvus | yay i'm back | 13:45 |
| corvus | i accidentally used ff, now i'm on chromium | 13:46 |
| fungi | i've noticed that chromium with just a jitsi-meet tab can consume basically all 4 cores of my i7-4500U (1.80GHz), load average hovers around 8. any time cpu idle drops to 8% the room goes entirely silent for me. i'm probably missing some hardware acceleration | 13:49 |
| fungi | er, any time it drops to 0% i meant | 13:49 |
| mnaser | brb | 13:50 |
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| AJaeger | #thanks clarkb for all the note taking in the etherpad! | 14:49 |
| openstackstatus | AJaeger: Added your thanks to Thanks page (https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Thanks) | 14:49 |
| AJaeger | mordred: regarding service sunsetting - is https://review.opendev.org/#/c/720892/ now ready? | 14:55 |
| clarkb | thanks everyone for joining | 14:55 |
| AJaeger | (that's part of the puppet sunsetting) | 14:55 |
| clarkb | We'll be back at 2300UTC starting with discussions on authentication of services | 14:56 |
| AJaeger | clarkb: I won't join the 2300 one unless I really cannot sleep ;) | 14:56 |
| clarkb | AJaeger: understood | 14:56 |
| mordred | AJaeger: yeah- I think so | 14:56 |
| mordred | AJaeger: also - I found 2 more: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/731947/ | 14:57 |
| AJaeger | cool. want to wait until PTG is over to push for them? | 14:57 |
| AJaeger | config-core, please review https://review.opendev.org/732169 https://review.opendev.org/732145 https://review.opendev.org/732102 https://review.opendev.org/731236 https://review.opendev.org/730726 https://review.opendev.org/731806 | 14:58 |
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| clarkb | AJaeger: on it | 15:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged zuul/zuul-jobs master: Fix download-logs template https://review.opendev.org/732169 | 15:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/project-config master: Reparent wheel-mirror jobs to new openstack-zuul-jobs versions https://review.opendev.org/732145 | 15:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/project-config master: Adding elastic/kibana repository https://review.opendev.org/732102 | 15:52 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/project-config master: Add publish-to-pypi to ansible-config_template https://review.opendev.org/730726 | 15:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/project-config master: Project creation request: airship/charts https://review.opendev.org/731236 | 15:55 |
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| clarkb | I've been dumping jicofo logs periodically just to see if there is any complains from jitsi meet and havent seen any yet | 16:30 |
| clarkb | we seem to have reasonable distribution across jvbs as well | 16:30 |
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| clarkb | what we haven't seen though is a flood of users, will be interesting to see as the week progresses if that happens or not | 16:30 |
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| fungi | so far i've been in three different meetpad rooms. maybe it's just the groups i choose to associate myself with, but all of them wanted to use meetpad instead of zoom | 16:52 |
| fungi | though i gather the release team wound up deciding to switch to zoom due to some audio connectivity issues | 16:52 |
| clarkb | based on the numbers diablo_rojo gave us last week I think meetpad intentions are high | 16:52 |
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| clarkb | smcginnis: if you end up with a hole in your schedule and want to debug your meetpad issues further I'd be happy to help with that | 17:26 |
| clarkb | (on our side it would be good to udnerstand the issues people are having) | 17:28 |
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| mordred | clarkb: right after our session gerrit released 3.2 | 17:32 |
| clarkb | mordred: ya I saw the email | 17:34 |
| fungi | bwahahaha | 17:34 |
| fungi | it's almost like they were listening in | 17:34 |
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| fungi | tripleo is planning to try meetpad tomorrow, supposedly they had 50 participants on zoom today, so they're going to see how it holds up for a larger group | 17:47 |
| clarkb | fungi: based on our testing for the ussuri celebration I think thats about the limti of what a single jvb can handle | 17:48 |
| clarkb | fungi: dependso n the amount of webcams i think | 17:48 |
| clarkb | definitely a good test | 17:48 |
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| mlavalle | The Neutron team intends to use meetpad. We are seeing zoom as a backup.... so how do I start the session in zoom? | 18:02 |
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| clarkb | mlavalle: I think you judt dial into zoom with the password | 18:03 |
