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| flwang1 | gordc: ping | 02:14 |
| gordc | flwang1: whatsup? | 02:14 |
| flwang1 | gordc: is there any way adding a customized pollster without restart ceilometer? | 02:15 |
| flwang1 | gordc: or I have to restart the central agent? thanks | 02:18 |
| gordc | flwang1: hmm... i'm thinking about it now that we have HA and discovery set up. | 02:19 |
| gordc | flwang1: i'd need to confirm this but you might be able to do it by spawning a second central agent... | 02:19 |
| gordc | but i do not believe it's possible if it's just a single central agent. | 02:20 |
| flwang1 | gordc: ah, I can see your point | 02:20 |
| gordc | it's actually a use case i've never thought of so i can't say 100%. good question though. | 02:21 |
| flwang1 | gordc: we're depending on ceilometer for billing | 02:23 |
| flwang1 | but we can't 100% trust the notifications of openstack | 02:23 |
| flwang1 | so we need some pollster to complete/correct the metrics we collected to make sure no surprise for customer's bill | 02:24 |
| flwang1 | gordc: however, based on current strategy, seems ceilometer won't add more pollsters if the metric can be collected by notification | 02:25 |
| flwang1 | so that's why we have to cook something by ourselves | 02:25 |
| gordc | flwang1: so you'd want a pollster to poll for same metric as notification to verify or a pollster that checks ceilometer's db? | 02:26 |
| flwang1 | we want a pollster for verify/confirm the data is there and correct | 02:27 |
| gordc | i think notifications is the preferred method... are you referring to this nbp: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104784/ | 02:27 |
| flwang1 | nope | 02:28 |
| gordc | flwang1: so say we built a meter from nova notification, you would want a pollster to call nova api to verify? | 02:28 |
| flwang1 | yep | 02:28 |
| flwang1 | and you know, sometimes we may lost the notification and based on current implement, there is no way to get it | 02:29 |
| flwang1 | there are many scenarios may cause the problem | 02:29 |
| gordc | flwang1: i see.. yeah, it's similar reasoning as the bp i just linked... they wanted to add pollster as a secondary check of something we typically get from notifications. | 02:30 |
| flwang1 | 1. the notification can't be sent from the source | 02:30 |
| flwang1 | 2. the notification may fail to write into database by ceilometer | 02:30 |
| flwang1 | gordc: TBH, I think the original mission of ceilometer is using to collect metrics for billing | 02:31 |
| gordc | flwang1: i wouldn't say ceilometer is completely against this. i think the idea needs to be explored a bit more (ie. if we can just get it via polling, when to allow both... also, how to make it so we're not overloading apis) | 02:31 |
| flwang1 | gordc: exactly, I have mentioned that with eglynn | 02:32 |
| gordc | i think based on some tests are polling was creating massive load on the apis we're calling and it's something we definitely need to consider when adding more polling | 02:32 |
| flwang1 | I would like to see a more flexible pollster mechanism | 02:33 |
| gordc | what do you mean by flexible? something that polls based on staleness of data? on demand polling? | 02:33 |
| flwang1 | gordc: on demand polling is one of my points | 02:34 |
| gordc | flwang1: i definitely wouldn't want somehting that blindly polls at interval for exact same metrics as notifications... not unless there was a great reason for it. | 02:35 |
| flwang1 | I totally agree with you from a developer view :) | 02:35 |
| flwang1 | but | 02:35 |
| flwang1 | we also need to consider from the operations view | 02:35 |
| gordc | i think we considered on demand polling (especially to help with tempest test). i don't think we ever saw it through since we had bigger fires. | 02:35 |
| flwang1 | TBH, I wonder who is using ceilometer in production environment and how they use the data of ceilometer | 02:36 |
| gordc | flwang1: i'd be interested in ops view... would be good to have concrete real world use cases | 02:36 |
| gordc | rather than just stuff we think is useful. | 02:37 |
| gordc | i'm not sure if ceilometer is used in "production" although depending on how you define "production" every project might fall in same boat. | 02:38 |
| flwang1 | maybe I'm totally wrong, but let me try to drop my 2 cents | 02:38 |
| flwang1 | gordc: heh, yep | 02:38 |
| gordc | ceilometer is used... i wouldn't say production scale though. | 02:38 |
| flwang1 | but you know, deployed doesn't mean in-use :) | 02:38 |
| gordc | flwang1: :) i hear you. | 02:39 |
| flwang1 | for ceilometer, I think the key is the metrics data collected by ceilometer | 02:39 |
| gordc | flwang1: but yeah, good to hear your comments and what features we should be adding. | 02:39 |
