Sunday, 2016-11-13

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openstackgerritLogan V proposed openstack/openstack-ansible-os_nova: Fix qemu_conf_dict not defined  https://review.openstack.org/39690601:05
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jmccrorylogan- : does local just need to be added here? https://github.com/ansible/ansible-modules-core/blob/devel/cloud/openstack/os_network.py#L17201:15
logan-I think so yeah01:15
jmccroryhmm that's dumb01:15
logan-yeah :( frustrating cause who knows how long it will take to get that fix merged01:17
jmccroryah ok just saw you have a bug open already...yeah, ansible seems depressing slow on that front01:18
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cloudnullevenings05:35
cloudnulldrifterza: im around now?05:35
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openstackgerritPraveen N proposed openstack/openstack-ansible: corrected neutron_*_git_project_group to neutron_all to fix the repo build process neutron_dynamic_routing.  https://review.openstack.org/39692107:25
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-ansible-plugins: Revert "Remove neutron library"  https://review.openstack.org/39689414:03
openstackgerritPraveen N proposed openstack/openstack-ansible: Ensure all neutron optional packages always build  https://review.openstack.org/39692114:05
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openstackgerritKyle L. Henderson proposed openstack/openstack-ansible: Fix multi arch repo-build  https://review.openstack.org/39693414:21
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drifterzacloudnull, you there ?16:18
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cloudnulldrifterza: i am now, for a min16:34
cloudnullhows it ?16:34
drifterzagood and you ?16:35
drifterzasee you been doing some home improvements ;)16:35
cloudnullI have been :)16:35
cloudnullbusy weekend16:35
drifterzahehe16:35
drifterzaWould like to chat to you about your ipv6 OSIC setup16:36
cloudnullsure16:36
drifterzaI have a /36 ipv6 address space16:36
cloudnullone sec, switching networks.16:36
drifterzak16:36
cloudnullback16:37
cloudnullso IPv6 all the things yea?16:37
cloudnull:)16:37
drifterzawell yeah16:38
drifterzaI don't care so much about the internal network, that can be an internal ipv4 range.16:39
drifterzabut for all instances/containers ipv616:39
drifterzaipv6 do I need vlans or should it be flat ?16:39
drifterzaI don't see the point of vlans on ipv6 honestly16:40
drifterzaeven more headers16:40
drifterzado you have some sort of Doc for how you guys did it ?16:40
cloudnullWe used v6 w/ vlans16:41
cloudnulland we did that because we have multiple provider networks16:41
cloudnulland we want some isolation between the instance even if the links are al over the same fabric16:41
drifterzausing linuxbridge or ovs ?16:42
cloudnulllinuxbridge16:42
cloudnullthe v6 network is a provider netwrok that is dual stack.16:42
drifterzausing bgp agent ?16:42
cloudnullno16:42
drifterzahow are you advertising your ASN's then16:42
cloudnullv4 is sadly still needed because metadata cant use a v6 only network.16:42
cloudnullwe have that all going back to the aggrs.16:43
drifterzayeah v4 internal address rfc1918 should be fine for metadata16:43
cloudnullto make the v4 network usabe we have that plugged into a neutron router16:43
drifterzado you have dedicated network nodes then ?16:43
cloudnullI do16:43
cloudnull3 of them16:44
drifterzametal ?16:44
cloudnullno16:44
cloudnullthe neutron server and agent run in contianers on the hosts.16:44
drifterzaand its handling fine ?16:44
cloudnullso far so good.16:44
cloudnullwe had that issue w/ macs rotating16:44
cloudnullbut we've fixed that16:44
drifterzahow many provider networks then16:44
cloudnullhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/387517/16:45
drifterzaDo I need a shared ipv6 space for routing then16:45
cloudnullwe have two provider networks for the cloud GATEWAY_NET_V6 and GATEWAY_NET (this is a public /24).16:45
cloudnullsoon we'll have BAREMETAL_NET.16:45
drifterzayou dont have a doc I could peruse ?16:46
cloudnullso not many provider networks overall.16:46
cloudnullsadly not really.16:46
drifterzai've read this http://docs.openstack.org/newton/networking-guide/config-ipv6.html16:46
cloudnullhttps://gist.github.com/cloudnull/4e34276a8e690fb54146d03a73ec44b416:46
cloudnullthat's the neutron commands I ran to create the V6 network16:47
drifterzahmm16:47
drifterzai've read debug-all.coms stuff aswell16:48
drifterzaand I have to get designate working with ipv616:49
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cloudnullthis is the actual running config if you're interested. http://cdn.pasteraw.com/3qv2y4kdes2mq1thpdgkzofr59m21yb16:50
drifterzaaah16:51
drifterzayou use stateless16:51
drifterzanot slaac16:51
cloudnullyes.16:51
cloudnullwhile very handwavy, that's all taken care of at the aggrs.16:52
drifterzaI'll probably make use of the bgp plugin to our aggrs16:53
