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| openstackgerrit | Erik Berg proposed openstack/openstack-ansible stable/rocky: How to upgrade from xenial to bionic on rocky https://review.opendev.org/710803 | 09:14 |
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| chandankumar | noonedeadpunk, Hello | 14:29 |
| chandankumar | noonedeadpunk, when we are moving c7 master jobs to c8? | 14:30 |
| noonedeadpunk | chandankumar: So I think Ussuri should become upgrade release where both centos7 and centos8 will be present | 14:33 |
| noonedeadpunk | but as for now centos8 support is not ready yet | 14:33 |
| mnaser | chandankumar, noonedeadpunk: i dont think ussuri can be the upgrade release | 14:36 |
| mnaser | rh is publishing packages only for train afaik | 14:36 |
| mnaser | c7 will not get ussuri packaging, chandankumar can confirm | 14:36 |
| chandankumar | noonedeadpunk, it is related to this patch https://review.opendev.org/713397 wheere c7 job is failing due to python3 missing | 14:36 |
| noonedeadpunk | mnaser: so they won't do centos7 for ussuri? | 14:37 |
| chandankumar | mnaser, yes c8 has usseri and rest of them has c7 | 14:37 |
| mnaser | so i think train _is_ the transition release, so we'd have to bckport centos 8 support for ussuri | 14:37 |
| chandankumar | in tripleo land, we almost moved all ussuri jobs to c8 | 14:38 |
| noonedeadpunk | hm, kinda centos8 packages have been published for train the way after it's release | 14:38 |
| noonedeadpunk | Even the way after osa release | 14:38 |
| chandankumar | noonedeadpunk, rdo team is working for c8 train, but tripleo team has not yet decided for train | 14:38 |
| noonedeadpunk | I mean that releasing c8 packages for train closer to the U release and not making c7 for U doesn't give normal upgrade for ppl | 14:40 |
| noonedeadpunk | but yeh | 14:42 |
| noonedeadpunk | that we have to backport all stuff to train which will eventually broke it at some point.... | 14:42 |
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| mnaser | chandankumar: so the ideal way would be that we have c8 support in train so that folks can upgrade during train to centos 8 | 14:48 |
| mnaser | and then upgrade to ussuri | 14:48 |
| jrosser | i was spending time on centos8 but got the point i didnt understand yum/dnf stuff and had to stop | 14:50 |
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| CeeMac | ahoy hoy | 15:12 |
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| mnaser | jrosser: i started and i keep getting carried away into things | 15:26 |
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| CeeMac | I don't suppose there is any documentation for configuring up custom container to run alongside OSA and be known in the inventory etc? | 15:31 |
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| chandankumar | jrosser, for c8, we can focus on dnf and ignore yum | 15:53 |
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| noonedeadpunk | #startmeeting openstack_ansible_meeting | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 17 16:00:26 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is noonedeadpunk. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible_meeting' | 16:00 |
| noonedeadpunk | #topic office hours | 16:00 |
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| noonedeadpunk | o/ | 16:00 |
| jrosser | o/ hello | 16:06 |
| jralbert | Hi all | 16:06 |
| jrosser | chandankumar: i still can't make dnf do what i want :) | 16:06 |
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| noonedeadpunk | So, the question raised today was if we can backport and should backport new features to previous branches | 16:10 |
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| noonedeadpunk | Since we do need to backport centos8 to train, then prohibition for smaller patches (esp non breaking and not changing defaults) looks not logic | 16:11 |
| noonedeadpunk | jrosser: I can recall you've abandoned some of such backports lately | 16:11 |
| jrosser | yes we proposed a backport for os_keystone and OIDC which we shouldnt have | 16:12 |
| noonedeadpunk | Also I think mnaser is not against of backporting patches that add new functionality to previous branches | 16:12 |
| jrosser | wrt centos 8 i'm not so sure | 16:13 |
| jrosser | *sooo* much change on master for all sorts of py3 things | 16:13 |
| jralbert | Running a somewhat older release as we do, our site would be very appreciative of backports to older but still supported releases | 16:13 |
