| spotz_ | Fungi may be a few minutes late, if anyone else shows can you start? | 16:37 |
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| fungi | sure thing, i'll set you as a chair | 16:40 |
| fungi | so that you can feel free to take over once you're free | 16:41 |
| spotz_ | Thanks | 16:41 |
| fungi | spotz said she'd be running a few minutes late and asked me to start the meeting in the meantime | 17:00 |
| fungi | #startmeeting diversity-wg | 17:00 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting started Mon Oct 4 17:00:23 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| opendevmeet | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| opendevmeet | The meeting name has been set to 'diversity_wg' | 17:00 |
| fungi | #link Meeting Agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/diversity-wg-agenda | 17:00 |
| fungi | #chair spotz | 17:00 |
| opendevmeet | Current chairs: fungi spotz | 17:00 |
| fungi | #topic PTG | 17:00 |
| fungi | the ptg is coming up in a couple weeks, i know spotz reserved us some time, i don't see any indication on the agenda that we've got a ptg planning document anywhere yet to collect ideas for what we want to discuss | 17:02 |
| fungi | i recall a meeting or two back it was suggested that we take the opportunity to review the various codes of conduct (foundation coc, community coc, event cocs) | 17:02 |
| fungi | we also talked about maybe taking some time together to look through example uses of terms identified through the earlier inclusive terminology effort, and try to identify some low hanging fruit or other opportunities for contributors to tackle those | 17:05 |
| fungi | i did a bit of that a while ago, just basic queries in the opendev codesearch, to try and get some idea of what's likely to be involved | 17:06 |
| fungi | but it might be good to work through some specific examples in our projects to get a clearer picture | 17:07 |
| fungi | since i'm not sure whether i'm the only one around at the moment, i'll give others in the channel a chance to catch up and comment | 17:08 |
| fungi | seeming like maybe it's just me at the moment, so i'll confer quietly with myself on this topic until spotz is back | 17:13 |
| fungi | from the looks of the agenda etherpad, lisa is trying to join but maybe going to the wrong place. i tried to provide some guidance there | 17:17 |
| spotz_ | Hey, I’m running a little late but logged in from phone | 17:20 |
| SWDevAngel | Me too. | 17:20 |
| fungi | oh hi there | 17:20 |
| SWDevAngel | Having trouble logging in from computer so just on phone today. | 17:21 |
| spotz_ | Hey fungi | 17:21 |
| SWDevAngel | Hi Fungi | 17:21 |
| fungi | spotz_: SWDevAngel: this is what i've covered so far: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2021/diversity_wg.2021-10-04-17.00.log.txt | 17:22 |
| spotz_ | So PTG we’re probably meeting too early for you swdrvangel but TC is having an open leadership in the slots after ours | 17:25 |
| spotz_ | I was hoping we’d get some early logins | 17:25 |
| spotz_ | I’m hoping we can make some progress on naming but we still don’t have the stance online yet | 17:27 |
| spotz_ | Grr | 17:29 |
| SWDevAngel | ;) | 17:29 |
| spotz_ | Missed any responses | 17:31 |
| fungi | nope | 17:32 |
| spotz_ | Ok I’ll try to email out an invite to our time slot with a copy of the stance in it this week. I’ll be in LA next week and still need to come up with a social for the PTG | 17:34 |
| spotz | Anything else we want to try to do for the PTG? | 17:37 |
| fungi | #chair spotz_ | 17:37 |
| opendevmeet | Current chairs: fungi spotz spotz_ | 17:37 |
| fungi | (didn't add your _ nick earlier) | 17:37 |
| fungi | so far we talked about reviewing the various codes of conduct, and working through some specific examples of updates to projects for inclusive terminology | 17:38 |
| fungi | i don't remember any other ptg topic ideas floated yet | 17:38 |
| spotz | I was hoping we'd get some of the projects to stop by and work through their naming issues. Maybe just concentrating on the CoC stuff would be a better use of our time though | 17:40 |
| fungi | well, if nobody stops by with specific examples, we can find examples to discuss via codesearch and one of us can push up some patches | 17:41 |
| fungi | i think it's a good opportunity to at least raise those examples to the broader community via mailing lists or whatever in order to demonstrate that they're in many cases simple introductory fixes for new contributors to cut their teeth on | 17:42 |
| fungi | that will hopefully spur on some progress | 17:43 |
| spotz | Ok soo we'll invite folks, and if not we'll do the codesearch and patches, and the CoC | 17:43 |
