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| DinaBelova | eglynn, o/ | 08:03 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, good morning sir :) | 08:03 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: hola! | 08:03 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, may you take a look on the https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101558/ when you'll have some time? | 08:04 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, your comments were fixed :) | 08:04 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: cool, I'll give it another pass shortly | 08:04 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, thank you sir :) | 08:04 |
| eglynn | np! :) | 08:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Abhishek Lekshmanan proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: Fix typos in code comments & docstrings https://review.openstack.org/104444 | 08:48 |
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| eglynn | nsaje: ... so my money is on option #1 methinks | 09:50 |
| eglynn | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105467/3/specs/juno/arithmetic-transformer.rst | 09:50 |
| eglynn | nsaje: but I think no need to delete the options discussion from the BP, still useful to capture that | 09:51 |
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| nsaje | eglynn: ok! | 09:55 |
| nsaje | eglynn: it's the most straightforward to implement as well | 09:56 |
| eglynn | nsaje: thats always a bonus! :) | 09:57 |
| nsaje | even though I have a working implementation for #2 atm :-) | 09:57 |
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| eglynn | nsaje: ... beware the sunk-cost fallacy! ;) | 09:57 |
| eglynn | nsaje: so if you wanna just clean up the "[INPUT NEEDED]" tag etc., that spec should be pretty much ready to fly IMO | 09:58 |
| nsaje | eglynn: haha, had to google that! Not an issue, just cut&pasting a few lines somewhere else | 09:59 |
| eglynn | cool :) | 09:59 |
| nsaje | eglynn: I'll clean up the spec asap and upload the WIP patch soon | 10:00 |
| eglynn | nsaje: cool, thank you sir! | 10:00 |
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| nsaje | eglynn: about NaN handling - can a sample have a NaN volume or should we just not emit the sample and log a warning? | 10:02 |
| eglynn | nsaje: the latter I think, discard and warn | 10:03 |
| nsaje | eglynn: ok | 10:03 |
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| eglynn | nsaje: point was the eval code will have to be defensive (arguable whether that needs to be called out in the spec, or just bourne in mind for the impl) | 10:04 |
| nsaje | eglynn: what exactly do you mean by defensive? | 10:05 |
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| nsaje | eglynn: I took a similar approach as you in ScalingTransformer, whilst checking for NaN and exceptions as wel | 10:06 |
| eglynn | nsaje: just meant that the code should be aware of the potential for a divide-by-zero in the eval expr and handle the resulting exceptions gracefully | 10:07 |
| eglynn | nsaje: ... which it sounds like you're already doing :) | 10:07 |
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| cdent | eglynn: just to quickly say: I'm not taking tomorrow off. Too sore for the long drive in the car. | 10:10 |
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| eglynn | cdent: ouch! ... jpich was just discussing neurofen-sandwiches on another channel, maybe she should send a few your way ;) | 10:14 |
| cdent_ | :) | 10:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nejc Saje proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer-specs: Arithmetic transformer spec https://review.openstack.org/105467 | 10:18 |
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| idegtiarov | eglynn: Hi! Could you clarify your comment about scenario tests for my patch: "Eoghan Glynn1:04 PM | 10:36 |
| idegtiarov | Could the get_events call in the scenario test not simply be wrapped in a list comprehension or some such approach?" :) | 10:36 |
| eglynn | idegtiarov: it was in relation to your point "Tests require an iterator (not generator) from get_events" | 10:38 |
| eglynn | idegtiarov: i.e. if the test is imposing an expectation on the storage driver that the API layer doesn't actually need to impose | 10:38 |
| eglynn | idegtiarov: ... then simply change the test so that it can handle a generator-style interaction | 10:39 |
| eglynn | idegtiarov: ... have I missed the point ^^^? | 10:39 |
| idegtiarov | eglynn: :) I think I get what you mean! Thanks | 10:41 |
