Wednesday, 2016-10-19

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sai_igdtuwHi.. I want to deploy openstack juno 3 node architecture(controller, network and one compute) for my project. So for the setup I am using  a unmanaged  switch to implement the management network. I am facing two issues: 1) On the management network the network node is not able to ping the controller  & compute, while the controller and compute can ping one another. 2) The network and the compute can't access the internet wh07:27
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Abdushi14:19
AbdusI am new to open stack and would like to contribute.. =14:19
AbdusI am reading the wiki.. but any suggestions would be great :-)14:20
Abdusthanks in advance14:20
vkmchey Abdus, welcome!14:23
AbdusHi14:23
vkmcOpenStack is quite big, so probably the best is to understand which project you want to contribute to14:23
vkmcand then start learning more about that project in particular14:24
Abdusoh ok.. I have read that it has several projects... I will read about those projects...14:25
Abdusis there any one account i can create and work with for all the projects repositories and email subscriptions?14:25
AbdusI have created a ubuntu one account but dont know what to do with that14:27
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ildikov#startmeeting Upstream training prep16:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Oct 19 16:01:35 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ildikov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:01
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'upstream_training_prep'16:01
mrmartino/16:01
kmARCo/16:01
ianychoio/16:01
berendto/16:01
csatario/16:01
ildikovroll-call :)16:01
xyanghi16:01
csatari(whatever that means)16:02
csatarihi16:02
ildikovlet's wait a bit for others to show up16:03
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ianychoiildikov, I suggest to use "#startmeeting Upstream training" for real upstream training, since we need to not to make too much different log directories on http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/16:03
ianychoiCurrently, there are "upstream_korea", "upstream_training", and "upstream_training_prep" :)16:03
ildikovianychoi: ok, tnx for the heads up16:03
ildikovvkmc: are you around?16:04
ianychoiildikov, np :)16:04
ildikovok, let's start :)16:05
kmARC(maybe one also could set the topic on this channel ;-) )16:05
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ianychoiusually chair can the topic16:05
ildikov#chair kmARC16:05
openstackCurrent chairs: ildikov kmARC16:05
ildikovkmARC: feel free ;)16:05
ianychoikmARC, please set topic!16:05
vkmchere o/16:06
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ildikovcoolio :)16:06
ildikovour chaotic but full of info etherpad: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/upstream-university-improvements16:06
winggundamth__hi16:06
ildikovI drafted an agenda which currently outlines more the order of blocks and not the length16:07
ildikovwinggundamth__: hi, thanks for joining16:07
ianychoiAlthough I did not notice opening such meeting, fortunately I am online now :)16:07
ildikovSunday will be more about lectures, but we tried to add exercises as many as we could16:08
ildikovwe have five hours that day16:08
winggundamth__I'm first timer here as a mentor. be a mentee before from last summit. please let me know if I could be any help :)16:08
ildikovwe will start with introductions and forming groups of people so that they can do the exercises as group effort16:08
ildikovso far it seems we will not have enough mentors/coaches to have one person assigned to each team16:09
mrmartinhow much attendees we have?16:09
ildikovso far more than 30 students confirmed they are coming16:10
ildikovand we have two groups reached out directly after we closed the registration16:10
ildikovas we usually have a high ratio of no show we encouraged them to prepare that they can fit in16:10
ildikovthere will be a few students be late a bit on Sunday16:11
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ildikovso after the intro we have the sections about the OpenStack community in the sense of how it is structured and how we are working together16:12
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ildikovI think at the end of the day we could spend time on setting up the environment if someone does not have it yet16:12
