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| jenkins-keep | John Vrbanac: Adding tox job for local functional test dev | 15:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | John Wood proposed a change to openstack/barbican: Update to the latest global requirements versions https://review.openstack.org/126055 | 15:54 |
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| redrobot | reaperhulk do you have a minute to +Workflow https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126055/ | 16:23 |
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| reaperhulk | redrobot: done | 16:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/barbican: Update to the latest global requirements versions https://review.openstack.org/126055 | 16:46 |
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| jenkins-keep | John Wood: Update to the latest global requirements versions | 17:01 |
| rm_work | redrobot: so close! :P | 17:07 |
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| redrobot | rm_work which one? | 17:11 |
| redrobot | rm_work today was supposed to be a day off >_> | 17:11 |
| redrobot | adee dstufft reaperhulk jvrbanac woodster_ can I get some eyes on this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125678/1 | 17:12 |
| redrobot | alee ^^ | 17:12 |
| rm_work | redrobot: take the day :P i'll bug some other people | 17:14 |
| dstufft | redrobot: what's it need, a +Workflow? | 17:15 |
| rm_work | redrobot: didn't know you were ETO | 17:15 |
| redrobot | dstufft yes, please | 17:15 |
| rm_work | while you guys are at it, also eyes on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124889/1 :) | 17:15 |
| rm_work | except woodster_, who is ahead of the game ^_^ | 17:15 |
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| woodster_ | arunkant, please rebase your keystone CR after this CR merges: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125678/ | 17:30 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/barbican: Open Kilo development https://review.openstack.org/125678 | 17:37 |
| redrobot | woohoo! ^^ | 17:40 |
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| jenkins-keep | thierry: Open Kilo development | 17:46 |
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| rm_work | reaperhulk: you KNOW you want to look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124889/ | 19:13 |
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| SheenaG1 | Hey reaperhulk - you around? You can ignore rm_work and just talk to me ;-) | 19:19 |
| rm_work | pfft | 19:19 |
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| SheenaG1 | LOL | 19:20 |
| rm_work | SheenaG1: you have +2, go review my CR :) | 19:20 |
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| SheenaG1 | I have no such thing | 19:21 |
| SheenaG1 | I have +1 sometimes | 19:21 |
| SheenaG1 | When they let me | 19:21 |
| SheenaG1 | Us "manager types" aren't allowed near the code for fear we'll hurt ourselves | 19:22 |
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| rm_work | yeah, it can be sharp / pointy at times | 19:23 |
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| reaperhulk | SheenaG1? | 19:36 |
| SheenaG1 | Hey reaperhulk - just wanted to let you know that some Digi folks may pop into the channel | 19:37 |
| SheenaG1 | In case you happen to see them | 19:37 |
| reaperhulk | SheenaG1 ah okay. Yeah I have an email from Brian CCing some devs that I need to respond to still as well | 19:38 |
| reaperhulk | I didn't get lunch though so I am super sleepy :/ | 19:38 |
| * reaperhulk is not an adult | 19:38 | |
| SheenaG1 | You should definitely try eating. Highly recommended | 19:38 |
| rm_work | A++ would ingest food again | 19:38 |
| reaperhulk | I wanted to, but going to a friend's house to get a reasonable network connection exhausted my supply of ambition | 19:39 |
| rm_work | honestly, TMobile tethering is pretty "decent" for anything that isn't ping-reliant | 19:39 |
| rm_work | better than my parents DSL >_> | 19:40 |
| reaperhulk | LTE has excellent ping these days as well. Part of the big improvement from HSPA+ to LTE was a reduction in latency | 19:41 |
| rm_work | still not great for FPS / MOBA :) | 19:42 |
| rm_work | ... I have tried on several occasions. Semi-playable, but still pretty sucky. | 19:42 |
| JeffF | reaperhulk SheenaG1: Hey, I'm one of the DigiCert devs | 19:45 |
| reaperhulk | Hey JeffF :) | 19:46 |
| SheenaG1 | Hey JeffF! Welcome | 19:46 |
| JeffF | hello, thanks! | 19:46 |
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| JeffF | reaperhulk: so Brian introduced me to you over email, so to speak? | 19:47 |