| clarkb | but we dont run zoom so not the best group to ask | 18:04 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | mlavalle: I sent an email about moderation to slaweq | 18:11 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | But if you look at the ptgbot docs you can find the command to override the zoom URL to be a meetpad URL. | 18:11 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | All the info wrt zoom is in the email I sent to slaweq being the moderator for neutron. | 18:13 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | mlavalle: ^ | 18:14 |
| fungi | also got some jitsi-meet moderation questions in the diversity wg session, looks like the first person to join gets set as the mod, can add other participants as mods, mods can mute and eject participants | 18:14 |
| fungi | basically all you need | 18:14 |
| fungi | playing it by ear to see if i feel up to joining the wednesday morning opendev session... that's midnight to 2am local where i am, so i may not make it that long | 18:18 |
| mlavalle | diablo_rojo_phon: slaweq might not be able to moderate the meeting beause he is experiencing some health problems. he asked me to be ready to moderate in case he doesn't show up. Right now it is night time for him. If you could share that email with me, it would be great | 18:18 |
| mlavalle | I am just preparing myself for tomorrow, in case I have to step up to the plate ;-) | 18:19 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | mlavalle: I'll forward the email if you DM me what email you want it to be sent to. | 18:20 |
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| clarkb | fungi: I successfully tested jitsi meet moderation (muting of participant) today too | 18:21 |
| clarkb | and ya first one to join is moderator | 18:21 |
| mlavalle | clarkb: that's good to know | 18:21 |
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| mlavalle | diablo_rojo_phon: got it. Thanks! | 18:23 |
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| smcginnis | clarkb: I connected to the oslo call from my Fedora workstation and audio was fine. Earlier I tried from my work Windows laptop. It had connected fine, but I couldn't hear anything. Not sure if they could hear me or not. | 18:43 |
| smcginnis | Quite possible it's a weird work firewall or proxy issue. | 18:43 |
| clarkb | smcginnis: the browser audio settings have tripped me up previously in similar ways | 18:44 |
| clarkb | smcginnis: you want to ensure you've enabled things like your mic and webcam and ensure the browser has access to the correct devices | 18:44 |
| clarkb | though taht was always for my input not audio output | 18:44 |
| smcginnis | I did get prompted and accepted access to mic and webcam when I first connected. | 18:45 |
| clarkb | smcginnis: did the devices look correct ? | 18:45 |
| smcginnis | Then switched over which device was being used. Played test sound and at least that was coming through. | 18:45 |
| clarkb | a lot of computers end up with multiple valid options | 18:45 |
| smcginnis | But I assume that was just a locally played sound. | 18:45 |
| clarkb | also were you using chrome/chromium? | 18:45 |
| smcginnis | I tried system default, headset, and speakerphone options for mic and audio playback. Didn't seem to make a difference. | 18:46 |
| smcginnis | On Chrome. | 18:46 |
| clarkb | ok so probably not a device issue like I've had in the past | 18:46 |
| smcginnis | I'm just going to stick with my Fedora machine for any future ones. That's my preference anyway. ;) | 18:49 |
| fungi | i also found that on my systems with a bunch of different audio capture and sink options, sometimes the ones i wanted to use were muted at the alsa level by default and i had to un-mute them | 18:49 |
| fungi | adding pulseaudio also helped me, since it created merged virtual devices | 18:50 |
| clarkb | oh one thing I ran into with chrome is if you plug in your device after chrome starts it won't see it | 18:50 |
| clarkb | I have to restart chrome if I plug in my hedset | 18:50 |
| smcginnis | Not this particular case, but a good thing to watch out for. | 18:50 |
| fungi | i know pa has a longstanding reputation as an unholy nightmare, but recentish releases are a lot more stable | 18:51 |
| mordred | smcginnis: also - fwiw - I have been tripped up several times now by my html5 video-autoplay-blocker. turns out streaming audio/video not so much when you have an autoplay blocker | 18:53 |
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| clarkb | does anyone know why jvb02-04 have more graphs than meetpad01 and jvb01 in cacti? I'm assuming its related to the network issues the 01 hosts had, do we do a separate oid discovery step? | 19:29 |
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| mordred | clarkb: I do not know the answer to that question | 19:31 |
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| clarkb | the major thing I think we are missing is the bits per second and packets per second measurements | 19:32 |
| clarkb | we have memory, swap, and cpu though | 19:32 |
| clarkb | oh and load | 19:32 |
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| mordred | clarkb: maybe the oid discovery stuff is triggered by something changing - but we had network issues so the next time the thing didn't change and so we didn't re-run it? | 19:38 |
| clarkb | ya thats my hunch | 19:39 |
| clarkb | I bet we can rerun it if we know what it is | 19:39 |