| eglynn | idegtiarov: cool :) ... apols for the lack of clarity | 10:41 |
| idegtiarov | eglynn: not now some other questions are waiting for their turn. | 10:42 |
| idegtiarov | eglynn: I registered a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1339626 to improve events method in other backends | 10:43 |
| eglynn | idegtiarov: cool, can we target that at j-2 also? | 10:44 |
| idegtiarov | eglynn: yep! I think | 10:44 |
| eglynn | idegtiarov: thank you sir! | 10:44 |
| eglynn | idegtiarov: ... so with that bug assumed, I think the mongodb events are good to land | 10:45 |
| idegtiarov | eglynn: and I have found that in sqla get_events have traits filter without possibility to choose comparison operator for traits should it be added? | 10:46 |
| eglynn | idegtiarov: do you mean, should it be captured in a separate bug and target'd at j-2 also? | 10:47 |
| eglynn | idegtiarov: ... yeah sounds like it should | 10:47 |
| idegtiarov | eglynn: thanks. I will prepare new patch with nits improvements and push it to review | 10:47 |
| eglynn | idegtiarov: cool, ping me when that's ready and I'll re-apply my +2 | 10:48 |
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| idegtiarov | eglynn: thank you sir! | 10:48 |
| idegtiarov | eglynn: and the last question about get_event method in sqla their we use a dict event_models_dict to collect all events from query, do we really need it, may be it would better to used their generation style too? | 10:50 |
| eglynn | idegtiarov: yes, I would prefer generator style if possible, I don't know wether there was a specific reason why sqla did it that | 10:52 |
| eglynn | idegtiarov: ... maybe a search in the gerrit fossil-record might give some clues? | 10:52 |
| idegtiarov | eglynn: I don't know if it is possible but will think about it and try to propose a solution in patch to bug I have mentioned above. | 10:55 |
| eglynn | idegtiarov: cool, thanks! | 10:55 |
| idegtiarov | eglynn: now ...apols ... for luck discussion!!! :) | 10:56 |
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| nsaje | eglynn: one more question: is it possible for meters from one resource to have different user and project IDs? If so, do we add a mandatory option specifying which meter's IDs the new meter will have? | 11:04 |
| eglynn | nsaje: in practice it would never happen AFAIK | 11:05 |
| nsaje | eglynn: great | 11:06 |
| eglynn | nsaje: ... we've kept varying degrees of flexibility on that point in the drivers etc., but IINM that flexibility is unecessary in practice | 11:06 |
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| nsaje | eglynn: what about just keying the cache by user-project-resource and remove the ambiguity? | 11:09 |
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| eglynn | nsaje: well, prolly suffice to just follow what the rate of change transformer does from a cahce-key PoV? | 11:11 |
| eglynn | ... https://github.com/openstack/ceilometer/blob/master/ceilometer/transformer/conversions.py#L139 | 11:12 |
| eglynn | ... or else change both to follow a consistent approach | 11:12 |
| nsaje | eglynn: rate of change is concerned with only one meter | 11:12 |
| eglynn | nsaje: sure, but it assumes that the subsequent samples for the same resource are associated with the same user & project, right? | 11:13 |
| eglynn | nsaje: ... that's what I meant | 11:13 |
| nsaje | eglynn: true, but we can have multiple meters coming in at the *same* time, with possibly different user ids | 11:14 |
| eglynn | nsaje: for the same resource? | 11:14 |
| nsaje | possibly :-) I don't think it's technically impossible | 11:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Igor Degtiarov proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: [Mongodb] Implement events on Mongodb and DB2 https://review.openstack.org/101558 | 11:15 |
| nsaje | eglynn: I see AggregatorTransformer does key its cache by everything that's not being aggregated by | 11:17 |
| nsaje | eglynn: so I think that's what I should do in this case as well | 11:17 |
| idegtiarov | eglynn: patch 4 is on board | 11:17 |
| eglynn | nsaje: the rate-of-change transformer logic assumes that this impossibility never arises in practice | 11:17 |
| eglynn | nsaje: ... otherwise a cpu_util sample for project P1 could be derived from samples "owned" by projects P1 & P2 | 11:19 |
| idegtiarov | I mean patch 5 :) | 11:19 |
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| nsaje | eglynn: ok, you're right | 11:24 |