| reaperhulk | Yep! If I recall your primary question was what the plugin interface currently looks like for writing the sort of integration you're planning to do? | 19:49 |
| JeffF | yes | 19:49 |
| JeffF | As I understand from Brian, we are looking to provide the same sort of client and plugin as Symantec | 19:50 |
| reaperhulk | Yeah, so chellygel (who is out today) and woodster_ have been leading the work on the generic interface + the specific symantec implementation | 19:50 |
| reaperhulk | The generic interface is defined here: https://github.com/openstack/barbican/blob/master/barbican/plugin/interface/certificate_manager.py | 19:50 |
| reaperhulk | and https://github.com/openstack/barbican/blob/master/barbican/plugin/symantec.py holds the current progress of the symantec implementation. | 19:51 |
| JeffF | ok. yes, I've been reading the code for both of those | 19:51 |
| JeffF | so I'm in the right place, that's good. ;-) | 19:51 |
| reaperhulk | Definitely helpful, hehe. Have you tried to run barbican yet/get a dev env going where you can run the unit tests? | 19:53 |
| JeffF | yes. I've set up barbican and have followed through the getting started guide saving and querying secrets and such | 19:54 |
| JeffF | I've stubbed out our own plugin following the interview defined at certificate_manager.py | 19:55 |
| JeffF | *interface | 19:55 |
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| reaperhulk | awesome :) | 19:56 |
| JeffF | it's been really fun so far. | 19:56 |
| JeffF | right now, I'm interested to know how the data gets through to the plugin, via web service or cli and what do the attributes look like when it comes through. I just need to make sure I match up those attributes with what our API is expecting | 19:56 |
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| reaperhulk | Essentially you can define what you are going to require and then users would pass it in as part of their order data JSON (which is a POST to the orders resource). /cc woodster_ chellygel | 19:58 |
| reaperhulk | Those two will be able to correct any misapprehensions I have about how this actually works, haha | 19:58 |
| redrobot | Weekly meeting is about to start on #openstack-meeting-alt | 19:59 |
| JeffF | ok, got it. Thanks a ton for that. | 20:00 |
| SheenaG1 | Hey JeffF - everyone is hopping over to the weekly meeting, but I can try to rope woodster_ into responding here in 30-45 minutes | 20:02 |
| SheenaG1 | Otherwise chellygel will be back tomorrow and she would (I'm sure) be super excited to help | 20:02 |
| JeffF | I can be on the meeting too if that is ok. | 20:02 |
| SheenaG1 | Of course | 20:02 |
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| woodster_ | JeffF, we are early in the process of ssl cert generation with barbican but plan to refine the API further at the Nov summit. In particular, topics #9 and #14 of this etherpad seek to flesh out specifically what should go into an order's metadata to request a cert: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-kilo-design-sessions | 20:16 |
| JeffF | woodster_: thanks. I'll take a look | 20:16 |
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| woodster_ | JeffF, the trick being to either standardize on metadata about a certificate order that individual plugins (such as DigiCert) could map to their own value names and formats, or else allow for service discovery via the API, and then allow for CA-specific values to be provided in the order (so DigiCert specific values if that is the chosen CA for the order). | 20:18 |
| woodster_ | JeffF, for evaluation though, if your cert plugin is the only one enabled then it can just take the order metadata value as is and do something with it. That's the approach the Dogtag cert plugin developer is taking for example. | 20:21 |
| rm_work | lol, I managed to miss the meeting again :P | 20:22 |
| SheenaG1 | I missed the congratulations for redrobot! :-( | 20:22 |
| SheenaG1 | CONGRATS SIR! | 20:22 |
| rm_work | redrobot: I have some questions about the auth in python-barbicanclient, if for some reason you continue to be on IRC on your day off after you walk your dog | 20:23 |
| JeffF | woodster_: agreed on the standarized data, which is why I was wondering if the data set coming through was defined already, or if we define it. | 20:23 |
| redrobot | SheenaG1thanks! | 20:24 |
| redrobot | SheenaG1 thanks! | 20:24 |
| redrobot | rm_work what's up? | 20:24 |
