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| openstackgerrit | Sagi Shnaidman proposed openstack/ansible-collections-openstack master: Convert os_server_info to use OpenStackModule https://review.opendev.org/721580 | 11:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | amolkahat proposed openstack/ansible-collections-openstack master: if any changes has been made to the os_router then it was deleting the interfaces. It causes the module failure. https://review.opendev.org/721591 | 12:17 |
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| dtantsur | do we have a meeting today or does it happen once in two weeks? | 14:57 |
| sshnaidm | dtantsur, we do | 14:59 |
| sshnaidm | I have a few topics to talk.. | 15:00 |
| sshnaidm | #startmeeting ansible-sig | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 21 15:00:14 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sshnaidm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ansible_sig' | 15:00 |
| sshnaidm | #https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/openstack-ansible-modules | 15:00 |
| sshnaidm | topic agenda ^^ | 15:00 |
| sshnaidm | dtantsur, mordred odyssey4me gtema mnaser jrosser and everybody who is interested | 15:01 |
| sshnaidm | who is available today? | 15:01 |
| * mordred waves | 15:01 | |
| gtema | me strugling with trailing with witespaces | 15:02 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 15:02 |
| mordred | gtema: sed -i 's/ *$//' | 15:03 |
| * odyssey4me waves | 15:03 | |
| sshnaidm | gtema, I'm sure you're winning this battle :) | 15:03 |
| jrosser | hello | 15:03 |
| sshnaidm | ok, let's start then | 15:03 |
| sshnaidm | first question about modules bugs and issues: Openstack Ansible modules bugs and issues - where to submit, how to document it (LP, Github, BZ, Jira, ...) | 15:04 |
| sshnaidm | I saw people still submit issues in Ansible repo for our modules | 15:04 |
| sshnaidm | I think we need to make it more visible where to submit bugs, and decide what to use for it | 15:04 |
| odyssey4me | it'll happen until collections become more of a thing, I imagine | 15:04 |
| mordred | yeah - I think it's unavoidable for them to be in ansible/ansible github for now - since that's what most people use | 15:05 |
| sshnaidm | iirc we talked about storyboard before | 15:05 |
| mordred | yeah - that's where sdk bugs are - so for things that target both things it would make the most sense to go there | 15:05 |
| sshnaidm | although I expect issues to be opened in github repo of modules :) | 15:06 |
| mordred | I agree - but I think that'll get better once people are using the collection | 15:06 |
| mordred | that's gonna be a problem for all of the split collections :) | 15:06 |
| sshnaidm | yeah | 15:07 |
| sshnaidm | I'm fine to try storyboard for that, just need to document it in the repo. Any objections or other suggestions? | 15:07 |
| dtantsur | no objections | 15:07 |
| odyssey4me | no objections here | 15:07 |
| sshnaidm | then I'll go over all issues with some message where to open them | 15:07 |
| sshnaidm | I think you need ubuntu login for storyboard, right? | 15:07 |
| mordred | yeah - at least for now (one day we will fix that) | 15:08 |
| sshnaidm | and no need to sign ICL or kind of | 15:08 |
| mordred | nope | 15:08 |
| sshnaidm | mordred, yeah, would be great to login with github | 15:08 |
| mordred | I wonder if ansibullbot could learn about location of issue tracker for things that moved so it could leave a comment | 15:08 |
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| dtantsur | automating it would be awesome | 15:09 |
| sshnaidm | mordred, right, will ask on ansible channel | 15:09 |
| sshnaidm | this would be great | 15:09 |
| mordred | sshnaidm: seems liek a thing that isn't just us - even if a lot of the split collections are just in another gh project | 15:09 |
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| sshnaidm | #action sshnaidm to discover if ansibullbot can post new location of collection in issues | 15:10 |