| gordc | i'm not against on demand polling. or some variation... we'd probably need to work out how and when to use it though. | 02:39 |
| flwang1 | I think one of the mission of CM is collecting data for billing | 02:40 |
| gordc | probably something that we should start working on pre-summit. | 02:40 |
| flwang1 | but, seems most of current giants have their solutions | 02:40 |
| flwang1 | and I'm wondering if they are really depend on ceilometer's data | 02:41 |
| gordc | flwang1: yeah... the giants have their own version of every openstack project. :) | 02:41 |
| flwang1 | it would be great if there is a operations session on summit about how these companies use ceilometer | 02:42 |
| gordc | flwang1: i know it's being played with but a lot of them are in wait and see mode... which is why the contributions you'll notice come mainly from other sources. | 02:42 |
| flwang1 | now the problem we're running into is the data losing and performance | 02:42 |
| flwang1 | gordc: cool, glad to see you have notices this | 02:43 |
| gordc | performance of something specific? | 02:43 |
| flwang1 | as you can see, most of the code contribution are from other companies | 02:43 |
| gordc | i think we can look at/discuss the data losing part next cycle (assuming there is resource) | 02:44 |
| flwang1 | data query need long time | 02:44 |
| flwang1 | ok | 02:45 |
| gordc | flwang1: yeah... we made some improvements there this cycle... definitely more we can improve on but there's also jd__'s work to implement a tsdb backend which should improvement performance. | 02:45 |
| flwang1 | you mean gnoochi? | 02:46 |
| gordc | i think there's also work to describe when/how to archive... that might be something else because i don't really foresee teh ceilometer db to be the final stage of data retnetion.. | 02:46 |
| gordc | flwang1: right gnoochi | 02:46 |
| gordc | flwang1: it's something we're looking at for kilo, jd should be finished the first implementation sometime soon... depending on how that fairs, we'll go from there. | 02:47 |
| flwang1 | cool | 02:47 |
| flwang1 | I will keep an eye on that | 02:47 |
| flwang1 | gordc: thanks a lot for your time | 02:48 |
| gordc | flwang1: np. feel free to comment on the bp or add your own... real use cases are always welcomed... who knows there may be a existing a solution i just don't know about. | 02:49 |
| flwang1 | sure, cheers | 02:50 |
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| flwang1 | gordc: still around | 03:13 |
| flwang1 | ? | 03:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | ZhiQiang Fan proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: rate_of_change should not calculate delta on delta type sample https://review.openstack.org/123320 | 03:35 |
| gordc | flwang1: whoops. didn't see your message | 04:08 |
| flwang1 | gordc: oh, no worries | 04:08 |
| flwang1 | just a simple question | 04:08 |
| flwang1 | gordc: does the CM support multi central agent? | 04:09 |
| gordc | flwang1: yes. it was implemented recently. | 04:10 |
| flwang1 | cool, got it | 04:10 |
| gordc | flwang1: did you need docs on how to set it up? you'll need either memcache/zookeeper configured | 04:12 |
| flwang1 | it would be nice if there is a link :) | 04:12 |
| gordc | let me try digging it up... i'm not sure if we got around to documenting it tbh | 04:13 |
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| gordc | ok i feel like the docs weren't completed yet. | 04:15 |
| gordc | flwang1: you'll basically have to add the following to ceilometer.conf | 04:15 |
| gordc | [coordination] | 04:15 |
| gordc | backend_url = memcached://localhost:11211 | 04:15 |
| gordc | or zookeeper | 04:15 |
| gordc | you can enable multi compute agent by adding compute] | 04:16 |
| gordc | adding: | 04:16 |
| gordc | [compute] | 04:16 |
| gordc | compute] | 04:16 |
| gordc | workload_partitioning = True | 04:16 |
| gordc | sorry bad formatting... got too lazy for paste but here: http://paste.openstack.org/show/114399/ | 04:17 |
| flwang1 | gordc: cool | 04:22 |
| flwang1 | thanks a lot | 04:22 |
| gordc | np | 04:22 |
| flwang1 | gordc: may I know your thought about this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1372733 ? | 04:30 |
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| sileht | /1/1 | 07:37 |
| sileht | jd__, I have a gnocchi question: does having two entities with the same name on a resource have sense ? | 07:39 |
| jd__ | sileht: I don't think so | 07:43 |
| jd__ | sileht: and it's currently not possible | 07:43 |
| sileht | jd__, so I have found a bug :) | 07:46 |
| jd__ | sileht: you'll get a medal :p | 07:47 |
| jd__ | but yeah now that you mention it I don't think it's tested in REST so likely the REST server is currently returning 500 | 07:52 |