| woodster_ | JeffF, for now, you can define it, as if only your plugin is deployed with Barbican. In Kilo we might refine this to be standardized data, but then all you would need to do is add a mapping component to your plugin. So this way you can get started with your plugin interacting with Barbican | 20:24 |
| rm_work | redrobot: so from what I can tell, the only way to use the client right now is to create an auth object using a username and password | 20:25 |
| rm_work | redrobot: which... does not work for my use-case; I need to be able to go deal with keystone myself and get a trust token / composite token, and send THAT to Barbican | 20:25 |
| rm_work | redrobot: am I missing something simple? | 20:26 |
| redrobot | rm_work so currently the auth stuff isn't very good, but jvrbanac is working on changing that so that we use standard Keystone sessions | 20:26 |
| rm_work | redrobot: ok | 20:26 |
| redrobot | rm_work http://docs.openstack.org/developer/python-keystoneclient/using-sessions.html | 20:26 |
| rm_work | jvrbanac: any ETA on that? :P | 20:26 |
| JeffF | woodster_: ok. very helpful. Thanks. | 20:26 |
| woodster_ | JeffF, keep in mind that we are missing a component to retry the plugin periodically (say to see if the CA has created a certificate yet or not). The Dogtag developer (Ade, alee from Redhat) is implementing direct certificate generation approach first, that doesn't require the periodic status checking. | 20:27 |
| JeffF | woodster_: this question was brought up this morning in our discussion as well | 20:28 |
| jvrbanac | rm_work, working on it right now... I should have something up an a couple days | 20:28 |
| rm_work | hmm thanks for the link redrobot, I may have to go talk with Keystone folks again | 20:28 |
| rm_work | jvrbanac: awesome :) keep me posted! | 20:28 |
| rm_work | jvrbanac: is there something I can subscribe to? :P launchpad / CR ? | 20:28 |
| alee | JeffF, what that means is that the barbican plugin written by dogtag authenticates with dogtag CA as a trusted agent, so that cert requests can be automatically approved. | 20:28 |
| alee | JeffF, and immediately returned | 20:28 |
| jvrbanac | rm_work, will do | 20:29 |
| alee | rellerreller, ping | 20:29 |
| JeffF | alee: and is the cert issued immediately, or how is the cert returned? | 20:30 |
| redrobot | rm_work jvrbanac I can add a blueprint to track the auth stuff | 20:30 |
| alee | JeffF, right - the cert is issued immediately. We return a reference to the cert (url) which we then fetch and return to barbican | 20:30 |
| alee | JeffF, check out the dogtag plugin code .. | 20:30 |
| alee | plugins/dogtag.py iirc .. | 20:31 |
| JeffF | alee: I will, thanks! | 20:31 |
| rm_work | redrobot: :P if you want to -- it is your day off | 20:31 |
| rm_work | you're welcome to work if you want to :) | 20:32 |
| rm_work | though if you're going to work, I prefer https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124889/ ^_^ | 20:32 |
| rellerreller | alee what's up? | 20:32 |
| rm_work | though actually I may end up stalled on this auth issue, so it might not matter if my stuff gets in anytime soon <_< | 20:32 |
| alee | rellerreller, hey - I was just going through the barbican related code in nove and cinder | 20:32 |
| alee | and needed some clarification | 20:33 |
| rm_work | nova and cinder have barbican code? | 20:33 |
| rellerreller | I hope I can hlep | 20:33 |
| * rm_work should take a look at that | 20:33 | |
| alee | rellerreller, specifically in cinder -- | 20:33 |
| alee | what are the use cases in which they invoke the KeyManager? | 20:34 |
| rellerreller | rm_work Yes, we have some code in there. Don't know if Nova accepted our code yet but Cinder does | 20:34 |
| rm_work | cool | 20:34 |
| rellerreller | alee I cannot list all of the use cases bc I am not sure. We use it for disk encryption. That may be all of the use cases now :) | 20:34 |
| JeffF | woodster_: is the ability to retry the cert plugin to check for a completed certificate for example being developed, or planned? | 20:35 |
| rellerreller | alee Cinder and Nova use it for Cinder volume encryption | 20:35 |
| rellerreller | alee Nova also is using it to encrypt LVM volumes for ephemeral storage | 20:35 |
| alee | rellerreller, ok - in nova, I see how it is used for ephemeral storage. | 20:36 |
| rellerreller | alee There may be other use cases but those are all of the ones that I am aware of | 20:36 |
| alee | in the case of cinder volume encryption then , nova just tells cinder it wants an encrypted volume, and cinder provides one? | 20:36 |
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| alee | I was under the impression (perhaps mistaken) that nova would ask for the key to be generated | 20:37 |
