Tuesday, 2019-08-06

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openstackgerritJeremy Liu proposed openstack/barbican master: Support list containers by type  https://review.opendev.org/65755001:12
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openstackgerritpengyuesheng proposed openstack/barbican master: Bump the openstackdocstheme extension to 1.20  https://review.opendev.org/66808503:21
openstackgerritpengyuesheng proposed openstack/barbican master: Blacklist sphinx 2.1.0 (autodoc bug)  https://review.opendev.org/66700103:24
openstackgerritpengyuesheng proposed openstack/barbican master: Modify the url of upper_constraints_file  https://review.opendev.org/66700403:27
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openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed openstack/barbican master: Update Castellan minimum version  https://review.opendev.org/65041407:44
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/barbican master: Fix barbican B105 issues  https://review.opendev.org/67462108:28
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/barbican master: Imported Translations from Zanata  https://review.opendev.org/65897008:45
openstackgerritMerged openstack/barbican master: Added section for Utimaco HSM in documentation.  https://review.opendev.org/64200409:01
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/barbican master: Rename README.md to README.rst  https://review.opendev.org/67463210:13
openstackgerritMerged openstack/barbican master: Replace git.openstack.org URLs with opendev.org URLs  https://review.opendev.org/65486310:26
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openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed openstack/barbican stable/stein: Fix the bug of pep8 and building api-guide  https://review.opendev.org/67465112:58
openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed openstack/barbican stable/stein: Update .gitreview for stable/stein  https://review.opendev.org/64533112:58
openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed openstack/barbican stable/stein: Update UPPER_CONSTRAINTS_FILE for stable/stein  https://review.opendev.org/64533212:59
redrobot#startmeeting barbican13:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Aug  6 13:00:43 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'barbican'13:00
moguimaro/13:00
redrobot#topic Roll Call13:01
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redrobotCourtesy ping for ade_lee hrybacki jamespage Luzi lxkong raildo rm_work xe13:01
raildoo/13:01
Luzio/13:01
rm_worko/13:02
redrobotAs usual our agenda can be found here:13:02
redrobot#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-weekly-meeting13:02
redrobotOk, let's get started13:02
redrobot#topic Review Past Meeting Action Items13:03
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redrobot#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2019/barbican.2019-07-30-13.01.html13:03
redrobotFirst action item13:03
redrobotredrobot to poke ML to understand the goal of openstacksdk13:03
redrobotI kind-of did this but not exactly13:04
redrobotI didn't email the mailing list13:04
redrobotbut I did look into it and added a topic for this meeting13:04
redrobotso we'll get to it in a bit13:04
redrobotMoving on13:04
redrobotNext action item:13:04
redrobotredrobot to talk to hrybacki about unified roles13:04
redrobotI did not do this again.  :(13:04
redrobotI'll try to do it before next week for sure13:04
redrobot#action redrobot to talk to hrybacki about unified roles (3)13:05
redrobotOk, moving on13:05
redrobot#topic Liaison Updates13:05
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redrobotmoguimar, anything we should be aware of in osloland?13:05
redrobotI think moguimar fell asleep.  Going to assume no news from osloland13:07
redrobotok, moving on13:07
redrobot#topic OpenstackSDK13:07
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moguimarbah... screen was not scrolling13:08
moguimarosloland is fine13:08
redrobotmoguimar, no worries. :)13:08
redrobotRight, so OpenStack SDK.13:08
redrobotWhen I was looking for a roadmap I ran into this Nova blueprint:13:08
redrobot#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/openstacksdk-in-nova13:09
redrobotSo, with Nova no longer using python-XXXclients13:10
redrobotI think we should consider deprecating ours13:10
redrobotso that we're not maintaining 4 clients13:10
redrobotFour clients?!?!  Yep, that's right13:10
redrobot1. Castellan13:10
redrobot2. python-barbicanclient13:10
redrobot3. openstacksdk13:10
redrobot4. the "behavior" layer of barbican api functional tests13:10
redrobotSo, what I was thinking is that we should deprecate python-barbicanclient this cycle13:11