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ildikovkmARC: do you think it's a good timing? ^^16:12
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kmARChm16:13
kmARCyes16:13
ildikovok, I'll add a note to the etherpad then :)16:13
ildikovhow much time do you think we should allocate to it?16:13
kmARCan hour at minimum16:15
ildikovkmARC: ^16:15
kmARCsorry had a network interruption16:15
ildikovuh, ok16:16
ildikovdo you think we could try to get people started to have the VMs and give them home work and check on it Monday morning?16:16
vkmcI like the idea of leaving some space for environment setup and debugging if needed16:16
kmARCyes16:17
kmARCI'll update the vm today tho16:17
kmARCI already got a feedback16:17
ildikovsure, I understand it takes time, we just don't have too much of it :(16:17
ildikovso I was wondering to reserve some time for it to Monday morning when people are warming up to fix the remaining issues16:18
ildikovkmARC: is there smth that's not working?16:18
csatariWhat if we do this before 9 on Monday?16:18
kmARCthere are two issues:16:19
kmARC1) warning about ccannot mount vagrant user dir (already fixed it, will commit in a couple hours)16:19
kmARC2) there is a network setup which is needed to be performed if one uses the prebuilt ova file, I need to document that16:19
ildikovcsatari: I need to check on the room availability16:19
csatariokay16:19
ildikovcsatari: but we can try with that16:20
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annegentlesorry I'm late o/16:20
csatariIt would be optimal in a sense, that it does not takes other students time.16:20
ildikovok, I'll add 45-60 minutes for this one and we will see whether we need more Monday morning16:20
mrmartinhi anne16:20
csatariIf we are okay to go there half an hour elarlier.16:21
kmARCI am16:21
ildikovannegentle: np, thanks for joining! :)16:21
ildikovkmARC: cool, tnx!16:21
ildikovlet's keep this as an option16:21
csatariI am also, however I do not know if I will be able to debug anything :)16:21
ildikovcsatari: more eyes are always good16:22
ildikov:)16:22
csatariEyes I have.16:22
ildikovkmARC: do you need any help for the env?16:22
kmARCNothing I can think of16:23
ildikovkmARC: cool16:23
ildikovis there anything else for the dev env we should talk about here?16:23
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ildikovdetails about it can be found here: #link https://github.com/kmARC/openstack-training-virtual-environment/16:24
ildikovplease spend a few minutes on looking into what we offer to the students16:24
vkmc<kmARC> 2) there is a network setup which is needed to be performed if one uses the prebuilt ova file, I need to document that <- ova?16:25
ildikovkmARC was so nice to prepare it, if you have any questions please ping him16:25
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vkmcare we using virtualbox?16:25
kmARCvkmc, just please glance trough the linked github page, everything is written down there16:25
vkmck k16:25
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ildikovyeap, it includes documentation too! :)16:26
ildikovwhen we get through the more general topics on Sunday we will get into the tools and how to contribute parts on Monday16:27
ildikovfor the afternoon the plan is to have a few deep dive blocks, we plan to run them in parallel16:27
ildikovI need to check whether we have students confirmed for each block16:27
ildikovplans are code, documentation and working groups deep dive16:28
berendtfor documentation, i will prepare some slides while traveling to Barcelona (on Saturday)16:28
ildikovwe have a few ideas for the code deep dive part, patch is in WIP, but up for review: #link ttps://review.openstack.org/38822116:29
ildikovberendt: great, thank you!16:29
ildikovfor the working group part I contacted the working group chairs to have a round table discussion with students, who are interested in that area16:30
berendt#link https://review.openstack.org/38822116:30
ildikovberendt: tnx!16:30
csatarikmARC: In the documentation either you should mention, that the 10GB disk space is needed on the C:/ drive on windows or you should tell me what to do with VirtualBox to use my other drive ;)16:30
ildikovto point behind these plans that not everyone is necessarily a code contributor16:30
ildikovsee activities around AUC16:30
ildikovand we plan to have a closing exercise at the end, which supersedes the Lego exercise this time16:31
