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| openstackgerrit | ZhiQiang Fan proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: Remove duplicate alarm from alarm_ids https://review.openstack.org/86501 | 05:07 |
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| eglynn | llu: good morning/evening | 06:09 |
| eglynn | llu: I wonder could I trouble you to cast your eye over https://review.openstack.org/87267 ? | 06:10 |
| eglynn | llu: (... related to SNMP hardware polling) | 06:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | ZhiQiang Fan proposed a change to openstack/python-ceilometerclient: Update v2.options docstring https://review.openstack.org/87453 | 06:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Eoghan Glynn proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: More accurate meter name and unit for host load averages https://review.openstack.org/87267 | 08:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Ionut Artarisi proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: reconnect to mongodb on connection failure https://review.openstack.org/86609 | 09:03 |
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| eglynn | morning folks | 09:40 |
| eglynn | I've hacked out a WIP project mission statement for the governance docco | 09:40 |
| eglynn | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ceilometer-misson-statement | 09:40 |
| eglynn | ... would appreciate some prior eyes before I go ahead and propose to gerrit | 09:40 |
| eglynn | jd__: ^^^ you prolly have some good insigt on what passes muster for the governance docco | 09:41 |
| * jd__ checks | 09:42 | |
| jd__ | eglynn: just added a comment | 09:43 |
| eglynn | jd__: ta, LOL :) | 09:44 |
| jd__ | :) | 09:44 |
| eglynn | jd__: I tend to agree, but ... such scaling motherhood & applepie is mentioned in 5 other mission statements | 09:47 |
| eglynn | jd__: ... (nova, neutron, trove, marconi, sahara) | 09:47 |
| jd__ | eglynn: good point (still I lol at them then :) | 09:47 |
| eglynn | ... maybe it's considered traditional, or just rampant copy'n'paste | 09:48 |
| ildikov | I agree with jd__ here :) | 09:48 |
| ildikov | eglynn: .. I would vote for the copy'n'paste version | 09:48 |
| jd__ | yeah anyway it's a detail, it's not a blocker | 09:49 |
| eglynn | jd__, ildikov: ... "on-demand" gets a few mentions too, in case anyone thought we were making a bereaucracy-driven cloud ;) | 09:49 |
| jd__ | lol | 09:50 |
| * SergeyLukjanov lurking | 09:50 | |
| ildikov | I think a mission statement should explain more the mission than a safety game | 09:50 |
| jd__ | so OpenStack mission statement is basically "make a scaling on-demand cloud that works" | 09:50 |
| ildikov | eglynn: LOL :) | 09:50 |
| jd__ | that's reassuring | 09:50 |
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| eglynn | jd__: ... and I suspected all along we were making a sneakily broken cloud to throw FUD at AWS ;) | 09:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | IMO "To collect measurements of utilization and performance indicators for the OpenStack cloud resources." is enough :) | 09:54 |
| ildikov | SergeyLukjanov: but it's not fancy enough ;) | 09:54 |
| ildikov | SergeyLukjanov: the 'wide variety of consumers' is also needed I think | 09:57 |
| eglynn | SergeyLukjanov: ... but /me always has to use the plural form of "data" in every statement about ceilometer | 09:57 |
| eglynn | SergeyLukjanov ... makes /me feel like a real data scientist ;) | 09:57 |
| ildikov | eglynn: if we include the last part of the statement to taht one suggested by SergeyLukjanov, than we get jd__'s advice by dropping the 'arbitrary scale' expression ;) | 10:00 |
| eglynn | SergeyLukjanov, ildikov, jd__: all feedback very welcome, but prolly an idea to continue on gerrit ... https://review.openstack.org/87526 | 10:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | liusheng proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: Fix start_timestamp/end_timestamp in alarm-history https://review.openstack.org/87534 | 10:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mehdi Abaakouk proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: Consume notif. from multiple message bus https://review.openstack.org/77612 | 10:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Mehdi Abaakouk proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: Use NotificationPlugin as an oslo.msg endpoint https://review.openstack.org/77611 | 10:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Mehdi Abaakouk proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: Use oslo.msg retry API in rpc publisher https://review.openstack.org/77845 | 10:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Mehdi Abaakouk proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: Permit usage of notifications for metering https://review.openstack.org/80225 | 10:41 |