| jd__ | wild guess | 07:52 |
| jd__ | the indexer have correct constraints for that in theory | 07:53 |
| sileht | jd__, I have just seen that the sql schema doesn't enforce it, and tests I have written for the 'append entities to a resource' won't works as expected | 07:57 |
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| jd__ | sileht: ah we miss the unique constraint then, too bad :( | 08:22 |
| eglynn | jd__: speaking of which, would it be nice to have a uniqueness constraint on the archive policy names also? | 08:26 |
| eglynn | (not strictly necessary I guess, but might be useful in terms of allowing archive policies to be referenced by name in the API) | 08:27 |
| jd__ | eglynn: I'm making the "errrr" face right now | 08:28 |
| eglynn | jd__: LOL :) | 08:29 |
| jd__ | yeah it would be nice but it's kinda complicated actually | 08:29 |
| jd__ | the archive policies are currently by-user/project | 08:29 |
| jd__ | so we need a unique on (user, project, name) or the like | 08:29 |
| eglynn | a-ha, I see | 08:29 |
| jd__ | which is not so easy to do because user and project are in a different table than the name | 08:29 |
| sileht | jd__, I have added the constraint, it works on postgresql, but not on mysql, mysql refuse to create the table ... | 08:29 |
| jd__ | so it's not impossible but we need to duplicate a column | 08:29 |
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| jd__ | sileht: you likely made a mistake and MySQL is giving you a error message that is useless (happened to me) | 08:30 |
| DinaBelova | sileht, I'm not the SQL expert, but why does it happen? | 08:30 |
| jd__ | sileht: send your patch on Gerrit I can review? | 08:30 |
| * eglynn is momentarily puzzled about the benefit of hiding user A's archive policies from user B | 08:31 | |
| eglynn | ... thinking in terms of the overhead of two users defining the equivalent policies as they can't see that the other user has already defined the same thing | 08:32 |
| jd__ | eglynn: we can also remove that restriction I guess | 08:34 |
| jd__ | but how can a user delete a policy if another one is using it? | 08:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Mehdi Abaakouk proposed a change to stackforge/gnocchi: Allows to append entities to a resource https://review.openstack.org/122344 | 08:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Mehdi Abaakouk proposed a change to stackforge/gnocchi: Add a gnocchi dispatcher https://review.openstack.org/98798 | 08:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Mehdi Abaakouk proposed a change to stackforge/gnocchi: Add uniq constraint for resource/entity_name https://review.openstack.org/123395 | 08:34 |
| sileht | jd__, I have just added that: https://review.openstack.org/123395 | 08:34 |
| jd__ | thanks sileht | 08:34 |
| jd__ | sileht: though I guess you should do separate branch ultimately | 08:34 |
| jd__ | sileht: to have things merged earlier :) | 08:34 |
| eglynn | jd__: how about making archive policy mgmt a purely administrative function? | 08:35 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, eglynn - probably policies should be different and separated, but kind of templates shared /me just lurking around :) | 08:35 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn - oh yeah, how do you propose | 08:35 |
| DinaBelova | or* | 08:36 |
| eglynn | jd__: seeing as the overhead of policy creation could be significant, e.g. the requirement for using an addition Influx database with the continuous downsampling queries for the new policy | 08:36 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: how do I propose making it an admin-only function? | 08:37 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: ... using RBAC roles | 08:37 |
| jd__ | eglynn: that'd be good enough to me for sure | 08:37 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, I meant that it'll be a good variant :) | 08:37 |
| eglynn | jd__: cool :) | 08:37 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, not the question how to impl it :) | 08:37 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: a-ha, sorry! ... /me misunderstood | 08:37 |
| jd__ | I'll change my patches to make it admin only | 08:38 |
| jd__ | that'll probably simplify the data model a bit :) | 08:38 |
| eglynn | jd__: cool, thanks! | 08:38 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, sorry me :D I'm kind of not english-correct sometimes | 08:38 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: nah, my fault, not enough coffee yet this morning to read IRC propely :) | 08:38 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, lol | 08:39 |