csatariAnd now with the missing h #link https://review.openstack.org/38822116:31
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kmARCcsatari, please feel free to contribure to the git project. I don't have access to any Windows machine thus cannot test a possible solution16:31
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berendtNO lego..? :(16:31
csatarikmARC> Okay. I will.16:32
ildikovit would be great if we could have the "WG students" interacting with the groups of "coding students" while practicing to use the tools we have in OpenStack16:32
ildikovberendt: nor time, neither Lego this time :(16:32
ildikovthe closing exercise idea is currently here, not fully outlined yet: #link https://review.openstack.org/38672816:33
ildikovplease comment on it if you have further views on how to achieve group collaboration and add one more hands-on block at the end of the training16:34
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ildikovthis is roughly the plan for the one and a half days16:34
ildikovI would like to ask at this point that who's interested in presenting any of the lecture sections from the agenda?16:35
kmARC!!!!MEEEEE!!!!16:35
openstackkmARC: Error: "!!!MEEEEE!!!!" is not a valid command.16:35
berendtlol16:36
kmARCme16:36
ildikovI remember vkmc was interested too16:36
ildikovkmARC: lol :)16:36
vkmco/16:36
vkmcI am16:36
ildikovso again the therpad with the planned agenda: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/upstream-university-improvements16:36
uehtesham90__hello, this is not open stack related but i was hoping someone can point me in the right direction. we have a webservice running using eventlet.wsgi and within one of our restful apis we want to run some logic using multiprocessing. but when i tried to run the webservice api that contains the multiprocessing module i get the following error:16:36
uehtesham90__https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/T8Xhjik1/16:37
uehtesham90__has anyone ever come across such an issue before? or is there a irc channel that i can join where someone can help me with this kind of issue?16:37
ildikovthose who are interested in presenting could you please add your name to the block you would like to pick?16:37
berendtuehtesham90__ i think #openstack could be the right channel for you16:37
csatariildikov> I'm happy to present Official OpenStack projects if there will be someone to answer the hard questions.16:37
csatari:)16:37
ildikovkmARC: vkmc ^^16:38
berendtuehtesham90__ we are running a meeting here at the moment16:38
uehtesham90__berendt: ok thank you. ill ask there16:38
ildikovcsatari: cool, add your name to that one please16:38
ildikovcsatari: also we can catch up before the training to ensure you're comfortable with the content16:38
ildikovalso does anyone has any comments on the current order of items in the agenda?16:39
mrmartinwhen will we meet on Sunday?16:39
kmARCildikov, you mean write it in the etherpad?16:39
csatariildikov> okay16:39
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ildikovthe training starts at 1pm, so we can meet around 11am or 11:30am the latest16:39
mrmartinok.16:39
ildikovI think the conference centre is next to shopping mall, so I would guess we can get some lunch there16:40
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* kmARC realized that sunday is just a half day (wtf)16:40
ildikovthose who can attend on Sunday, do you have any preference regarding the time to meet?16:40
ildikovkmARC: yeap, it is16:40
berendtshopping malls are normally closed on sundays16:41
ildikovberendt: hmm, not good news16:41
ildikovberendt: I'll check what else is around16:41
berendtat least in Germany they do close on Sunday, not 100% sure how it is in Spain16:42
ildikovI'll add a time and meeting spot to the etherpad and also send out and we can then figure out where to go16:42
kmARCSpain? Then it's not even open until like 9PM :-D16:42
csatariildikov> 11 is OK for me. We can check the material then.16:42
ildikovberendt: they're now open in Hungary, I haven't check Spain yet, but will do!16:42
ildikovcsatari: ok, cool!16:43
berendtthat's cool16:43
ildikovwe might meet in front of the Hilton and then figure out16:43
csatariok16:44
ildikovback to the training a bit16:44
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ildikovthe concept of this one is more to let people figure out where they find info and how to communicate16:44
