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| eglynn | ildikov, DinaBelova: I was brainstorming yesterday evening for some left-field ideas on how we might enabling future integration tests that make assertions about polling | 09:05 |
| eglynn | (given the QA team's opposition to ceilo agent restarts with modified interval config) | 09:05 |
| ildikov | eglynn: shoot :) | 09:05 |
| eglynn | context: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/040434.html | 09:06 |
| eglynn | ildikov: k, so here's a wacky idea ... | 09:06 |
| eglynn | why not glom onto a scenario where the *agents are being restarted anyway*? | 09:06 |
| eglynn | esp. where such a scenario involves prior creation of some resources | 09:06 |
| eglynn | (since these resources would then naturally be polled on the *opening* cycle of the restarted agents) | 09:07 |
| eglynn | (regardless of the configured pipeline interval, the first cycle always runs straight off the blocks) | 09:07 |
| ildikov | so you mean that do not reconfigure them, just restart at the right moment? | 09:07 |
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| _nadya_ | eglynn: hi! I'm trying to come back :) Does anyone try to run tests with 1 min polling? maybe it's not so terrible? | 09:08 |
| eglynn | ildikov: well suppose we already had some tests that: start services - create some resources - stop services - restart services - make assertions about those resources | 09:09 |
| ildikov | _nadya_: it puts too high pressure on Nova API | 09:09 |
| ildikov | _nadya_: so 1 min polling cycle is lready rejected | 09:09 |
| eglynn | _nadya_: QA didn't like the load on the API services and the volume of logging generated, so reverted to 600s | 09:09 |
| eglynn | ildikov: so it turns out we do actually have exactly that scenario above | 09:10 |
| ildikov | eglynn: it's fine with me, QA will not be a great fan of this either, but at least there is no config change... | 09:10 |
| eglynn | ildikov: in the grenade/javelin tests | 09:10 |
| eglynn | ildikov: ... so there's nothing new for QA not to be a fan of :) | 09:11 |
| ildikov | eglynn: ok, I just wanted to ask that where we have this already | 09:11 |
| ildikov | eglynn: cool :) | 09:11 |
| _nadya_ | ildikov: yes, I see that 1-min interval is already blocked, just clarify | 09:11 |
| ildikov | eglynn: will drop a mail to that thread about this, or let's bring this to the QA channe this afternoon? | 09:11 |
| eglynn | ildikov: ... other than us kinda mis-using javelin for our own nefarious purposes ;) | 09:12 |
| eglynn | ... cue evil-laugh :) | 09:12 |
| ildikov | _nadya_: sure, and well, that would be the easiest, but sadly it will not be accepted :( | 09:12 |
| ildikov | _nadya_: and welcome back :) | 09:13 |
| ildikov | eglynn: LOL :) | 09:13 |
| eglynn | ildikov: well, I'd prefer to ease them into the idea and get the initial ceilo javelin checks landed first | 09:13 |
| eglynn | i.e. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102354/ | 09:13 |
| eglynn | we could then expand on the checks in that patch to cover more meters | 09:13 |
| eglynn | I think it should work for most meters, with the possible exception of cpu_util | 09:14 |
| ildikov | eglynn: yeap, sure, sounds like a plan :) | 09:14 |
| eglynn | (since that derived meter needs *two* sucessive cpu samples before a cpu_util sample is produced, so ony occurs on the second cycle) | 09:15 |
| eglynn | ildikov: k, cool ... one less nasty topic to deal with :) | 09:15 |
| ildikov | eglynn: (yeap, that is the one that would need the reconf...) | 09:15 |
| eglynn | ildikov: yeap, so maybe we live without that | 09:15 |
| eglynn | (i.e. without asserting on that meter) | 09:16 |
| ildikov | eglynn: did you get any answer yesterday on the docco channel or to that mail? | 09:16 |
| eglynn | ildikov: tumbleweeds :( | 09:16 |
| ildikov | eglynn: we would like to test polling, transformations is a different topic IMHO | 09:16 |
| ildikov | eglynn: ... so it seems fine to me | 09:16 |
| ildikov | eglynn: :( | 09:16 |
| eglynn | ildikov: yep :( indeed ... not a peep on this thread http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2014-July/004935.html | 09:17 |
| eglynn | ildikov: also the #os-doc channel isn't even logged http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/ so I can't check for any responses after I left IRC yesterday | 09:18 |
| eglynn | ildikov: ... not that it's likely there were any TBH | 09:18 |
| ildikov | eglynn: nothing after you left | 09:19 |
| eglynn | why are some projects so weird about logging their IRC? (... #os-nova is the same) | 09:19 |
| eglynn | _nadya_: where are my manners today?! ... welcome back! :) | 09:19 |
| _nadya_ | eglynn: ildikov: guys, do you remember this https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/run-all-pollsters-on-demand ? | 09:20 |
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| ildikov | eglynn: I don't know, I realised it yesterday too that some channels do not have logs available... :S | 09:20 |
| eglynn | _nadya_: yeah, we rejected that idea because it would lead to the test mechanism being tested as opposed to the actual mechanism being used in production | 09:20 |
| _nadya_ | eglynn: thanks :) | 09:20 |
| _nadya_ | eglynn: I just decided to remind you about it, it may help in current situation | 09:22 |