| eglynn | or to spell *properly | 08:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Mehdi Abaakouk proposed a change to stackforge/gnocchi: Add uniq constraint for resource/entity_name https://review.openstack.org/123395 | 08:41 |
| sileht | jd__, https://review.openstack.org/123395 | 08:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Mehdi Abaakouk proposed a change to stackforge/gnocchi: Add swift_account resource https://review.openstack.org/122345 | 08:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Mehdi Abaakouk proposed a change to stackforge/gnocchi: Allows to append entities to a resource https://review.openstack.org/122344 | 08:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Mehdi Abaakouk proposed a change to stackforge/gnocchi: Add a gnocchi dispatcher https://review.openstack.org/98798 | 08:41 |
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| sileht | jd__, any idea ? | 09:01 |
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| sileht | jd__, it seems I have to create manually index on id table of resource/instance/... | 09:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to stackforge/gnocchi: Stop using oslo-incubator lockutils https://review.openstack.org/122722 | 09:34 |
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| jd__ | sorry I was in the subway, looking now | 09:34 |
| jd__ | sileht ^ | 09:34 |
| sileht | jd__, I have found the issue | 09:36 |
| sileht | jd__, mysql need explicit index... | 09:36 |
| jd__ | sileht: what is it? | 09:36 |
| jd__ | on a primary key? | 09:36 |
| sileht | jd__, yes ! | 09:36 |
| jd__ | wut? | 09:36 |
| jd__ | facepalm | 09:36 |
| sileht | jd__, I really love this database software ... | 09:36 |
| jd__ | yeah, tell me about it | 09:36 |
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| sileht | jd__, I have a issue with tooz too, it doesn't cleanup the ipc | 09:44 |
| sileht | (with test fail) | 09:44 |
| jd__ | sileht: oh I might forgot to call stop() in tearDown() | 09:44 |
| sileht | jd__, I love the python error msg: 'OSError: [Errno 28] No space left on device' | 09:45 |
| jd__ | hehe | 09:48 |
| jd__ | sileht: well it's more likely the IPC syscall that returns ENOSPC :) | 09:48 |
| sileht | yep | 09:49 |
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| jd__ | eglynn president | 10:00 |
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| pnascimento | hello, quick question: on Ceilometer API when I consume "/v2/meters" with a empty query string the response returns filtered by my "current" user/token provided within the headers of the request? | 10:04 |
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| eglynn | jd__: LOL :) | 10:17 |
| eglynn | pnascimento: only if the calling user/project is non-admin | 10:19 |
| eglynn | pnascimento: in that case you get the tenant segregation | 10:19 |
| eglynn | pnascimento: in the admin case, everything is visible | 10:19 |
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| pnascimento | eglynn: thank you eglynn ;) | 10:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ilya Tyaptin proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: [HBase] Improves speed of unit tests on real HBase backend https://review.openstack.org/115290 | 12:40 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn-lunch, please ping me when you'll be around | 12:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed a change to stackforge/gnocchi: rest: add support for create/get archive policies https://review.openstack.org/123165 | 12:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed a change to stackforge/gnocchi: indexer: store archive policies https://review.openstack.org/117551 | 12:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed a change to stackforge/gnocchi: indexer: remove entities from Entity https://review.openstack.org/122461 | 12:45 |
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| sileht | jd__, If you have any idea on why it works for me but not for gate :( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123395/ | 12:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lena Novokshonova proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: Fix bug in the documentation https://review.openstack.org/123432 | 13:18 |
| jd__ | sileht: easy | 13:21 |
| jd__ | sileht: you override the value of mysql_engine and the gate uses MyISAM by default | 13:21 |
| jd__ | sileht: whereas you need InnoDB | 13:22 |
| sileht | awesome defaut ... | 13:22 |
| sileht | *default* | 13:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lena Novokshonova proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: Fix bug in the documentation https://review.openstack.org/123432 | 13:28 |
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| jd__ | sileht: I think it's been discuted on the list and it's done on purpose for that | 13:31 |