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| eglynn | nsaje: if you think it's a possibility that should be accounted for, then feel free to change the cache key to a user-proj-res-id combo for both rate-of-change and arithmetic | 11:26 |
| eglynn | ... as long as both are consistent, /me is agnostic :) | 11:26 |
| nsaje | eglynn: no, you changed my mind. Samples are tied to a resource anyway, other ids don't really matter :-) | 11:27 |
| eglynn | cool :) | 11:27 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn, about the https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104863/ - what'll we do with it? | 11:46 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: I've a topic on the meeting agenda to discuss http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/039733.html | 11:47 |
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| DinaBelova | yeah, ok | 11:48 |
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| cdent | eglynn: you about for a quick rubber duck on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104460/ (the other ipmi spec)? | 12:19 |
| eglynn | cdent: yep, I'll put it on my list | 12:19 |
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| cdent | No, I meant some chat/qs here and now | 12:20 |
| cdent | It's occurred to me that the ironic doesn't directly scale, whereas this other proposal could | 12:21 |
| cdent | s/ironic/ironic proposed way/ | 12:21 |
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| prad | can i please get some core reviews on these specs https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95779/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95781/ | 14:04 |
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| eglynn | cdent: "It's occurred to me that the ironic doesn't directly scale" <--- not sure what you meant by that? | 14:28 |
| eglynn | cdent: i.e. a scaling problem inherent in the Ironic archiecture, or in the ironic->ceilometer interaction? | 14:28 |
| cdent | the latter, i tried to clarify in my follow up substition string | 14:28 |
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| cdent | basically the proposal is for the ironic conductor to do an ipmi poll of the registered nodes | 14:29 |
| cdent | which can be in the thousands and ipmitool is _slow_ | 14:29 |
| tomoiaga | I see that ceilometer-client accepts a token as a parameter. However it needs the actual parameter to be callable or it will use lambda on it. Any particular reason for this ? (I have a problem where I pass auth_token from keystoneclient which is decorated with @property, and this doesn't work) | 14:30 |
| eglynn | cdent: s/conductor/conductor*s*/ | 14:31 |
| eglynn | cdent: ... i.e. conductors plural | 14:32 |
| cdent | yes, okay, bu tthose conductors still have to fan out their queries to nodes, yes? | 14:32 |
| cdent | and if so, if there are multiple conductors the various conductors have to coordinate who is querying who | 14:33 |
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| eglynn | cdent: ironic has a scheme based on a consistent hash-ring for allocating reponsibility for a disjoint subset of nodes to each running conductor | 14:35 |
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| cdent | that's great. I'm not trying to point out that it is no good, but rather that it is complex | 14:36 |
| cdent | and when evaluating any solution anything that is more dumb gets bonus points | 14:36 |
| eglynn | cdent: TBH I'm not fully getting it ... is the issue that ironic doesn't scale, or that it does scale but in too complex a way? | 14:39 |
| cdent | Based on your comments, I can refine my originally naive statement to something more correct: The ironic stuff can scale, but does in a way that is complex (leaving off the "too" as maybe it just has to), so the other proposal may have some merit as a generic tool. | 14:40 |
| eglynn | cdent: the other proposal is to have another ceilometer agent on every node that directly emits a metering message onto AMQP for the ceilometer conductor to consume? | 14:43 |
| cdent | That is what that proposal _should_ be, but they haven't quite reached that point in its evolution yet... | 14:43 |
| cdent | I don't like there being yet another agent, not at all, but it has one critical benefit: | 14:44 |
| cdent | nothing but that node needs to know about the addition of the node in order for the ipmi data from that node to be added to the metering store | 14:44 |
| eglynn | cdent: does the proposal speak to how this new ceilometer IPMI agent get installed onto a newly provisioned node? | 14:46 |
| cdent | Only in hand wavy kind of way | 14:46 |