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| eglynn | nprivalova: hi! | 10:49 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | eglynn, :) | 11:20 |
| nprivalova | eglynn: hi! | 11:23 |
| eglynn | nprivalova: hi! ... I beg a favour | 11:23 |
| eglynn | nprivalova: ... background is the ongoing TC gap analysis of ceilometer (discussed at last week's meeting) | 11:23 |
| eglynn | nprivalova: I wonder could you put together a quick etherpad describing where we're at currently with Tempest coverage? | 11:23 |
| nprivalova | eglynn: ok, sure. will do now | 11:24 |
| eglynn | nprivalova: thank you! (... /me is under the kosh to present an action plan to TC this evening addressing our gaps) | 11:24 |
| nprivalova | eglynn: yep, I know about it. I'm going to attend the meeting too | 11:25 |
| eglynn | nprivalova: excellent! :) | 11:25 |
| nprivalova | eglynn: take a look http://paste.openstack.org/show/75762/ | 12:00 |
| eglynn | nprivalova: thanks, looking ... | 12:00 |
| eglynn | nprivalova: thanks for this, just a quick question ... | 12:04 |
| eglynn | on "All are blocked by the fact that Ceilometer has to process a lot of information and messages stay in MQ for too long" | 12:04 |
| eglynn | ... so basically ceilometer is effectively falling behind in the face of a firehose of incoming notifications? | 12:04 |
| nprivalova | eglynn: let me find in mailing list | 12:04 |
| eglynn | ... the high volume is would be internal metering messages as opposed to incoming notifications from nova, glance etc.? | 12:05 |
| eglynn | ... and this is a side-effect of (a) the artificially small polling interval used by the tests, and (b) the inability to run multiple collectors/workers against postgres? | 12:05 |
| nprivalova | eglynn: the problem is: "Let me explain in several words why tempest tests is mostly performance tests for Ceilometer. The thing is that Ceilometer service is running during all other nova, cinder and so on tests run. All the tests create instances, volumes and each creation produces a lot of notifications. Each notification is the entry to database. So Ceilometer cannot process such a big amount of notifications quickly. Ceilometer te | 12:06 |
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| nprivalova | eglynn: polling interval was 60 when we made first attempts. From the other hand we cannot make it less than 15 because we will not be able to test pollsters | 12:08 |
| eglynn | nprivalova: cool, I'll re-read that entire thread now ... http://openstack.10931.n7.nabble.com/Ceilometer-QA-Tempest-Infra-Ceilometer-tempest-testing-in-gate-td35527.html | 12:09 |
| openstackgerrit | ZhiQiang Fan proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: Remove duplicate alarm from alarm_ids https://review.openstack.org/86501 | 12:09 |
| nprivalova | eglynn: yep. I think that several workers may help actually... The main concern was in cpu-usage | 12:10 |
| eglynn | nprivalova: ... cool, BTW in the meantime I copied your paste content to an etherpad so we can hack on it https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ceilometer-tempest-status | 12:12 |
| eglynn | nprivalova: (... I'll prolly be back with questions once I've digested that thread) | 12:12 |
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| nprivalova | eglynn: btw, we may add that now we are preparing performance tests for summit. Now we are testing collector with different backends. I'll try to prepare a doc soon | 12:14 |
| eglynn | nprivalova: excellent! BTW where will these new performance tests run ... in-house, or on the community CI infrastructure, or elsewhere? | 12:15 |
| nprivalova | eglynn: in our lab. Is it ok? We may move it somewhere else | 12:16 |
| eglynn | nprivalova: that's cool, I was just curious | 12:16 |