| eglynn | _nadya_: cool, thanks ... yeah IIRC we discussed this briefly again at the mid-cycle meetup and came to the same conclusion | 09:22 |
| ildikov | _nadya_: it came up in the last mail thread too, it's just still far from an optimal solution :( | 09:23 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, /me reading the backlog | 09:30 |
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| yasukun | Hello folks, | 09:39 |
| yasukun | I've faced strange phenomena with using ceilometer-api. | 09:40 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, so the tricky idea is to fit the polling tests to the scenario of new polling cycle? Like some resource created - new cycle starts - let's poll - let's assert | 09:40 |
| yasukun | It seems that ceilometer api got fragmented request, ceilometer-api freeze. | 09:42 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: we already have an obvious check-point in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102354/7/tempest/cmd/javelin.py line 258 | 09:42 |
| yasukun | Anyone know this issue? | 09:42 |
| eglynn | yasukun: fragmented? ... do you mean using the HTTP chunked-encoding? | 09:42 |
| yasukun | eglynn: TCP level fragmentation. | 09:44 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: the point is that agent-restart is a natural part of existing workflow in that case, and occurs *after* the resources have been created, so we don't have to wait around for a new cycle | 09:45 |
| eglynn | yasukun: hmmm, I would have thought in that case that the reassembly of the fragemented datagrams occurs at a layer way below the ceilometer-api service | 09:46 |
| eglynn | yasukun: are you sure it's not freezing for other reasons? | 09:46 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, sorry, /me a little bit out of context with javelin :) /me trying to understand :) | 09:46 |
| eglynn | yasukun: ... do you have a repeatable testcase? | 09:47 |
| eglynn | yasukun: ... if so, can you file a bug? | 09:47 |
| eglynn | yasukun: ... thanks! | 09:47 |
| yasukun | using curl command. If a request is sent from ceilmeter local, it's fine. but if a reques is sent from remote host, it's not fine. I captured packets about both and it seems there is only difference on fragmentation. | 09:47 |
| yasukun | Don't see such phenomena even though request via long or small MTU network? | 09:49 |
| yasukun | Don't you see? | 09:49 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/ceilometer: Fix dict and set order related issues in tests https://review.openstack.org/109994 | 09:53 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, sorry, I can't get the point actually >_< so-o-o here we'll assume that some resources have been created before the polling test will start | 09:54 |
| DinaBelova | ? | 09:54 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, sorry if that's stupid question | 09:55 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, I lost a little bit the idea | 09:55 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: no need to assume, that's actually happens currently | 09:56 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: see resource creation triggered from https://github.com/openstack/tempest/blob/master/tempest/cmd/javelin.py#L558 | 09:57 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, I'm just trying to understand how does the action sequence will look here - so the javelin will create the set of resources and then (while the test that will actually check the polling work) we'll check them? | 09:59 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: the sequence is as above ... 1. start services 2. create some resources 3. stop services 4. upgrade cloud 5. restart services 6. make assertions about those resources | 10:01 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: the point is to expand step #6 to add some additional assertions about the meters we expect to have gathered for the resources created | 10:02 |
| DinaBelova | a-ha, so the idea is to use javelin instead of scenario testing | 10:02 |
| DinaBelova | I simply misunderstood the idea - I was trying to understand how we'll assume upgrade was run before the scenario test | 10:03 |
| DinaBelova | sorry | 10:03 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: np, yeap that's what I meant by glomming onto a scenario where the agents are being restarted anyway | 10:06 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: i.e. scenario != "tempest scenario test", in that context | 10:07 |
| DinaBelova | okay, that mght work really for the QA team I guess.. | 10:07 |
| DinaBelova | ok, ok, gotha | 10:07 |
| DinaBelova | gotcha* | 10:07 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: yeah, it might ... more so anyway than the in-test agent restart idea, that Matt has roundly rejected | 10:08 |
| DinaBelova | yes, indeed | 10:08 |
| ildikov | eglynn: DinaBelova: it's not that good that we have to be this tricky to get a functionality tested, but the point is still on testing so I really hope that this idea will work out finally to have smth to start with | 10:10 |
| DinaBelova | ildikov, well, yes, that probably will work here | 10:11 |
| eglynn | ildikov: pragmatically put :) | 10:11 |
| ildikov | eglynn: :) | 10:11 |
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| boris-42 | eglynn-commute eglynn-officeafk hi there=) | 12:14 |