redrobotand not implement any new features there13:11
redrobotinstead focus our energy on openstacksdk13:11
Luziso there is something in openstacksdk already?13:11
redrobotYes, but it's minimal13:12
Luzii see13:12
redrobotI think a good exercise would be to re-write Castellan->Barbican using openstacksdk13:12
redrobotAlso implement the secret consumers feature in openstacksdk13:12
redrobotAny thoughts on that?13:14
redrobotAnyone getting heartburn because python-barbicanclient would go away?13:14
Luzimaybe thats a good question to ask on the ml13:15
ade_leeredrobot, I'm ok with it going away -- but maybe we need to have more feature parity between it and openstacksdk before we deprecate it13:15
ade_leeat this point, I'm not even sure what the gaps are13:16
redrobotade_lee, that's fair.13:16
ade_leeand how long they will take to address13:16
rm_worki don't think that octavia planned to get rid of python-octaviaclient due to supporting openstacksdk, but i wonder if it's something we should consider13:16
redrobotade_lee, I've been looking into openstacksdk.  There's not much there.  I don't have a good estimate for implementation though.13:16
ade_leethere is not much of a gap -- or there is not much already implemented?13:17
redrobotrm_work, seems like redundant effort.13:17
rm_workyeah... it does somewhat13:17
redrobotade_lee, not much implemented haha13:17
rm_workbut i think we'd also need to rewrite openstackclient to use the SDK then13:17
rm_workbecause the python-xxx clients are used in that13:17
redrobotrm_work, looks like openstacksdk is already a part of openstackclient https://opendev.org/openstack/python-openstackclient/src/branch/master/requirements.txt#L1013:18
ade_leeredrobot, yeah - then I'd suggest some kind of analysis of what is needed and time for implementation before we consider deprecating python-barbicanclient13:18
rm_workhmm13:18
redrobotade_lee, cool, I can look into documenting that13:19
rm_workyeah it'd still need implementation work tho13:19
rm_workit definitely uses the python-xxxclient right now13:19
redrobot#action redrobot to document the feature gap between python-barbicanclient and openstacksdk13:19
ade_leeack sounds like a series of stories/sub-stories ..13:20
rm_worki'm very interested in the client folks' take on this13:20
redrobotrm_work, yeah, I'd think deprecating python-XXXclient would be a 2-3 cycle process.13:20
rm_workspecifically Dean13:20
rm_workI think he was diving into a lot of these issues somewhat deeply13:21
redrobotrm_work, what is the client channeL?13:22
redrobotI can go poke them and get some of their feedback/ideas13:22
rm_workhmmm uhhh13:22
rm_workgood question13:22
rm_worki usually just poke people in the infra channel cause EVERYONE is always there :D and then figure out the right channel after lol13:23
* rm_work is bad13:23
Luzi#openstack.sdks13:23
Luzis/./-13:23
redrobothaha13:23
rm_workah k13:23
redrobotthanks, Luzi13:23
redrobotMaybe I can start a ML discussion too13:24
redrobotTry to figure out how many people out there are maintaining both like Octavia13:24
redrobot#action redrobot to email ML about openstacksdk/python-xxxclient13:25
redrobotok, looks like we got a couple of action items for this topic13:27
redrobotso we can probably move on13:27
redrobot#topic KMIP gate is now experimental13:27
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redrobotMany thanks to AJaeger for whipping our gates back into shape the last couple of days.13:28
rm_workkk, dean is in a meeting presently but his short comment was "everything is moving towards the sdk" so it sounds like at least this is the right direction13:28
redrobotrm_work++13:28
rm_work(in the past we took steps in the WRONG direction, toward a deprecated project, lol)13:28
redrobotlol13:28
redrobotSo, one of the things that happened during this gate cleanup is that the KMIP gate was moved to the experimental pipeline13:28
redrobotas you might have noticed, the KMIP gate has been failing for a while13:29
redrobotit was marked as non-voting, so it was effectively just wasting a lot of resources13:29
redrobotThe gate is still there, and you can trigger it by commenting "experimental" (I think?) on the patch.13:29
rm_workremind me before the meeting ends that i have a topic13:30
redrobot#link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/67465513:30
redrobot^^ review with KMIP being marked as experimental if you're interested13:30
redrobotAny questions about the KMIP or other gates?13:30
redrobotOK, moving on.13:31
redrobotrm_work, you're up13:31
redrobotrm_work, what's your topic?13:31
ade_leeredrobot, heading to office .. see you in a bit ..13:32
redrobotade_lee, ack13:32
ade_leeLuzi, any news on the summit selections front , though?13:33