| noonedeadpunk | I have not fixed opinion on this as from one side it's convenient to be able to use things right now, but it some sort of risk imo | 16:14 |
| guilhermesp | o/ | 16:14 |
| noonedeadpunk | jrosser: yeah, that's true... But otherwise we won't have upgrade release for centos? | 16:14 |
| jrosser | jralbert: do you mean OSA things, or openstack itself? | 16:14 |
| jralbert | OSA things particularly, although openstack features backported would be lovely in some cases | 16:15 |
| noonedeadpunk | Yeah, opensatck is pretty strict on backporting... | 16:15 |
| jrosser | ^ that | 16:15 |
| noonedeadpunk | The question is if we should stick to the same rules or we can step down from them from times to times | 16:15 |
| mnaser | So I’ll clarify | 16:16 |
| mnaser | Openstack is strict on backpprts if your project asserts that it follows the stable policy | 16:16 |
| mnaser | OSA does not actually make that assertion therefore if we were to backport a complete breaking change, it’s not nice, but it’s “okay” | 16:17 |
| jralbert | My personal view is that OSA's best value is OSA itself, and while I'd love to get later-release openstack features without an upgrade, that's not as valuable to me as fixes in OSA itself being consistent back through supported releases where possible | 16:17 |
| mnaser | I think to me my policy is: “if X can take advantage of this without them affecting any other users because the default behaviour doesn’t change” | 16:18 |
| mnaser | Then that’s ok | 16:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_placement master: Refactor memcached_servers https://review.opendev.org/713251 | 16:19 |
| mnaser | and yeah, like the oidc stuff merging is probably ok with me as long as it didn't change default behaviour | 16:19 |
| mnaser | and if it fundamentally broken then you get points to do whatever the heck you want to it :) | 16:20 |
| noonedeadpunk | Ok, so we can backport new features unless it changes default behaviour. | 16:20 |
| noonedeadpunk | And we actually trying to avoid changing defaluts wherever possible | 16:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_barbican master: Refactor memcached_servers https://review.opendev.org/713227 | 16:22 |
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| mnaser | noonedeadpunk: that's my opinion personally, that way, we're being pretty accomodating to operators but also not breaking our users | 16:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_octavia master: Refactor memcached_servers https://review.opendev.org/713248 | 16:28 |
| mnaser | thoughts jralbert, jrosser | 16:28 |
| mnaser | ? | 16:28 |
| jralbert | Sounds perfect to me | 16:28 |
| jrosser | yeah - though i'd like to see more eyes on stuff to review | 16:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_sahara master: Refactor memcached_servers https://review.opendev.org/713252 | 16:30 |
| jrosser | and in general some of the larger pieces of work could really use some co-development - there's two of us have had a stab but for various reasons it's stalled | 16:31 |
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| jrosser | jralbert: were you looking to get more involved with work on OSA? | 16:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_ironic master: Refactor memcached_servers https://review.opendev.org/713239 | 16:33 |
| jralbert | Yes, our site would like to discuss how we can contribute to the project | 16:35 |
| jrosser | mnaser: ^ | 16:35 |
| mnaser | jralbert: sure! i mean, all contributions are open, are you thinking of dedicating some times/resources or special areas you wanna get involved in? | 16:36 |
| jralbert | Well, we're very heavily invested in OSA as both an install/upgrade and operations tool, so our big priority is features around the OSA procedures themselves: scaling, rebuilding nodes, etc | 16:37 |
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| jralbert | So right now I'm sad about tags like nova-config not working Rocky; but I'd love to see some improvements to the docs as well, and to general operations support improvements | 16:39 |
| jralbert | All that said, I want our site to help the project however it needs help; I know that all this stuff gets better if the overall workload can be spread out a bit | 16:39 |
| jralbert | What I'm interested in figuring out is what kinds of contributions you'd find useful, and rough idea of how many hours a week we can realistically contribute to that | 16:40 |