ildikovthey can practice communication within the groups and between the groups too16:45
ildikovit is also a target not to have longer blocks than 45 minutes16:46
ildikovto ensure that people can concentrate and we give them shorter/longer breaks after which they can go back and learn smth new16:46
ildikovso those of you who're presenting please keep this in mind16:46
ianychoiQuestion: when will students start to use IRC during upstream training? They all may have prepared IRC client installation?16:47
ildikovthose of you who're not on stage please circulate within the room and help those groups/students who need it16:47
ianychoiIt would a sad news: I tested max. connection for web freenode and it was 5: http://docs.openstack.org/upstream-training/intro-introduction.html#616:48
ildikovianychoi: the full env contains a client, until that point they can either use webchat or if they have already their own than that one16:48
ildikovthe idea was to point them to the channel as early as possible16:48
ildikovto give a chance to communicate to those too, who're not comfortable with speaking up16:48
ianychoiildikov, yep what I want to share is that web freenode max connection is just five..16:49
kmARCyeah, worst case we ask them to immediately boot up the vm, since then in like 2 minutes they are in this channel16:49
kmARC(everythong configured)16:49
ianychoiMore than 5 connection in one place (upstream training room) would not be supported using web irc16:49
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berendti think it is not a big deal to install an IRC client..?16:49
ildikovah, good point16:49
mrmartinirc client and nickserv registration16:50
berendtmrmartin you do not need to register your nick,16:50
ildikovthen we might move starting the VM to an earlier point16:50
ianychoiberendt, I think so. Encouraging students to follow http://docs.openstack.org/upstream-training/irc.html would be nice16:50
mrmartinberendt but it is better to do it16:51
ianychoi#link http://docs.openstack.org/upstream-training/irc.html16:51
ianychoiIt explains all the things including nick registration :)16:51
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ildikovianychoi: mrmartin: they can get it as homework to do it :)16:52
ianychoiAlso, hexchat is compatible with Windows environment (I am using it now!)16:52
ildikovif we would run out of time, which we most probably will16:52
ianychoiildikov, yep hope that all students have completed homework16:52
ildikovas we have material to point people to, I'm not worried if we cannot complete everything during the training16:53
ianychoi(But in reality, some students may not have finished homework with various reasons...)16:53
ildikovit is also important that we should share mostly that info especially in deeper details that they will need now in order to be able to start16:53
ildikovif they continue with OpenStack the rest they will learn as they go16:54
ianychoi+116:54
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ianychoiAgree :)16:54
ildikovwe need to teach them to find info and solve problems by themselves and also to ask for help when they can't16:54
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berendtyes i think this is the most important point16:55
ildikovyeap and it's quite tough as well16:55
ildikovbut we will collect feedback during and after the training, so hopefully we will improve too as we go :)16:56
ildikovplease check the exercises in the slides and reach out if you don't get what the task is exactly or what's the purpose behind it16:57
ildikovwe're lacking some presenter notes, hopefully we will catch up on that for the next training16:58
ildikovdoes any of you have any questions?16:58
vkmcyes16:58
ildikovvkmc: shoot :)16:58
vkmcusually in previously upstream trainings we encouraged them to look easy bugs to solve and to work on those16:58
vkmcare we doing the same this time?16:59
ildikovvkmc: no16:59
vkmcall right16:59
ildikovwe will advertise them the mentoring program during the training16:59
vkmcgreat16:59
vkmc:)16:59
ildikovplease use the opportunity to that whenever/wherever you can!16:59
vkmcwill do16:59
ildikovvkmc: tnx! I also meant everyone, I was sure you will :)17:00
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ildikovthe low hanging fruit bug fixing activity fits way better with the mentoring program17:00
ildikovso we try to shoot short term success for the training17:00