| clarkb | or clone the list from jvb02 | 19:39 |
| mordred | yeah | 19:44 |
| mordred | clarkb: you wanna see another weird thing? | 19:49 |
| mordred | clarkb: the tox-linters error here makes *NO SENSE*: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/731258/ | 19:49 |
| corvus | clarkb: i think the script should re-run discovery, but maybe we don't run it as much these days | 19:56 |
| corvus | clarkb: it's pretty easy to fix up through the web though, i'll do that in a sce | 19:56 |
| clarkb | corvus: thanks | 19:57 |
| corvus | clarkb: the admin ui says we have 32 graphs for 2-4 and 7 graphs for meetpad and 01 | 20:02 |
| clarkb | corvus: that sounds about right | 20:02 |
| clarkb | and I expect them to all have ~32 like 2-4 | 20:02 |
| corvus | clarkb: did you change the 'hostname' for jvb01? | 20:03 |
| clarkb | corvus: yes | 20:03 |
| corvus | i think it may have been set back | 20:03 |
| clarkb | it had the same problem sa meetpad so I gave it the same updated treatment | 20:03 |
| clarkb | 2-4 did not have this problem and were left alone | 20:03 |
| corvus | yeah, the create_graphs script changes it back | 20:06 |
| clarkb | maybe we sould remove the AAAA record for them? or just leave them be until we can boot a new cacti? Not really great options when networking isn't networking | 20:06 |
| corvus | okay, i changed the 'hostname' to the ip address, clicked the little circle icon for all 3 data queries for the host, then ran "./create_graphs.sh meetpad.opendev.org" which created all except the 3 free space graphs, but then reset the hostname. so then i updated the hostname again, re-ran the partition query, then clicked "create graphs for this host" then checked the 3 graphs for the partitions, then | 20:11 |
| corvus | clicked create. | 20:11 |
| corvus | same for jvb01 | 20:11 |
| corvus | i'm guessing something about the sequencing in that script causes it to re-run the partition query after resetting the hostname | 20:11 |
| corvus | anyway, those hosts should be good starting now (give it 5-10m to collect data) | 20:12 |
| clarkb | you think it will steady state now that the graphs are all created? | 20:12 |
| corvus | yep | 20:12 |
| corvus | at least, as long as the data collection has been working | 20:12 |
| corvus | clarkb: we might be able to have our script set the device name and hostname explicitly | 20:13 |
| corvus | so just use "ipv4 if available" across the board | 20:13 |
| corvus | php -q add_device.php --description="$HOST_NAME" --ip="$HOST_NAME" --template=$HOST_TEMPLATE_ID --version=2 --community="public" | 20:14 |
| clarkb | I think the risk with that is if we change the name in dns and don't rerun that script? | 20:14 |
| corvus | that's what we're running now ^ | 20:14 |
| corvus | clarkb: i think it gets run periodically | 20:14 |
| corvus | so yeah, actually "description" and "ip" are already set separately | 20:15 |
| corvus | so i think if we just change --ip="$HOST_NAME" to --ip="$LOOKUP_IPV4 if available else $HOST_NAME" we'll have what we want | 20:15 |
| corvus | i have to venture out for groceries, biab. | 20:16 |
| mordred | corvus: be safe | 20:19 |
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| fungi | interesting discovery in a session just now... apparently if keyboard focus is on on the shared document, you can toggle soft mute of your input with the "m" key | 21:23 |
| fungi | (for jitsi-meet) | 21:24 |
| clarkb | fungi: there are a number of keyboard shortcuts but I don't think when I was taking notes earlier today that it unmuted when I typed m | 21:24 |
| clarkb | could be more subtle for when the input is read yb jitsi ? | 21:25 |
| fungi | er, i meant if keyboard focus is *not* on the shared document ;) | 21:25 |
| fungi | that is, taking notes in the pad shouldn't toggle your mute state | 21:25 |
| fungi | "t" apparently brings up statistics, which has been mildly annoying since ctrl+t,ctrl+t is how i swap active windows in my wm | 21:26 |
| mordred | fungi: just don't take any notes that have the letter m | 21:26 |
| fungi | well, thankfully you don't have to actually avoid the letter m... though maybe we could go back to it being a ligature of nn | 21:27 |
| clarkb | the good news is it seems to filter my loud keyboard well so even if every 'm' toggled mute we'd probably be ok | 21:30 |
| mordred | fungi: I thinking that nnaybe we write a pep8 rule to replace all use of the rascally letter | 21:31 |
| fungi | though apparently my workstation fan noise was not being well filtered earlier... appears my netbook is faring better for this | 21:31 |
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| ianw | infra-root: all dependencies for https://review.opendev.org/#/c/731401/ to finalise the wheel build jobs moving into openstack-zuul-jobs are merged now, appreciate it if we could have a look | 22:47 |
| ianw | working on publishing via the executors now, ontop of that | 22:47 |
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| corvus | it's ptg time again at https://meetpad.opendev.org/opendev-virtual-ptg-june-2020 | 23:01 |
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