| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-ansible master: Bump ansible-base and OpenStack collections https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible/+/771780 | 00:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andrew Bonney proposed openstack/openstack-ansible-galera_server stable/victoria: Bring db setup vars in line with other roles https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-galera_server/+/772550 | 08:51 |
| jrosser | morning | 08:51 |
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| admin0 | morning \o | 09:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Jonathan Rosser proposed openstack/openstack-ansible-os_tempest master: Use internal endpoint for tempestconf and respect tempest_keystone_interface_insecure https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_tempest/+/769966 | 09:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-ansible master: Add more explantion for variables for external ceph integration https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible/+/772270 | 10:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-rsyslog_client stable/ussuri: Update role for Ubuntu Focal and Centos-8 https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-rsyslog_client/+/771410 | 10:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jonathan Rosser proposed openstack/openstack-ansible-os_tempest master: Use internal endpoint for tempestconf and respect tempest_keystone_interface_insecure https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_tempest/+/769966 | 12:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-ansible master: Install rsync for CentOS bootstrap https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible/+/772495 | 12:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andrew Bonney proposed openstack/openstack-ansible master: Add to bind-to-mgmt upgrade release note for older deployments https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible/+/772688 | 13:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Andrew Bonney proposed openstack/openstack-ansible stable/victoria: Add to bind-to-mgmt upgrade release note for older deployments https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible/+/772691 | 13:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jonathan Rosser proposed openstack/openstack-ansible stable/victoria: Install rsync for CentOS bootstrap https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible/+/772665 | 13:31 |
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| gaudenz | Hi | 13:57 |
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| gaudenz | I'm a bit unsure about the current state of central logging in OSA. It looks like the systemd-journal-remote facility is now disabled, but the changes to convert some services to log to the journal were not reverted. | 13:58 |
| gaudenz | Also it looks like some services were never converted to log to the journal. | 13:59 |
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| jrosser | the default is that everything should be logged to the journal | 14:00 |
| jrosser | if you've found things that are not it would be worth making some bugs on launchpad for those | 14:00 |
| gaudenz | So the current default state should be that everything logs to the journal and there is no central logging? | 14:00 |
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| jrosser | not by default, as folk tend to have their own preferred solution, graylog / ELK / ..... | 14:01 |
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| gaudenz | I see, some services I thought were not converted to use the journal were converted in later releases. I'm currently in the process of ugprading to Rocky, there nova, glance and neutron still use syslog | 14:03 |
| jrosser | it would be good to get significantly beyond rocky fairly quickly | 14:08 |
| jrosser | from an OSA perspective we no longer run any meaningful CI for rocky or stein | 14:09 |
| spatel | jrosser: i am running very large cluster on stein :D | 14:10 |
| spatel | I think i have to take some action | 14:10 |
| spatel | not sure how difficult it would be to forklift whole cluster from centos to ubuntu | 14:12 |
| jrosser | if you introduce at minimum one ubuntu infra node with a repo container on it, you should be able to add ubuntu computes | 14:13 |
| spatel | hmm! interesting, so add ubuntu repo and tell your new ubuntu compute to use that repo to rollout right? | 14:14 |
| spatel | that would be my next project to move from centos to ubunut because we are running 500 compute nodes on that cloud and it would be fun fun... | 14:16 |
| jrosser | pretty much yes, just using an ubuntu host for all the venv/wheel stuff we looked at yesterday | 14:16 |
| gaudenz | We are planning to upgrade to ussuri or victoria fairly soon. This way I would like to settle on the way logging is going to be setup in the future. | 14:16 |
| jrosser | spatel: more care needed when you decide to roll the control plane centos->ubuntu though, might take a practice run at that first somewhere safe | 14:17 |
| spatel | oh yes.. lab lab lab (i am not going to touch otherwise) | 14:18 |
| spatel | jrosser: why are we not adding option in journalctl to forward logs to rsyslog if folks already have rsyslog setup using "ForwardToSyslog=yes" option in journalctl.conf | 14:19 |
| jrosser | becasue it is broken in systemd | 14:20 |
| jrosser | oh sorry | 14:20 |
| jrosser | i guess thats again something that you can do in your host preparation | 14:20 |
| jrosser | all journals -> syslog may not really be a thing in the scope of OSA, but up to the deployer? | 14:20 |
| jrosser | OSA tries to be leaving these choices open | 14:21 |
| gaudenz | At least that might be a transition path until the remote journal logging is fixed. | 14:22 |
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| spatel | That is what i am going to use for interim fix to ship logs using journalctl -> rsyslog | 14:38 |
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| jrosser | i think it's unlikley that we will merge any code to do with syslog stuff | 14:42 |