| sshnaidm | mordred, yeah, totally | 15:10 |
| sshnaidm | anyway they'll need to clean this pipeline of issues | 15:10 |
| mordred | although - I suppose it's harder for issue than for PRs | 15:10 |
| mordred | since they can't exactly do path matching | 15:10 |
| mordred | I don't envy that task :) | 15:11 |
| sshnaidm | mordred, I think I handled all PRs before, posted there info | 15:11 |
| sshnaidm | need to check if there are new ones maybe.. | 15:11 |
| sshnaidm | actually github allows search by "openstack" keyword, so it's ok | 15:12 |
| mordred | ah - cool. | 15:12 |
| sshnaidm | ok, moving on | 15:12 |
| sshnaidm | PTG session - when and how, preparing an etherpad | 15:12 |
| sshnaidm | we are going to do a virtual one as you know | 15:12 |
| sshnaidm | and I hope more people will attend than in usual one | 15:13 |
| gtema | gimme etherpad link | 15:13 |
| sshnaidm | #action sshnaidm to create an etherpad for modules PTG | 15:13 |
| sshnaidm | gtema, ^^ :) | 15:13 |
| gtema | :D | 15:13 |
| sshnaidm | mordred, so, are we going to have a modules section in SDK sessions as we talked before? | 15:14 |
| sshnaidm | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/openstack-ansible-modules-ptg | 15:14 |
| sshnaidm | gtema, ^ | 15:14 |
| sshnaidm | so please feel free to add topics to discuss, it will help to determine the scope and time needed for us | 15:15 |
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| sshnaidm | any ideas or special requests for PTG session of modules? | 15:17 |
| dtantsur | funny hats? | 15:17 |
| sshnaidm | dtantsur, which color? :) | 15:17 |
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| dtantsur | :D | 15:17 |
| dtantsur | sshnaidm: let's have a preliminary bike shedding call! \o/ | 15:17 |
| sshnaidm | dtantsur, no objections :) | 15:18 |
| gtema | shedding or schredding? | 15:19 |
| sshnaidm | would be openstack-ansible team interested to participate and discuss? mnaser jrosser noonedeadpunk | 15:19 |
| sshnaidm | if so, please add your questions as well: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/openstack-ansible-modules-ptg | 15:19 |
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| sshnaidm | noonedeadpunk, we are planning ptg session for openstack ansible modules | 15:20 |
| noonedeadpunk | I think that might be interesting | 15:20 |
| noonedeadpunk | I think jrosser already did some dnm patch to use collections | 15:20 |
| sshnaidm | noonedeadpunk, great, feel free to sign in | 15:20 |
| sshnaidm | ok, while waiting for mordred to confirm about a session | 15:21 |
| jrosser | yes I have some wip patches for OSA | 15:21 |
| sshnaidm | jrosser, using openstack ansible collection? | 15:21 |
| sshnaidm | would be interesting to look at | 15:22 |
| sshnaidm | ok, moving on | 15:23 |
| gtema | wait, someone did/will fill in https://openstackfoundation.formstack.com/forms/june2020_virtual_ptg_survey? | 15:23 |
| jrosser | my computer is just sulking, I’ll drop a link here when I can | 15:23 |
| sshnaidm | gtema, hmm.. not sure what it is | 15:24 |
| sshnaidm | gtema, is it for projects..? | 15:24 |
| mordred | gtema: oh - poo, no I haven't. I filled out the original in-person one | 15:24 |
| gtema | well, afaiu it is to schedule a slot itself | 15:24 |
| mordred | sshnaidm: you want to fill that out? | 15:24 |
| gtema | https://ethercalc.openstack.org/126u8ek25noy | 15:24 |
| noonedeadpunk | sshnaidm: https://review.opendev.org/#/q/topic:osa-collections+(status:open+OR+status:merged) | 15:24 |
| sshnaidm | mordred, yeah, np | 15:24 |
| gtema | were some mails from Kendal | 15:24 |
| sshnaidm | mordred, but do we need it if we have it in scope of sdk? | 15:25 |
| mordred | sshnaidm: lemme dig in | 15:25 |
| mordred | and I'll let you know :) | 15:25 |
| sshnaidm | mordred, yeah, tell me if I need to fill something | 15:25 |
| jrosser | https://review.opendev.org/#/q/topic:osa-collections | 15:25 |
| sshnaidm | jrosser, thanks | 15:26 |