| openstackgerrit | ZhiQiang Fan proposed a change to openstack/python-ceilometerclient: Avoid dead loop when token is string format https://review.openstack.org/87577 | 12:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | li jian proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: Record the attached volume read and write metering sample https://review.openstack.org/87220 | 13:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Nadya Privalova proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: Make entities (Resource, User, Project) able to store lists https://review.openstack.org/78244 | 13:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/ceilometer: More accurate meter name and unit for host load averages https://review.openstack.org/87267 | 13:42 |
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| gordc | eglynn: when you're free, can you take a look at comment here to see if it makes sense: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86399/ | 14:07 |
| eglynn | gordc: looking | 14:08 |
| eglynn | gordc: a-ha, got it, sounds reasonable | 14:09 |
| gordc | eglynn: cool cool | 14:09 |
| eglynn | gordc: BTW that TC gap analysis response is actually going now this evening | 14:10 |
| eglynn | (... was first bumped off the agenda, then un-bumped this morning) | 14:11 |
| gordc | eglynn: ok. did you want me to sit in on it? | 14:11 |
| eglynn | gordc: yeah your input would be most welcome | 14:12 |
| eglynn | gordc: ... I've been hacking on a response etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ceilometer-integration-gap-analysis-coverage-plan | 14:12 |
| gordc | eglynn: ok cool. do you know what time it is? | 14:12 |
| gordc | i'll take a look at the ether | 14:12 |
| eglynn | gordc: 20:00UTC | 14:12 |
| eglynn | gordc: for concern expressed by the TC, I wanted to identify actions and an owner | 14:13 |
| gordc | eglynn: googling what utc time is in EST. | 14:14 |
| eglynn | gordc: ... would you be comfortable with being the "deisgnated driver" for the sqla remediation? | 14:14 |
| gordc | eglynn: i like that idea of assigning owner. | 14:14 |
| eglynn | gordc: ... 16:00 EDT if my math doesn't suck ;) | 14:14 |
| gordc | eglynn: i can take a look at it. im sure Alexei_987 can chime in too. | 14:15 |
| eglynn | gordc: excellent, thank you sir! | 14:15 |
| eglynn | gordc: ... feel free to hack away at that etherpad | 14:15 |
| gordc | will do. i should be free to sit in on meeting as well. | 14:15 |
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| eglynn | gordc: great thanks! | 14:21 |
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| eglynn | Alexei_987: would you be OK with http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/163 being skewed to the gnarly issues in the sqla driver? | 14:22 |
| eglynn | Alexei_987: (... context is the ongoing TC gap analysis discussed above ^^^) | 14:22 |
| Alexei_987 | eglynn: Hi I think that it should not be limited on sqla only | 14:23 |
| Alexei_987 | eglynn: cause all drivers has problems | 14:23 |
| Alexei_987 | eglynn: and we should start with better internal model | 14:23 |
| Alexei_987 | eglynn: and then update all drivers | 14:23 |
| eglynn | Alexei_987: sure not limited to sqla | 14:23 |
| Alexei_987 | eglynn: anyway I'm ok that it's related to this discussion | 14:24 |
| Alexei_987 | eglynn: I wonder what type of data should be prepared for this session | 14:25 |
| eglynn | Alexei_987: we may even take two sessions in total for data model + driver issues, but for now I want one at least one designated placeholder | 14:25 |
| Alexei_987 | eglynn: cool +1 from me | 14:25 |
| eglynn | Alexei_987: cool, thanks! | 14:25 |
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| gordc | eglynn: is the devops session on the table? if that is, maybe we should have that before the model sessions just so we get idea of use cases so we can make sure they're included in model. | 14:27 |
| eglynn | gordc: yep there's a devops session proposed http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/177 | 14:28 |
| eglynn | gordc: ... and yep great idea re. ordering | 14:28 |
| gordc | eglynn: cool cool. | 14:28 |
| eglynn | gordc: ... just thinking, maybe a side-bar etherpad with a list of the current sqla issues would be useful to link from https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ceilometer-integration-gap-analysis-coverage-plan ? | 14:30 |
| gordc | eglynn: sure... i'll create one and add a link. | 14:31 |