cloudnullwe simply trunked the vlans, created the networks within neutron, and call our netsec people to do the needful and voila!16:53
drifterzayeah its the netsec part that worries me16:53
cloudnullthe fun part here is that we did our deployment in liberty.16:54
drifterzaits alot easier if we advertise our routes using bgp16:54
cloudnullthe BGP plugin wouldve been a great way to go about it16:54
drifterzayeah it seems stable in newton16:54
cloudnullwe're in mitaka now.16:55
cloudnullso maybe we'll revise things in Newton16:55
cloudnullwe're sticking to OSA without modification.16:55
cloudnullwhich has been great, but there are some things I wish I could pull into mitaka that are newton exclusive.16:56
drifterzayeah16:56
drifterzaFortunately I'm deploying this week with newton16:56
cloudnullnice!16:56
drifterzagreenfields16:56
cloudnullall the new toys.16:56
drifterzaso I'm thinking ipv6 is the way to go16:56
cloudnull++16:56
drifterzaI worry about latency differences between the two protocols16:57
cloudnullits simple and if you have native v6 to your workstation there's really no loss.16:57
drifterzaAlso NAT instances I would love to avoid16:57
drifterzaI don't want to dedicate network nodes16:57
drifterzato deal with tht16:57
cloudnull++ that's kinda miserable.16:57
cloudnullwe've not had many issues with the neutron router.16:57
drifterzaLuckily its not for public cloud, its more internal workloads, 500-2000 instances16:58
cloudnullfor the most part it just works-tm16:58
cloudnullbut if NAT can be avoided it should be16:58
drifterzaI hope sahara is okay with ipv616:59
cloudnullI assume it should be ?16:59
drifterzait should be tho16:59
cloudnullits just wrapping heat and doing things with call backs and metadata right?16:59
drifterzayeah16:59
cloudnullso assuming the callbacks have a route it should be fine16:59
drifterzaI'm thinking the internval v4 should be fine for that16:59
cloudnullyea16:59
drifterzano plans for metadata to use ipv6 yet right?17:00
cloudnulli think they have plans for it17:01
cloudnullthr appipa adress tomfooliery will need to be worked out.17:01
drifterzahow you managing dns mappings ?17:02
drifterzaor dont you use dns for now17:02
cloudnullwe dont.17:02
cloudnullno designate in the osic17:02
cloudnullgoogle dns or it didn't happen for now.17:03
cloudnull:)17:03
drifterzayeh I'm thinking of putting designate in17:03
drifterzaI have so little time though17:03
cloudnullI think that'd be awesome!17:03
cloudnullthough I've no real experience with designate.17:03
drifterzalearn as we go hey, no one has the time to get familiar with all the big tent stuff17:04
cloudnullodyssey4me and i think jmccrory have done some things with it.17:04
cloudnullright now my life is Ironic.17:04
cloudnullwe're deploying a second region w/ ironic17:04
drifterzayeah I have to do Ironic soon17:05
drifterzawith trove being the biggest consumer17:05
cloudnullIronic, its a trainwreck. welcome :)17:05
drifterzadbaas needs metal, its very hungry17:05
drifterzayeah i've heard17:06
cloudnullits really not all that bad.17:06
drifterzadude its alot better than a year ago17:06
drifterzajeeze it was hairy17:06
cloudnullbut the network restrictions are tough, assuming you dont have gear that supports tenant isolation.17:06
cloudnulland the inability to do intellegent partitioning is frustrating.17:07
cloudnulland bonding.17:07
drifterzaI really dont see what performance value metal vs lxd is. if you really think about it lxd gives you about 98% of baremetal17:08
cloudnullIMHO, if you can get away with LXD you should do that.17:08
drifterzayeah its just windows stuff that gets abit hairy17:08
drifterzaI'm thinking day 1, nova-lxd17:09
drifterza98% of the workloads are linux17:09
drifterzaso I should be safe there17:09
cloudnulltrove + LXD, with actual tenant isolation.17:09
cloudnullwould be powerful stuff.17:09
drifterzayeah, and with sql server getting ported to linux17:09
drifterzaits a sure win17:09
cloudnulland you wont have all the problems or limitations that come from ironic.17:10
cloudnullnot to mention the requirement to build your own deploy and user images.17:10
drifterzaI'm not keen hey, but for some reason some people want to manage metal17:10
cloudnullcobbler/ubuntu maas is a more robust solution.17:11
* cloudnull my 2cents.17:11
cloudnullIf i could give ironic a preseed or kickstart file to do the things i want, it'd be great.17:11
cloudnullbut alas, i can not.17:12
drifterzayeah I'm using ubuntu/maas for my current things17:12
logan-++ have to be able to do bonding17:12
* cloudnull i realize it's sad that I feel a preseed file is better.17:12
drifterzabut cloudnull it is ?17:12
drifterzaits just the control plane to openstack thats a nice to have with ironic17:12
cloudnullpreseed files are miserable but once you have one worked out to do the things you want it just works.17:13
cloudnulldrifterza: I'f i had PXE pass through w/ a preseed or kickstart file I could rule the world with ironic. :p17:14