| noonedeadpunk | jralbert: tags are fixed in stein:) | 16:40 |
| jralbert | So I saw :( | 16:40 |
| jralbert | Stein's on our roadmap for sure, but we're a fairly big installation relative to our team size, so we can't move that fast | 16:41 |
| noonedeadpunk | it was too much of backport work to do, and not so many ppl cared about it... And now once rocky is EM... | 16:41 |
| jralbert | Yep, I understand we're a bit behind the curve | 16:41 |
| jralbert | We just got to Rocky in Novemver | 16:41 |
| noonedeadpunk | Yeah, that's ok | 16:42 |
| noonedeadpunk | So actually right now we have our hands mostly in supporting rather than bringing new features | 16:42 |
| noonedeadpunk | So if you see any bugs, or feature missing - feel free to contribute it | 16:43 |
| noonedeadpunk | Really every help is appreciated | 16:43 |
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| jralbert | Well, the tags issue is a good example of this: I'm not sure how to make a contribution to improve that | 16:43 |
| jralbert | But it breaks our workflow pretty badly | 16:43 |
| noonedeadpunk | Also right now we ahve a lot of deprecated params in configs that needs cleaning up and more stuff... | 16:43 |
| noonedeadpunk | jralbert: at this point, when no releases to rocky can be done, it might be a bit late. But, you can try to backport topic https://review.opendev.org/#/q/static_imports | 16:45 |
| noonedeadpunk | after we can make rocky bump and you can use stable/rocky isntead of some tag... | 16:46 |
| mnaser | jralbert: it just mostly needs effort for someone to go ahead and backport those changes and test them out. | 16:46 |
| jralbert | Hm, okay | 16:46 |
| noonedeadpunk | but we won't be able to release new tag because of EM | 16:46 |
| jralbert | I wonder if maybe our team should start out with triaging bugs as a way to get into the project and get the lay of the land | 16:47 |
| noonedeadpunk | once you need reviews don't hesitate to ping cores here :p | 16:48 |
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| noonedeadpunk | oh, our launchpad nowadays... is a bit let down | 16:48 |
| jralbert | There was a bit of concern from our management that untriaged bugs that hurt us badly might imply the project wasn't still being actively maintained | 16:48 |
| noonedeadpunk | but help with it is really very appreiated | 16:49 |
| jralbert | Okay, well I think maybe that's how we'll start: some bug triage, and some proposed changes to help us out with things we'd like fixed in Rocky | 16:50 |
| jralbert | Does that sounds reasonable to you? | 16:50 |
| jrosser | we had huge success last time we did a bug squash day | 16:50 |
| mnaser | jrosser: i think some bug triage is helpful but mostly proposing changing is the _most_ valuable thing | 16:50 |
| jrosser | maybe nearly 100 dealt with in 24hours | 16:50 |
| jrosser | mnaser: i guess that comment is for jralbert but i'd have to add that review effort has to be available to match contributions | 16:51 |
| mnaser | jrosser: i agree. i have personally not been very good at actively doing it, but i think if we maybe try to ping each other | 16:52 |
| jralbert | I hope that once we are a part of things for a while, we'll be able to contribute a team member that you'd be willing to include as a reviewer | 16:52 |
| mnaser | jralbert: i think we all would welcome new cores, we're not a picky bunch. or i like to think at least :) | 16:54 |
| jralbert | So there's two main contributors at my site, including me; my colleague has much more experience contributing to large open source projects as a core member, so I will encourage him to come here and introduce himself in the next few days. I will start out with bug triage and proposing backports. I think we can probably contribute 2-4 hours a week, | 16:55 |
| jralbert | but I don't want to promise anything too firm just yet | 16:55 |
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| jrosser | jralbert: having some kind of always on irc presence is very handy - also outside the meeting times there is a shortened URL to the review dashbaord in the IRC topic, keeping a regular (daily?) view on that is a good way to keep across whats going on | 16:58 |
| jrosser | and thats the route in to start doing reviews, which anyone can leave a +1/-1 on | 16:58 |
| jralbert | Okay, that's where we'll get started | 17:00 |
| jralbert | When my colleague has got a freenode name I'll ask him to come by and introduce himself | 17:00 |