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| cdent | hey DinaBelova in your comment on 104794 do you mean "exposed" where you used "introduced"? | 13:49 |
| DinaBelova | cdent, moment, lloking | 13:49 |
| DinaBelova | cdent, a-ha | 13:49 |
| DinaBelova | cdent, _nadya_ found this issue today | 13:49 |
| DinaBelova | that that change in the master currently leads to the erorr | 13:50 |
| DinaBelova | error* | 13:50 |
| cdent | Yes, but that change in master is okay, but the problem is that the happy stuff is not unicode safe, yes? | 13:50 |
| cdent | Or am I misunderstanding? | 13:50 |
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| DinaBelova | cdent, probably yeah, you're right | 13:51 |
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| cdent | that's the trouble with unicode handling: you wiggle something over here and something way over there goes boom | 13:52 |
| DinaBelova | the problem is that without that stuff it was ok, now it's not and actually that change was needed to be tested better before merging to the master :D | 13:52 |
| * DinaBelova crying :D | 13:52 | |
| cdent | indeed | 13:52 |
| DinaBelova | cdent, I've added the comment just for the people's interest | 13:53 |
| DinaBelova | to make that problem visible actually | 13:53 |
| cdent | cool, just wanted to make sure I understood it correctly | 13:53 |
| boris-42 | eglynn hi | 13:53 |
| eglynn | boris-42: 'sup? | 13:55 |
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| boris-42 | eglynn did you seen rally incubation proposal thread?) | 13:56 |
| eglynn | boris-42: I read up to Sean's objections on the basis that this should be subsumed into QA | 13:57 |
| eglynn | boris-42: ... what there more interesting stuff beyond that? | 13:57 |
| boris-42 | eglynn I change mission statement=) | 13:57 |
| boris-42 | eglynn and name | 13:57 |
| boris-42 | eglynn and there is more stuff for popcorn | 13:57 |
| boris-42 | =) | 13:57 |
| eglynn | boris-42: was the name part of the objection? | 13:58 |
| eglynn | boris-42: k, I'll take a look | 13:58 |
| boris-42 | eglynn actually there are some ideas about putting rally to telemetry program | 13:58 |
| boris-42 | =) | 13:58 |
| eglynn | boris-42: right, I'll definitely take a look in that case | 13:58 |
| eglynn | boris-42: isn't this on the agenda for the next TC meeting | 13:59 |
| eglynn | ? | 13:59 |
| boris-42 | eglynn it is | 13:59 |
| boris-42 | eglynn so the question is QA/TrippleO/Telemety or new program | 13:59 |
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| eglynn-office | boris-42: and your preference is what, new? | 14:02 |
| boris-42 | eglynn-office new or extending telemetry | 14:02 |
| boris-42 | eglynn we are going to present user API | 14:02 |
| boris-42 | eglynn so QA doesn't work for us at all | 14:02 |
| eglynn-office | boris-42: ok, I'll review the thread today | 14:03 |
| boris-42 | eglynn-office thank you | 14:04 |
| eglynn-office | boris-42: np! | 14:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nejc Saje proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer-specs: Central agent horizontal scaling spec https://review.openstack.org/110985 | 14:54 |
| nsaje | eglynn-office, fabiog: ^^^ alternative very simple tooz-based horizontal scaling of central agent | 14:55 |
| nsaje | it's a draft, not yet complete, but I wanted to get something up before the meeting | 14:55 |
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| nsaje | eglynn: ^^^ | 14:55 |
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| eglynn | nsaje: thanks you sir! | 14:58 |
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| DinaBelova | nsaje, hehe, you're quick :) | 14:59 |
| DinaBelova | just mins before the meeting :) | 14:59 |
| nsaje | DinaBelova: yeah, my fingers are still on fire :) | 15:00 |
| DinaBelova | :D | 15:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Eugeniya Kudryashova proposed a change to openstack/python-ceilometerclient: Use HTTPClient from common Oslo code https://review.openstack.org/68939 | 16:00 |
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| DinaBelova | jd__, with tooz? | 16:02 |
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| DinaBelova | not to smap there | 16:02 |
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| DinaBelova | 'happy hacking' I mean | 16:03 |
| DinaBelova | where does this work is in progress now? | 16:03 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, ^^ | 16:03 |
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| DinaBelova | jd__, please type something here :) I need to go afk, I'll read the backlog | 16:04 |
| fabiog | all: poll for Tue meeting here: http://doodle.com/e5g6t6aufyuexish | 16:04 |
| fabiog | please send an email to fabio.giannetti@hp.com if you want to be added to the meeting. Thanks | 16:05 |
| jd__ | DinaBelova: it's working :) | 16:05 |
| fabiog | jd__: you can use Pacemaker and Corosync and no code changes to have Central Agent in HA | 16:06 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, hehe, where? | 16:06 |
| DinaBelova | in tooz? :) | 16:06 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, in tooz? | 16:06 |
| DinaBelova | I mean currently it looks like in tooz there is leader election, like passive agents waiting for the master failure | 16:07 |
| DinaBelova | oh, definitely afk | 16:08 |