| sshnaidm | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/q/topic:osa-collections | 15:26 |
| sshnaidm | ok, we'll handle ptg times with mordred, hope to choose the convenient hours for all :) | 15:27 |
| sshnaidm | moving on | 15:27 |
| sshnaidm | Releasing first version - ? | 15:28 |
| gtema | we didn't already??????? | 15:28 |
| sshnaidm | afaik no, only if mordred did.. ? | 15:28 |
| gtema | it was ironic (not baremetal) | 15:28 |
| mnaser | sorry i got disconnected | 15:29 |
| sshnaidm | #link https://galaxy.ansible.com/openstack/cloud | 15:29 |
| sshnaidm | mnaser, if you're interested in openstack ansible modules PTG session, please add topics: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/openstack-ansible-modules-ptg | 15:30 |
| mordred | sshnaidm: yeah - sorry - I meant to get up the rename patch last week | 15:30 |
| mordred | I think we got the list of renames collected that people like though | 15:30 |
| sshnaidm | mordred, do you want to do it after renaming? I'm not sure ansible merged their routing functionality yet.. | 15:31 |
| sshnaidm | mordred, maybe we can release version 1 manually first time, I don't expect any problems with it | 15:32 |
| sshnaidm | "what can go wrong?" (c) | 15:32 |
| mordred | hahaha | 15:33 |
| mordred | I think we can actually probably do it either way - we'll use symlinks and routing and stuff to make the old names work still | 15:34 |
| sshnaidm | mordred, yeah, and we can add deprecate messages if people use old names | 15:34 |
| mordred | lemme play a little this afternoon and see how bad it is - if it works ok - then yeah, maybe we go ahead and cut a 1.0 as it is now | 15:34 |
| mordred | yeah | 15:34 |
| * sshnaidm learnt how to do it | 15:34 | |
| mordred | cool | 15:35 |
| sshnaidm | great | 15:35 |
| sshnaidm | ok, moving on | 15:35 |
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| sshnaidm | Openstack module class - whether we go with it and how to handle authorization better | 15:35 |
| mordred | I like your patch! | 15:35 |
| mordred | I think it makes things nicer | 15:35 |
| gtema | I am all for this generalization, and I want to implement tagging on top of it | 15:35 |
| sshnaidm | yeah, I have a patch to use it for another module https://review.opendev.org/#/c/721580/ | 15:36 |
| sshnaidm | gtema, that would be great | 15:36 |
| gtema | and wrt this patch, do we really want "from .. import" | 15:36 |
| gtema | I was newer fan of those | 15:36 |
| mordred | oh - and I see your deprecae message! | 15:36 |
| sshnaidm | gtema, yeah, tried it as I saw somewhere in ansible people use it | 15:37 |
| sshnaidm | gtema, I'm not sure it's the best solution though, but kind of simplifying things | 15:37 |
| mordred | yeah - I'm also not a fan - I think it's less readable personally | 15:37 |
| gtema | I know it works, but I do not like it - it is so hard to get where you are | 15:37 |
| mordred | yeah | 15:37 |
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| sshnaidm | ok, not objections to remove it | 15:37 |
| mordred | cool | 15:37 |
| sshnaidm | mostly added it because it gives a better autocomplete in ide :D | 15:38 |
| sshnaidm | so, I'd encourage people to add things more to OpenstackModule class if you see something common in modules | 15:38 |
| mordred | ++ | 15:39 |
| gtema | they all have this stuff in common, so I see nothing blocking to move them all, it's just a big change | 15:39 |
| mordred | I think there's probably more than one thing we can clean up | 15:39 |
| gtema | and people hate me for that | 15:39 |
| mordred | gtema: we love your big changes!@ | 15:40 |
| sshnaidm | gtema, we can do it module by module | 15:40 |
| gtema | oh thank you guys | 15:40 |
| gtema | you pleased my day | 15:40 |
| gtema | where adding in downstream one service in SDK and OSC is generating +4k lines in one day | 15:40 |
| sshnaidm | downstream SDK? | 15:41 |
| gtema | yupp, we have that as well | 15:41 |
| sshnaidm | nice | 15:41 |
| gtema | an extensions for the public clouds, with services not part of vanilla | 15:41 |