Luziwe are done - should be announced soon13:35
ade_leeLuzi, cool - thanks13:35
redrobotI think rm_work changed his mind about adding a topic? 🤔13:37
Luziade_lee, theoretically the schedule should be published "today"...13:38
rm_workno i am here13:38
rm_worksorry13:38
rm_workdistracted, this is why i asked you to remind me :D13:38
rm_work#link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/666986/13:38
rm_workwe are discussing making out cross-project barbican gate voting13:38
rm_workI am not sure if we actually want to do this13:38
rm_workI am curious on your take13:38
redrobot#topic Octavia-barbican gate13:38
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rm_workright now you run a cross-project gate for octavia on barbican somewhere, right?13:39
redrobotrm_work, I _think_ so?13:39
rm_workI am just curious whether you think it'd be a good idea for us to gate on you with a voting gate13:39
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redrobotoctavia-v2-dsvm-tls-barbican13:40
redrobotit's currently non-voting13:40
rm_workyeah on our side it's non-voting13:40
redrobotJust to be clear, you want to make the existing Barbican gate voting13:40
rm_worki thought you had one on your side too but i couldn't find it13:40
rm_workyeah, someone proposed it13:40
redrobotor add a Barbican+Octavia gate in Octavia that is voting?13:40
redrobotWe have octavia-v2-dsvm-tls-barbican in Barbican13:41
redrobotin the Check pipeline13:41
johnsomSomeone wants to make it voting on the Octavia side.13:41
rm_workah it took me a few patchsets to find it, it must not be running consistently... well anyway, yeah it looks non-voting on your side13:41
rm_workso maybe that answers my question13:42
redrobot#link https://opendev.org/openstack/barbican/src/branch/master/.zuul.yaml#L175-L17613:42
johnsomFull disclosure, I voted -1 on the idea.13:42
rm_workalso it appears that since i looked at this, they abandoned the patch13:42
rm_workyeah i also did, but i wanted to talk with folks here too :D13:42
redrobotHave y'all had issues with it breaking often?13:43
johnsomNot really13:43
redrobotthat'd be my main driver for making something voting13:43
rm_workyeah, though i did just see it fail spuriously an hour ago lol13:43
rm_workwhich is the main reason I was -1 ... we don't need MORE chances for random shit to break and kill merges13:44
johnsomI just don’t like idea of blocking our patches on yet another project. We already have too many IMO.13:44
rm_workyep13:44
rm_workok well this is more discussion than i really even intended13:44
rm_worki just wanted snap opinions13:44
rm_workand i think johnsom and I already have ours :D13:44
redrobotHehe13:44
rm_worki was really just trying to see if you felt strongly that "yes, please do that"13:45
redrobotI'm on the side of "leave it as is unless it becomes a pita"13:45
rm_workotherwise I think our original takes will stick13:45
rm_workbecause personally if you asked me, i would say "no, please run the job, but keep it non-voting so our random problems don't break you, but keep an eye on it"13:46
rm_workwhich is what I intend to be our approach13:46
johnsom+113:46
redrobotrm_work++13:46
redrobotCool, sounds like we're all in agreement :)13:46
rm_workyepyep13:46
rm_workwent 95% longer than intended13:47
redrobot#topic Open Discussion13:47
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redrobotAny other topics we should talk about today?13:47
moguimarnot on my end13:47
redrobotcool cool13:49
redrobotthanks for coming everyone!13:49
redrobot#endmeeting13:49
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/barbican master: Imported Translations from Zanata  https://review.opendev.org/65897014:07
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openstackgerritMoisĂ©s GuimarĂŁes proposed openstack/barbican master: [WIP] Secret Consumers  https://review.opendev.org/67430215:59
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/barbican master: Update Castellan minimum version  https://review.opendev.org/65041417:31
openstackgerritMerged openstack/barbican-tempest-plugin master: Remove Manager class  https://review.opendev.org/63463117:31
openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed openstack/barbican stable/stein: Update .gitreview for stable/stein  https://review.opendev.org/64533117:44
openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed openstack/barbican stable/stein: Update .gitreview for stable/stein  https://review.opendev.org/64533117:44
openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed openstack/barbican stable/stein: Update UPPER_CONSTRAINTS_FILE for stable/stein  https://review.opendev.org/64533217:45
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