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| fabiog | DinaBelova: in Pacemaker you can create an Active/Passive cluster and register Central Agent under it. When one fails, the other takes over | 16:09 |
| fabiog | and vice-versa | 16:09 |
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| eglynn | fabiog: what TZ are those doodle times based on? | 16:15 |
| fabiog | PDT | 16:15 |
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| fabiog | I put PDT times there | 16:15 |
| eglynn | k, UTC-7:00 | 16:16 |
| nsaje | doodle doesn't have TZ support? what a shame | 16:16 |
| nsaje | a perfect use case for that :) | 16:16 |
| fabiog | eglynn: the idea is to have the meeting on Tuesday at the same time the Ceilometer Meeting, which should be kind of ok for everybody from a time point of vuew | 16:18 |
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| ildikov | fabiog: I would be happy an earlier or a later one, I have a meeting at that time slot, but I will try to skip, if that will be the final decision | 16:25 |
| fabiog | ildikov: there are three times options, same time as Ceilometer Meeting, 1hr earlier and 1hr later | 16:27 |
| fabiog | ildikow: is a problem of day or time? | 16:27 |
| ildikov | fabiog: on Tue the same time as the Ceilo meeting I have another one, so I will fill the doddle form according to this | 16:28 |
| ildikov | fabiog: so thanks for asking, I think I'm not a hard constraint here, and I will try to figure smth out if the Ceilo metting time slot wins :) | 16:28 |
| ildikov | fabiog: I need to run now, ttyl | 16:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Eric Pendergrass proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: Remove Sample data from Resource metadata field https://review.openstack.org/109598 | 17:02 |
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| jd__ | DinaBelova: yeah but you need a master anyway, then task repartition is more likely taskflow problem | 17:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | gordon chung proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer-specs: 'big-data' sql part 2 https://review.openstack.org/101009 | 17:14 |
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| jonbell | Hello all, while in the process of deploying multinode openstack, I have hit this error on the compute node: “Execution of '/usr/sbin/usermod -G ceilometer,nobody,nova ceilometer' returned 6: usermod: group 'nova' does not exist”. When I tried running the command manually on the node, it passes. I would greatly appreciate it if someone could suggest a log to look in for clues to why the command is failing | 18:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pradeep Kilambi proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: Support for per disk volume measurements https://review.openstack.org/111038 | 18:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | gordon chung proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: Debug env for tox https://review.openstack.org/110707 | 19:11 |
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| gordc | cdent: i'm creating an etherpad... your questions have made me actually focused on this issue. :) | 20:04 |
| gordc | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ceilometer-big-data-pt2 | 20:04 |
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| * cdent looks | 20:05 | |
| cdent | that makes somewhat more sense but doesn't jive with one of the goals from the v3 talks: duplication of metadata | 20:06 |
| cdent | it seems to be that if you want to normalize all the way there would be a resource_metadata table which takes upserts | 20:06 |
| cdent | But at the same time I'm under the impression that works against some earlier goals, gordc ? | 20:07 |
| gordc | cdent: right. so that's actually outside scope of this spec. (the updating of metadata) | 20:08 |
| cdent | fair | 20:08 |
| gordc | we talked about doing an EAV solution to handle it properly... so for time being we're going to have to live with a unqiue metadata per sample | 20:08 |
| cdent | It gets a bit hard to keep track of scope :) | 20:08 |
| gordc | where that metadata lives is part of this spec. | 20:08 |
| gordc | i originally planned it to be in resource table but than we have 2 tables that are huge (when really it's just the field changing) | 20:09 |
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| gordc | the questoin is. whether or not the etherpad design improves querying... it adds joins but we do remove the redundancy of user/project/source columns in sample table from current schema. | 20:11 |
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| cdent | do you have code available that makes it relatively easy to make and destroy sample tables, or are you using (or planning to use) actual implementation? | 20:13 |
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| gordc | cdent: like a small sandbox environment? no. i haven't started anything yet but i'd be implementing it straight into ceilometer's code when i do. | 20:14 |
| cdent | cool, just curious | 20:15 |
| cdent | Unfortunately I've got to dash but I'll be back on to look at the etherpad and the spec relatively early morning utc tomorrow | 20:16 |
| cdent | good luck! :) | 20:16 |
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| gordc | cool cool. | 20:17 |
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| flwang | dhellmann_: ping | 21:26 |
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