| gtema | or behaving stupidly different | 15:42 |
| sshnaidm | I see, so modules can behave different as well? | 15:42 |
| gtema | sure, if cloud does not offer Octavia, but decides to live further with Neutron LB | 15:43 |
| gtema | there is no other way around | 15:43 |
| sshnaidm | right | 15:43 |
| gtema | and other fun stuff (i.e. in the volume backup the snapshot is mandatory) | 15:43 |
| sshnaidm | ok, so any other topics to talk? | 15:44 |
| sshnaidm | any ideas for improvement | 15:45 |
| sshnaidm | complaints | 15:45 |
| gtema | btw question to the round: how many public clouds are there in the wild without shared SNAT? | 15:45 |
| mordred | gtema: what do you mean? | 15:45 |
| gtema | my one is willing to deprecate it and I am fighting with all possible ways | 15:45 |
| gtema | external_router | 15:45 |
| mordred | so - they want to have floating ips but they want to make each project set up something themselves? | 15:46 |
| gtema | or it is called external_gateway | 15:46 |
| mordred | sorry - I'm still coffeeing and am a little slow | 15:46 |
| gtema | nope, it's to give VM access to internet without FIP | 15:46 |
| gtema | shared_snat as prop on the router | 15:46 |
| mordred | ah - nod | 15:46 |
| sshnaidm | gtema, so dhcp just allocates external IP | 15:46 |
| mordred | access to internet without fip is important | 15:46 |
| gtema | well, even that is not really fitting - in the backend they all get router somehow through a set of public IPS | 15:47 |
| mordred | otherwise vms can't do things like "apt-get install" | 15:47 |
| mordred | (for vms that are intended to otherwise be private) | 15:47 |
| gtema | I know it is important, but not sure this is used by lots of installations | 15:47 |
| mordred | I'm pretty sure it works on every cloud out there | 15:48 |
| gtema | unfortunately is not enforced in RefStacl either | 15:48 |
| gtema | RefStack | 15:48 |
| sshnaidm | gtema, we use it in 3party jobs | 15:48 |
| mordred | well - nothing about sane networking is enforced in refstack | 15:48 |
| dtantsur | who would need sane networking? | 15:48 |
| mordred | but yeah - I'm pretty sure I know of _no_ clouds that make you get a FIP to get outbound network access | 15:48 |
| dtantsur | stay at home with your filthy packages! | 15:49 |
| mordred | gtema: so I'd actually argue that literally every FIP-using cloud I'm aware of works this way | 15:49 |
| gtema | you can deploy an analog of AWS NAT instance gateway | 15:49 |
| mordred | I don't know what that is - I don't work on AWS | 15:49 |
| gtema | and do "manual" routing/SNATting | 15:49 |
| mordred | that sounds very stupid | 15:49 |
| dtantsur | requiring a FIP for outbound access does sound evil to me | 15:49 |
| gtema | me neither, just know they do it this way | 15:49 |
| dtantsur | double-stupid if you have quotas for FIPs | 15:49 |
| mordred | yup | 15:49 |
| gtema | of course you do :D | 15:49 |
| mordred | in fact - we have clouds we use where we're only getting IPv6 addresses on the nodes | 15:50 |
| mordred | and they use a shared SNAT to get outbound access to ipv4 even | 15:50 |
| gtema | hehehehe, we wait for IPv6 for some years still | 15:50 |
| mordred | clouds without ipv6 are so broken | 15:51 |
| dtantsur | ++ | 15:51 |
| mordred | it's 2020 | 15:51 |
| dtantsur | c'mon, it's Germany, we have a good proportion of IPv6 support here | 15:51 |
| gtema | oh yeah, life is at all so broken | 15:51 |
| mordred | all of the crazy nat brokeness goes away when you just go ipv6 | 15:51 |
| mordred | like - NAT in clouds only exists for historical reasons | 15:51 |
| mordred | it's not a good design | 15:51 |
| gtema | guys, you know whom I am talking about - I can not do much against | 15:51 |
| mordred | it's just necessary when the cloud is broken because it doesn't have v6 | 15:51 |
| sshnaidm | dtantsur, lucky, we don't have even one ISP providing ipv6 | 15:51 |
| mordred | gtema: I do - they're obsessed with chasing AWS decisions, even when they're bad, and even when AWS would tell you that they're bad | 15:52 |