| jrosser | ooh time is up | 17:08 |
| jrosser | #endmeeting | 17:08 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 17 17:08:37 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:08 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2020/openstack_ansible_meeting.2020-03-17-16.00.html | 17:08 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2020/openstack_ansible_meeting.2020-03-17-16.00.txt | 17:08 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2020/openstack_ansible_meeting.2020-03-17-16.00.log.html | 17:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_manila master: Refactor memcached_servers https://review.opendev.org/713242 | 17:10 |
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| jralbert | Thanks for the chat today, looking forward to helping out! | 17:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_magnum master: Refactor memcached_servers https://review.opendev.org/713241 | 17:18 |
| mnaser | jrosser, jralbert : sure please have them come in! | 17:18 |
| jralbert | Quite a few of the open and higher-importance bugs are very old (2+ years) and apply to releases that are now way past support (Ocata, etc). Is it fair game to close these? | 17:21 |
| noonedeadpunk | I'd say yes... But still maybe worth having a brief look as we might still have them not fixed | 17:25 |
| jralbert | And do I have the permission to actually modify ticket states, or do I need to ask one of you to do so? | 17:26 |
| noonedeadpunk | mnaser: ^? | 17:29 |
| noonedeadpunk | if it was up to me, I'd probably say yes | 17:34 |
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| noonedeadpunk | since we eded up that backports are ok, jrosser you can probably restore https://review.opendev.org/#/c/710758/ ? | 17:45 |
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| jrosser | that adds fields to defaults | 17:46 |
| jrosser | but it looks like it handles the case where the new field is undefined | 17:47 |
| jrosser | is anyone doing federation? | 17:47 |
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| noonedeadpunk | it add defaults but don't change it I guess... | 18:03 |
| noonedeadpunk | like we check here https://review.opendev.org/#/c/710758/1/tasks/main.yml if it's defined | 18:03 |
| noonedeadpunk | rather than suggest that it is | 18:03 |
| noonedeadpunk | so it shouldn't break things theoretically.... | 18:04 |
| noonedeadpunk | also can you take a look at https://review.opendev.org/#/q/owner:%22Erik+Berg%22+status:open+branch:master ? | 18:09 |
| noonedeadpunk | I'm not so big expert but it looks fair? | 18:09 |
| ebbex | noonedeadpunk: thanks, it's mostly needed for rocky. and/but with those in place we managed to get our production env up to stein. | 18:13 |
| ebbex | (xenial/rocky -> bionic/rocky -> bionic/stein) | 18:15 |
| noonedeadpunk | yeah, it's needed for rocky, but as these patches are applicable for master as well we have to merge master first | 18:22 |
| noonedeadpunk | after that backports to rocky | 18:22 |
| noonedeadpunk | (as repo_build is not the case since stein) | 18:23 |
| noonedeadpunk | jralbert let's say you can. If you're not sure in smth - feel free to ping us here and ask | 18:23 |
| jralbert | Will do, I'll be cautious | 18:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dmitriy Rabotyagov (noonedeadpunk) proposed openstack/openstack-ansible-os_magnum stable/train: Add ability to create COE template https://review.opendev.org/713511 | 18:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Dmitriy Rabotyagov (noonedeadpunk) proposed openstack/openstack-ansible-os_magnum stable/train: Add ability to create COE template https://review.opendev.org/713511 | 18:47 |
| openstackgerrit | Dmitriy Rabotyagov (noonedeadpunk) proposed openstack/openstack-ansible-os_magnum stable/train: Add ability to create COE template https://review.opendev.org/713511 | 18:47 |
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| mnaser | jrosser: honestly if anyone isn't and it's pretty broken in your opinion im just in favour of fixing it | 19:02 |
| mnaser | if anyone comes and complains | 19:02 |
| mnaser | they can submit a patch too | 19:02 |
| mnaser | :) | 19:02 |
| jrosser | i think it's all OK for SAML, just no support for OIDC at all right now | 19:03 |
| jrosser | but yes, progress is good :) | 19:03 |
| mnaser | id like to one day be able to use oidc | 19:03 |
| mnaser | but there's things ahead of that | 19:03 |
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