| alee | rellerreller, just trying to get a sense of the flow .. | 20:37 |
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| rellerreller | alee not exactly. When the volume is used Nova retrieves the key ID from Cinder and then Nova uses dm-crypt to mount the encrypted drive. | 20:38 |
| rellerreller | alee I think we have some powerpoint slides on the sequence of events if you like ??? | 20:38 |
| alee | yeah - that would be great, thanks .. | 20:38 |
| rellerreller | It has been a while since I have looked at that code. Another dev here works on that now. | 20:39 |
| alee | rellerreller, ok - but the generation of the symmetric key (or the request to KeyManager to do so) happens in cinder. | 20:39 |
| rellerreller | alee I will try to find some slides and send them to you. I probably can get them to you tomorrow | 20:39 |
| alee | rellerreller, that would be great thanks | 20:40 |
| rellerreller | alee Yes, we want Cinder to generate the key but not read it. Only Nova should be able to read the key in our use cases. | 20:40 |
| SheenaG1 | Hey JeffF - working on catching woodster_ for you | 20:40 |
| alee | rellerreller, ok that makes sense. Lines up with what I;m seeing in the code. | 20:41 |
| JeffF | SheenaG1: np, thanks | 20:41 |
| alee | rellerreller, nova does generate a key in the case of ephemeral data encryption though .. | 20:41 |
| alee | JeffF, there is code there but I'm not sure how much its been tested. | 20:42 |
| alee | JeffF, well -let me rephrase .. | 20:42 |
| rellerreller | alee Ephemeral storage keys are completely managed by Nova instances because ephemeral storage is | 20:43 |
| alee | there is code there to manage state when returning status from the cert requests, but the retry mechanism -- ie. the thing that schedules and executes retry tasks - is still to be developed | 20:44 |
| alee | planned for kilo | 20:44 |
| JeffF | alee: ok. so going forward, that will be available to return state of the cert then? | 20:45 |
| alee | right - the whole mechanism should hopefully be ironed out and put in early in the kilo cycle. | 20:47 |
| redrobot | rm_work jvrbanac https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-barbicanclient/+spec/use-keystone-sessions | 20:49 |
| jvrbanac | redrobot, awesome thanks! | 20:50 |
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| rm_work | kk thanks | 20:50 |
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| JeffF | alee: so sorry for the many questions. I'm just new to this and eager to ramp up quickly. | 20:58 |
| rm_work | woodster_: that meeting is like, in 2 minutes | 20:58 |
| rm_work | woodster_: if you wanted to hit that up | 20:58 |
| JeffF | thanks for the help! | 20:59 |
| alee | JeffF, absolutely. we'll be looking to you for feedback when we try to design the generic cert interface. | 21:00 |
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| JeffF | alee: very willing to help | 21:00 |
| alee | cool | 21:01 |
| rm_work | redrobot: did you want to do a video conference on your day off? :P | 21:02 |
| rm_work | *Vidyo :P | 21:02 |
| JeffF | alee: ok, final question for now I think. the /orders resource is the api for creating a cert, correct? I see the format for a post to orders here, https://github.com/cloudkeep/barbican/wiki/Application-Programming-Interface Is there a specific json format I should use to pass in cert details for example? | 21:02 |
| alee | JeffF, let me dig up what I was using to test using dogtag .. | 21:04 |
| JeffF | alee: excellent. | 21:05 |
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| alee | JeffF, http://fpaste.org/139711/29638141/ | 21:07 |
| JeffF | alee: got it. thanks so much! | 21:08 |
| alee | JeffF, np -remember of course that this contains what is needed to talk to a dogtag CA | 21:08 |
| alee | yours will be different | 21:08 |
| atiwari | I missed the congratulations for redrobot. | 21:09 |
| atiwari | congratulation redrobot | 21:09 |
| JeffF | alee: yes. it gives me the example of a json request that I can use. and that's what I was looking for. so thanks. I'll try not to be a burden. I think I have what I need to build away for a bit. | 21:09 |
| alee | redrobot, +2 | 21:10 |
| alee | JeffF, no worries. let us know if you have questions | 21:10 |
| JeffF | will do | 21:11 |
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| rm_work | hey SheenaG1 | 21:30 |
| SheenaG1 | What's up rm_work? | 21:30 |
| rm_work | SheenaG1: you around? going to PM you some stuff | 21:30 |
| SheenaG1 | I'm here! | 21:30 |
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