| jrosser | do whatever is needed as part of the pre-OSA setup | 14:42 |
| spatel | understand | 14:42 |
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| CeeMac | jrosser: do the newer release still use journal-upload and journal-remote to centralise the journals on log-hosts | 14:51 |
| jrosser | the code is there but it is disabled | 14:51 |
| jrosser | CeeMac: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible/blob/master/releasenotes/notes/disable-journald-remote-33d3b43e538786ed.yaml | 14:53 |
| CeeMac | oh because of the systemd bug where pruning the log folders wasn't working? | 14:55 |
| CeeMac | i remember looking at the now | 14:55 |
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| CeeMac | s/the/that | 14:55 |
| spatel | So it looks like this was fixed some time between v239 and v244. Nice! | 14:56 |
| spatel | Quoting those comments | 14:56 |
| jrosser | so bionic doesnt have the fix, but focal should | 14:57 |
| jrosser | that could specatularly simplify deploying something like the ELK stack for journal collection | 14:58 |
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| jrosser | i've got journalbeat on each host right now which is a lot of stuff to deploy | 14:58 |
| spatel | journalbeat each host and containers right? | 15:03 |
| spatel | I am debating between journalbeat vs rsyslog for my centralized graylog | 15:04 |
| mgariepy | spatel, journal2gelf ? | 15:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Andrew Bonney proposed openstack/openstack-ansible-lxc_container_create master: Fix formatting of LXC container config files https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-lxc_container_create/+/772706 | 15:21 |
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| CeeMac | i was probably going to roll with graylog | 15:27 |
| CeeMac | i've debated going with elk, alongside the elk metrics | 15:27 |
| CeeMac | but graylog feels more appropriate | 15:28 |
| CeeMac | but yeah if focal has the patched systemd that would be good! | 15:28 |
| CeeMac | one ive upgrade >_< | 15:28 |
| CeeMac | s/one/once | 15:28 |
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| spatel | mgariepy: doesn't it need go interpreter? | 15:53 |
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| mgariepy | spatel, no https://github.com/systemd/journal2gelf/blob/master/journal2gelf | 16:16 |
| spatel | mgariepy: really, so just sinle python script to ship logs | 16:17 |
| mgariepy | i'm not sure what does journalbeat do ship | 16:18 |
| mgariepy | in graylog | 16:18 |
| mgariepy | but journal2gelf does a good job. | 16:18 |
| spatel | graylog is nothing but ELK behind the walls | 16:19 |
| mgariepy | https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible-ops/blob/master/graylog/graylog-forward-logs.yml | 16:19 |
| spatel | I got confused in SystemdJournal2Gelf which need Go package. | 16:20 |
| spatel | end of the days they all going to ship logs but looking for something easy which can last for next few years and not lots of overhead | 16:21 |
| mgariepy | now i am also. | 16:21 |
| mgariepy | lol | 16:21 |
| CeeMac | spatel: technically, kinda, but also not i think | 16:23 |
| CeeMac | i know it uses elastic and mongo, and kibana | 16:23 |
| CeeMac | but i figured the log processing with a bit better then logstash or fluentd | 16:24 |
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| spatel | CeeMac: yes, i am using both GUI interface graylog GUI + i have kibana installed | 16:24 |
| CeeMac | from what i've read anyway, but the internet is full of conflicting opinions :D | 16:24 |
| spatel | Its all depend how much logs your are pumping, I don't think openstack produce lots of logs so anything you deploy should be fine. | 16:27 |
| spatel | but when it comes to millions of log line per second then you need to think about client side processing vs server side for parsing etc.. | 16:27 |
| spatel | We have massive ELK running (not for openstack) which has 15 data nodes and millions of transaction per second | 16:28 |
| spatel | with 500 compute nodes my graylog producing this rate - https://ibb.co/Bfm4Hq9 | 16:31 |
| CeeMac | well, i was going to multipurpose it for the other infrastructure and switch stacks etc too | 16:32 |
| jrosser | if you deploy the whole ELK stack the data rate gets out of hand | 16:36 |
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| spatel | what do you mean deploying whole ELK stack? | 16:37 |
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| spatel | Do you guys using rabbitMQ HA queue for all notifications.* queue? | 16:47 |
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| spatel | I think its kind of overhead if you don't care about notifications | 16:48 |
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| admin0 | how to make swift use ceph for its backend ? | 17:12 |
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| b1tsh1ft3r | Running into this error when launching an instance from a 1.5GB QCOW2 image on train 20.2.1 | 17:48 |
| b1tsh1ft3r | Volume f181e16d-926d-47ba-beec-87af0d013d2d did not finish being created even after we waited 21 seconds or 8 attempts. And its status is error. | 17:49 |
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| b1tsh1ft3r | Raw images work just fine, but seems QCOW2 images take a bit longer and fail often | 17:49 |
| b1tsh1ft3r | Any thoughts? I havnt tweaked with any timeout settings and its all default deployment configs currently for nova/cinder | 17:50 |
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| spatel | without logs hard to answer | 18:07 |
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| CeeMac | b1tsh1ft3r: it might be worth enabling debug in the cinder service so you can check the traceback | 20:18 |
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| masterpe | We try to install some additional compute nodes, but we get a pip error "ERROR: THESE PACKAGES DO NOT MATCH THE HASHES FROM THE REQUIREMENTS FILE" on the nova client. | 20:26 |
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