| eglynn | gordc: excellent, thank you sir! | 14:31 |
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| eglynn | gordc: thanks, just reading your ceilometer-sql etherpad ... one question though | 15:05 |
| eglynn | "would it be quicker to avoid using ORM" | 15:05 |
| eglynn | gordc: ^^^ ... is that sqlalchemy deprecation you're talking about? | 15:05 |
| eglynn | ... might be a red-rag to a bull in this context ;) | 15:06 |
| eglynn | ... the bull being the standardization hounds on the TC | 15:06 |
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| Alexei_987 | eglynn: question: are we still interested in running unit tests on real backends? | 15:07 |
| eglynn | Alexei_987: like the scenario tests as current run against mongodb? | 15:08 |
| Alexei_987 | eglynn: yes | 15:08 |
| Alexei_987 | eglynn: we have a blueprint on adding support for MySQL and PostgreSQL | 15:08 |
| Alexei_987 | eglynn: and it's 90% ready | 15:09 |
| Alexei_987 | eglynn: the problem I see is that such tests make testsuite really slow | 15:09 |
| eglynn | Alexei_987: ... that wouldn't run by default amiright? | 15:09 |
| eglynn | Alexei_987: ... i.e. default would still be sqlite for speed | 15:09 |
| Alexei_987 | eglynn: we now run mongodb by defaul | 15:09 |
| Alexei_987 | eglynn: from what I know jd__ wanted MySQL and PosgreSQL to be run too | 15:10 |
| Alexei_987 | eglynn: that's actually is my question | 15:10 |
| eglynn | Alexei_987: ... sure, but running mongodb in this way is not outrageously slow, to my eyes anyway | 15:10 |
| Alexei_987 | eglynn: I think that we should create separate jenkins jobs for this | 15:10 |
| Alexei_987 | eglynn: currently it's not running on gate | 15:10 |
| gordc | eglynn: sorry, missed your message. um... i was just riffing on ideas. we can pull it out if it looks scary. | 15:11 |
| Alexei_987 | eglynn: cause we don't have proper mongodb version | 15:11 |
| eglynn | Alexei_987: ... so I think it would be really useful to be able to run it selectively | 15:11 |
| gordc | it's not so much deprecation... more that i assume there's some overhead involved in creating a model from table. | 15:11 |
| Alexei_987 | eglynn: Ok in such case I'll change some of my patches to support that | 15:11 |
| eglynn | gordc: ... yeah, it might raise temperatures a tad on the TC ;) | 15:11 |
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| eglynn | Alexei_987: excellent, thank you sir! | 15:12 |
| Alexei_987 | eglynn: and I plan that we'll run such tests on separate jenkins jobs | 15:12 |
| eglynn | Alexei_987: yeap, that makes sense to me | 15:12 |
| gordc | eglynn: gone. | 15:12 |
| jd__ | having the tests running and working against MySQL and PostgreSQL would be a great first step… | 15:12 |
| gordc | i'll keep it in back of my mind. | 15:12 |
| jd__ | before thinking about spliting | 15:12 |
| Alexei_987 | jd__: they are running for me :) | 15:12 |
| eglynn | gordc: cool :) | 15:12 |
| jd__ | Alexei_987: ok great, sit tight, I'm putting you in production then | 15:13 |
| Alexei_987 | jd__: I'll upload my patches after a small rework | 15:13 |
| Alexei_987 | jd__: since I need to change migration that you've -2'ed | 15:13 |
| jd__ | cool | 15:13 |
| eglynn | jd__, Alexei_987: cool, I don't doubt the value of direct testing against real DBs | 15:14 |
| jd__ | hopefully :) | 15:14 |
| eglynn | ... /me would have loved to have that facility when working on the selectable aggregates | 15:14 |
| jd__ | heh | 15:14 |
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| _nadya_ | eglynn: nice! less then 10 minutes :) | 20:37 |
| eglynn | _nadya_: yeap, there's gotta be a catch! | 20:37 |
| eglynn | ... /me was expecting more of a grilling | 20:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alexei Kornienko proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: Made get_engine method module-private https://review.openstack.org/87804 | 22:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Alexei Kornienko proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: Replaced CONF object with url in storage engine creation https://review.openstack.org/87805 | 22:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alexei Kornienko proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: Removed StorageEngine class and it's hierarchy https://review.openstack.org/87812 | 23:18 |
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