ildikovlike learn how to run the tests locally, what to do if a test fails, etc.17:01
ildikovso things that can be completed during the training17:01
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ianychoiberendt, I have a question on your docs session (may be on Monday?) Would you also cover tox execution to check doc build?17:02
berendtianychoi yes17:02
ianychoiberendt, oh nice. I have thought it would be so helpful to students but training-guides team has not updated slides yet17:02
berendti want to give a short overview where to find our repos, the rendered docs, .. and will continue with the contributor guide and the common workflow17:02
berendtianychoi i will prepare the docs deep dive on Saturday17:03
ianychoiberendt, good! thank you :)17:03
berendtianychoi drop me a mail when you want to see further topics17:03
ildikovhopefully I'll have +2 rights by Saturday, so we can merge the content when it's considered to be ready :)17:03
ianychoiberendt, yep :)17:04
berendtianychoi if not i will +A myself ;)17:04
ianychoiberendt, I will also keep my eye on training-guides repo17:04
ildikovberendt: haha right, you have rights there too, cool! :)17:04
mrmartinI can help in the merge if required17:04
ildikovmrmartin: just not while you're driving please ;)17:04
mrmartinI promise17:05
ildikovcool! :)17:05
berendtmrmartin you will go to Barcelona by car?17:05
mrmartinhehe17:05
mrmartinwith kmArc17:05
ianychoiWow driving....!17:05
mrmartin2000km from here17:05
ianychoiHow long would it take?17:05
berendtroad trip.. only for the young guys ;)17:06
mrmartinwe are young guys17:06
mrmartinbut it is not meeting topic17:06
mrmartin20-24 hours maybe17:06
ildikovlol :)17:06
ianychoilol!17:06
csatariildikov> Malls are closed on Sundays.17:06
ildikovcsatari: tnx for checking!17:06
ianychoiI had one experience to drive 1000km for two days.. wow17:07
ildikovcsatari: I'll look around for options17:07
ildikovany further questions?17:08
ildikovdo you need any further details on any parts?17:08
vkmcnothing else from me :)17:09
ildikovcool :)17:10
vkmcI'll check the material for the coding contributions and tooling parts17:10
ianychoinope from me. Thank you for all! Hope to make successful upstream training, although I will still be in Korea.. (I will stay in only Friday unfortunately)17:10
ildikovthose of you who can make it on Sunday, let's meet at 11am in front of the Hilton17:10
vkmcetherpad reads updated, but I'll check anyways17:10
ildikovvkmc: you can check the web page and the open reviews17:11
vkmcildikov, k, cool17:11
ildikov#link http://docs.openstack.org/upstream-training/17:11
ildikov#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/training-guides17:11
ildikovwe have only a few open reviews at this point17:11
berendti have to leave, have a safe trip to Barcelona and see you all next week17:11
vkmcgreat17:12
ildikovberendt: thanks! safe travels!17:12
xyangildikov: for those who will only be there on Monday, we'll just show up in the training room at 9:00am or before that?17:12
vkmcdidn't know about the content for upstream training being tracked there... sorry for that17:12
vkmcsafe travels everyone, looking forward to meet you in BCN17:12
ildikovxyang: we plan to try to get there around 8:30am if anyone has issues with their VM/environment17:13
xyangok, thanks17:13
ildikovxyang: also if you would like to catch up before the training we can agree on meeting earlier anyway17:14
xyangildikov: sure, I'll let you know after I go thru the training materials17:14
ildikovxyang: I'll surely be around17:14
ildikovxyang: great, thank you17:14
xyangildikov: thanks17:15
ildikovxyang: feel free to ping me any time if you have any questions17:15
xyangildikov: will do17:15
ildikovxyang: also if you have ideas for the code deep dive part for instance please share :)17:15
xyangildikov: sure17:15
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ildikovgreat, tnx!17:16
ildikovok, if there are no more questions for today then I think we can close this meeting17:16
ildikovplease update the etherpad with adding your names to the topics you would like to present17:17
vkmc+117:17
ildikovif any17:17
vkmcthanks everybody17:17
xyangthanks17:17
ildikovand big thanks to everyone for helping out!!!17:17
ildikovsafe travels and see you in Barcelona!17:17
mrmartinthnx17:17
mrmartinendmeeting?17:18
ildikov#endmeeting17:18
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