| gordc | jd__: any interest in trimming down the column size of ids: https://github.com/stackforge/gnocchi/blob/master/gnocchi/indexer/sqlalchemy.py#L125-L126 | 13:37 |
| gordc | i know in current sql backend i couldn't build indices because they were too big. | 13:38 |
| sileht | jd__, gotcha, I haven't seen the __table_args__ in GnocchiBase | 13:39 |
| jd__ | gordc: could we switch to UUID instead? | 13:39 |
| gordc | jd__: tbh i haven't tried. they're suppose to be uuid but i know in our current ceilo unit tests we just make up non-sense values. | 13:40 |
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| jd__ | eglynn, sileht , opinion on that ^ ? Having user/project ID as UUID types rather than String | 13:41 |
| jd__ | gordc: I imagine indexing UUID is faster than string? | 13:41 |
| gordc | we can change it to varchar 64 if we want to play it safe. | 13:42 |
| gordc | yeah uuid would be a cleaner, faster, better approach | 13:42 |
| gordc | i dont know if it's tied to the 'contractualise notification' work though. | 13:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Mehdi Abaakouk proposed a change to stackforge/gnocchi: Add uniq constraint for resource/entity_name https://review.openstack.org/123395 | 13:44 |
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| eglynn | jd__: sorry on a call, but yeah UUID seems like a better fit that unecessarily wide string(255) | 14:06 |
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| jd__ | eglynn: ack | 14:11 |
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| amalagon | hey eglynn! | 14:16 |
| eglynn | amalagon: hey! | 14:16 |
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| eglynn | amalagon: rescheduled 1:1 time? | 14:17 |
| amalagon | yes :) | 14:17 |
| amalagon | eglynn: sorry, going to restart irc client | 14:18 |
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| eglynn | DinaBelova: hey, sorry on a call earlier | 15:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mehdi Abaakouk proposed a change to stackforge/gnocchi: Add uniq constraint for resource/entity_name https://review.openstack.org/123395 | 16:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Mehdi Abaakouk proposed a change to stackforge/gnocchi: Add uniq constraint for resource/entity_name https://review.openstack.org/123395 | 16:03 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn, I just wanted to ask when the rc will be cut? I know that this week... but when exactly? | 16:34 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, I was travelling home, so did no notice your @pong@ :) | 16:35 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: Friday or Monday is my best estimate | 16:36 |
| DinaBelova | a-ha, I was just looking on the https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1372912 and wondering if it's worth to be merged in juno | 16:36 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: our release manager would prefer getting it done by end-of-week, but there's scope to bleed into Monday if necessary | 16:36 |
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| eglynn | DinaBelova: well, if there's a patch up by tmrw or Thursday, yep we could do | 16:37 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, it's there for a while | 16:37 |
| * DinaBelova does not see the link in the bug | 16:38 | |
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| DinaBelova | one moment | 16:38 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, here it is - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115290/ | 16:38 |
| DinaBelova | although I see check jobs behave strange now | 16:39 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn, Nadya and I have checked it to be sure it's really quick - so it is, and in future it'll be available to run real hbase tests in the gate, for instance | 16:40 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn, will you take a look on it as well? | 16:43 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: OK, that sounds reasonable ... I'll review also | 16:43 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, thanks! I know you're having busy days :) | 16:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Phil Neal proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: MNB-3431 Update collector dispatch to read whitelist of notification types https://review.openstack.org/123567 | 20:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Phil Neal proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: Update collector dispatch to read whitelist of notification types https://review.openstack.org/123567 | 20:02 |
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