| dtantsur | sshnaidm: Oo | 15:52 |
| gtema | I would have told you lots of new stories if we would have meet in person | 15:52 |
| dtantsur | sigh | 15:52 |
| dtantsur | we need a drink-and-tell call after the PTG | 15:53 |
| gtema | unfortunately virtually would be quite hard | 15:53 |
| sshnaidm | dtantsur, add this to etherpad :) | 15:53 |
| dtantsur | added | 15:53 |
| gtema | cool | 15:53 |
| sshnaidm | I never drank virtually, but I've heard people do it and even for money.. | 15:54 |
| dtantsur | wait, I could earn money all this time??? | 15:54 |
| sshnaidm | dtantsur, a lot of opportunities! | 15:54 |
| gtema | you could have done this, but it is perhaps too late | 15:54 |
| sshnaidm | ok, let's end the meeting | 15:55 |
| sshnaidm | #endmeeting | 15:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 21 15:55:16 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ansible_sig/2020/ansible_sig.2020-04-21-15.00.html | 15:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ansible_sig/2020/ansible_sig.2020-04-21-15.00.txt | 15:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ansible_sig/2020/ansible_sig.2020-04-21-15.00.log.html | 15:55 |
| sshnaidm | we can still discuss tricks and best attitudes for virtual drinking | 15:55 |
| sshnaidm | actually it might be a thing for this ptg | 15:55 |
| dtantsur | funny hats, fancy drinks, ridiculous stories | 15:56 |
| gtema | so, how much beer does everyone need to get (and cool down) before the PTG? | 15:56 |
| dtantsur | highly depends on personal consumption ;) | 15:56 |
| sshnaidm | people in beerful countries should help their colleagues | 15:57 |
| gtema | assuming we are virtually at the same place people tend to consume similar amount | 15:57 |
| gtema | DHL suchs nowadays sshnaidm | 15:57 |
| gtema | sucks | 15:57 |
| gtema | but I assume you can get enough as well | 15:57 |
| dtantsur | every place has a sort of beer, the difference is how much vodka you have to consume upfront to make it taste acceptable | 15:58 |
| * sshnaidm miss Denvers beers | 15:59 | |
| gtema | oh come on dtantsur, there are not that much places, where you need so much vodka upfront (excluding your and my roots) | 15:59 |
| gtema | oh Denver, we miss you so | 15:59 |
| dtantsur | +++ | 15:59 |
| sshnaidm | maybe in Nov, in Berlin ptg | 16:00 |
| sshnaidm | if things will calm down | 16:00 |
| dtantsur | sshnaidm: I highly doubt it will happen :( | 16:00 |
| gtema | that is mandatory, assuming it will go it's way | 16:00 |
| dtantsur | Octoberfest has been cancelled | 16:00 |
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| sshnaidm | dtantsur, really?? | 16:00 |
| dtantsur | just imagine | 16:00 |
| gtema | yeah, it is a bit bigger, than our Summit | 16:01 |
| gtema | and later | 16:01 |
| gtema | and not in Bavaria (they are a bit weird there) | 16:01 |
| sshnaidm | do they make virtual octoberfest? :) | 16:01 |
| dtantsur | :D | 16:01 |
| gtema | with tickets reservation for 100€ | 16:02 |
| dtantsur | I don't believe any event of such scale will happen until a reliable treatment is found | 16:02 |
| dtantsur | which likely means a vaccine. which likely means spring 2021 :( | 16:02 |
| gtema | dtantsur: we organize inofficial European SDK/Ansible/OSC stuff | 16:03 |
| dtantsur | that can be a compromise | 16:03 |
| sshnaidm | gtema, what is it? | 16:03 |
| gtema | we can arrange (I would hope) a place on the DeutcheTelekom resources for real small event | 16:04 |
| sshnaidm | oh, in person? | 16:04 |
| gtema | yupp | 16:04 |
| gtema | important travel restrictions are releaved | 16:04 |
| gtema | relieved | 16:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Sagi Shnaidman proposed openstack/ansible-collections-openstack master: Convert os_server_info to use OpenStackModule https://review.opendev.org/721580 | 16:08 |
| sshnaidm | removed relative import ^^ | 16:09 |
| gtema | cool, thks | 16:09 |
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