| fungi | i have our monthly diversity meeting on my calendar for 14:00 utc today (about 1.25 hours from now), if anyone else wants to hold one | 12:45 |
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| fungi | it's been... a while | 12:45 |
| spotz[m] | Ha I was coming here to see if anyone was going to be about. I don't think we have anything for an agenda but it would be good to just touch base even for a few | 13:25 |
| fungi | sounds good | 13:37 |
| spotz[m] | Do we want to bother with a log? | 14:01 |
| ildikov | o/ | 14:03 |
| spotz[m] | Hey Ildiko, I suspect fungi will be back shortly | 14:05 |
| ildikov | sounds good | 14:06 |
| fungi | k | 14:06 |
| fungi | sure, meeting log sounds good | 14:06 |
| fungi | (sorry, first day back from vacation and juggling security updates on my devices) | 14:07 |
| spotz[m] | #startmeeting diversity-wg | 14:08 |
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| spotz[m] | #topic roll call | 14:09 |
| fungi | i'm around, more or less | 14:09 |
| spotz[m] | Ok commands aren't working for me over the bridge it seems:) | 14:10 |
| spotz[m] | or at least not answering back | 14:10 |
| spotz[m] | I really don't have an agenda but thought it might be good for us to meet at least for a few and catch up | 14:11 |
| spotz[m] | Last I checked there's no new submission for the survey, not sure if it's worth "kicking it off" again as it's been open a few years now | 14:11 |
| ildikov | I'm not sure either if that would make a difference | 14:12 |
| ildikov | it's not something on top of people's minds and priority lists lately | 14:12 |
| ildikov | not to say it shouldn't be, but it's a hard competition out there | 14:12 |
| fungi | yeah, worth rethinking the approach | 14:13 |
| spotz[m] | And I'm not sure if there's enough new folks for us to get replies from vs I filled it out 5 years ago or whatever the time before this on was | 14:14 |
| fungi | perhaps there are alternatives to running voluntary surveys for this sort of thing | 14:14 |
| ildikov | yeah, I also wonder if running a survey serves the effort the best right now | 14:15 |
| spotz[m] | Did our last attempt to include other projects also make it more confusing? | 14:15 |
| ildikov | I wouldn't think so, but I haven't hear Dany feedback one way or the other | 14:16 |
| fungi | from an inclusivity standpoint, i don't know that we have any option other than to include all projects, but sure maybe promoting a separate survey per project could have been mildly less confusing | 14:17 |
| fungi | it would have been a fair amount of additional work though | 14:17 |
| ildikov | with companies still announcing mass layoffs here and there, I think the barriers to our efforts have shifted around us | 14:18 |
| ildikov | knowing the projects as much as I do, I don't think it's worth the effort to run one survey each | 14:19 |
| fungi | agreed | 14:19 |
| spotz[m] | Yeah layoffs the last year or so definitely effect the work environment and time for things like this | 14:19 |
| ildikov | yeah, and when people ar sin existential crisis, their priorities and attention shifts as well | 14:20 |
| ildikov | you don't even need to lose your job, it's enough to be concerned for a good chunk of time | 14:20 |
| spotz[m] | Ok so lets leave the survey as -is. Is there anything else we should maybe focus on? | 14:21 |
| ildikov | and in the not too far future inclusivity conversations might include a bit more machine vs human debates as well | 14:21 |
| fungi | not really looking forward to those discussions | 14:22 |
| spotz[m] | Yeah we're still working on the updated policy so it'll be a bit before we're happy with a new version | 14:25 |
| fungi | should we, perhaps, be looking more into demographic analysis rather than direct surveying? | 14:26 |
| fungi | for example, i do put together some geographic demographics for openstack contributors around each development cycle | 14:27 |
| fungi | but maybe there are options for broadening that sort of thing beyond just country and openstack | 14:28 |
| spotz[m] | So we know where folks contribute from, we'd lose the where they're actually from. | 14:28 |
| fungi | well, at the moment we don't know either one | 14:28 |
| fungi | we know what country they identify with | 14:28 |
| fungi | (if they volunteered that information) | 14:29 |
| spotz[m] | Ahh ok, I thought you were talking IPs for location, etc | 14:29 |
| fungi | it might be where they're physically located most of the time, might be where they were born/grew up, might be where they hold primary citizenship... | 14:29 |
| fungi | basically, can we lean on contributor profiles as a stand-in for some things we previously hoped to get out of the surveys? | 14:30 |
| spotz[m] | I think we can for some like gender, and as mentioned a location though unknown if residence or upbringing. We can't get their thought on issues though | 14:31 |
| fungi | correct | 14:33 |
| fungi | but at the moment we aren't getting that anyway | 14:33 |
| spotz[m] | Ok I think it might be worth the effort | 14:34 |
| spotz[m] | Some at least for OpenStack we probably have as we usually say the number of countries contributions for a release come from? | 14:35 |
| fungi | yeah, what i provide to the foundation marketing team is a breakdown of number of contributors per country and number of contributions per country | 14:36 |
| fungi | for example, that's how we know that we have more code contributors and contributions from eu member states than from all of north america | 14:37 |
| spotz[m] | And that makes sense for other reasons as well | 14:39 |
| spotz[m] | So lets try to collect what data we can, then we can look at it and see what if anything we can do with it | 14:43 |
| fungi | with the transition from openinfraid to lfid profiles, it probably makes sense longer-term to see what we can get out of lfx insights | 14:46 |
| spotz[m] | Ok lets take that as our action item from today. | 14:47 |
| fungi | though that's down the road, and we'll have some similar challenges getting people to enter relevant info there | 14:47 |
| fungi | but yes, it's a possible direction we can look into | 14:47 |
| spotz[m] | Anything else we want to discuss today? | 14:48 |
| fungi | i didn't have anything | 14:49 |
| fungi | ildikov? | 14:50 |
| ildikov | I don't have anything else | 14:51 |
| ildikov | agree to what was discussed above | 14:51 |
| spotz[m] | Thanks for coming and the conversation! | 14:51 |
| spotz[m] | #endmeeting | 14:52 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Tue Jul 7 14:52:00 2026 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:52 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2026/diversity_wg.2026-07-07-14.08.html | 14:52 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2026/diversity_wg.2026-07-07-14.08.txt | 14:52 |
| opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2026/diversity_wg.2026-07-07-14.08.log.html | 14:52 |
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