cloudnullnova boot ... ## which just strats a node, PXE's and auto-configures from an ISO would be the thing of dreams.17:15
cloudnullwhich is effectively MaaS or Cobbler for that matter.17:15
drifterzaexactly17:15
drifterzaAt this point its just to get ubuntu 16.04 installed then ansible controlls the networking bonding/bridiging17:16
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cloudnull++17:16
drifterzaseems I'm going to have to learn ipv6 fast17:17
drifterzalol17:17
cloudnull:) its not so terrible.17:17
drifterzathe netsec guys laughed at me, they gave me a /36 and said its been around for 20 yrs so goodluck in implementing it17:18
cloudnullhahaha17:18
drifterza4096 /48 subnets17:18
drifterzaThats what I have to work with17:18
drifterzathats why I was hoping someone else could give me pointers17:19
cloudnullhappy to help where i can17:19
cloudnullalso a collegue of mine, jamesdenton may be of help too.17:19
drifterzathanks ;)17:19
drifterzaah james is from netsec right17:19
cloudnullnah, but he is on the RPC networking team17:19
logan-the big annoyance i have with ipv6 provider networks is the single-ip assignment. id like to see /64 prefix delegation so you could easily do ipv6 containers on the vm17:19
cloudnulllogan-: that'd be awesome17:20
drifterzalogan-, you can with prefix delegation though ?17:20
cloudnullneutron w/ prefix delegation was a little harry.17:20
cloudnullwe're not using it in the OSIC.17:20
logan-drifterza: neutron only allocates a single ipv6 ip on provider networks afaik.17:20
cloudnull^ that17:20
drifterzaim thinking with bgp peering you could peer to get delegation on aggr17:21
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logan-basically just very ipv4-y the way it is currently hacked in17:21
drifterzaso what about allocating a /64 per tenant17:24
drifterzalike a subnet pool per tenant17:24
cloudnullyou could do that, but in general a tenant can not create a "provider network".17:25
cloudnullunless you allow vlan as the tenant network type17:25
drifterzayes exactly, or even vxlan17:26
drifterzaI'm not a networking guy, but surely some of these things are possible17:26
cloudnulli guess you could use vxlan, but you may have performance issues if your nics dont  support vxlan offloading17:26
drifterzaso I was thinking linuxbridge agent and skip the OVS complexity, but now i'm not sure if theres any value in using OVS with ipv6 if DVR is not possible.17:27
cloudnullI find no value in OVS, generally.17:28
cloudnull:)17:28
* cloudnull is a hater, ignore me17:28
logan-drifterza: i don't know if you plan on using dhcpv6 with xenial guests but watch out for this if you do https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ifupdown/+bug/144771517:28
openstackLaunchpad bug 1447715 in ifupdown (Ubuntu Xenial) "dhclient -6: Can't bind to dhcp address: Cannot assign requested address" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Dan Streetman (ddstreet)17:28
drifterzaoooh17:28
drifterzaI was going to logan-17:29
logan-if you see the guests coming up without v6 addresses despite being configured for inet6 dhcp on that interface, there you go. theres a fix in isc-dhcp-client in xenial-proposed here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/isc-dhcp/+bug/163347917:30
openstackLaunchpad bug 1633479 in isc-dhcp (Ubuntu Yakkety) "dhclient does not wait for ipv6 dad (duplicate address detection)" [Medium,Fix committed]17:30
cloudnullok gotta run. bbl .17:31
drifterzathanks cloudnull17:31
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mrdaMorning OSA20:58
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-ansible-specs: Spec: Octavia  https://review.openstack.org/39220522:18
openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-ansible-security: Encrypt transmitted audit logs  https://review.openstack.org/39523022:20
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-ansible-security: Add template for audit rules  https://review.openstack.org/39578322:20
openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-ansible-security: [Docs] Audit rules  https://review.openstack.org/39578822:20
openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-ansible-security: [Docs] Configure sshd based on the RHEL 7 STIG  https://review.openstack.org/39516422:20
openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-ansible-security: Automatically remove package deps  https://review.openstack.org/39642122:21
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_tempest: Combine set_fact tasks  https://review.openstack.org/39674223:14
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-ansible: Remove duplicate horizon_enable_trove_ui  https://review.openstack.org/39689323:19
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-ansible: Add command to remove IPs from inventory  https://review.openstack.org/39037523:26
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