| cdent | but presumably it would be a part of, what do they call them, the golden image? | 14:47 |
| * cdent doesn't know | 14:48 | |
| eglynn | cdent: a golden image with static AMQP config? ... or a image built specifically for this datacenter with the appropriate IP addrs in the ceilometer.conf? | 14:49 |
| cdent | srsly, I have no idea | 14:49 |
| cdent | the spec is right there, it doesn't say | 14:49 |
| cdent | but compute nodes are built with the nova notifier on it, so presumably it is possible | 14:50 |
| cdent | where "it" is "getting some software talking to the message bug" | 14:51 |
| eglynn | "nova notifier"? ... do you mean the nova-compute service? | 14:52 |
| cdent | yes, the thing on each compute node that dumps notifications on the bus | 14:52 |
| cdent | please keep in mind that I still have mostly no idea how any of this works, I'm just guessing from the limited amount I've been able to extract from code and docs | 14:53 |
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| eglynn | cdent: k, let's park this discussion for the mo' as the team meeting is coming up | 14:56 |
| eglynn | cdent: ... then I'm on the hook for some urgent downstream work that needs to be squared before EoD | 14:56 |
| eglynn | cdent: ... let's resume tmrw AM, say? | 14:56 |
| cdent | yeah, sure, although, I'm not sure what goal we are trying to satisfy? | 14:57 |
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| eglynn | cdent: what goal we're trying to satisfy overall with this ironic work? | 14:59 |
| eglynn | cdent: ... or with this focussed discussion on the IPMI agent proposal? | 14:59 |
| cdent | the latter | 14:59 |
| eglynn | cdent: eh, you started it ... what was your goal? | 14:59 |
| eglynn | cdent: ... redirect to #os-meeting | 15:01 |
| cdent | To get more information about how things worked and what matters and to bounce some ideas off you (thus "rubber duck"), but I feel like I'm being asked to defend a position when I really don't have one (other than a vague agenda of trying to make the system less smart). | 15:01 |
| * cdent nods | 15:01 | |
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| jd__ | ildikov: actually there's a enormous typo in run-tests-mysql.sh lol | 15:27 |
| jd__ | shame on me | 15:27 |
| ildikov | jd__: no worries, it can happen with anyone :) | 15:28 |
| jd__ | fortunately I've only one test failing with MySQL | 15:30 |
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| ildikov | jd__: the problem is that I did not have any quick ideas to solve the issues came after fixing the typos :S | 15:30 |
| jd__ | due to the dumb timestamp precision of mysqlcrap | 15:30 |
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| ildikov | jd__: maybe I have a wrong version of sqlalchemy, I'm not sure now, why I saw the AttributeError | 15:32 |
| jd__ | yep that's weird I didn't see that | 15:33 |
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| ildikov | jd__: yeap, I saw that, I thought that it could be the piece of cake, if I can figure out why the connection is not working with sockets... | 15:33 |
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| jd__ | ildikov: finger crossed patch on the way | 15:47 |
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| ildikov | jd__: is it a new one or you pushed a new patch from what I sent? | 15:47 |
| jd__ | a new one | 15:47 |
| jd__ | 2 actually | 15:48 |
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| ildikov | ok, checking! :) | 15:49 |
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| cdent | yes, NBD = no big deal | 16:03 |
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| asvechnikov | eglynn: Hi, I need to set store_events to True for event test. Where is better do it? | 16:29 |
| eglynn | asvechnikov: look at how the other tests override config | 16:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ildiko Vancsa proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer-specs: Dispatcher for Gnocchi Integration https://review.openstack.org/106088 | 16:36 |
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| eglynn-office | if anyone has a chance to look into why this tempest failure has re-appeared, I'd appreciate it ... goo.gl/DwLMOS | 16:57 |
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| flwang | jd__: ping | 21:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/ceilometer: Remove docutils pin https://review.openstack.org/105625 | 23:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/103029 | 23:50 |
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