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| SvenKieske | not sure if this is the right channel: when clicking on "code hosting" on https://opendev.org/ the link goes to https://opendev.org/explore/organizations which is the org search. I always end up getting no search results there because I first have to switch to the repository search: https://opendev.org/explore/repos the question is: could the link be changed? (I have no idea in which repo this website is located, I can | 14:49 |
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| SvenKieske | submit a changeset) | 14:49 |
| fungi | SvenKieske: i guess it depends on what we expect people to be looking for there. the assumption was that they'd look for a namespace like "openstack" or "vexxhost" or "zuul" rather than a specific repository | 14:51 |
| SvenKieske | well, if I click on "code hosting" I'm searching for code, not for people, but that's just me :D | 14:53 |
| fungi | "organizations" aren't people in this sense, they're organized collections of source code repositories | 14:53 |
| SvenKieske | I often end up searching via the github mirrors because it's less hassle and the code search itself is also better. which is kind of sad. | 14:53 |
| SvenKieske | well e.g. I just wanted to search for "ldappool" which only exists as a repo, not an org, no hits there | 14:54 |
| fungi | i agree that the code search in gitea is still somewhat lacking, which is why we also continue to maintain codesearch.opendev.org for now | 14:54 |
| fungi | that runs an instance of a separate service (hound) | 14:55 |
| SvenKieske | ah, I didn't even know codesearch.opendev.org is a thing, is that linked somewhere? it's quite possible I just didn't look in the right place. | 14:55 |
| SvenKieske | thanks! | 14:55 |
| fungi | i think we didn't link to it because we were hopeful the code search in gitea would improve more quickly | 14:55 |
| fungi | prior to the gitea migration (when we were still using cgit), that was our only repository content searching system | 14:56 |
| SvenKieske | okay, I mean in general I guess I'm fine with gitea. It's just that I always forget to switch to the repo search. And I never find anything in the org search, that's to high level for my needs | 14:57 |
| fungi | SvenKieske: if you want to propose a change to the link, that's in our template here: https://opendev.org/opendev/system-config/src/branch/master/docker/gitea/custom/templates/home.tmpl#L11 | 14:58 |
| SvenKieske | okay, if I search for the "openstack" org I find every repo under the org | 14:59 |
| fungi | SvenKieske: also the "explore" button at the top of the page goes to the repositories search instead of the organizations search | 14:59 |
| SvenKieske | I can propose a change, but I'd like to have consensus first, does that make sense? I mean it's totally possible that a reasonable expectation is that a user wants to search for orgs at first. | 14:59 |
| SvenKieske | yeah, it's just one click, so really a minor issue | 15:00 |
| fungi | well, what i'm saying is that on the opendev.org top level page there's already a link to the repo search, it's the explore button at the very top | 15:00 |
| SvenKieske | just asked because it's like the third or fourth time I forget that click and that's slightly annoying. and it's easier to fix websites than people :D | 15:00 |
| SvenKieske | ah wait on opendev.org itself? thanks for that pointer, that didn't occur to me | 15:01 |
| SvenKieske | maybe I should also save some bookmarks for this stuff instead of re-searching everytime :D | 15:02 |
| fungi | i agree the ui is a little counter-intuitive, it's one of the challenges resulting from us wanting to have our code browsing service double as the main page for our collaboratory | 15:02 |
| fungi | main landing page i mean | 15:02 |
| fungi | also the content on that page is long overdue for a refresh | 15:03 |
| SvenKieske | well, at least that site works. | 15:05 |
| SvenKieske | openstack.org is in a much more dire situation :D | 15:05 |
| fungi | openstack.org has a lot of historical baggage since it used to be the foundation's web site rather than really being a project web site, hence the proliferation of subdomains like docs.o.o, security.o.o, releases.o.o, et cetera. contrast with zuul-ci.org which just puts project documentation in zuul-ci.org/docs | 15:06 |
| SvenKieske | I'm just talking about basic stuff like completely broken links (404) e.g. all "sample configs" seem to be broken, example: https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/tags/starter-kit_compute.html linked from https://www.openstack.org/software/sample-configs#compute-starter-kit | 15:07 |
| fungi | the foundation has moved to openinfra.dev since its rename, but continues to manage the openstack.org site as somewhere between foundation marketing collateral and a project landing page | 15:07 |
| SvenKieske | yeah; I understand there is little dev power for stuff like this - at least that's my impression from the outside - | 15:08 |
| fungi | right. the upshot is that community members can't easily propose fixes for openstack.org content because a lot of it is inside a clicky-clicky cms that only the foundation design and marketing people have access to | 15:09 |
| SvenKieske | and I guess there's not much overlap between infrastructure /backend engineers and webfrontend people | 15:09 |
| fungi | no, in fact the foundation outsources much of its web development to a third party | 15:09 |
| SvenKieske | I also tend to avoid web frontend stuff as much as possible | 15:09 |
| SvenKieske | ah really | 15:10 |
| SvenKieske | then they are really not getting that much for their money. | 15:10 |
| fungi | i think they're getting what they pay for (or more), but budgets are tight when you're a nonprofit org | 15:10 |
| SvenKieske | I know some webdevs and web agencies who know their stuff. I mean it's a complicated site and surely a lot of work, but no broken links is like webdev 101 | 15:10 |
| fungi | no broken links is still someone spending time to fix them when the things they link to are outside their sphere of control | 15:11 |
| SvenKieske | I mean I don't know what they pay. I'm also under the impression that the foundation is somehow short on money, despite all these large orgs paying. | 15:11 |
| SvenKieske | anyway, thanks for the info :) | 15:12 |
| fungi | lots of money goes to staff who work on other parts of the organization, to very expensive lawyers, and so on | 15:12 |
| fungi | and to putting on events for the community at a loss (those events are only partly covered by ticket prices and sponsorships, the rest comes out of the annual budget) | 15:13 |
| fungi | but yes, upkeep on the openstack.org site has been languishing since the web development effort recently has been going into migrating foundation content to openinfra.dev | 15:14 |
| fungi | i think the plan is to freshen up openstack.org and make it more software/community specific once the rest of the foundation content has moved off of it | 15:15 |
| SvenKieske | well regarding events I hope future events will become more virtualized, but that doesn't mean that it will become cheaper. | 15:16 |
| fungi | right, it's a balancing act. companies are less inclined to sponsor virtual events, or sponsor for less money, and we typically haven't charged attendees for them at all, so they end up with a much larger proportion spent from the foundation's budget | 15:20 |
| opendevreview | Luciano Lo Giudice proposed openstack/project-config master: Add charms.ceph to charm-ceph acl https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/project-config/+/888066 | 15:40 |
| opendevreview | Luciano Lo Giudice proposed openstack/project-config master: Add ceph-related projects to charm-ceph acl https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/project-config/+/888066 | 15:51 |
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