| spotz | Once finalized we can make an etherpad | 17:43 |
| fungi | the coc situation is evolving too, we've got a new url and have been pushing changes to project sites and docs to update that | 17:44 |
| fungi | the foundation executive management team has been coordinating with legal counsel to update a lot of the existing legal documents in the wake of the name change | 17:44 |
| fungi | so this is probably a great time to bring up other changes which might be warranted | 17:45 |
| SWDevAngel | Cool | 17:45 |
| SWDevAngel | Spotz I’ll be in LA next week also. :) | 17:45 |
| spotz | SWDevAngel: Sweet we'll need to meet up | 17:45 |
| fungi | i love louisiana, jealous! | 17:46 |
| spotz | fungi: yeah that's one of the reasons the stance has no home yet | 17:46 |
| spotz | fungi: hehe | 17:46 |
| fungi | (well, really mostly new orleans) | 17:46 |
| SWDevAngel | Ha ha. WISH I was going to the state LA not the city!!! ;) | 17:47 |
| spotz | I want to go to NOLA and break my diet:) | 17:47 |
| fungi | spotz: the reshuffling of legal docs and moving of the codes of conduct is part of it, but also that the statement of support for inclusive language isn't a legal document the board ratified, so it's not actually tied to the foundation bylaws like the coc and other things in the legal document set | 17:48 |
| SWDevAngel | Instead we’ll be in CALA… funny. Never called it that before. | 17:48 |
| fungi | i was trying to push for a board vote on that statement of support, but nobody seemed to think it was worth voting on | 17:49 |
| spotz | Yeah the answer I got was that it was approved no vote needed. | 17:50 |
| spotz | #link - https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/yogaptg-d%26i | 17:51 |
| fungi | but not ratified as a motion, so not published as an actual statement from the board | 17:52 |
| fungi | there is basically still no official record of it, as a result | 17:52 |
| fungi | if it were a resolution, it would have at least appeared in board meeting minutes | 17:53 |
| spotz | IIt should have at least been in the minutes | 17:55 |
| fungi | as far as i know the text of the statement was not included in the minutes (the text of a resolution would have been) | 17:57 |
| spotz | Ok I can see that. It was brought up in a meeting, I gave updates to it, and we all agreed to it in email with maybe only a brief final message but nothing was ever read or included in the minutes with the actual contents | 17:59 |
| fungi | yeah, hard to see it as an actual statement made by the board if there was no resolution, but also it would have had the side effect of the text actually being published as part of the proceedings | 18:00 |
| spotz | I think for now we just push forward with atleast getting it on a secured wiki page no one can just edit and we'll focus on stuff we can get done like straightening up the CoC issue | 18:02 |
| fungi | i can do that at any time. setting the protected flag on a wiki page is just a click for me as a wiki moderator | 18:02 |
| spotz | fungi: Let's go ahead and get that done and links to the word suggestions we'd done and maybe the CoC? | 18:03 |
| fungi | sure, happy to | 18:07 |
| spotz | Thanks, it'll at least give us a little closure to this | 18:09 |
| fungi | oh, also before we close the meeting, a link to the new community coc location... | 18:09 |
| fungi | #link Open Infrastructure Foundation Community Code of Conduct: https://openinfra.dev/legal/code-of-conduct/ | 18:09 |
| spotz | And are all projects using that one? | 18:10 |
| fungi | they either already link to it or have changes proposed for their web sites to switch the url. but also the old url now redirects to that | 18:10 |
| spotz | It's definitely a more indepth CoC | 18:10 |
| spotz | OOk let me close the meeting out | 18:11 |
| spotz | #endmeeting | 18:11 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Mon Oct 4 18:11:40 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:11 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2021/diversity_wg.2021-10-04-17.00.html | 18:11 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2021/diversity_wg.2021-10-04-17.00.txt | 18:11 |
| opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2021/diversity_wg.2021-10-04-17.00.log.html | 18:11 |
| fungi | thanks spotz! | 18:11 |
| spotz | Thank you! | 18:11 |
| spotz | I appreciate you starting things off | 18:12 |
| fungi | my pleasure, always happy to be of service | 18:12 |
| spotz | Everything just converged at noon today:( | 18:20 |
| fungi | happens to me too | 18:21 |
| fungi | there's an hour on thursday this week where i'm quadruple-booked | 18:22 |
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